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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  Stop overthinking it.  The most important voting demographic is stupid people.  They respond to short, soundbite lies that make them feel good.  So, tell more of those than the opposition, and you will win.  Everything else is intellectual claptrap that won't even budge the needle.

Tell more and better lies, and saturate every medium with them.  And win.

Worth adding that the right doesn't just sell feel-good rhetoric ("you are going to be so rich") but they really mostly sell fear-mongering, hate, and blame and appealing to our basal emotions.     

 

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39 minutes ago, softlynow said:

The problem with this is the media will HAMMER Dem lies. Just demolish the liars. Because Dems are pussies and will wilt at the slightest hint of concerted media pushback, and the media knows this.

There is no strategy. All the monied segments of this country have pushed their chips in on Trumpism now. 

When the media does call you out, deny.  Call the media liars when they call you out.  

The script is there.  It's as simple as it gets.  Only a fool would fail to run the plays that are proven winners.

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

When the media does call you out, deny.  Call the media liars when they call you out.  

The script is there.  It's as simple as it gets.  Only a fool would fail to run the plays that are proven winners.

So . . . Democrats.

They also don't have the stomach for it.

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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  Stop overthinking it.  The most important voting demographic is stupid people.  They respond to short, soundbite lies that make them feel good.  So, tell more of those than the opposition, and you will win.  Everything else is intellectual claptrap that won't even budge the needle.

Tell more and better lies, and saturate every medium with them.  And win.

All of that rightwing infrastructure existed in 2020, and Biden still got 81 million votes. I don't think it's the lies that matter, having a candidate that isn't tied to the currently very unpopular administration would have made the difference. That candidate also needed to be different from the current administration, and not say something like "I wouldn't do anything different." 

Once Biden decided to run again, the Dem leadership backed him and prevented everyone in the party aside from Doug Phillips from challenging it. It was a colossal miscalculation on their part. Probably due to selfishness from those around Biden who wanted to stay in power and influencial positions, and Bidens ego getting the best of him. Having to back out of that position after a disastrous debate performance, and then straddling the line between "not fit to run" and "fit to be President another 6 months" wasn't helping either. Kamala had to convince people that Joe was just fine and very capable as POTUS, but that he wasn't up to the task of another campaign. It's a very disingenuous argument to make, and it hurt her credibility to do so the whole campaign. 

The fact is, Kamala never would have won an open Dem primary by herself. She was a convenient fall back plan, that was half baked at best. She never should have been the nominee to begin with, there should have been a primary. It would have told us what we know now, that campaigning primarily on abortion rights, "saving democracy" and the status quo isn't going to win this election. 

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4 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

All of that rightwing infrastructure existed in 2020, and Biden still got 81 million votes. I don't think it's the lies that matter, having a candidate that isn't tied to the currently very unpopular administration would have made the difference. That candidate also needed to be different from the current administration, and not say something like "I wouldn't do anything different." 

Once Biden decided to run again, the Dem leadership backed him and prevented everyone in the party aside from Doug Phillips from challenging it. It was a colossal miscalculation on their part. Probably due to selfishness from those around Biden who wanted to stay in power and influencial positions, and Bidens ego getting the best of him. Having to back out of that position after a disastrous debate performance, and then straddling the line between "not fit to run" and "fit to be President another 6 months" wasn't helping either. Kamala had to convince people that Joe was just fine and very capable as POTUS, but that he wasn't up to the task of another campaign. It's a very disingenuous argument to make, and it hurt her credibility to do so the whole campaign. 

The fact is, Kamala never would have won an open Dem primary by herself. She was a convenient fall back plan, that was half baked at best. She never should have been the nominee to begin with, there should have been a primary. It would have told us what we know now, that campaigning primarily on abortion rights, "saving democracy" and the status quo isn't going to win this election. 

Many Americans were tired of Trump's act by 2019/2020 but COVID-19, and his horrid response to it, is why Biden was elected in 2020. That's it. No need to complicate things.

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14 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

You can’t possibly be this logical. The reason why Trump won had nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with dumb voters. 

wow, first post of yours where I completely agree

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14 minutes ago, Satchel said:

I’ll admit to be surprised at the sheer number of post election autopsies that blame ignorance of policy positions and Democratic malfeasance in messaging for Trump’s win.

Really? 
 

If we want to keep it real, there are other reasons why dominant culture voters opted for Trump:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/xK1PNXbfcZCHh6ui/

I mean this all can be attributed back to Republicans being good at generating sound bites that make people feel good. Racist shit appeals to some of our basic, tribal instincts. It really is that simple. Doesn't mean it can't be messaged against successfully, it's just that the current crop of Dems are very bad at it.

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5 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

You can’t possibly be this logical. The reason why Trump won had nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with dumb voters. 

I'm sure if they call enough people stupid, they will win the LatinX vote in 2028!

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23 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Y'all, don't make me tap my "there isn't a center" sign again.

It sounds like a nice idea for there to be a center. In the real world, it's just a ridiculous compromise between ideological positions. I believe Phil Ochs wrote a song about it.

 

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18 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

I'm sure if they call enough people stupid, they will win the LatinX vote in 2028!

At one of his rallies, Trump told his people that he really didn’t care about them, that he just wanted their votes. You can’t be more disrespectful  and still have dumb ass people support you, unless of course all you’re irrationally concerned about the dispossession of white people.

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6 hours ago, Satchel said:

At one of his rallies, Trump told his people that he really didn’t care about them, that he just wanted their votes. You can’t be more disrespectful  and still have dumb ass people support you, unless of course all you’re irrationally concerned about the dispossession of white people.

I think it has a lot more to do with people in the middle not liking Kamala for numerous reasons that don't have to do with her race or gender. Despite all the crazy shit he says Trump got a couple million more votes than 2020, but she lost several million votes compared to Biden and performed much worse in many solid Blue areas. 

Again, I go back to the point that I don't think she would win a normal Dem primary if given the chance. All of her candidates for her VP were better choices for the top of the ticket, and they probably beat Trump if they make it through the normal primary process. Shapiro, Whitmer, Newsome, Beshear, Wes Moore, etc, any combo of them would have been a better option. 

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31 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

I think it has a lot more to do with people in the middle not liking Kamala for numerous reasons that don't have to do with her race or gender. Despite all the crazy shit he says Trump got a couple million more votes than 2020, but she lost several million votes compared to Biden and performed much worse in many solid Blue areas. 

Again, I go back to the point that I don't think she would win a normal Dem primary if given the chance. All of her candidates for her VP were better choices for the top of the ticket, and they probably beat Trump if they make it through the normal primary process. Shapiro, Whitmer, Newsome, Beshear, Wes Moore, etc, any combo of them would have been a better option. 

I disagree in full. Why would any of those have been better?  They all would have been painted with the same “socialist, communist, fascist, trans-loving, war on Christmas, etc” brush that Kamala was. 

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38 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

I think it has a lot more to do with people in the middle not liking Kamala for numerous reasons that don't have to do with her race or gender. Despite all the crazy shit he says Trump got a couple million more votes than 2020, but she lost several million votes compared to Biden and performed much worse in many solid Blue areas. 

Again, I go back to the point that I don't think she would win a normal Dem primary if given the chance. All of her candidates for her VP were better choices for the top of the ticket, and they probably beat Trump if they make it through the normal primary process. Shapiro, Whitmer, Newsome, Beshear, Wes Moore, etc, any combo of them would have been a better option. 

Look a primary that late was a logistical nightmare but I will say this it SHOULD have happened as a full one day vote, the months long primary process is poison for democrats it creates scenarios for the corpocrats ALWAYS winning the nomination.

End the current nomination process!

Still Hillary won her primary and lost, there is a fundamental problem with current reality and even though you hate to hear it again the correlation between educated and uneducated is the #1 or #2 and vote intention between the candidates after urban vs rural.

There is a nuclear powder keg and having a single primary would not have solved anything, we need to abandon the large tent and put populist charismatic candidates forward. At this rate we will lose the black male vote

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17 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

I think it has a lot more to do with people in the middle not liking Kamala for numerous reasons that don't have to do with her race or gender. Despite all the crazy shit he says Trump got a couple million more votes than 2020, but she lost several million votes compared to Biden and performed much worse in many solid Blue areas. 

Again, I go back to the point that I don't think she would win a normal Dem primary if given the chance. All of her candidates for her VP were better choices for the top of the ticket, and they probably beat Trump if they make it through the normal primary process. Shapiro, Whitmer, Newsome, Beshear, Wes Moore, etc, any combo of them would have been a better option. 

I disagree. By any objective measure, both of the women who led the Democratic ticket were more qualified than the man they against. America has made it abundantly clear that is not ready to elect a woman in general and a black woman in particular. Gavin Newsome could have run on the exact same ticket with the same policy platform and messaging, and would have defeated Trump.

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I disagree. By any objective measure, both of the women who led the Democratic ticket were more qualified than the man they against. America has made it abundantly clear that is not ready to elect a woman in general and a black woman in particular. Gavin Newsome could have run on the exact same ticket with the same policy platform and messaging, and would have defeated Trump.

This. Even my quite feminist wife and daughter both agree “yeah…if we want to win, we need to run a white dude.” That’s just how it be.
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2 hours ago, Satchel said:

Gavin Newsome could have run on the exact same ticket with the same policy platform and messaging, and would have defeated Trump.

Gavin would have been beaten by Trump. Obama would have kicked his ass. The problem with Dems is that they run candidates who are unlikeable. A logistically great campaign is useless if the candidate is meh. 

The only way to counter widespread propaganda is to put someone out there who can be liked. If you like someone, it’s less easier for people to fall for stupid lies peddled by the other side. Obama would have made Trump look like a fool while not sounding like a whiny little bitch. 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:


This. Even my quite feminist wife and daughter both agree “yeah…if we want to win, we need to run a white dude.” That’s just how it be.

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34 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Gavin would have been beaten by Trump. Obama would have kicked his ass. The problem with Dems is that they run candidates who are unlikeable. A logistically great campaign is useless if the candidate is meh. 

The only way to counter widespread propaganda is to put someone out there who can be liked. If you like someone, it’s less easier for people to fall for stupid lies peddled by the other side. Obama would have made Trump look like a fool while not sounding like a whiny little bitch. 

Obama was an amazing orator. I wish he could run again, but the constitution or something. I found Kamala very likable. Hillary, not at all. 

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Obama was an amazing orator. I wish he could run again, but the constitution or something. I found Kamala very likable. Hillary, not at all. 

Kamala is likable but she’s also very hateable. We can’t win unless we get an Obama level speaker as a candidate. 

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4 hours ago, MrBig said:

Gavin would have been beaten by Trump. Obama would have kicked his ass. The problem with Dems is that they run candidates who are unlikeable. A logistically great campaign is useless if the candidate is meh. 

The only way to counter widespread propaganda is to put someone out there who can be liked. If you like someone, it’s less easier for people to fall for stupid lies peddled by the other side. Obama would have made Trump look like a fool while not sounding like a whiny little bitch. 

Likability, along with character are virtues that are no longer valued by voters. Do you Trump at all?

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5 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Likability, along with character are virtues that are no longer valued by voters. Do you Trump at all?

No way. I just not been impressed by any Dems since Obama. I like Pete B but I doubt he could win. I like James Talarico and the way he speaks, but there is no way he ever makes it onto the national stage. Dems need a progressive religious guy like that to breakthrough to rural America. 

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6 minutes ago, MrBig said:

No way. I just not been impressed by any Dems since Obama. I like Pete B but I doubt he could win. I like James Talarico and the way he speaks, but there is no way he ever makes it onto the national stage. Dems need a progressive religious guy like that to breakthrough to rural America. 

Rural America needs to start voting in their own interests and resist appeals that animate their racial anxieties and opposition to equity principles.

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5 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Rural America needs to start voting in their own interests and resist appeals that animate their racial anxieties and opposition to equity principles.

Put another way:  People need to stop being astoundingly fucking stupid.

But that is NOT in the cards.  And so here we are again.

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On 12/8/2024 at 3:10 PM, Rex Kramer said:

As far as what I want?  I want a return to Bush

Lulz.

Yearning for the gold ole days with W. So you prefer fascism lite in America.... and a massive war criminal abroad ... destroying two countries of brown people ... and installing torture regimes approved by the majority of Americans. 

W paved the way for the full-on fascism of Trump. 

Amazing how many Surly posters are Bush lovers and can't see the clear road from W to Trump. Just fuckin' amazing. 

And now your hero W is an artist.

Has the Dallas Museum of Art given him an exhibition, yet? So y'all can keep worshipping that Trump lite idiot.

 

 

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Wow, didn’t even see that Bush comment earlier.

Yes, Bush was a war criminal who courted a financial catastrophe with his slavish devotion to Reaganomics. I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would want to return to that shit.

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3 hours ago, BevoAbyss said:

Surly posters are Bush lovers and can't see the clear road from W to Trump.

And before anyone chimes in that "no one saw fascism coming after W." Full Stop.

-- There were plenty who did at UT even when he became governor.... those outside of McCombs, Engineering, and the future corporate lawyers at the Law School ... and 98% of the rest of society.

-- Good ole American Exceptionalism, post-9/11 patriotism, and 24/7 sane-washing from the media succeeded in marginalizing any serious resistance.

But, in my artsy fartsy worlds and philosophy degreed crowd, almost everyone knew W was big trouble: 

-- As in fascism lite, general idiocy, and  providing Christian Nationalism's seat at the table. A very BIG seat! 

 

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11 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

And before anyone chimes in that "no one saw fascism coming after W." Full Stop.

-- There were plenty who did at UT even when he became governor.... those outside of McCombs, Engineering, and the future corporate lawyers at the Law School ... and 98% of the rest of society.

-- Good ole American Exceptionalism, post-9/11 patriotism, and 24/7 sane-washing from the media succeeded in marginalizing any serious resistance.

But, in my artsy fartsy worlds and philosophy degreed crowd, almost everyone knew W was big trouble: 

-- As in fascism lite, general idiocy, and  providing Christian Nationalism's seat at the table. A very BIG seat! 

 

Hell his leading spokesman in the media was literally saying that his network will consider anyone who protests the war “an enemy of the state.” That’s about as faschy as it gets 

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Posted (edited)
7 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

and causing the greatest economic calamity since the depression.

You mean Barney Frank.

 

 2005 Said Barney Frank on September 25, 2003: "I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing."

 

 

And in one of the greatest ironies of the last century the solution to the problems he created was.... Dodd-Frank...

 

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I hate myself that I hate-watch this. This GOP twat is something too — Erin Perrine.

Edit: oh, she’s somehow affiliated with Ted Cruz. Of course.

Edit edit: This bitch sucks.

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Maher's one on one guest tonight: Kid Rock. 

I stopped watching awhile back, but I might be tempted to tune in to that, just to witness the absurdity. With everything happening, that's who he's booking. Kid Rock. 

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Posted
18 hours ago, Red Five said:

Maher's one on one guest tonight: Kid Rock. 

I stopped watching awhile back, but I might be tempted to tune in to that, just to witness the absurdity. With everything happening, that's who he's booking. Kid Rock. 

fucking really? they have been blasting all the streaming channels with his unfunny comedy special trailer and then his nauseating promos both-sidesing this shit is enough to make Ana hard. all that and they get kid fucking rock? clown show extreme

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On 12/12/2024 at 2:39 PM, Rex Kramer said:

Some combo of Greenspan, Clinton, Bush, banks, Phil Gramm, Barney Frank, mortgage companies, Wall St., and the general American population. To state it was Bush’s fault is like saying inflation was Biden’s fault. It’s actually dumber. 

What was Bush's fault was pushing for big tax cuts and running up debt, assuring us all that the good times would last forever and we would grow out of it and nothing bad would ever happen. Because that is how economies work. They grow forever and there are never crashes or recessions or anything.

Though, even there, that is not really Bush's fault. And frankly that is the point, Bush wasn't some great leader out there steering the ship with radical new ideas, he was entirely in favor of right wing orthodoxy at the time. He was only a cipher.

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Maher's one on one guest tonight: Kid Rock. 
I stopped watching awhile back, but I might be tempted to tune in to that, just to witness the absurdity. With everything happening, that's who he's booking. Kid Rock. 

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On 2/14/2025 at 7:13 PM, Red Five said:

Maher's one on one guest tonight: Kid Rock. 

I stopped watching awhile back, but I might be tempted to tune in to that, just to witness the absurdity. With everything happening, that's who he's booking. Kid Rock. 

I’ve been telling y’all for 25 years that Maher is a world class dipshit. None of this is the least bit surprising. That guy’s brain is made of silly putty. 

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On 2/17/2025 at 5:11 PM, Rex Kramer said:

Clinton and Bush aren’t really at fault. It was a collective failure, but they’re not businessmen, and they’re not the head of the Fed. They got elected in part to keep the good times rolling. In fact, nobody will remember it this way but I think Bush’s Paulsen and Bernanke did a very handy job of getting us out of the shit. 

I vaguely remember thinking Bernanke was competent, but what do I know about central banking?

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Jon Lovett interviewed Maher on Pod Save America. I thought that due to the venue, that he would tone down his usual stuff. Nope. Most of the interview was bitching about the left, woke, and trans. He might as well have had Jesse Watters on. 

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https://www.mediaite.com/podcasts/bill-maher-scoffs-at-critics-mad-hes-meeting-with-trump-at-white-house-fck-you-im-not-playing-this-game-you-mean-girls-play/

"Bill Maher confirmed he is meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House in a deal that was brokered by musician Kid Rock.

In an episode of the Club Random podcast that will air on Sunday, according to a preview shared with Mediaite, Maher confirmed to fellow comedian Andrew Schulz that he will be sitting down with the president at the White House in a meeting that was suggested by musician and past Club Random guest Kid Rock.

Maher also said he would not be dressing like Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and he’d be wearing a suit as a “sign of respect.” Zelensky, whose country is fighting off a Russian invasion, was confronted by a pro-Trump reporter about not wearing a suit during a recent heated White House visit."

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2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

https://www.mediaite.com/podcasts/bill-maher-scoffs-at-critics-mad-hes-meeting-with-trump-at-white-house-fck-you-im-not-playing-this-game-you-mean-girls-play/

"Bill Maher confirmed he is meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House in a deal that was brokered by musician Kid Rock.

In an episode of the Club Random podcast that will air on Sunday, according to a preview shared with Mediaite, Maher confirmed to fellow comedian Andrew Schulz that he will be sitting down with the president at the White House in a meeting that was suggested by musician and past Club Random guest Kid Rock.

Maher also said he would not be dressing like Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and he’d be wearing a suit as a “sign of respect.” Zelensky, whose country is fighting off a Russian invasion, was confronted by a pro-Trump reporter about not wearing a suit during a recent heated White House visit."

Bill Maher such a self important pompous liberal hypocrite that he doesn’t realize how much MAGA believes he’s a self important pompous liberal hypocrite that represents all of the left.

What a fucking d bag.

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