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1 hour ago, Derka said:

ahh yes, the miss state game, the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc, than quinn ewers. 

also, total td throws, along with every other stat i’ve seen that’s supposedly in quinn’s favor (like his career passing yards, or the fact that he was 2nd team all sec or whatever) are all old school, antiquated, outdated stats and accolades that aren’t nearly as relevant in 2025 as they were 20+ years ago. we have advanced analytics now, which is why we can look back and say, “yeah, derek jeter won five gold gloves, but he objectively was not a good defensive ss.” that’s what we have here. on the surface you can say, “he was second in td passes and selected to the all-sec team!” and make it seem like he was good, but the moment you look a little closer it becomes obvious that that’s not the case.

being second in the league in td passes is ostensibly nice, but a)17 is actually a pretty goddamn pedestrian number considering the talent around him + our easy schedule, and b)you don’t have to look very deep into the advanced analytics- the exact data that nfl teams use to scout and draft players- to see that quinn was a bottom-tier sec qb, and nowhere near even the middle of the pack nationally. what’s crazy is that all of this aligns with the eyeball test, and yet here we are, still debating his supposed greatness.

your problem is with Sark

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I can't wait for "the yeah but the defense isn't as good as last year's" posts in the Arch thread. not sure if they will equal the "our schedule is 100x harder this year" or our "receiving corp/running back group isn't up to snuff" posts but we will see.

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13 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

They are fucking meaningless.

Why? Are you able to articulate any actual reasons you think that? A stat that measures a QBs ability to handle the pass rush doesn’t seem meaningless 

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4 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Why? Are you able to articulate any actual reasons you think that? A stat that measures a QBs ability to handle the pass rush doesn’t seem meaningless 

 

Because! Duh!

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

number of times i’ve seen “quinn led texas to back to back playoffs” or “quinn turned around the program and brought us back to the top”, either here, twitter, reddit, whatever: incalculable

number of times i’ve seen any other individual player, unit, or coach given that same praise: 0

which is crazy, considering that if any one person brought us back it was sark, and that QE is actually the least deserving member of the program to be singled out for such praise.

 

plenty of people have praised the D.  I have consistently said they were Championship level and that the O, specficially was not quite there.  ST were meh to below average.

unless you have some ethereal RB like Ricky, or the D is the 85 Bears, the QB is discussed as "leading the team" in almost any football context.  I'm not sure that anyone said Quinn "turned the program" around, do you have that in writing somewhere, numbers of times?  I have seen people say he upgraded the position to the extent we could compete for an NC because the QB touches the ball every play and is very important. He may have helped get some better players to come to Texas by transferring to us. There is no other position on the team that is a "unit" unto himself.  except maybe kicker(sorry I had to bring K up).

Yes, the coach turns the "program" around.  We are in a position that better play from any one group, including QB, could have put us over the top.  and that is because of the head coach, who is also, crazy enough, responsible for the play of said group.

 

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

we’re talking about *the main* reason texas didn’t reach its potential, so yeah, it comes down to one person/unit. quinn ewers underperformed and failed to pull his weight more than any other player or unit, period. 

Wait….you are admitting that the reason Texas did not win a national championship game is because of Quinn ?
You denied that earlier so make up your fucking feeble, two screen name mind.

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4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

plenty of people have praised the D.  I have consistently said they were Championship level and that the O, specficially was not quite there.  ST were meh to below average.

unless you have some ethereal RB like Ricky, or the D is the 85 Bears, the QB is discussed as "leading the team" in almost any football context.  I'm not sure that anyone said Quinn "turned the program" around, do you have that in writing somewhere, numbers of times?  I have seen people say he upgraded the position to the extent we could compete for an NC because the QB touches the ball every play and is very important. He may have helped get some better players to come to Texas by transferring to us. There is no other position on the team that is a "unit" unto himself.  except maybe kicker(sorry I had to bring K up).

Yes, the coach turns the "program" around.  We are in a position that better play from any one group, including QB, could have put us over the top.  and that is because of the head coach, who is also, crazy enough, responsible for the play of said group.

 

Bolded has definitely been said multiple times in this thread 

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56 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

JFC he was the fucking quarterback. We went from shitty to (briefly) number one with him under center. What do you expect people to say?

So in your defense of Ewers, you’re willing to shit on many other players and teams?  This is part of why I push back.  There is no hesitation to downplay others to lift up Ewers.  It is a message boards right to do so to crucify or so it’s posters feel.

Repeat it to yourself, a QB is the most important position but is easily the most dependent on every other mofo out there.

There’s only one QB that’s had the same coach and same system for 3 years running since Colt.  Probably didn’t help those other shitty QBs.

Nowhere in the annals of college football history is Craig Krenzel considered a great QB.  Yet he finished #1.  Probably same for Greg McElroy.

18 minutes ago, B00M said:

But we probably aren’t able to build those recruiting classes and teams if Colt was the QB recruit. It would have had to be the perfect storm where he’s the 2nd QB in the class (like he was) and the 5 star QB in the class attracts all the other top recruits and then gets hurt or otherwise loses the job to 3-star Colt. Might not land Arch in this silly hypothetical either, so if Colt gets hurt in a playoff or championship, the backup isn’t particularly good or ready… wait...

 

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Boomer, you’re a reasonable bastard.  There’s some element of truth here, but particularly in 2023, there were few here that contributed after Ewers arrival.  It was reported that Taaffee and Arch were tight during his recruiting process.  Arch is here more because Sark.

And let’s not forget money helps.  That ain’t Ewers.  Anthony Hill and Collins Simmons ain’t showing up because Ewers is QB.  All them DTs we’ve seen were here prior to Ewers.

Sark ain’t recruiting a Colt.  But if Colt were here upon arrival and won it all, people are lining up to come here.

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7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Bolded has definitely been said multiple times in this thread 

Quinn solely?  he may have helped as did other players(regardless Sark gets the credit).  If someone said it was Quinn alone that turned the program around that would be stupid.  I'd like to meet that person(on the internet only, of course)

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5 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

So in your defense of Ewers, you’re willing to shit on many other players and teams?  This is part of why I push back.  There is no hesitation to downplay others to lift up Ewers.  It is a message boards right to do so to crucify or so it’s posters feel.

Repeat it to yourself, a QB is the most important position but is easily the most dependent on every other mofo out there.

There’s only one QB that’s had the same coach and same system for 3 years running since Colt.  Probably didn’t help those other shitty QBs.

Nowhere in the annals of college football history is Craig Krenzel considered a great QB.  Yet he finished #1.  Probably same for Greg McElroy.

Boomer, you’re a reasonable bastard.  There’s some element of truth here, but particularly in 2023, there were few here that contributed after Ewers arrival.  It was reported that Taaffee and Arch were tight during his recruiting process.  Arch is here more because Sark.

And let’s not forget money helps.  That ain’t Ewers.  Anthony Hill and Collins Simmons ain’t showing up because Ewers is QB.  All them DTs we’ve seen were here prior to Ewers.

Sark ain’t recruiting a Colt.  But if Colt were here upon arrival and won it all, people are lining up to come here.

Interesting off-season debate. I think the 2 most important recruits were Chris Simms and Arch. Relying on the opinion of guys like Babers on Simms, he has said that made Texas the cool school. #1 recruit son of NFL QB was boost to Mack. Sark getting the stamp of approval from the Manning family was a huge and something no other single recruit could give the program. 

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1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

Quinn solely?  he may have helped as did other players.  If someone said it was Quinn alone that turned the program around that would be stupid.  I'd like to meet that person(on the internet only, of course)

I don’t know that they explicitly stated Quinn only but there has been an ongoing sentiment that Quinn brought us back. 

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22 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

They are not. It shows the QB makes at best no decision or at worse bad decisions.

Unless the person claiming it is a self sack, whomever the fuck that is, he will need to know the o line scheme of the play, what the backs were supposed to do and what routes were adjusted or not. Also what the defense did.

Just because a QB turns into a rushing defender does not mean it is a fucking self sack.

Jesus how hard is it for you and your other screen name to understand.

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Just now, hobbes2702 said:

I don’t know that they explicitly stated Quinn only but there has been an ongoing sentiment that Quinn brought us back. 

That's not the way I've read this thread but there is a lot of "i've seen a bunch of people say X" but it doesn't seem to appear.  I can understand some folks being a bit misguided on Quinn's status as we have been basically a QB wasteland since Colt(save Sam running Herman's Wing T, and he was a decent passer after all, as his stint on NFL rosters proves).

If Arch bumps it up again look out...

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2 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Unless the person claiming it is a self sack, whomever the fuck that is, he will need to know the o line scheme of the play, what the backs were supposed to do and what routes were adjusted or not. Also what the defense did.

Just because a QB turns into a rushing defender does not mean it is a fucking self sack.

Jesus how hard is it for you and your other screen name to understand.

Self sack is completely subjective/opinion

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8 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Unless the person claiming it is a self sack, whomever the fuck that is, he will need to know the o line scheme of the play, what the backs were supposed to do and what routes were adjusted or not. Also what the defense did.

Just because a QB turns into a rushing defender does not mean it is a fucking self sack.

Jesus how hard is it for you and your other screen name to understand.

You don’t know what a self sack is and are just ranting about something you don’t understand.

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Just now, hobbes2702 said:

You don’t know what a self sack is and are just ranting about something you don’t understand.

Please enlighten us old wise one.

Unless you know everything about a play you don’t know if a sack is the QB’s fault or not.

It could easily look like it is but there are a ton of other reasons it could have happened.

Subjective

 

Look it up.

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14 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Interesting off-season debate. I think the 2 most important recruits were Chris Simms and Arch. Relying on the opinion of guys like Babers on Simms, he has said that made Texas the cool school. #1 recruit son of NFL QB was boost to Mack. Sark getting the stamp of approval from the Manning family was a huge and something no other single recruit could give the program. 

agreed.  Ewers might have brought a few guys, being the no 1 recruit, that were in his class that knew him from recruiting trips or camps or whatever but Manning and Simms are NFL royalty from a coaching stamp of approval perspective.  you can't buy that....well maybe you can now.

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what about if a QB runs around for 10 seconds and instead of throwing it out of bounds is sacked and loses 10 yards?  What would you call that?


Because that was the ding on both Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders.

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2 hours ago, Derka said:

ahh yes, the miss state game, the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc, than quinn ewers. 

also, total td throws, along with every other stat i’ve seen that’s supposedly in quinn’s favor (like his career passing yards, or the fact that he was 2nd team all sec or whatever) are all old school, antiquated, outdated stats and accolades that aren’t nearly as relevant in 2025 as they were 20+ years ago. we have advanced analytics now, which is why we can look back and say, “yeah, derek jeter won five gold gloves, but he objectively was not a good defensive ss.” that’s what we have here. on the surface you can say, “he was second in td passes and selected to the all-sec team!” and make it seem like he was good, but the moment you look a little closer it becomes obvious that that’s not the case.

being second in the league in td passes is ostensibly nice, but a)17 is actually a pretty goddamn pedestrian number considering the talent around him + our easy schedule, and b)you don’t have to look very deep into the advanced analytics- the exact data that nfl teams use to scout and draft players- to see that quinn was a bottom-tier sec qb, and nowhere near even the middle of the pack nationally. what’s crazy is that all of this aligns with the eyeball test, and yet here we are, still debating his supposed greatness.

Derka- "ahh yes, the miss state game, the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc, than quinn ewers" (Arch vs 0-8 MSU 26-31 325 and 2TDs)

Surly- "But what about the Florida game?" (Quinn vs 4-4 Florida 19-27 333 and 5 TDs in 3 qtrs)

Derka- Florida was playing with middle schoolers in the entire secondary!

Surly- Looks at the two games after us with confusion(Gave up 16 to LSU and 17 to Ole Miss)

Derka- "Must have gotten everyone back healthy the next week"

Surly- 200.gif?cid=6c09b952mwfml98nabu66e70ho7i

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3 minutes ago, gurt said:

what about if a QB runs around for 10 seconds and instead of throwing it out of bounds is sacked and loses 10 yards?  What would you call that?


Because that was the ding on both Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders.

I was going to say the "completion percentage increaser".  It's like guys that won't jack up end of quarter 40ft+ 3's.

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1 minute ago, gurt said:

what about if a QB runs around for 10 seconds and instead of throwing it out of bounds is sacked and loses 10 yards?  What would you call that?

And what if the play is a shotgun snap with a slight roll to the right but the defense blitzes a backer and a safety and the back fails to pick it up and the primary receiver does not break his route off and the QB spins the other way and runs into a blitzer ?

Self sacked?
Sure looks like one to some.

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56 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I can't wait for "the yeah but the defense isn't as good as last year's" posts in the Arch thread. not sure if they will equal the "our schedule is 100x harder this year" or our "receiving corp/running back group isn't up to snuff" posts but we will see.

our team next year will be inferior to the previous two teams, but the qb play will be markedly, astoundingly better. thankfully we have another easy schedule, so we should still win a lot of games and should hopefully make the playoffs. regardless, the level of qb play will be night and day.

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1 minute ago, Derka said:

our team next year will be inferior to the previous two teams, but the qb play will be markedly, astoundingly better. thankfully we have another easy schedule, so we should still win a lot of games and should hopefully make the playoffs. regardless, the level of qb play will be night and day.

of course it will.

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32 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Wait….you are admitting that the reason Texas did not win a national championship game is because of Quinn ?
You denied that earlier so make up your fucking feeble, two screen name mind.

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Just now, Derka said:

our team next year will be inferior to the previous two teams, but the qb play will be markedly, astoundingly better. thankfully we have another easy schedule, so we should still win a lot of games and should hopefully make the playoffs. regardless, the level of qb play will be night and day.

Oh shit ……

Here we go….

Already making excuses….

Are you a fucking aggy in disguise ?

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Posted
33 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Bolded has definitely been said multiple times in this thread 

like, a million times. i have no idea what thread some of these people are reading. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Derka- "ahh yes, the miss state game, the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc, than quinn ewers" (Arch vs 0-8 MSU 26-31 325 and 2TDs)

Surly- "But what about the Florida game?" (Quinn vs 4-4 Florida 19-27 333 and 5 TDs in 3 qtrs)

Derka- Florida was playing with middle schoolers in the entire secondary!

Surly- Looks at the two games after us with confusion(Gave up 16 to LSU and 17 to Ole Miss)

Derka- "Must have gotten everyone back healthy the next week"

Surly- 200.gif?cid=6c09b952mwfml98nabu66e70ho7i

Everybody was out for Florida though?   And cook dropped a 70 yard bomb vs msu. 

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10 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Please enlighten us old wise one.

Unless you know everything about a play you don’t know if a sack is the QB’s fault or not.

It could easily look like it is but there are a ton of other reasons it could have happened.

Subjective

 

Look it up.

You don’t need to know everything about a play to know who is at fault for a sack between the QB and oline. We aren’t arguing about guard vs tackle assignments. This really isn’t that hard and is just you doing an old man yelling at clouds.

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Just now, Steamboat1874 said:

Oh shit ……

Here we go….

Already making excuses….

Are you a fucking aggy in disguise ?

you quoted a post where i said that arch will be clearly, vastly superior to QE, and you see that as “making excuses”? lol, ok.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

And what if the play is a shotgun snap with a slight roll to the right but the defense blitzes a backer and a safety and the back fails to pick it up and the primary receiver does not break his route off and the QB spins the other way and runs into a blitzer ?

Self sacked?
Sure looks like one to some.

There it is. Everyone letting Quinn down

Posted
10 minutes ago, gurt said:

what about if a QB runs around for 10 seconds and instead of throwing it out of bounds is sacked and loses 10 yards?  What would you call that?


Because that was the ding on both Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders.

That would be the ding on Quinn if he could make it 10 seconds without getting tackled.

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9 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Surly- "But what about the Florida game?" (Quinn vs 4-4 Florida 19-27 333 and 5 TDs in 3 qtrs)

something like 80-85% of QE’s yards that day were YAC yards. his average depth of target that day was very very low for someone with 330 statistical passing yards.

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Just now, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Everybody was out for Florida though?   And cook dropped a 70 yard bomb vs msu. 

Everybody was out for Florida for those other teams too is the point. They only got trounced in one game all season. Also, Moore dropped a TD pass against Florida as well. Plus we sat Quinn in the last qtr.

Posted
2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

You don’t need to know everything about a play to know who is at fault for a sack between the QB and oline. We aren’t arguing about guard vs tackle assignments. This really isn’t that hard and is just you doing an old man yelling at clouds.

Bullshit

You have no idea what you are talking about.

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6 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

And what if the play is a shotgun snap with a slight roll to the right but the defense blitzes a backer and a safety and the back fails to pick it up and the primary receiver does not break his route off and the QB spins the other way and runs into a blitzer ?

Self sacked?
Sure looks like one to some.

That wouldn’t be a self sack. You just are clueless here dude.

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1 minute ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Go back and try and read.

We all know you are using two screen names trying to impress us.

Just stop.

i literally have no idea what you’re talking about. the idea that i was ever *not* claiming that QE was the reason we didn’t win two titles is just insane. like, coo coo for cocoa puffs nuts.

as for this idea that i have multiple screen names, yeah, again, i literally have no clue what you’re talking about. of course neither do you, so that’s a big part of the problem.

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8 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

And what if the play is a shotgun snap with a slight roll to the right but the defense blitzes a backer and a safety and the back fails to pick it up and the primary receiver does not break his route off and the QB spins the other way and runs into a blitzer ?

Self sacked?
Sure looks like one to some.

You didn't answer the question. 

To answer yours, no.  And nobody would say so...what is your point?

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Just now, Steamboat1874 said:

Bullshit

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You’re literally claiming that people can’t identify why a sack happened unless they are the person calling the plays. What planet are you on? You then give examples of plays that prove you have no idea what makes something a self sack. Just stop. It’s a legit stat that is measured and isn’t some fugazi. 

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