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1 hour ago, HtownHorn said:

That's the problem, he can't replicate that performance with any consistency. This thread would be completely different if Ewers was routinely putting up 300+ with multiple deep shots a game for TDs. The fact that as a 3rd year starter, he's eclisped the 300 yard mark once this season shoul be unacceptable.

When you compare that to Arch stats in the 2-1/2 games he was the QB1 people can see the clear difference vs. the 8-1/2 games for Ewers.

  • 2.5 Games
  • 69.4%
  • 10 Total TDs/4 per game
  • 194.6 Passer rating
  • 322.4 YPG

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  • 8.5 games
  • 68%
  • 24 Total TDs/2.8 per game
  • 154.1 passer rating
  • 245.8 YPG

I don't want to weigh into this argument, but I do want to point out that Arch posted those numbers against UTSA, ULM, and MSU. Call me crazy, but I think Ewers might have had pretty good games against those teams as well. 

31 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Yes. Reading between the lines he has grade I (microscopic-level tears) sprain of his ankle. It does not make the ankle less stable. It hurts and can lead to enough swelling as a natural response (especially when he is actually playing on it) that it becomes stiffer and even more painful. Wrapping it well before the game and between series and popping a few Advil might be enough to let him function as well as he did before the most recent injury. 

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3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

You're gaslighting. Arch has made some errant throws but not at a noticeably higher rate than Quinn. 

It's weird that you tend to talk shit about Arch. He's done well this year and and has created a lot of big plays in limited action. 

 

This post is the kind of post that irritates me. Before I do this let me say that Arch is going to be good eventually. He has made some big sexy throws and I think because of that, and our general love for the kid, we forget everything else we've seen him do when he has had his time under center. Arch has thrown 90 balls this season. He has a lot of overthrows, underthrows, throws into double coverage, throws behind, high throws, and even inappropriate throws for RBs and TEs.

Quinn is immobile and is lucky if ever he hits the deep ball. He has to be kept clean to be effective and isn't going to evade a couple rushers with regularity. However, when dude is healthy he is going to throw a solid ball from short to intermediate ranges. He is going to find the right guy. Ball location is going to be good. Ball will be a nice catchable ball. Screen balls will be on the money and leading upfield. Quinn is fine taking the easy throw and dinking and dunking the ball down the field. Because of this Sark trusts him and knows exactly what he is getting from him. Arch on the other hand is a gunslinger. He is going to go big game hunting frequently. He will take a lot of chances and that scares a coach.

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

This post is the kind of post that irritates me. Before I do this let me say that Arch is going to be good eventually. He has made some big sexy throws and I think because of that, and our general love for the kid, we forget everything else we've seen him do when he has had his time under center. Arch has thrown 90 balls this season. He has a lot of overthrows, underthrows, throws into double coverage, throws behind, high throws, and even inappropriate throws for RBs and TEs.

Quinn is immobile and is lucky if ever he hits the deep ball. He has to be kept clean to be effective and isn't going to evade a couple rushers with regularity. However, when dude is healthy he is going to throw a solid ball from short to intermediate ranges. He is going to find the right guy. Ball location is going to be good. Ball will be a nice catchable ball. Screen balls will be on the money and leading upfield. Quinn is fine taking the easy throw and dinking and dunking the ball down the field. Because of this Sark trusts him and knows exactly what he is getting from him. Arch on the other hand is a gunslinger. He is going to go big game hunting frequently. He will take a lot of chances and that scares a coach.

 

 

 

Holy shit, you are a jackass. You edited a lowlight reel for Arch? Do you know how easy this would be to do for Quinn as well? 

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Holy shit, you are a jackass. You edited a lowlight reel for Arch? Do you know how easy this would be to do for Quinn as well? 

the first 2 minutes there's at least 4 interceptions that aren't caught or taken advantage of by that really bad defense. Point is arch can have a bad day, and there's a chance Sark sees that in practice and isn't comfortable handing him the reins when Quinn is still capable. No need to get fired up I think, just a different perspective. 

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2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Holy shit, you are a jackass. You edited a lowlight reel for Arch? Do you know how easy this would be to do for Quinn as well? 

You call me out on something saying I am gaslighting. I put up around 30 of Arch's 90 throws as receipts and now I am the asshole.

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1 minute ago, WinningIsHard said:

the first 2 minutes there's at least 4 interceptions that aren't caught or taken advantage of by that really bad defense. Point is arch can have a bad day, and there's a chance Sark sees that in practice and isn't comfortable handing him the reins when Quinn is still capable. No need to get fired up I think, just a different perspective. 

There are at least double that in INT's that weren't caught or taken advantage of by Quinn.

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Just now, WinningIsHard said:

the first 2 minutes there's at least 4 interceptions that aren't caught or taken advantage of by that really bad defense. Point is arch can have a bad day, and there's a chance Sark sees that in practice and isn't comfortable handing him the reins when Quinn is still capable. No need to get fired up I think, just a different perspective. 

I'm not a fucking loser, so I won't edit a Quinn lowlight reel. The WTF plays/throws/decisions would probably last an hour. It was a stupid fucking post. 

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Posted (edited)
10 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Holy shit, you are a jackass. You edited a lowlight reel for Arch? Do you know how easy this would be to do for Quinn as well? 

Why is it cool to post video of Quinn's fuckups but not for Arch?

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You call me out on something saying I am gaslighting. I put up around 30 of Arch's 90 throws as receipts and now I am the asshole.

You have standard incompletions in there. Or even completions that were thrown a little off. The last 2 minutes are the UGA game. Just go re-watch all of Quinn before he got pulled in that game. 

 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

There are at least double that in INT's that weren't caught or taken advantage of by Quinn.

 

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm not a fucking loser, so I won't edit a Quinn lowlight reel. The WTF plays/throws/decisions would probably last an hour. It was a stupid fucking post. 

You're missing the point, Sark has probably seen that behavior in practice and is thinking if people get enough film then it could get worse. At this point it's the only thing that makes sense. If arch had 290 passes maybe 90 of them are head scratchers that against an average defense turn into a bunch of interceptions. I believe a relative of Arch's who is a double hall of famer has a record for most interceptions in a season. One thing about quinn is he's careful with the ball, he doesn't take many chances over his career. I'm just guessing though because I figured arch would have trotted out once quinn's ankle was rolled up on. 

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1 minute ago, WinningIsHard said:

 

You're missing the point, Sark has probably seen that behavior in practice and is thinking if people get enough film then it could get worse. At this point it's the only thing that makes sense. If arch had 290 passes maybe 90 of them are head scratchers that against an average defense turn into a bunch of interceptions. I believe a relative of Arch's who is a double hall of famer has a record for most interceptions in a season. One thing about quinn is he's careful with the ball, he doesn't take many chances over his career. I'm just guessing though because I figured arch would have trotted out once quinn's ankle was rolled up on. 

YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP ABOUT PRACTICE. Stop. 

 

Posted
1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP ABOUT PRACTICE. Stop. 

 

But what he is saying is accurate about gameplay up to this point so it is still valid.

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Posted
8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Why is it cool to post video of Quinn's fuckups but not for Arch?

People on this thread have highlighted individual plays that they have issues with. ThatGuy made a Best of The Worst of Arch compilation. 

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8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

You have standard incompletions in there. Or even completions that were thrown a little off. The last 2 minutes are the UGA game. Just go re-watch all of Quinn before he got pulled in that game. 

 

Sailing balls high are potential INTs. Again, these are roughly a 3rd of Arch's throws. You told me Arch is more errant with any noticeable regularity than Quinn. The only way I can prove that statement false is with video. Now I am the asshole for bringing actual proof. QE doesn't regularly throw into double coverage either.

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Posted
Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

People on this thread have highlighted individual plays that they have issues with. ThatGuy made a Best of The Worst of Arch compilation. 

OK, Mrs. Manning.

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Posted
18 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Holy shit, you are a jackass. You edited a lowlight reel for Arch? Do you know how easy this would be to do for Quinn as well

It would actually be incredibly difficult because the file would be too large.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Sailing balls high are potential INTs. Again, these are roughly a 3rd of Arch's throws. You told me Arch is more errant with any noticeable regularity than Quinn. The only way I can prove that statement false is with video. Now I am the asshole for bringing actual proof. QE doesn't regularly throw into double coverage either.

I'm not gonna do Quinn dirty like that, even though everyone knows his lowlight reel would be just as bad or worse, especially considering plenty of them would be in this 3rd year as a starter

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7 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm not gonna do Quinn dirty like that, even though everyone knows his lowlight reel would be just as bad or worse, especially considering plenty of them would be in this 3rd year as a starter

when you watch football all weekend you’ll see 100 throws where, before the ball even leaves the qb’s hand, you’re like, “that’s a completion.” you can visibly see the QB recognize the open man, confidently step into the throw, and fire the ball. you don’t even need the camera to pan to know that it’s a completion. 

quinn ewers throws a lower percentage of these passes than any qb i’ve ever watched. it’s no coincidence that i’ve never seen a qb throw more deep balls where you don’t need the camera to pan to know that there’s no chance of it being caught. you absolutely could make an hour long lowlight reel of quinn ewers, and all you’d see is the likes of xavier worthy, ad mitchell, bijan robinson, jt sanders, gunnar helm, jonathan brooks, matt golden, etc on the wrong end of those poor throws.

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19 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP ABOUT PRACTICE. Stop. 

 

Does that mean you’re YELLING? I said “probably”, it means there’s a chance it isn’t true. If he throws ballsy passes in the game why wouldn’t he do it in practice? 

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8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm not gonna do Quinn dirty like that, even though everyone knows his lowlight reel would be just as bad or worse, especially considering plenty of them would be in this 3rd year as a starter

You're missing the point. He isn't trying to insult Arch or say he is bad. But Arch is inconsistent right now. And you're the one suggesting Arch is more consistent than Quinn. I don't know how anyone is supposed to refute that except with tape. Arch is going to be good. I don't think anyone here doubts that. 

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4 minutes ago, Derka said:

when you watch football all weekend you’ll see 100 throws where, before the ball even leaves the qb’s hand, you’re like, “that’s a completion.” you can visibly see the QB recognize the open man, confidently step into the throw, and fire the ball. you don’t even need the camera to pan to know that it’s a completion. 

quinn ewers throws a lower percentage of these passes than any qb i’ve ever watched. 

So you can predict a certain number of completions.  Cool.  Now as it turns out Quinn has completed 68% of his passes this season, good for #15 in the country.  Either you're not so good at predicting completions or you're lying (again).

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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

You're missing the point. He isn't trying to insult Arch or say he is bad. But Arch is inconsistent right now. And you're the one suggesting Arch is more consistent than Quinn. I don't know how anyone is supposed to refute that except with tape. Arch is going to be good. I don't think anyone here doubts that. 

Quinn is very inconsistent. In his 3rd year as a starter. He has regressed with the deep ball to the point it's become a joke. 

I'm also not saying Arch should be the starter. He needs to be ready if Quinn gets hurt or looks lost again like the UGA game. He also showed clear improvement between his first start (ULM) and his 2nd start (Miss State). It's a very good sign. I don't see why Texas fans shouldn't be incredibly excited about his potential and what he's shown us so far on the field. 

I hope we see the best Quinn on Saturday night. 

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm not gonna do Quinn dirty like that, even though everyone knows his lowlight reel would be just as bad or worse, especially considering plenty of them would be in this 3rd year as a starter

Dude. I love Arch Manning. Everyone does. And when Arch is our guy behind center you will likely not find a more staunch defender than me as I am a positive guy in general. I am only closing an argument that Arch is more consistent currently than Quinn. Arch has a higher ceiling. We all see that. But I am not about to compared to Derka when I say Quinn is ahead of Arch and sit here and take that.

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3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Quinn is very inconsistent. In his 3rd year as a starter. He has regressed with the deep ball to the point it's become a joke. 

I'm also not saying Arch should be the starter. He needs to be ready if Quinn gets hurt or looks lost again like the UGA game. He also showed clear improvement between his first start (ULM) and his 2nd start (Miss State). It's a very good sign. I don't see why Texas fans shouldn't be incredibly excited about his potential and what he's shown us so far on the field. 

I hope we see the best Quinn on Saturday night. 

And this is a quality post that I think most people will agree with. However, you have to understand that OTHER people on this thread besides yourself really are calling for Arch to step in when we are 10-1 and locked in to a spot for the CFP. You may be level headed with things but others are wildly not. One person in particular that swears he was cheering QE on last yr.

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14 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Why is it cool to post video of Quinn's fuckups but not for Arch?

That was like every non-completion in Arch’s career.  Has that ever been done here in the aggregate on anyone?  Even the hated guys who never deserved the amount of scorn they received.

I will be waiting for those posts on that I’ll-advised throw in the UF game to discuss how that was PI and should be removed.  Or like those first two throws in which there was pretty much immediate pressure.  And for a little irony go watch Quinn’s first start.  ULM wasn’t it? A little shaky start against what turned out to be the 118th worst defense per DFEI. Oh, and I think everybody liked Ewers 2nd start.

This thread is annoying yet entertaining.

 

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1 minute ago, Had Enough said:

That was like every non-completion in Arch’s career.  Has that ever been done here in the aggregate on anyone?  Even the hated guys who never deserved the amount of scorn they received.

I will be waiting for those posts on that I’ll-advised throw in the UF game to discuss how that was PI and should be removed.  Or like those first two throws in which there was pretty much immediate pressure.  And for a little irony go watch Quinn’s first start.  ULM wasn’t it? A little shaky start against what turned out to be the 118th worst defense per DFEI. Oh, and I think everybody liked Ewers 2nd start.

This thread is annoying yet entertaining.

 

What I took from ThatGuy's reel was basically that Arch isn't as good at the short and intermediate stuff as Quinn.  We already know he's better at the deep ball.  We already know he's more athletic.  So, it's a tradeoff, and if my thick head ever learned anything about Sark it's from Saturday:  ideally, the offense runs the defense ragged with misdirection, screens, deep throws, all of it until said defense is gassed and then watch out, you will not stop us.  It doesn't always work, but it sure did against 'bama (23) and Kentucky (24), among others.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Skipper said:

Sorry to tell you this but nobody obsesses with you dude.  You just have frequently terrible yet extremely confident takes that people react to. Then you get incredibly defensive and verbose, and then it goes on and on.  For like a decade or more straight LOL.

This actually isn't true.

Derka is no victim--he refuses advice or responsibility--but he absolutely has several posters on this site who follow him around to antagonize him ... or wait until he's in a sparring match with someone else to dogpile. @MotownHorn is the worst of the lot.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Explosive plays win games 

100% true. Which is why teams defend us the way they do. Which is why we can run the football. Which is why we win. As soon as Arch starts regularly taking the easy throw he will be the starter here.

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20 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Quinn is very inconsistent. In his 3rd year as a starter. He has regressed with the deep ball to the point it's become a joke. 

I'm also not saying Arch should be the starter. He needs to be ready if Quinn gets hurt or looks lost again like the UGA game. He also showed clear improvement between his first start (ULM) and his 2nd start (Miss State). It's a very good sign. I don't see why Texas fans shouldn't be incredibly excited about his potential and what he's shown us so far on the field. 

I hope we see the best Quinn on Saturday night. 

I don't think @Thatguy is saying anything different. He is just responding to folks calling Quinn the worst QB ever.

Actually, I will dispute that Quinn has regressed with his deep ball. The throws against Kentucky were a massive improvement. They were catchable. Go look at the 2022 tape. They weren't even close enough for the receiver to try and make a play. If we can catch some 50/50 balls or get a PI call, we are in much better shape on deep balls than previously. Combine that style deep ball, as imperfect as it may be, with Quinn's usually excellence on short and intermediate throws, and you have a tough offense to stop. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

100% true. Which is why teams defend us the way they do. Which is why we can run the football. Which is why we win. As soon as Arch starts regularly taking the easy throw he will be the starter here.

Jokes on you, every throw arch makes is easy 

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8 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

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The actor playing security against the wall in these Kevin Hart videos is a friend of mine named Bryson Pope. Pope played football. Cool dude. Country talking as hell. lol

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Posted
42 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Dia Bell is probably going to be better than Manning. Let him get some reps against aggy. fuck it.

Dia got hurt this weekend and was carted off.  I think he is going to be fine from what I read this morning. 

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Just now, Thatguy said:

The actor playing security against the wall in these Kevin Hart videos is a friend of mine named Bryson Pope. Pope played football. Cool dude. Country talking as hell. lol

We talking Randy Moss type or Legett type country or worse?

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Posted
2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

We talking Randy Moss type or Legett type country or worse?

Pope is from Wilson, North Carolina so that should explain it. Acting has cleaned some of it up but let him get a couple drinks in him.

Posted
19 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Dude. I love Arch Manning. Everyone does. And when Arch is our guy behind center you will likely not find a more staunch defender than me as I am a positive guy in general. I am only closing an argument that Arch is more consistent currently than Quinn. Arch has a higher ceiling. We all see that. But I am not about to compared to Derka when I say Quinn is ahead of Arch and sit here and take that.

Quinn and Arch are almost polar opposite QBs. 

Arch instinctually looks downfield first, which I think is great. You'd rather try to tame the aggressiveness instead of having to encourage it.  I know Sark criticized that aggressiveness in the ULM game (and rightfully so) and he wanted Arch to play smarter. Then Arch did that in the Miss State game where he went 26/31 for 325 yds (and would have been closer to 400 if Johntay doesn't drop a breadbasket deep ball for a TD) and was able to make some safer throws while still going deep in the right spots. 

Quinn really tries to avoid any contested throws, therefore it's a different style of football. Way more passes within 5-10 yards of the LOS, that's where he's comfortable. But even with a "safer" passing attack, Quinn still makes a lot of WTF plays and is very inconsistent. It's just who he is. I think most fans believe this is how Sark wants to run his offense, but I don't think so. He's curated it to fit Quinn's strengths. Look at Mac Jones's Alabama highlights. Way more explosive offense. Next year with Arch will look a lot different. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What I took from ThatGuy's reel was basically that Arch isn't as good at the short and intermediate stuff as Quinn.  We already know he's better at the deep ball.  We already know he's more athletic.  So, it's a tradeoff, and if my thick head ever learned anything about Sark it's from Saturday:  ideally, the offense runs the defense ragged with misdirection, screens, deep throws, all of it until said defense is gassed and then watch out, you will not stop us.  It doesn't always work, but it sure did against 'bama (23) and Kentucky (24), among others.

I’m not sure on all those videos who’s running the routes but do not expect the same timing when a backup comes in.  It’s also expected that he’s not as calm.  This site shits on quite a few players over the years so it was pretty extreme showing all that.

Ewers is the guy for a number of reasons.  I don’t even think that necessarily means that Sark views him as giving us a better chance to win.  I’d expect him to think both could win.  I believe we can win with both.  But also that he’d think Arch might make, more bigger mistakes.

We’re the one of the 3 best, deepest teams.  It’s not about 1 player.  Ewers gets way too much credit most of the time.  He’s getting a little hell now but in the end, win or lose, it’ll only be a very small number that tag him if we lose.  Now, they may be loud and mouthy, but He will be viewed favorably over the longer term.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Quinn and Arch are almost polar opposite QBs. 

Arch instinctually looks downfield first, which I think is great. You'd rather try to tame the aggressiveness instead of having to encourage it.  I know Sark criticized that aggressiveness in the ULM game (and rightfully so) and he wanted Arch to play smarter. Then Arch did that in the Miss State game where he went 26/31 for 325 yds (and would have been closer to 400 if Johntay doesn't drop a breadbasket deep ball for a TD) and was able to make some safer throws while still going deep in the right spots. 

Quinn really tries to avoid any contested throws, therefore it's a different style of football. Way more passes within 5-10 yards of the LOS, that's where he's comfortable. But even with a "safer" passing attack, Quinn still makes a lot of WTF plays and is very inconsistent. It's just who he is. I think most fans believe this is how Sark wants to run his offense, but I don't think so. He's curated it to fit Quinn's strengths. Look at Mac Jones's Alabama highlights. Way more explosive offense. Next year with Arch will look a lot different. 

I think what you are seeing isn't Quinn being afraid to take shots its Quinn only taking shots when the numbers are right. Can you remember Quinn throwing deep into double coverage this year? I cannot. All those shitty deep ball misses appear to be when we get 1v1 matchups. Also, Sark was an OC in an aggressive defensive conference predicated on running the football. I don't think he ever saw a 3-3-5 flyover until he came to the Big12. I think once opponents saw how effective it was vs what he wanted to do it became the go to defensive scheme for one Steve Sarkisian.

The one thing that really makes me mad about this thread and people saying Quinn is holding us back and Yadayada is the fact that people are daring us to run on them and perfectly willing to take whatever rushing numbers we get if it means not letting us throw over the top on them. That is out of respect for what Sark is doing. We couldn't just line up and bully teams with numbers in the box. That is a result of effective passing. People here don't seem to understand that.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

 I don’t even think that necessarily means that Sark views him as giving us a better chance to win.

This isn't all that complicated. Why does Sark play so few receivers? Can we agree he trusts certain guys more than others? Has he proven to be good at that? I would say so and that has played out on the field. The QB position isn't any different. Everyone has seen that Arch doesn't have the full playbook. There are less motions and less plays. There is a reason for that.

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