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1 hour ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

I don't know this guy, but he screams New England and he calls out billionaires. Fuck it

 

 

I like this guy. This is what I mean about being centrist but not moderate, as in strong positions about shit that matters for a majority in a way that resonates with them. 

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25 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I like this guy. This is what I mean about being centrist but not moderate, as in strong positions about shit that matters for a majority in a way that resonates with them. 

Haven't delved in, what makes him centrist though

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19 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Haven't delved in, what makes him centrist though

the center is pissed, the center wants cheaper housing and universal healthcare and wants to actually do big things, not lose elections over a handful of special interest group purity tests. 

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13 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

not lose elections over a handful of special interest group purity tests. 

Interesting, perhaps you should elaborate. Which special interests would cause Democrats to lose elections? Do you have data to back this up?

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20 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Interesting, perhaps you should elaborate. Which special interests would cause Democrats to lose elections? Do you have data to back this up?

Are you not familiar with “The Groups”?

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4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

the center is pissed, the center wants cheaper housing and universal healthcare and wants to actually do big things, not lose elections over a handful of special interest group purity tests. 

Centrist politicians aren't going to get you universal healthcare.

 

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2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Centrist politicians aren't going to get you universal healthcare.

 

Fuck that. No. Those are *moderate* politicians.
Universal healthcare IS the goddamn center, and if they won’t fight for stuff that 60+ percent of the voting population wants, they aren’t *centrist* politicians in 2025. 
STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN LINGUISTIC FRAMES

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42 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Fuck that. No. Those are *moderate* politicians.
Universal healthcare IS the goddamn center, and if they won’t fight for stuff that 60+ percent of the voting population wants, they aren’t *centrist* politicians in 2025. 
STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN LINGUISTIC FRAMES

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

My guy, the majority electoral position in the country - the """MIDDLE""" - chose trump. Recalibrate your enthusiasm 

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45 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Fuck that. No. Those are *moderate* politicians.
Universal healthcare IS the goddamn center, and if they won’t fight for stuff that 60+ percent of the voting population wants, they aren’t *centrist* politicians in 2025. 
STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN LINGUISTIC FRAMES

That is some mighty fine dancing.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
My guy, the majority electoral position in the country - the """MIDDLE""" - chose trump. Recalibrate your enthusiasm 

You’re right. But here’s the thing: Bozo also isn’t wrong. A huge chunk of Trump voters actually favor universal healthcare. They just vote against their interests and actual policy preferences because they are idiots, shitty people, etc…and because the Dems can’t communicate for shit.
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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


You’re right. But here’s the thing: Bozo also isn’t wrong. A huge chunk of Trump voters actually favor universal healthcare. They just vote against their interests and actual policy preferences because they are idiots, shitty people, etc…and because the Dems can’t communicate for shit.

They favor free healthcare for them and people like them. Not universal healthcare. And they'd rather have the shitty system we have now than people not like them also get free healthcare

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11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


You’re right. But here’s the thing: Bozo also isn’t wrong. A huge chunk of Trump voters actually favor universal healthcare. They just vote against their interests and actual policy preferences because they are idiots, shitty people, etc…and because the Dems can’t communicate for shit.

You know as well as I do that even if the Democrats could communicate for shit, those folks still wouldn't vote for them.

7 minutes ago, safe sex said:

They favor free healthcare for them and people like them. Not universal healthcare. And they'd rather have the shitty system we have now than people not like them also get free healthcare

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19 minutes ago, safe sex said:

They favor free healthcare for them and people like them. Not universal healthcare. And they'd rather have the shitty system we have now than people not like them also get free healthcare

No, don’t be silly. It’s not like they were ever offered that choice. They wanted a public option. When they were sold one they bought it. Twice. It was just never delivered. 
STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN FRAMING.

 

43 minutes ago, Captainant said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

My guy, the majority electoral position in the country - the """MIDDLE""" - chose trump. 


Don’t be silly- the majority chose rejection of the status quo. Just as they did in 1976, 1980, 1992, 1994, 2000, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022 & 2024

STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN FRAMING. 

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20 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No, don’t be silly. It’s not like they were ever offered that choice. They wanted a public option. When they were sold one they bought it. Twice. It was just never delivered. 
STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN FRAMING.

 


Don’t be silly- the majority chose rejection of the status quo. Just as they did in 1976, 1980, 1992, 1994, 2000, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022 & 2024

STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN FRAMING. 

By the time the bolded period came around, establishment Dems had become circa 70s/80s Republicans. It isn't just messaging hurting the party. Too many older Dems lacking the willingness to make a dramatic left turn on economic policy still hanging around. Just another reason I don't see a course correction in our future absent a major shock to the system. Something bigger than Covid.

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By the time the bolded period came around, establishment Dems had become circa 70s/80s Republicans. It isn't just messaging hurting the party. Too many older Dems lacking the willingness to make a dramatic left turn on economic policy still hanging around. Just another reason I don't see a course correction in our future absent a major shock to the system. Something bigger than Covid.

End of the Republic should do it. Problem is, there won’t be a republic to win elections in anymore, so it won’t matter.
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I don’t see how anyone can defend the  Democratic Party and its leadership decisions in 2025. Absolutely pathetic and bozo is right here. The right messaging will get you votes. Dems fucking suck at messaging and new age media. It’s pathetic how divided the party is because of all the branches of identity politics within it. And you you don’t fully buy into them they just negatively portray you and call you names. Meanwhile their opposition is more welcoming regardless of their policy. 

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4 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 And you you don’t fully buy into them they just negatively portray you and call you names. Meanwhile their opposition is more welcoming regardless of their policy. 

Again, is this really true? As an adult I don't think I've ever seen Dems actually in power, and when they """have""" it hasn't been Dems road blocking legislative efforts, or playing identity politics games.

Tbh, it feels like you and bozo are internalizing and evangelizing the MAGA framing and messaging by just "many people are saying Dems bad" as your whole commentary. 

 

It's not rank and file, it's the fish rotting from the head. It's not AOC or Mamdani being divisive or playing identity politics, but that's certainly how fox frames it to get the uncritical chuds onboard. And then the dem leadership is more than happy to tow that line for MAGA like a good controlled opposition does, because they're scared of letting go of their free insider trading meal ticket

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7 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No, don’t be silly. It’s not like they were ever offered that choice. They wanted a public option. When they were sold one they bought it. Twice. It was just never delivered. 
STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN FRAMING.

 


Don’t be silly- the majority chose rejection of the status quo. Just as they did in 1976, 1980, 1992, 1994, 2000, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022 & 2024

STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN FRAMING. 

Stop being dumbass. 

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8 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN FRAMING.

You support Cuomo over Mamdani. You think being anti-Israel is a losing position. You think open support of LGBT people is a losing position. We're not the ones internalizing Republican framing, buddy. Turn that mirror around. You're completely captured by internalized MAGA framing and you don't even realize it.

You still haven't provided that data I asked for.

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47 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Stop being dumbass. 

The name is Dumas. And the American people want Universal Healthcare to the tune of 60-65% and have voted for it twice when it was at the center of Presidential campaigns. 

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6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The name is Dumas. And the American people want Universal Healthcare to the tune of 60-65% and have voted for it twice when it was at the center of Presidential campaigns. 

And then what happened?

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35 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

You support Cuomo over Mamdani

That’s false. I support Mamdani because he’s the best of the bad options. I’m just not excited about him, and I expect more of the same when he’s mayor. He’s DeBlasio Light. 

 

36 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

You think being anti-Israel is a losing position.

I think being anti-genocide is a majoritarian, centrist position, not to mention a moral imperative. 

I think being “Anti-Israel”  is politically marginal and costly. 
 

38 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

You think open support of LGBT people is a losing position.

That’s categorically false. That said, social equality is NOT a substitute for class solidarity when it comes to holding the Democratic voting coalition together.  
 

39 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

You still haven't provided that data I asked for.

Thats why I asked you if you knew what I was referring to with “The Groups.”
 

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13 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

And then what happened?

Well in Clinton’s case, the plan was clunky and they put the most inept and tone-deaf person in the administration in charge of running it through the system, and then they lost their nerve. 
In Obama’s case, they stupidly tried to pass cap and trade first, then allowed the Senate to come up with their own plan, then Max Baucus got okey-doked by Charles Grassley, they lost legislative momentum, and then they lost their nerve when the bullets started flying and backed off. 
A majority of the American people have been supportive of Universal Healthcare for decades. Republicans have just brainfucked progressives into thinking otherwise. 

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