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2 minutes ago, hook me said:

I think the bigger issue with "what we lost last year" has more to do with chemistry & experience in the offense than with outright talent like some have argued. 2 years with Worthy, Whittington, Sanders. Brooks had 3 years in the offensive system so you're really only talking about AD being the complete new guy last year. Compare that with every receiver being new to both the offense & with QE and I think there's something to be argued. Moore is the only exception among the WRs and he hardly played last year. I think that's why QE & Helm have been the most consistent connection since Helm is in his 3rd year in the offense & played some last year. Bond has been down with injury since OU so consider he & QE have missed or played injured 3/4 of the season and it's no shocker that they don't seem to have much of a connection. It looks like Golden & Ewers are getting on the same page finally & Bolden has been making a big catch every game so that's nice. QE going down with injury during what should have been the games where the offense really found its groove, and then coming back against the 2 best defenses we faced while his #1 WR got hurt really threw a wrench into his season. 

That's not to excuse all the WTF moments QE has had since returning by any means. The a&m INT & fumble really stick out to me as mistakes that QE simply can't make but seemingly does every game (even if he gets away with them every now and then). I've been disappointed with QE overall but have been mostly satisfied by the season as a whole so it's hard for me to complain too much. He'll be remembered most by what he does in these playoffs. If he leads us to the championship then there will be nothing but praise and happiness from me, if he comes out and loses us the game vs. any remaining opponent then he'll slot in somewhere just under Sam on my list of UT QBs & I'll succumb to bitching about all the offensive talent that we managed to waste while he was starting while sitting on my couch drinking beer knowing full well my arm would fall off if I tried to throw a ball more than 10 yards.

I agree with everything here except for the QE fumble against A&M, that was a strip sack when he was trying to evade a rush and make a throw. I refuse to chalk that up as a dumb play.

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Just now, Longhornlove said:

Classic, the guy that hates on QE says he shouldn't have benched but now wants him benched because the Coach benched him when he didn't want him benched.

I have no problem with changing QBs, I thought the in-game timing was poor. I wasn't at the stadium, but a buddy texted me that Arch was starting to warm up on the sidelines. One minute later on TV he's trotting on to the field. Did it not feel like a panic move to you at the time? 

One of the many lucky breaks for UGA in the second game was the timing of Beck getting hurt. Last play of the first half. That gave their backup QB and team 20 minutes to mentally prepare. I doubt Stockton looks as good or calm out there if he was forced to go straight in earlier in the game. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

I agree with everything here except for the QE fumble against A&M, that was a strip sack when he was trying to evade a rush and make a throw. I refuse to chalk that up as a dumb play.

You can't even argue the play correctly, he wasn't trying to make a throw. He took off running and tried to go down and was stripped of the ball.

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1 hour ago, My display name said:

Cross posting from the game week thread... 

I only read/posted this article because it was not written by you know who... very interesting take with actual facts. Responses should be fun. Hook 'em.

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2024/12/19/24324822/quinn-ewers-arch-manning-red-zone-texas-longhorns

Author of that piece is trying way too hard to polish a turd IMO. There's a lot I'd quibble with in that article but I pretty much stopped at:

Ewers has thrown a high volume of red-zone passes with success in most metrics other than yards and completion percentage.

Um ...

 

47 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Stopped reading right at this line: Expecting Manning to jump in and execute the offense seamlessly, in the College Football Playoff, is laughable.

No one is expecting that. In fact, acknowledging that the offense is imperfect is why one would've liked to see more of Arch. The fact that the offense has to be executed "seamlessly" to score points in the problem. 

 

 

Do I think Manning would show better than a clearly-hobbled Ewers in our past three games? Maybe. I would've liked to have seen him come on with a 24-7 lead vs Kentucky and let Quinn rest. Have him get a few more snaps against aggy. Play some in the SEC Championship Game. It's OK to acknowledge Quinn isn't 100% healthy and that's why you're mixing in the kid, offering a change of pace without upsetting the #1-#2 QB hierarchy. Sark has all the political cover he needs at that point -- and shields Quinn a bit by admitting he's not 100% healthy.

 

46 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So the plan is to do nothing and accept status quo? Sounds like a good plan! 

 

 

Having a QB who can run the ball 100% makes a difference in the redzone, especially with a running game that is struggling.

Ding, ding, ding. We're down to our preseason 3rd-string RB because of injury. We knew that wasn't going to change. Things would look a lot different with Baxter in the backfield. But it is what it is. Arch gives you a dynamic that you just don't have with Quinn but you have to commit to using it. Defenses have to account for his ability to get ouf of the pocket and make plays with his legs, which Quinn simply cannot do in his current physical condition (at least from the KY ankle injury forward). Let him throw a time or two when you bring him in. And it also works better if you've been using it throughout the season and not waiting until Game #14 to unleash it (if he even does this week).

 

39 minutes ago, My display name said:

Status quo is obviously not the answer - agreed. But why not shift some of the focus to the OL? We all know the field gets shorter in the RZ, but the OL is struggling to displace DL when it's needed most. Is it scheme? Execution? Both or something else? Point of the article was how shitty the run game becomes in the RZ. Is adding an extra runner (Arch) the answer with the OL not moving people?  

The reason the run game is shitty in the RZ is a combination of things, yes. Most of it being that the guys running the ball were backups or third-strings until injuries forced them into bigger roles. Having a QB who can an element of running can help keep defenses honest.

 

37 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Fix the root of the problem and that doesn't include rotating in a freshman backup QB. No one rotates in backup QBs with success at this or higher levels. You people are wanting Sark top do something that essentially has no precedent. Certainly isn't in his past. The evidence is right in your face and your emotions are preventing you from acknowledging it. This is a lack of being able to run the football problem which is blocking, play calling, execution and personnel problem, not a QB problem. You are asking Arch to solve a problem that Quinn isn't even accountable for.

It can work -- and has worked. We're not asking Arch to take over as #1 right now. We know Sark isn't making that move now because he hadn't done it when it made more sense than it does this week.

 

14 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Rotating Arch in the redzone is almost certainly a good idea. We aren't fixing the problems with our interior line or our inside run game. It is a personnel problem (they aren't bad, but not suited to what we are asking them to do there). A run threat at QB stresses the defense and should alleviate some of our problems there. Quinn isn't necessarily causing our redzone woes, but he also doesn't have any treatment for them. Arch can at least act a band aid until we can make larger personnel or schematic changes. 

Perfectly said. 10/10, would read again.

 

7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I wouldn't mind scenarios specifically optimized for Arch.  The game has changed.  It used to be "if you have two QBs you have no QB" (see 'bama, tOSU).  I'm not sure that's true any more.  My only concern is that Arch is possibly behind QE on some of the passing situations which might limit the offense in a similar way that his legs help the offense.  I'm not at practice, I have no idea, I can only watch games and surmise what might be going on.

Agree totally with this too.

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22 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

Ok, let’s finish off this narrative - 

. . . and Texas lost only one of those games when being outscored in the third quarter (Georgia in the SEC CG).  Of interesting note, Texas outscored Georgia 15-0 in the third quarter of their first meeting in Austin in October.  What does all this mean?  The trend is that Texas typically builds a lead in the first half against its opponents and then hangs on to win in the second half with a bounce back in the fourth quarter.

There.  Done.


 

 

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2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Did it not feel like a panic move to you at the time? 

I didn't think he should have been pulled from the game. He should have let him stick it out. The way that D was playing I knew Arch was being put in a impossible position and I was right. I even posted as such on social media but I can't prove it without doxing myself.

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13 hours ago, Pimphand said:

I think his ATS picks were like 62% this year so nah he ain't that traded brah 😉

Assuming "ain't that traded" means shitty, you're innumerate and/or ungamblifying.

ATS bets are pretty much all 11-10  and they show that as -110, meaning you win $100 or lose $110. At that level 53% is your breakeven. You get to 62%? You can go ahead and quit your day job. 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You can't even argue the play correctly, he wasn't trying to make a throw. He took off running and tried to go down and was stripped of the ball.

My bad, I confused that with the Kentucky strip sack but same same. Good play by A&M, should have protected the ball better but that was a forced fumble.

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1 minute ago, 89Horn said:

Ok, let’s finish off this narrative - 

. . . and Texas lost only one of those games when being outscored in the third quarter (Georgia in the SEC CG).  Of interesting note, Texas outscored Georgia 15-0 in the third quarter of their first meeting in Austin in October.  What does all this mean?  The trend is that Texas typically builds a lead in the first half against its opponents and then hangs on to win in the second half with a bounce back in the fourth quarter.

There.  Done.


 

 

That doesn't finish a narrative. Texas has been absolutely dog shit in second halves of games down the stretch of the season. Quinn is statistically terrible in second halves this season. If you play with fire enough you're going to get burned....

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2 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Assuming "ain't that traded" means shitty, you're innumerate and/or ungamblifying.

ATS bets are pretty much all 11-10  and they show that as -110, meaning you win $100 or lose $110. At that level 53% is your breakeven. You get to 62%? You can go ahead and quit your day job. 

Meant tarded and it autocorrelated on me...

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51 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Fix the root of the problem and that doesn't include rotating in a freshman backup QB. No one rotates in backup QBs with success at this or higher levels. You people are wanting Sark top do something that essentially has no precedent. Certainly isn't in his past. The evidence is right in your face and your emotions are preventing you from acknowledging it. This is a lack of being able to run the football problem which is blocking, play calling, execution and personnel problem, not a QB problem. You are asking Arch to solve a problem that Quinn isn't even accountable for.

Penn State did, but no longer.  Came in every game, scored 9 td’s.  Only responding to the “no one rotates” position. Only a playoff team adjacent to us in seeding.

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4 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

Meant tarded and it autocorrelated on me...

I fucking hate Otto Korekt.

+REP for "autocorrelated" though...

 

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6 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Assuming "ain't that traded" means shitty, you're innumerate and/or ungamblifying.

ATS bets are pretty much all 11-10  and they show that as -110, meaning you win $100 or lose $110. At that level 53% is your breakeven. You get to 62%? You can go ahead and quit your day job. 

Yeah, I thought that was an odd take.  62-38 against the spread is money in the bank, consistently.

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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah, I thought that was an odd take.  62-38 against the spread is money in the bank, consistently.

No my take was Klatt didn't get his info from the Surl his picks this year were too good.....

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2 minutes ago, nbmishoid said:

Penn State did, but no longer.  Came in every game, scored 9 td’s.  Only responding to the “no one rotates” position. Only a playoff team adjacent to us in seeding.

You and everyone else keep bringing this up. There is no precedent with Sark as the head coach or play caller prior to A&M when Quinn was wearing a new state of the art ankle brace. If he is gonna do it, Arch has to be a throwing threat or else you are magnifying the problem by increasing the numbers in the box. From my PoV, it appears he doesn't fully trust Arch to run the same offense Quinn does. Maybe he is playing 3D chess or something, hopefully he proves me wrong a breaks tendencies in the playoffs. he hasn't done much of that this year if at all. That is part of the issue. He is hard headed it appears.

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1 minute ago, Pimphand said:

Phukkin Fone

Here's a bit for Otto Korekt testing... wrote it prolly twenty+ years ago when he first started showing up.

"These wards is awl spilled rite, eye no. Mi spilling chicken tolled may sew."

 

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29 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

I agree with everything here except for the QE fumble against A&M, that was a strip sack when he was trying to evade a rush and make a throw. I refuse to chalk that up as a dumb play.

Not protecting the ball in the RZ immediately after not protecting the ball in the RZ qualifies as a WTF TO for me. It was a really good play by the a&m defender as well but he did a really poor job of protecting the ball while scrambling. Hell the UGA QB got knocked the fuck out on his feet and held on to the ball. 

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15 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

That doesn't finish a narrative. Texas has been absolutely dog shit in second halves of games down the stretch of the season. Quinn is statistically terrible in second halves this season. If you play with fire enough you're going to get burned....

Yes, that is what has happened in those games.  Doesn’t contradict anything I said.  We have won all the games but one when outscored in the third quarter.  The narrative is accurate as a continuation of the tweet you posted.  
 

We all understand that you want Texas to win every game 50-0 and particularly wanting Quinn to go per game 35/35 with 450 yard of perfect passing, 5 TD passes, and run for another 2 with oh just a measles 85 yards rushing (no yards lost on sacks).  That isn’t happening.  We are where we are.  I may not like it either, but that ain’t likely happening any time soon.

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1 minute ago, 89Horn said:

Yes, that is what has happened in those games.  Doesn’t contradict anything I said.  We have won all the games but one when outscored in the third quarter.  The narrative is accurate as a continuation of the tweet you posted.  
 

We all understand that you want Texas to win every game 50-0 and particularly wanting Quinn to go per game 35/35 with 450 yard of perfect passing, 5 TD passes, and run for another 2 with oh just a measles 85 yards rushing (no yards lost on sacks).  That isn’t happening.  We are where we are.  I may not like it either, but that ain’t likely happening any time soon.

Nobody is asking to win 50-0....we're asking for fucking decent offense from our QB and manufacture some points so we're not in a fucking survive game vs Vandy, Arkansas, Kentucky(late), Aggie, and hell we maybe even beat Georgia if so.

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45 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

To be fair, he benched Ewers for three straight series in the 2nd quarter of the first UGA game. Even I thought it was a panic move at the time (would have preferred letting Ewers finish the 1st half and make QB decision at halftime), but he opened the door himself to all this bullshit. Sark did something out of character, which invites people to think he might do it again. 

 

It was two series. And then Sark went complete opposite fully-regarded against Kentucky and kept a Quinn who could barely walk in, with a 17-point lead, only to hand the ball off 15 times in a row.

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Yes, that is what has happened in those games.  Doesn’t contradict anything I said.  We have won all the games but one when outscored in the third quarter.  The narrative is accurate as a continuation of the tweet you posted.  
 
We all understand that you want Texas to win every game 50-0 and particularly wanting Quinn to go per game 35/35 with 450 yard of perfect passing, 5 TD passes, and run for another 2 with oh just a measles 85 yards rushing (no yards lost on sacks).  That isn’t happening.  We are where we are.  I may not like it either, but that ain’t likely happening any time soon.
Moving the goalposts to make an argument. No one is asking for any of that. We just want Quinn to be competent, which he isn't too often. A QB who can actually win games, not have to be hidden by Sark at the end to get a win. We don't want our QB to be a huge liability, which he is. Not to mention he makes Peyton Manning look like Vick in terms of pocket mobility.

We win in spite of Quinn, not because of him.
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4 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Moving the goalposts to make an argument. No one is asking for any of that. We just want Quinn to be competent, which he isn't too often. A QB who can actually win games, not have to be hidden by Sark at the end to get a win. We don't want our QB to be a huge liability, which he is. Not to mention he makes Peyton Manning look like Vick in terms of pocket mobility.

We win in spite of Quinn, not because of him.

Sorry.  I didn’t know that I was responding to you.  The other person I was responding to wants more than competency.

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13 minutes ago, 89Horn said:

 We all understand that you want Texas to win every game 50-0 and particularly wanting Quinn to go per game 35/35 with 450 yard of perfect passing 

Jesus Christ. We have a 3rd year quarter back who has had the same coaches, same system and same o-line all 3 years. Do you have any idea how rare that is in college football?

I just want someone who is functional. Who doesn't look completely confused every time he is under pressure. Someone who can actually tell that a blitz is coming. Someone who knows when to throw the ball away and not take a sack. I would be esctatic if Quinn doesn't give up a fumble or INT that allows for a TD in the same play. That would be progress. 

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17 minutes ago, 89Horn said:

Yes, that is what has happened in those games.  Doesn’t contradict anything I said.  We have won all the games but one when outscored in the third quarter.  The narrative is accurate as a continuation of the tweet you posted.  
 

We all understand that you want Texas to win every game 50-0 and particularly wanting Quinn to go per game 35/35 with 450 yard of perfect passing, 5 TD passes, and run for another 2 with oh just a measles 85 yards rushing (no yards lost on sacks).  That isn’t happening.  We are where we are.  I may not like it either, but that ain’t likely happening any time soon.

If you don't like it, why are you defending it as if the stat was misleading?

The only game that doesn't really fit the trend is Florida since we were up 35-0 at halftime. And ironically we scored the most 2H points in that game out of the last six.

Throw out Florida -  we're averaging 7.2 points in the second half of those other five games. And not exactly against a murderer's row of opponents. That is ALARMING. That is not a good trend, or a good strategy for winning. It's inviting an upset. If we average 7.2 points in the second half during the playoffs, our season will end with a loss.

 

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4 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Hilarious that a few of you just can't help shitting on other players in order to protect Quinn and pull out the "if everything else is perfect, we can win it all with Quinn" argument.  We can do that with Cole Lourd as well. 

Yep, he’s only got 5 top of the NCAA talent for targets and an experienced OL with the Outland award winning left tackle dude, what do you expect? 

Hes only got a coach that made Mac Jones look unstoppable in 2020 with a brilliant scheme.

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Jones finished the season throwing for 4,500 yards with 41 touchdowns and four interceptions. His 203.1 passer rating and 77.4 completion percentage were both NCAA season records. He was named the recipient of the Davey O'Brien, Johnny Unitas Golden Arm, and Manning Awards. Jones finished third for the Heisman Trophy, which went to his teammate Smith.

What do you expect?? Lmao

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1 minute ago, CurlyDumps said:

 

If you don't like it, why are you defending it as if the stat was misleading?

 

There is no like, dislike or defending in what I posted. Is the stat misleading?  Perhaps, but at least incomplete.  I added what occurred in those games - winning all but one of those games - irrespective of the poor offensive production in the second halves of those games.  That is what happened.  If you disagree, then post the final game scores of those games and let me know if we actually ended up losing them.  Maybe I got that wrong.

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I know last years class was loaded at QB a million went in the first round but would he have gone higher last year? Not in the first round of course.

Downfall is sad to watch. I tried to pull for the kid as long as I could. Honestly not on him, on sark.

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The Ewers talk, whether it's his struggles or his future after this year, is dominating sports media right now. Every talking head and media channel is endlessly discussing it this week. Whew. I guess this is what happens when a national brand like Texas is "back". 

I watched Sark's media availability today, and he got pretty pissed at a question from Anwar Richardson, which was something to the effect of "how would you describe Quinn's legacy at Texas if you win or lose the playoff, or with his possibly going to NFL...".  Sark just cut him off and said "No hypotheticals." Anwar stammered some more until Sark gave him another shot to rephrase the question. LOL, it was a little awkward. 

Sark is clearly frustrated with all the Quinn talk. I don't blame him, not a fun narrative.

 

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Just now, Hard Times said:

There's no guarantees he doesn't fall even further if he transfers.

Yep.  He's not ready for the NFL, but there also isn't some perfect place for unelusive QB that is injury prone and lacks accuracy and zip beyond 20 yards.  

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2 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

 The evidence is right in your face and your emotions are preventing you from acknowledging it. This is a lack of being able to run the football problem which is blocking, play calling, execution and personnel problem, not a QB problem. You are asking Arch to solve a problem that Quinn isn't even accountable for.

 

43 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Moving the goalposts to make an argument. No one is asking for any of that. We just want Quinn to be competent, which he isn't too often. A QB who can actually win games, not have to be hidden by Sark at the end to get a win. We don't want our QB to be a huge liability, which he is. Not to mention he makes Peyton Manning look like Vick in terms of pocket mobility.

We win in spite of Quinn, not because of him.

I used to think this board was football smart. Now I see a lot of this board is incapable of deductive reasoning.

Vic-I went back and charted our throws. We threw the ball out of 11 personnel, 12 personnel, and 21 personnel. Here is how it looked.

11 personnel- 22-33(67%) 284 yards and two sacks. We had explosives passes of 22, 19, 32, 50, 22, 17, and 25.

12 personnel- 3-6(50%) 3-6 for 39 yards and 4 sacks. We had one explosive for 20.

21 personnel- 2-3 28 yards and O sacks.

 

You know what that tells us? The more you lean the offense towards Ewers strengths, spreading it out, the more successful we are passing. Ewers was dealing anytime we dropped back in 11 personnel. The throw to Golden up the sideline? 11 personnel. The scramble drill ball to Golden again? 11 personnel. The RPO TD to Moore? 11 got-damned personnel! We got ourselves in trouble trying to run it and getting behind the sticks whether it was a negative play or a holding call. You think he is hiding Ewers but he isn't. He just doesn't always play to his strengths by dropping back in 12 personnel and not even really sending Davis out in routes. It's hard as shit to throw to 3 against 7 or 8. His stubbornness to keep trotting out there in 12 personnel against Georgia is killing the offense. Everything bad that happened was due to us getting behind the sticks. Even in the aggy game the fumble was out of 12 personnel.

Sometimes you guys gotta stop with the hating and see whats going on.

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6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I keep hearing about this big arm talent he has but when I think of QBs with actual arm talent Quinn looks nothing like them. The two best arm talent QBs outside of Mahomes in the NFL is Josh Allen and Justin Herbert. They rip throws Quinn never has.

You're an idiot.

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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

 

I used to think this board was football smart. Now I see a lot of this board is incapable of deductive reasoning.

Vic-I went back and charted our throws. We threw the ball out of 11 personnel, 12 personnel, and 21 personnel. Here is how it looked.

11 personnel- 22-33(67%) 284 yards and two sacks. We had explosives passes of 22, 19, 32, 50, 22, 17, and 25.

12 personnel- 3-6(50%) 3-6 for 39 yards and 4 sacks. We had one explosive for 20.

21 personnel- 2-3 28 yards and O sacks.

 

You know what that tells us? The more you lean the offense towards Ewers strengths, spreading it out, the more successful we are passing. Ewers was dealing anytime we dropped back in 11 personnel. The throw to Golden up the sideline? 11 personnel. The scramble drill ball to Golden again? 11 personnel. The RPO TD to Moore? 11 got-damned personnel! We got ourselves in trouble trying to run it and getting behind the sticks whether it was a negative play or a holding call. You think he is hiding Ewers but he isn't. He just doesn't always play to his strengths by dropping back in 12 personnel and not even really sending Davis out in routes. It's hard as shit to throw to 3 against 7 or 8. His stubbornness to keep trotting out there in 12 personnel against Georgia is killing the offense. Everything bad that happened was due to us getting behind the sticks. Even in the aggy game the fumble was out of 12 personnel.

Sometimes you guys gotta stop with the hating and see whats going on.

So run an offense that isn't Sark's with a 3rd year starter in the same offense for those 3 years....good strategy for Sark to implement in time for playoffs!

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

You're an idiot.

So you think Quinn has arm talent like Herbert and Allen?

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

No way, Quinn will be good vs air? Who would guess....it's when his tape vs pressure and blitzes doesn't match those air throws....

 he will test well and his draft stock will rise.

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So run an offense that isn't Sark's with a 3rd year starter in the same offense for those 3 years....good strategy for Sark to implement in time for playoffs!

So you think Quinn has arm talent like Herbert and Allen?

Run an offense that works. A large portion of Sark's offense is predicated on the ability to consistently run the football. Trying to run the football against Georgia IS what got us in trouble. We weren't 3rd and 12 because of passing.

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So you think Quinn has arm talent like Herbert and Allen?

Did I say that?  No I didn't.

You are comparing a decent college quarterback to what you believe to be 2 of the top 3 NFL QBs and you are apparently pissed that he's not as good as them.  That's on you, and apparently on the recruiting "gurus" whose boots you lick with no perspective.  For god's sake, just shut the fuck up.

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Fix the root of the problem and that doesn't include rotating in a freshman backup QB. No one rotates in backup QBs with success at this or higher levels. You people are wanting Sark top do something that essentially has no precedent. Certainly isn't in his past. The evidence is right in your face and your emotions are preventing you from acknowledging it. This is a lack of being able to run the football problem which is blocking, play calling, execution and personnel problem, not a QB problem. You are asking Arch to solve a problem that Quinn isn't even accountable for.

I’m not an Urban Meyer fan, but he won a championship rotating QBs situationally. There is not reason Texas couldn’t do the same.
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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Did I say that?  No I didn't.

You are comparing a decent college quarterback to what you believe to be 2 of the top 3 NFL QBs and you are apparently pissed that he's not as good as them.  That's on you, and apparently on the recruiting "gurus" whose boots you lick with no perspective.  For god's sake, just shut the fuck up.

Herbert and Allen were decent QBs coming out of college as well and both were touted about their arm strength. They show it with their throws even in college, Quinn doesn't. The recruiting gurus and Quinn gurus in this thread have told us how amazing Quinn's arm talent is but film doesn't match that analysis. 

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