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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Actually, I think the framework is pretty good.  The drafting is often poor and the itemization of powers, particularly Article II, needs reworking.

The framework would be a whole lot better if Republicans would actually follow the laws and stop ignoring them. They treat it the same way modern Christians treat the Bible, they revere and worship it as a holy document ordained by god, but when it comes to actually reading and understanding how it works, they pick and choose the parts they like and ignore the parts that don't support their mission. It's a wholly self-serving ideology completely unrestrained by any moral or ethical principles. Anything can be justified by their interpretation of the ancient words, so long as they ignore details, context and historical precedents, which they enthusiastically do to their own benefit and convenience. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Actually, I think the framework is pretty good.  The drafting is often poor and the itemization of powers, particularly Article II, needs reworking.

The framework sucks ass, actually. There's a reason literally no people who formed democracies after us copied it. The only really good part about the Constitution is the 1st Amendment as it begun being interpreted in the 20th century, though more recent judicial interpretations have sort of fucked that up somewhat.

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42 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

What the Democratic Party needs to do is emphasize how absurd a billion dollars is.  I think most people just group all "rich" together and have no reference point to the disparity in levels of wealth between their boss's boss at work and a true, legit billionaire.

For example: If a baby was born the morning of the Seinfeld series finale and was given $100,000 (more money than the majority of Americans will ever see in a year and almost double the average annual salary in America) EVERY.SINGLE.DAY of his life and never spent a penny, he still would not be a billionaire.  These are the people that the Republicans are protecting and giving tax cuts to.

Once you put it in normal people terms, then you might start converting folks.

Yeah, I mean, I understand a billionaire being 3 orders of magnitude more wealthy than a millionaire is a fuckton, but I am used to thinking in those terms.  Proportionally, having a billion dollars compared to a million dollars is as having a million dollars is to having a thousand dollars. Once you get past 7 or 8 zeroes, it's just past what the average human can really fathom.  It's like trying to comprehend galactic-scale space or time.

I see a lot of jealousy of people at the next one or two orders of magnitude.  Meaning, someone who has a 5 figure net worth looking at the people around them with a 6 figure net worth and thinking those are the people that are holding them down.  When in reality, the people with <5, 5, 6 and 7 figure net worth are all in the same boat that the people with 9 and 10 figure net worths are shaking (down).  The people with the 8 figure net worth are in a sweet spot hoping no one notices them.

Also, Democrats standing up to Republicans by fleeing is pretty damn funny.  I know this happens from time to time in Texas, but in today's political context, it cracks me up.

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1 hour ago, Goredho said:

Yeah, I mean, I understand a billionaire being 3 orders of magnitude more wealthy than a millionaire is a fuckton, but I am used to thinking in those terms.  Proportionally, having a billion dollars compared to a million dollars is as having a million dollars is to having a thousand dollars. Once you get past 7 or 8 zeroes, it's just past what the average human can really fathom.  It's like trying to comprehend galactic-scale space or time.

I see a lot of jealousy of people at the next one or two orders of magnitude.  Meaning, someone who has a 5 figure net worth looking at the people around them with a 6 figure net worth and thinking those are the people that are holding them down.  When in reality, the people with <5, 5, 6 and 7 figure net worth are all in the same boat that the people with 9 and 10 figure net worths are shaking (down).  The people with the 8 figure net worth are in a sweet spot hoping no one notices them.

Also, Democrats standing up to Republicans by fleeing is pretty damn funny.  I know this happens from time to time in Texas, but in today's political context, it cracks me up.

It's hard to villainize billionaires because almost nobody has ever encountered one. People see brown and gay people all the time.

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5 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

What the Democratic Party needs to do is emphasize how absurd a billion dollars is.  I think most people just group all "rich" together and have no reference point to the disparity in levels of wealth between their boss's boss at work and a true, legit billionaire.

For example: If a baby was born the morning of the Seinfeld series finale and was given $100,000 (more money than the majority of Americans will ever see in a year and almost double the average annual salary in America) EVERY.SINGLE.DAY of his life and never spent a penny, he still would not be a billionaire.  These are the people that the Republicans are protecting and giving tax cuts to.

Once you put it in normal people terms, then you might start converting folks.

Most Republican voters don’t know shit about economics. They readily vote against their own interests and it’s not because “I’ll pay more if it means owning the libs.” No, it’s because they all too readily believe improbable claims from questionable sources based on insufficient information.

Everything they say they believe” about economics? They don’t actually believe it, but they’ve definitely been told to believe it by people who have a skin in the game. Trickle down economics is bullshit, tariffing the shit out of everything is bullshit, the stories they tell about “military spending is what got us out of the Great Depression” is bullshit, the idea that we need to pull crumbs away from the poors in order to save the economy is bullshit, and “taxation is theft” is utter, complete and unforgivable bullshit.

Bottom line, if you voted for Trump because he’s a “successful businessman,” even his record clearly shows he’s not, and that “he’s better for the economy” when he was steering it towards a major recession (if not depression) in his first term before the pandemic gave him cover, you are by definition a low information voter.

Explaining to them the magnitude of a billion dollars is not going to change that because most of them wouldn’t even get it and the rest are too emotionally invested in this idea that politics is a team sport and “but muh red team.”

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8 hours ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

It's hard to villainize billionaires because almost nobody has ever encountered one. People see brown and gay people all the time.

That must mean it's hard to villainize politicians.

Wait.



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