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Movie was interesting but I'm not sure why it's being compared to Bond.  What do these movies have in common other than both main characters being a spy?

Like most Nolan movies, it's a great concept with tons of cool moments and great special effects that ends up being a bit convoluted, a bit too long, and drags at points.

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I’m interested in this premise of time inversion. Wouldn’t it have similar issues of paradox as standard time travel, in that if you are moving backwards through time and cause changes to the “present”, it would affect the “future” for those moving forward in time, possibly such that you don’t end up going into the inversion at all?

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I personally do not believe time travel to the past is possible. Maybe to the future, but not the past. The past is gone forever. 

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I personally do not believe time travel to the past is possible. Maybe to the future, but not the past. The past is gone forever. 
Not true. Its possible. I went back in time and slept with your mom 9 months before you were born. You don't think you got your looks from your dad, do you?

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4 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:
21 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:
I personally do not believe time travel to the past is possible. Maybe to the future, but not the past. The past is gone forever. 

Not true. Its possible. I went back in time and slept with your mom 9 months before you were born. You don't think you got your looks from your dad, do you?

Kinda random but ok. 
 

Quick question though. Did your mom ever visit a club in the arboretum called tangerines?

Just curious. 

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5 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I’m interested in this premise of time inversion. Wouldn’t it have similar issues of paradox as standard time travel, in that if you are moving backwards through time and cause changes to the “present”, it would affect the “future” for those moving forward in time, possibly such that you don’t end up going into the inversion at all?

this paradox is both present, and solved, in the same way as in basically all other time travel fiction .... that its a closed loop and the viewer learns that the present timeline has already had the actions of future time travelers already incorporated in it. 

 

e.g. the dinosaurs of our world actually died because some fuckwad in 2100 sent a nuclear bomb back 65 million years and nuked earth, thereby allowing small mammals to thrive and ushering the evolution of humans, who would develop a nuclear bomb and nuke the cretacious just for fun

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13 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

this paradox is both present, and solved, in the same way as in basically all other time travel fiction .... that its a closed loop and the viewer learns that the present timeline has already had the actions of future time travelers already incorporated in it. 

 

e.g. the dinosaurs of our world actually died because some fuckwad in 2100 sent a nuclear bomb back 65 million years and nuked earth, thereby allowing small mammals to thrive and ushering the evolution of humans, who would develop a nuclear bomb and nuke the cretacious just for fun

Yeah that doesn’t work for me. It invokes the idea of predestiny. Bill and Ted poked fun at this 30 years ago. 

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Looking forward to seeing this in the theatre this week.

Based on Surly reviews, I will need to watch it a couple of times by myself. So I can explain it to the wife.

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Holy SHIT that movie was bonkers! Haven’t read the thread but I think I loved it. I’m pretty sure that particular plot has never been done before.

I didn’t think Branagh could disappear into a character like that. Well done.

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Going to see a time travel movie and then complaining about time travel problems is, well, I have no sympathy.

That first scene was fucking badass. And yes it’s LOUD (I saw it at an AMC Dolby theater which are loud af). And the music really ratchets up the tension. I loved how the music would start to go backwards when some backwards shit was about to go down.

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On 9/11/2020 at 8:59 PM, Buzzrock said:

Do we think they left it open to a sequel?

Enough of an opening but I don't think this director is crass enough to do something that idiotic. (checks year...fuck)

The soundtrack is good. I noticed the out-of-kilter balance but they edit the sound for the tonality desired with butts in seats which affects dampening in a theater. Saw it tonight and there were three people in the theater including me. I liked it, but I like Nolan in general and Inception is one of my favorite movies of all time.

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Sound effects and sound editing will get nominated I suspect. Serious 10/10

That movie was fun as hell and I’m still confused. And I consider myself smart as balls.

Just like@neonmoon

Agree on watching again at home with subtitles.

Nolan is an auteur par exclennecees

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Zero sex. Just lots of confusing as hell top notch action and Denzel Jr doing Denzel Sr things

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embarrassing confession: i didn't 'get' Inception until the third viewing. but then i was like 'oh. WOW.'

Nolan makes fantastic films.

JD Washington sounds just like his dad. 

this is a theater movie and i miss movie theaters. 😕

 

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Loved it. 
 

just the two of us in an empty 4DX showing. Gimmicky as hell (4DX) but a fun roller coaster. Made the film fly by. 

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My car club voted to see this at a drive in theater tonight. I'm glad I went to see everyone and all they've done with their rides since the last time 6 months ago but this is not a movie you want to see in a drive in unless you're right in front of the screen and have a bad ass car audio system. Even then using FM frequency for audio makes it scratchy and garbled. And that place was fucking packed. 

Not to mention I was watching the final 8 min of the Stars game on my phone during the beginning of the movie so I was lost. Thing is I don't really feel the desire to see it again at all. After catching up by reading the parts I missed in the beginning the rest was just ok. 

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i think i liked the movie. i don't know. why you ask? because i couldn't hear or understand any of the dialogue.

apparently i wasn't the only one. kinda hard following a complex movie when you have no idea what anyone is saying.

https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/a33859053/tenet-sound-problems/#:~:text=One Warner Bros.,the overall idea was conveyed.

but i have a giant plot hole, maybe, question.

Spoiler

so, sator wants to bury the algorithm on the 14th so that the later generation can dig it up to release the entropy to kill the "grandfathers". in the original timeline, it worked. michael cane's character told the protagonist about it days later.

so the final battle is raiding of the soviet city to prevent the bomb going off and burying the algorithm.

so here's the question. why need the battle? why can't they just come back a few weeks, years, decades later and dig up the algorithm, just like the later generation plans to do. dig it up with no drama, and then dispose of it again?

that seems a hell of a lot easier than trying to stop what already happened once.

and!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spoiler

why can't the later generation just have someone else go back through time and win the battle in that russian city against the protagonist.

it'll be like terminators in perpetuity.

 

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i think i liked the movie. i don't know. why you ask? because i couldn't hear or understand any of the dialogue.

I was asking for subtitles throughout

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There are plot holes in every time travel movie. At least this one is more interesting because you can’t just jump in a Delorean and go somewhere in time. You have to travel there backwards.

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I've seen a lot of reviews say the dialogue was hard to understand.  I saw it at a drive through and could understand everything fine.  I think being able to turn up the volume for dialogue and then turn it back down for the action and score heavy scenes helped a lot.

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On 9/21/2020 at 8:47 PM, Buzzrock said:

There are plot holes in every time travel movie. At least this one is more interesting because you can’t just jump in a Delorean and go somewhere in time. You have to travel there backwards.

 

Except unlike the Delorean movie, nobody will be talking about Tenet still 35 years later.  

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On 9/21/2020 at 11:26 PM, crash_davis said:

i think i liked the movie. i don't know. why you ask? because i couldn't hear or understand any of the dialogue.

apparently i wasn't the only one. kinda hard following a complex movie when you have no idea what anyone is saying.

https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/a33859053/tenet-sound-problems/#:~:text=One Warner Bros.,the overall idea was conveyed.

but i have a giant plot hole, maybe, question.

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so, sator wants to bury the algorithm on the 14th so that the later generation can dig it up to release the entropy to kill the "grandfathers". in the original timeline, it worked. michael cane's character told the protagonist about it days later.

so the final battle is raiding of the soviet city to prevent the bomb going off and burying the algorithm.

so here's the question. why need the battle? why can't they just come back a few weeks, years, decades later and dig up the algorithm, just like the later generation plans to do. dig it up with no drama, and then dispose of it again?

that seems a hell of a lot easier than trying to stop what already happened once.

Spoiler

I only saw it once, but as far as I remember, in the "original timeline" the bomb did not go off.  what michael cane told him exploded was not the megabomb, it was the explosions as part of the battle (that protagonist would later take part in, when he goes back in time). 

hence, theyre not trying to go back in time to stop what already happened.  they , unknowingly, are already fate-bound to go back in time to do what has already happened.  hence the closed loop paradox.

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why can't the later generation just have someone else go back through time and win the battle in that russian city against the protagonist.

it'll be like terminators in perpetuity.

 

 

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On 9/21/2020 at 10:47 PM, WBT said:

I've seen a lot of reviews say the dialogue was hard to understand.  I saw it at a drive through and could understand everything fine.  I think being able to turn up the volume for dialogue and then turn it back down for the action and score heavy scenes helped a lot.

A drive through movie? That's a pretty novel concept, but I'm not sure it will take off. Heck, people get pissed when you order food at the Sonic drive through, much less try and watch a movie.

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9 hours ago, Tom said:

 

Except unlike the Delorean movie, nobody will be talking about Tenet still 35 years later.  

i mean, besides the fact that most of his stuff will be added to criterion collection...

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5 hours ago, 52-80 said:

 

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downloaded the subtitles and read some of the movie.

the plan is for sator to bury the algorithm at the hypo center at Stalsk 12 on the 14th so that the later generations can find it and kill their grandfathers by unleashing the entropy algorithm bomb. he does that, or at least thinks that he does that, on the day that the movie opens in Kiev which is the same day that the movie ends. so basically he never succeeded in burying the algorithm because future (by weeks) protagonist and team prevented the algorithm from being buried by being inverted in going back in the past? so this begs the question if the entire movie with sator happens in the past since sator would've died on the 14th since she shot him on the boat?

also there would have been at least 2 protagonist in this reality on that exact day the 14th, the protagonists at the beginning of the movie in kiev and the protagonist at the end of the movie in Stalsk 12. so what happens to the protagonist in the kiev timeline?

and i was thinking that sator had already buried the algorithm in the original timeline at the beginning of the movie. i was thinking he buried it and they all continued to live, then why just not dig the shit up later. but apparently sator was not able to bury the algorithm. would the world have ended that exact day if sator had buried the algo? if not, then my question applies, why have the end of movie battle? why not just dig the shit up later as the later gen was going to do?

 

 

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also....this one really confuses me.

Spoiler

you can't technically magically time travel in this movie. you have to live through the time travel inverted. you experience the inverted time travel just as you would as if you were living non-inverted, meaning that you age. you have to earn each day you go back in time. 

with that said, i didnt' read this part yet but did the future gen expect to use the entropy bomb in the original timeline, meaning during sometime or close to when the movie happens? if so, the would mean future someones would have to invert (live out) decades to travel back to in time to kill their grandfathers. i guess that's feasible but that is a long as time to live inverted. OR did they denote the bomb in their timeline but it only affected their grandfathers time?

 

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35 minutes ago, crash_davis said:
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downloaded the subtitles and read some of the movie.

the plan is for sator to bury the algorithm at the hypo center at Stalsk 12 on the 14th so that the later generations can find it and kill their grandfathers by unleashing the entropy algorithm bomb. he does that, or at least thinks that he does that, on the day that the movie opens in Kiev which is the same day that the movie ends. so basically he never succeeded in burying the algorithm because future (by weeks) protagonist and team prevented the algorithm from being buried by being inverted in going back in the past? so this begs the question if the entire movie with sator happens in the past since sator would've died on the 14th since she shot him on the boat?

also there would have been at least 2 protagonist in this reality on that exact day the 14th, the protagonists at the beginning of the movie in kiev and the protagonist at the end of the movie in Stalsk 12. so what happens to the protagonist in the kiev timeline?

and i was thinking that sator had already buried the algorithm in the original timeline at the beginning of the movie. i was thinking he buried it and they all continued to live, then why just not dig the shit up later. but apparently sator was not able to bury the algorithm. would the world have ended that exact day if sator had buried the algo? if not, then my question applies, why have the end of movie battle? why not just dig the shit up later as the later gen was going to do?

 

 

Spoiler

when you go through the inversion machine there would be +1 version of you existing simultaneously.  yes there are multiple protagonists.  each one , if you assume kiev as a starting point, would essentially go through life the way you view the movie:  kiev, gets recruited into tenet, does all the wild shit, kills priya to save young max, and implied perpetual loop of: [train max to found tenet, max goes in time and saves the next protagonist in kiev, etc]

 

from max's perspective, he saves protagonist at kiev, plays along with protagonist as protagonist "learns" about tenet, goes on the wild adventure, after the battle [3 guys with 3 algorithms] he inverts back in time to give up his life to save protagonist.  that's why he shows throughout the movie that he knows more than he lets on.

basically, theyre all stuck in a loop

 

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