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A radical position? You mean the stuff that doesn’t get done because that’s not how stuff works or the stuff that does get done and doesn’t make a difference?
[mention=51]Captainant[/mention] what you and the fanbois don’t seem to understand is that most of what Mamdani’s has proposed with housing policy is just repackaged baby boomer progressive orthodoxy, a mix of obstruction through stakeholder input, wishful thinking, and symbolic action. 
 
Explain please, how is more of the same radical? Other than how he talks and presents himself?

He has a funny ay-rab mooslem name. Don’t get no more radical than that.
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Lol, the sister of the Times’ Nazi source posts on Blue Sky and is dropping family lore:

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These are the types of people Times political editors and reporters think are sophisticated intellectuals. That’s the type of people the Times, WaPo, and other mainstream media institutions hire now to cover politics because their executives think the left went insane in 2020 with the BLM marches.

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11 hours ago, Captainant said:

Yes yes, anyone staking a radical position is just as lame as the mainstream. I'm familiar with the play you're running from Bernie

What are you talking about? His platform is lock stock and barrel the progressive position that has dominated NYC, SF, DC and LA since like the 70’s. As is the rest of his platform, just glossed up on Tik Tok  

Edit: Bozo said it better. 

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21 hours ago, We’reTexas said:

Think “build the wall and make Mexico pay for it” but make it leftist housing policy. 

The first is a shitty fucking goal and the second -- affordable housing --is a good goal.

The first reflects a warped mind and the second a lofty goal.

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On 7/4/2025 at 8:19 AM, Captainant said:

Unless you're prosecuting a trumpist lmfao. How the fuck could you type that sentence on July 4, 2025 with a straight face

Um, that whole 4th Amendment thing?

Speaking in this case about the checkered origin of the truth.

And, again, had the procedures had the time to spin out, he'd be convicted on more than 34 counts.

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43 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

The first is a shitty fucking goal and the second -- affordable housing --is a good goal.

The first reflects a warped mind and the second a lofty goal.

What I am trying to explain is that both approaches are so utterly divorced from reality that they deserve ridicule.

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My main concern is that the Lasker information is, apparently, true.

So, that's a bit of a problem for Mamdani.

A separate issue is NYT reporting it while calling Lasker an academic opposed to affirmative action.  While that is literally true, it's a pretty horrendous minimization of him.

Some other fun tidbits.  Lasker is a PhD candidate at Tceh, but that is one well-hidden fact. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-l-b84457304?trk=people-guest_people_search-card

He's also speaking at a "Natalist" conference held on the UT campus at the ATT Conference Center.  ATT apparently is just a hotel that anyone can book for just about anything but geezus.  "Natalists" are white supremacist eugenicists.

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7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

a problem for Mamdani.

People want affordability. Nobody cared that he opposes Israel's genocide, and they won't care how he filled out an online form when he was 17

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The stupid in this thread is astounding. New York City is the most expensive city in the United States by a long shot and one of the most expensive in the world. Affordability is an issue for everyone except perhaps the top 1% (you now have to make a million or more a year to be in the top 1%). 
 

And the NYT is very much in the fuxking wrong on this. They are running hit pieces to help Cuomo, a guy who fucking hates NYC. 

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22 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

The stupid in this thread is astounding. New York City is the most expensive city in the United States by a long shot and one of the most expensive in the world. Affordability is an issue for everyone except perhaps the top 1% (you now have to make a million or more a year to be in the top 1%). 
 

And the NYT is very much in the fuxking wrong on this. They are running hit pieces to help Cuomo, a guy who fucking hates NYC. 

Thank you for the negs. My criticism of Mondami has nothing to do with New York City specifically. I live in a city equally as expensive and have been involved in housing advocacy for a decade. As we are both from Houston, I find your hostility confusing. Might you explain how the housing economics of NYC does not comport with the rest of America?

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46 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

People want affordability. Nobody cared that he opposes Israel's genocide, and they won't care how he filled out an online form when he was 17

I'm not touching on the merits or demerits of Zohran Mamdani.  Just that this is a bit of an issue.  Bit doing some heavy lifting.

It's intriguing to me for a couple of reasons.  While I am now fully of the mind that programs that advantage minorities are justified, affirmative action in the employment and education admissions contexts have often troubled me, because it comes closer to a zero-sum game than most other contexts.  And when you get to problematic attempts to "game the system" (if in fact that's what this is, you can have an interesting argument on that point alone) like this, the problem is underscored.

The other thing here is suppressing factual information because it is a) disadvantageous and b) comes from an extremely distasteful source is extremely problematic.  Another sticky wicket in the First Amendment/Free Expression argument.  Although I submit it's not really a sticky wicket at all.  To the extent truthiness can be determined, let it out.

So, I can't disagree with NYTs decision to report this, but how they reported it may be a different matter.  Funny thing, this factual reporting but with a tinge or spin on some related or background issue is what conservatards point to as lying in the media, while conservative media abandons fact altogether.

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

suppressing factual information

Yes it's horrible to see this "factual information" suppressed by getting published in the most widely circulated newspaper in the nation.

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2 hours ago, We’reTexas said:

What I am trying to explain is that both approaches are so utterly divorced from reality that they deserve ridicule.

Doesn’t matter democrats wouldn’t know how to effectively promote affordable housing. They’d just go into policy detail no one gives a fuck about. 

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6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Doesn’t matter democrats wouldn’t know how to effectively promote affordable housing. They’d just go into policy detail no one gives a fuck about. 

Loop Trump GIF
 

 

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4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

My main concern is that the Lasker information is, apparently, true.

So, that's a bit of a problem for Mamdani.

A separate issue is NYT reporting it while calling Lasker an academic opposed to affirmative action.  While that is literally true, it's a pretty horrendous minimization of him.

Some other fun tidbits.  Lasker is a PhD candidate at Tceh, but that is one well-hidden fact. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-l-b84457304?trk=people-guest_people_search-card

He's also speaking at a "Natalist" conference held on the UT campus at the ATT Conference Center.  ATT apparently is just a hotel that anyone can book for just about anything but geezus.  "Natalists" are white supremacist eugenicists.

Apparently Austin is a hub for the Natalist movement:

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  1. December 2023 — The inaugural “NatalCon” was held at the LINE Hotel downtown, marking the first such event in Austin kut.org+10reportingtexas.com+10theguardian.com+10.

  2. March 28–29, 2025 — The second iteration took place at UT Austin’s AT&T Conference Center and the Bob Bullock Texas History Museum natalism.org+5theguardian.com+5kut.org+5.

 

I'd have to imagine they would pay the Bullock to hold it there. but then I am sure they have some deep pockets behind them to rent such places to give them the appearance of being more established than they are.  Bullock's gotta be turning over in his grave, right?

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6 hours ago, We’reTexas said:

Thank you for the negs. My criticism of Mondami has nothing to do with New York City specifically. I live in a city equally as expensive and have been involved in housing advocacy for a decade. As we are both from Houston, I find your hostility confusing. Might you explain how the housing economics of NYC does not comport with the rest of America?

First, I am not from Houston. I lived there for 12 years, but not from there.

Second, there is no city in the US that is equally as expensive as NYC, and I'm not talking just cost of rent/cost to buy. 

Mamdani (spell his name right) has ideas, and some might not work, but he and Brad Lander were the only two who had specific plans to address affordability. 

Housing economics in NYC are a hell of a lot more complex than any other city I've lived in in the US and that includes Austin, LA, New Orleans, and Houston. 

But since you don't live here, take your hatred and hostility of Mamdani and stick up your ass.

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9 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Um, that whole 4th Amendment thing?

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The 4th amendment that has protecting due process for all people? That thing that is being shredded as we speak by Roberts and the very fine supreme court?

It truly is breathtaking how happily and readily you apply different standards to fascists and those who stand against them. 

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9 hours ago, chainsaw said:

Yes it's horrible to see this "factual information" suppressed by getting published in the most widely circulated newspaper in the nation.

Right it hasn't been suppressed.  But that seems to be what people are arguing for?  It came from a piece of shit so it should be ignored despite its truth.

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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

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The 4th amendment that has protecting due process for all people? That thing that is being shredded as we speak by Roberts and the very fine supreme court?

It truly is breathtaking how happily and readily you apply different standards to fascists and those who stand against them. 

Geezus Christ.

We're talking about a specific instance of bad facts from a bad source.  Generalizing, the 4th Amendment in a criminal case is one of the few instances where we concern ourselves with the source of facts and will suppress them when the source or process that led to their discovery is tainted.

We're not talking about court generally, or fascists generally, just Jordan Lasker. We're talking about facts and whether and how they should be used when they come from a tainted source.

You will find any fucking excuse to twist what I say into support for fascists.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

We're not talking about court generally, or fascists generally, just Jordan Lasker. We're talking about facts and whether and how they should be used when they come from a tainted source.

You will find any fucking excuse to twist what I say into support for fascists.

More just hopeful that one day you'll realize your analytical legal mind is getting led around by the nose by the fascists. Their entire game is to turn shields into swords and disseminate disinformation, and you only ever seem to tut-tut the forces working against that, for fear of being "just as bad as the fascists". 

How about you start paying attention to outcomes instead of procedure? I know that the fascists are hoping we all just stop worrying about outcomes and just get twisted over complying with bullshit rules of decorum and evidence that they're planning to break anyways. 

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16 minutes ago, Captainant said:

More just hopeful that one day you'll realize your analytical legal mind is getting led around by the nose by the fascists. Their entire game is to turn shields into swords and disseminate disinformation, and you only ever seem to tut-tut the forces working against that, for fear of being "just as bad as the fascists". 

How about you start paying attention to outcomes instead of procedure? I know that the fascists are hoping we all just stop worrying about outcomes and just get twisted over complying with bullshit rules of decorum and evidence that they're planning to break anyways. 

I am paying attention to outcomes.  The truth is out about Mamdani and his unfortunate, but probably not uncommon privileged gaming of affirmative action.

That's really the end of the story on that topic.

The other topic is NYT's ethics in taking information from a piece of shit like Jordan Lasker, which is unfortunate, but actually tut tutting.

Also ironic that you would pick this particular subtopic to talk about outcomes versus processes.

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Who gives a shit about the right or the wrong of the story, whether it matters, affirmative action, the NYT's fascist platforming (it sucks, but this won't be the last time)?

It the story hurting him? Does it look like it will linger and give Adams an opening to retain power? How is Mamdani handling it? Is he pivoting, ignoring, or (stupidly) taking the bait in every appearance?

Politics isn't right or wrong, it's bloodsport. The conversation y'all are having is a nice one in a journalism ethics classroom, keeping in mind the lessons learned there will be chucked out the window for clicks and views at the first opportunity.

I saw a story where David Patterson is comparing ZM to Trump in terms of enthusiasm and certain aspects of speaking style. In other words, this may be your new Dem model in the "circus is everything" style of campaigning. 

There will be other little scandals (yes, this is a tiny one). Pols are humans whose every choice is put under a microscope. We generally fuck up now and then. The real story is whether this guy can show the way for progressives in terms of style and managing the media in the most intense local media market.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Right it hasn't been suppressed.  But that seems to be what people are arguing for?  It came from a piece of shit so it should be ignored despite its truth.

Are you talking about hacked personal information?

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He selected a field that said "Black or African American" because he was born in and grew up in Africa. He also selected "Asian" because his parents are Indian. What is the scandal here? Are we going to chastise every white Moroccan and Egyptian who checked the same box? White Afrikaaners?

The box did not say "Black AND African American" did it? So this is not even a nothingburger. It's not even a concept of a nothingburger. It's transparent favoritism from a right wing rag masquerading as liberal media.

 

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On 7/3/2025 at 10:34 PM, wildcat09 said:

Mamdani is both Asian and was literally born in Uganda. Checking two accurate boxes on a college application isn’t doing anything wrong and it’s not fucking newsworthy. The fact that the Times is taking assignments from Nazis and giving the Nazis anonymity should be a much bigger story.

I'm late to this and didn't read everything since. Perfectly made point.

If even the appearance of maybe telling a lie is newsworthy, why don't we see a single headline saying Trump Lies About Immigrant as Criminals?

Trump Lies About Biden.

Trump Lies About Project 2025.

Trump Takes Monster Bribe from Saudis/Qatar.

Trump Extorts Money from Law Firms. 

Opinion piece: Does Trump Encourage Terrorism by Public Threat?

Here's another headline:

Cowardly, Template-driven Gray Lady Spreads Legs 

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9 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I'm late to this and didn't read everything since. Perfectly made point.

If even the appearance of maybe telling a lie is newsworthy, why don't we see a single headline saying Trump Lies About Immigrant as Criminals?

Trump Lies About Biden.

Trump Lies About Project 2025.

Trump Takes Monster Bribe from Saudis/Qatar.

Trump Extorts Money from Law Firms. 

Opinion piece: Does Trump Encourage Terrorism by Public Threat?

Here's another headline:

Cowardly, Template-driven Gray Lady Spreads Legs 

Well that election is already over.

The NYC mayoral election is still underway and Mamdani is the only candidate on the ballot with a problematic past.

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13 hours ago, We’reTexas said:

What I am trying to explain is that both approaches are so utterly divorced from reality that they deserve ridicule.

Building a border wall is not divorced from reality. The lie is in the assertion that the Mexicans will pay for it. Creating affordable housing is not divorced from reality. Many wealthy communites support it or create it so workers can live near their jobs. 

The wall is an idiotic scheme to support the lie that our borders are being flooded by rapers and murderers. Affordable housing is a low moral bar for a wealthy society, such as ours, to attempt clearing.

3 hours ago, Captainant said:

It truly is breathtaking how happily and readily you apply different standards to fascists and those who stand against them. 

Wow. Do you really have to belive that to disagree with someone?

Your dire outlook as been validated by time. Release some of the vitriol from that earlier time, my friend.

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6 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Well that election is already over.

The NYC mayoral election is still underway and Mamdani is the only candidate on the ballot with a problematic past.

He still lies about all of those things. Here, I'll make it easier and switch to past perfect:

Why didn't we see...

I didn't suppose anyone would believe that I was not suggesting that this is a pattern. 

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13 hours ago, We’reTexas said:

What I am trying to explain is that both approaches are so utterly divorced from reality that they deserve ridicule.

Explain all you want, but I'm focused on his "approach" and not "likelihood of policy success".  His likelihood of policy success is very dependent on changes in Albany.  You might think that the policies are ridiculous, but the approach is what is critical to me in deciding whether I, a Dallasite, is comfortable with the national press coverage of NYC race.  

 

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I don't think Mamdani did anything wrong and I like and support the guy. 

But there will be no reflection from the far left as they fend off attacks they would (and will) absolutely use on Buttigieg and other younger Dem politicians. This is the first time DSA people have felt the wrath of oppo research with an up and comer candidate. Zohran is a much bigger deal than when AOC was running back in the day. 

 

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9 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

His likelihood of policy success is very dependent on changes in Albany. 

My favorite part about Mamdani's campaign is that it is based on building coalitions of voters, not politicians or blocs. He will have a massive base of supporters to mobilize (not unlike the base Trump built in 2016) to bully and intimidate the people who stand in the way of Mamdani delivering what he promised. This hasn't been seen from the Left since FDR (arguably LBJ). Mamdani has spent enough time in Albany to understand who the enemies will be and how to overcome them. I'm going to watch his first moves in office with great interest.

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17 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

The first is a shitty fucking goal and the second -- affordable housing --is a good goal.

The first reflects a warped mind and the second a lofty goal.

The problem with the whole package (and we experienced this exact thing in Austin with the very similar Kathie Tovo-Ora Houston affordability approach) is that it:

1) treats affordability as a bottoms up problem rather than a middle out problem, and 

2) doesn’t produce affordability 

It’s kind of the problem with ideology politics in general- voting for for how candidates talk about  things rather than the probability that they will achieve things. 

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16 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

The stupid in this thread is astounding. New York City is the most expensive city in the United States by a long shot and one of the most expensive in the world. Affordability is an issue for everyone except perhaps the top 1% (you now have to make a million or more a year to be in the top 1%). 

Indeed, but my problem with Mamdani is that despite the fact that he is the best bad option, his approach to affordability won’t produce affordability.

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54 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

It’s kind of the problem with ideology politics in general- voting for for how candidates talk about  things rather than the probability that they will achieve things. 

And if someone else runs against him who can better achieve reasonable goals I would not begrudge the NYC voters for voting for that person.

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1 hour ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

And if someone else runs against him who can better achieve reasonable goals I would not begrudge the NYC voters for voting for that person.

Cuomo is probably capable of achieving far more, but has disqualified himself and also wouldn’t achieve much for other reasons. 
So either way, incumbents and old people win, and kids get fucked. Mamdani is left as a default, as a fuck you to the Democratic party establishment.



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