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2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Agreed. But to BO&Ws point, that’s what he has been saying all along. This oline, and team, was good enough to win a title if we had someone better at QB. 

Y’all agree so I’m not sure what the disconnect is.

the QB was good enough if we had a better OL.

Funny thing that nfl.com has Ewers combine grade as better than Howard's.  quinn is good backup potential starter, howard is avg backup or special teamer.

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7 minutes ago, Nivek said:

So this is Derka's sock account.  You try to strengthen your argument by using terms you clearly do not understand incorrectly, even after this was pointed out to you.  A consensus of opinions is not objective data.  Otherwise Sanders was the #1/ or #2 QB taken in the draft.    Also telling someone to take Xanax is a shot at their mental health, and yet you complain about being teased for your struggles.  

It is really strange that you cannot handle disagreement and that you resort to fallacies and bombastic misrepresentations to try to self-sooth (including using a second account) or the use of repetition of words you must have recently learned.  I called you out because you were being kind of an ass on here, and for days you have claimed to have the receipts but you have failed to produce any evidence to support your claims.   You latched on to a draft order as an indicator of a different league of how important a player was to a college team and university, because you failed in every other measure to demonstrate otherwise.   

Speaking of which, In one brief study, looking at those players based solely on position who were drafted from 2000-2019, and defining success measured by second year contracts, Centers are at 92%, Tackles at 59% and Guards at 50%.  All other positions are worse than a coin flip.   So using this as a metric for evaluating the collegic impact and performance is anything but objective.   It doesn't even bode well for the experts (save for the evaluation of centers).   If you put in a little bit of effort, you would have discovered this for yourself.  You would have also noticed how the consensus failed to predict Sanders draft, and how several podcast/youtube hosts went into CYA mode to point blame back at Sanders for being drafted below the podcasters expectations.  This should have given you pause as to the value of these folks opinions, especially when trying to contrast it with real figures and performance.   

 

 

Those were all nfl scout opinions, not media. Those opinions were based on Quinn’s film and body of work which is “objective material” they used to formulate the analysis. 
 

So Sanders and Quinn’s draft positions are further proven to be accurate by their analysis. Is what it is, neither of those QBs are “good” 

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Just now, dcar00 said:

the QB was good enough if we had a better OL.

He was not. Because the analytics and scouts say he doesn’t handle pressure well and once his first read goes away he doesn’t perform well. Being able to react to pressure and adjust the reads is part of excelling at that position and being a good QB. 

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Just now, dcar00 said:

the QB was good enough if we had a better OL.

I mean sure. But you’re talking about upgrading from a top 5 offensive line to a top 1 offensive line. The Quinn argument is that if you upgrade from him there’s a lot of upgrades available. It’s not crazy to say Quinn was outside the top 20 QBs in the nation. It might not even be crazy to go higher on that number.

Again, I’m not trying to argue about this because who cares anymore, just saying it kinda seems like you’re agreeing with him but just trying to disagree because reasons.

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15 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

lol wut? I mean Colt had a pretty successful NFL career especially considering his physical limitations. What point do you think you’re making?

I’m not going to continue debating in this thread about Quinn because it’s over, but there are some crazy dumb things being posted in the past day or so.

He also had physical limitations is exactly my point.

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7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

He also had physical limitations is exactly my point.

Quinn’s limitations are mostly not physical. He’s a bit slight and a bit short, but that’s not why there’s questions about his ability to play in the NFL. He’s a project for an NFL team.

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31 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I mean sure. But you’re talking about upgrading from a top 5 offensive line to a top 1 offensive line. The Quinn argument is that if you upgrade from him there’s a lot of upgrades available. It’s not crazy to say Quinn was outside the top 20 QBs in the nation. It might not even be crazy to go higher on that number.

Again, I’m not trying to argue about this because who cares anymore, just saying it kinda seems like you’re agreeing with him but just trying to disagree because reasons.

exactly. one person is arguing that the issue was all Quinn/QB play, one is not.

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26 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Quinn led the SEC in passing TD's with 17 and didn't get to feast on Miss State.

He was tied for 1st with Milroe with 18 total TD's in conference play.

ahh yes, the miss state game, the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc, than quinn ewers. 

also, total td throws, along with every other stat i’ve seen that’s supposedly in quinn’s favor (like his career passing yards, or the fact that he was 2nd team all sec or whatever) are all old school, antiquated, outdated stats and accolades that aren’t nearly as relevant in 2025 as they were 20+ years ago. we have advanced analytics now, which is why we can look back and say, “yeah, derek jeter won five gold gloves, but he objectively was not a good defensive ss.” that’s what we have here. on the surface you can say, “he was second in td passes and selected to the all-sec team!” and make it seem like he was good, but the moment you look a little closer it becomes obvious that that’s not the case.

being second in the league in td passes is ostensibly nice, but a)17 is actually a pretty goddamn pedestrian number considering the talent around him + our easy schedule, and b)you don’t have to look very deep into the advanced analytics- the exact data that nfl teams use to scout and draft players- to see that quinn was a bottom-tier sec qb, and nowhere near even the middle of the pack nationally. what’s crazy is that all of this aligns with the eyeball test, and yet here we are, still debating his supposed greatness.

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

This is the thread that keeps on giving. I don't know that it will ever die. 

"I know that QE has been retired from the NFL for 38 years from now, but I still cant grasp how he got in the league way back in '25"

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6 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

exactly. one person is arguing that the issue was all Quinn/QB play, one is not.

we’re talking about *the main* reason texas didn’t reach its potential, so yeah, it comes down to one person/unit. quinn ewers underperformed and failed to pull his weight more than any other player or unit, period. 

Posted
1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

someone claimed repeatedly that it was quinn that personally led Texas to the playoffs?

I cant recall seeing this either, but maybe one rando in a game thread may have mixed it in on those high speed threads.  ???

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4 minutes ago, Derka said:

ahh yes, the miss state game, the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc, than quinn ewers. 

also, total td throws, along with every other stat i’ve seen that’s supposedly in quinn’s favor (like his career passing yards, or the fact that he was 2nd team all sec or whatever) are all old school, antiquated, outdated stats and accolades that aren’t nearly as relevant in 2025 as they were 20+ years ago. we have advanced analytics now, which is why we can objectively look back and say, “yeah, derek jeter won five gold gloves, but he factually was  it a good defensive ss.” that’s what we have here. on the surface you can say, “he was second in td passes and selected to the all-sec team!” and make it seem like he was good, but the moment you look a little closer it becomes obvious that that’s not the case.

being second in the league in td passes is ostensibly nice, but a)17 is actually a pretty goddamn pedestrian number considering the talent around him + our easy schedule, and b)you don’t have to look very deep into the advanced analytics- the exact data that nfl teams use to scout and draft players- to see that quinn was a bottom-tier sec qb, and nowhere near even the middle of the pack nationally. what’s crazy is that all of this aligns with the eyeball test, and yet here we are, still debating his supposed greatness.

Fuck Derek Jeter

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10 minutes ago, markstanco said:

I cant recall seeing this either, but maybe one rando in a game thread may have mixed it in on those high speed threads.  ???

number of times i’ve seen “quinn led texas to back to back playoffs” or “quinn turned around the program and brought us back to the top”, either here, twitter, reddit, whatever: incalculable

number of times i’ve seen any other individual player, unit, or coach given that same praise: 0

which is crazy, considering that if any one person brought us back it was sark, and that QE is actually the least deserving member of the program to be singled out for such praise.

beyond that, when jahdae barron, kelvin banks, and matthew golden declared for the draft there was minimal feed back or attention given to it from Longhorn Nation. and yet when quinn, the guy who showed up to campus unkempt and overweight, who had to transform himself over the folllowing summer to get in shape, only to still end up as our team’s weak link, declared for the draft, all of those same social media sites, including this one, experienced an outright deluge of, “thank you quinn- seriously, from the bottom of my heart- thank you, for everything. i’ll never forget you and what you did for this program. Longhorn Legend. 🙏🏼”. 

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that’s that cult like worship shit i’ve been talking about. a bunch of grown men going online and effusively praising our borderline worst player like he’s some religious leader who saved them from eternal damnation, when in reality he was the no.1 reason that his absolutely loaded teams didn’t even make it to the title game, forget winning it once or twice. i seriously, seriously doubt i will ever see such fawning and heartfelt praise for a more milquetoast, mediocre player in my entire life. the praise this guy has been given has been beyond undeserved- it’s been downright creepy.

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14 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

This thread is insane. And you people are insane for positing in it. 

"You're not in traffic, you are traffic."

Also, here's another Quinn gif. 

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Not the classic moon-shot to Worthy that everyone remembers, but the somewhat less appreciated "nail in the coffin" throw to AD in the 4th. 

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8 minutes ago, Derka said:

number of times i’ve seen “quinn led texas to back to back playoffs” or “quinn turned around the program and brought us back to the top”, either here, twitter, reddit, whatever: incalculable

JFC he was the fucking quarterback. We went from shitty to (briefly) number one with him under center. What do you expect people to say?

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14 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

JFC he was the fucking quarterback. We went from shitty to (briefly) number one with him under center. What do you expect people to say?

Why are you attacking him?  This is so unfair!

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2 hours ago, dcar00 said:

Colt probably wins 2 NC's with these teams and Sark

But we probably aren’t able to build those recruiting classes and teams if Colt was the QB recruit. It would have had to be the perfect storm where he’s the 2nd QB in the class (like he was) and the 5 star QB in the class attracts all the other top recruits and then gets hurt or otherwise loses the job to 3-star Colt. Might not land Arch in this silly hypothetical either, so if Colt gets hurt in a playoff or championship, the backup isn’t particularly good or ready… wait...

 

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42 minutes ago, Derka said:

number of times i’ve seen “quinn led texas to back to back playoffs” or “quinn turned around the program and brought us back to the top”, either here, twitter, reddit, whatever: incalculable

number of times i’ve seen any other individual player, unit, or coach given that same praise: 0

which is crazy, considering that if any one person brought us back it was sark, and that QE is actually the least deserving member of the program to be singled out for such praise.

beyond that, when jahdae barron, kelvin banks, and matthew golden declared for the draft there was minimal feed back or attention given to it from Longhorn Nation. and yet when quinn, the guy who showed up to campus unkempt and overweight, who had to transform himself over the folllowing summer to get in shape, only to still end up as our team’s weak link, declared for the draft, all of those same social media sites, including this one, experienced an outright deluge of, “thank you quinn- seriously, from the bottom of my heart- thank you, for everything. i’ll never forget you and what you did for this program. Longhorn Legend. 🙏🏼”. 

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that’s that cult like worship shit i’ve been talking about. a bunch of grown men going online and effusively praising our borderline worst player like he’s some religious leader who saved them from eternal damnation, when in reality he was the no.1 reason that his absolutely loaded teams didn’t even make it to the title game, forget winning it once or twice. i seriously, seriously doubt i will ever see such fawning and heartfelt praise for a more milquetoast, mediocre player in my entire life. the praise this guy has been given has been beyond undeserved- it’s been downright creepy.

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 the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc,

BOLD  = Anecdotes, possibly more Derkian objectional truth. Not a product of his selective feed/search.

Italics = Everyone, we need to thank other players more and send your thanks and praise via CC or PM to Derka/BOW.  He will let us all know when it was sufficient. 

Underlined = No receipts for the supposed cult like behavior of others towards QE, then posts the pussy-on-a-pedestal post above. 

Note how Derka leaves out Xavier Worthy who wanted to work with QE, and was trying to recruit Barron to Texas as well.   And who recruited QE to Texas from Ohio State.  

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

ahh yes, the miss state game, the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc, than quinn ewers. 

also, total td throws, along with every other stat i’ve seen that’s supposedly in quinn’s favor (like his career passing yards, or the fact that he was 2nd team all sec or whatever) are all old school, antiquated, outdated stats and accolades that aren’t nearly as relevant in 2025 as they were 20+ years ago. we have advanced analytics now, which is why we can look back and say, “yeah, derek jeter won five gold gloves, but he objectively was not a good defensive ss.” that’s what we have here. on the surface you can say, “he was second in td passes and selected to the all-sec team!” and make it seem like he was good, but the moment you look a little closer it becomes obvious that that’s not the case.

being second in the league in td passes is ostensibly nice, but a)17 is actually a pretty goddamn pedestrian number considering the talent around him + our easy schedule, and b)you don’t have to look very deep into the advanced analytics- the exact data that nfl teams use to scout and draft players- to see that quinn was a bottom-tier sec qb, and nowhere near even the middle of the pack nationally. what’s crazy is that all of this aligns with the eyeball test, and yet here we are, still debating his supposed greatness.

your problem is with Sark

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I can't wait for "the yeah but the defense isn't as good as last year's" posts in the Arch thread. not sure if they will equal the "our schedule is 100x harder this year" or our "receiving corp/running back group isn't up to snuff" posts but we will see.

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13 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

They are fucking meaningless.

Why? Are you able to articulate any actual reasons you think that? A stat that measures a QBs ability to handle the pass rush doesn’t seem meaningless 

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4 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Why? Are you able to articulate any actual reasons you think that? A stat that measures a QBs ability to handle the pass rush doesn’t seem meaningless 

 

Because! Duh!

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

number of times i’ve seen “quinn led texas to back to back playoffs” or “quinn turned around the program and brought us back to the top”, either here, twitter, reddit, whatever: incalculable

number of times i’ve seen any other individual player, unit, or coach given that same praise: 0

which is crazy, considering that if any one person brought us back it was sark, and that QE is actually the least deserving member of the program to be singled out for such praise.

 

plenty of people have praised the D.  I have consistently said they were Championship level and that the O, specficially was not quite there.  ST were meh to below average.

unless you have some ethereal RB like Ricky, or the D is the 85 Bears, the QB is discussed as "leading the team" in almost any football context.  I'm not sure that anyone said Quinn "turned the program" around, do you have that in writing somewhere, numbers of times?  I have seen people say he upgraded the position to the extent we could compete for an NC because the QB touches the ball every play and is very important. He may have helped get some better players to come to Texas by transferring to us. There is no other position on the team that is a "unit" unto himself.  except maybe kicker(sorry I had to bring K up).

Yes, the coach turns the "program" around.  We are in a position that better play from any one group, including QB, could have put us over the top.  and that is because of the head coach, who is also, crazy enough, responsible for the play of said group.

 

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

we’re talking about *the main* reason texas didn’t reach its potential, so yeah, it comes down to one person/unit. quinn ewers underperformed and failed to pull his weight more than any other player or unit, period. 

Wait….you are admitting that the reason Texas did not win a national championship game is because of Quinn ?
You denied that earlier so make up your fucking feeble, two screen name mind.

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4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

plenty of people have praised the D.  I have consistently said they were Championship level and that the O, specficially was not quite there.  ST were meh to below average.

unless you have some ethereal RB like Ricky, or the D is the 85 Bears, the QB is discussed as "leading the team" in almost any football context.  I'm not sure that anyone said Quinn "turned the program" around, do you have that in writing somewhere, numbers of times?  I have seen people say he upgraded the position to the extent we could compete for an NC because the QB touches the ball every play and is very important. He may have helped get some better players to come to Texas by transferring to us. There is no other position on the team that is a "unit" unto himself.  except maybe kicker(sorry I had to bring K up).

Yes, the coach turns the "program" around.  We are in a position that better play from any one group, including QB, could have put us over the top.  and that is because of the head coach, who is also, crazy enough, responsible for the play of said group.

 

Bolded has definitely been said multiple times in this thread 

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I’ve seen a video of a dude getting his dick and balls stomped by a woman in stilettos. That poor man looked so distressed… after reading this thread I know how he felt. 

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56 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

JFC he was the fucking quarterback. We went from shitty to (briefly) number one with him under center. What do you expect people to say?

So in your defense of Ewers, you’re willing to shit on many other players and teams?  This is part of why I push back.  There is no hesitation to downplay others to lift up Ewers.  It is a message boards right to do so to crucify or so it’s posters feel.

Repeat it to yourself, a QB is the most important position but is easily the most dependent on every other mofo out there.

There’s only one QB that’s had the same coach and same system for 3 years running since Colt.  Probably didn’t help those other shitty QBs.

Nowhere in the annals of college football history is Craig Krenzel considered a great QB.  Yet he finished #1.  Probably same for Greg McElroy.

18 minutes ago, B00M said:

But we probably aren’t able to build those recruiting classes and teams if Colt was the QB recruit. It would have had to be the perfect storm where he’s the 2nd QB in the class (like he was) and the 5 star QB in the class attracts all the other top recruits and then gets hurt or otherwise loses the job to 3-star Colt. Might not land Arch in this silly hypothetical either, so if Colt gets hurt in a playoff or championship, the backup isn’t particularly good or ready… wait...

 

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Boomer, you’re a reasonable bastard.  There’s some element of truth here, but particularly in 2023, there were few here that contributed after Ewers arrival.  It was reported that Taaffee and Arch were tight during his recruiting process.  Arch is here more because Sark.

And let’s not forget money helps.  That ain’t Ewers.  Anthony Hill and Collins Simmons ain’t showing up because Ewers is QB.  All them DTs we’ve seen were here prior to Ewers.

Sark ain’t recruiting a Colt.  But if Colt were here upon arrival and won it all, people are lining up to come here.

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7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Bolded has definitely been said multiple times in this thread 

Quinn solely?  he may have helped as did other players(regardless Sark gets the credit).  If someone said it was Quinn alone that turned the program around that would be stupid.  I'd like to meet that person(on the internet only, of course)

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5 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

So in your defense of Ewers, you’re willing to shit on many other players and teams?  This is part of why I push back.  There is no hesitation to downplay others to lift up Ewers.  It is a message boards right to do so to crucify or so it’s posters feel.

Repeat it to yourself, a QB is the most important position but is easily the most dependent on every other mofo out there.

There’s only one QB that’s had the same coach and same system for 3 years running since Colt.  Probably didn’t help those other shitty QBs.

Nowhere in the annals of college football history is Craig Krenzel considered a great QB.  Yet he finished #1.  Probably same for Greg McElroy.

Boomer, you’re a reasonable bastard.  There’s some element of truth here, but particularly in 2023, there were few here that contributed after Ewers arrival.  It was reported that Taaffee and Arch were tight during his recruiting process.  Arch is here more because Sark.

And let’s not forget money helps.  That ain’t Ewers.  Anthony Hill and Collins Simmons ain’t showing up because Ewers is QB.  All them DTs we’ve seen were here prior to Ewers.

Sark ain’t recruiting a Colt.  But if Colt were here upon arrival and won it all, people are lining up to come here.

Interesting off-season debate. I think the 2 most important recruits were Chris Simms and Arch. Relying on the opinion of guys like Babers on Simms, he has said that made Texas the cool school. #1 recruit son of NFL QB was boost to Mack. Sark getting the stamp of approval from the Manning family was a huge and something no other single recruit could give the program. 

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1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

Quinn solely?  he may have helped as did other players.  If someone said it was Quinn alone that turned the program around that would be stupid.  I'd like to meet that person(on the internet only, of course)

I don’t know that they explicitly stated Quinn only but there has been an ongoing sentiment that Quinn brought us back. 

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22 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

They are not. It shows the QB makes at best no decision or at worse bad decisions.

Unless the person claiming it is a self sack, whomever the fuck that is, he will need to know the o line scheme of the play, what the backs were supposed to do and what routes were adjusted or not. Also what the defense did.

Just because a QB turns into a rushing defender does not mean it is a fucking self sack.

Jesus how hard is it for you and your other screen name to understand.

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Just now, hobbes2702 said:

I don’t know that they explicitly stated Quinn only but there has been an ongoing sentiment that Quinn brought us back. 

That's not the way I've read this thread but there is a lot of "i've seen a bunch of people say X" but it doesn't seem to appear.  I can understand some folks being a bit misguided on Quinn's status as we have been basically a QB wasteland since Colt(save Sam running Herman's Wing T, and he was a decent passer after all, as his stint on NFL rosters proves).

If Arch bumps it up again look out...

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2 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Unless the person claiming it is a self sack, whomever the fuck that is, he will need to know the o line scheme of the play, what the backs were supposed to do and what routes were adjusted or not. Also what the defense did.

Just because a QB turns into a rushing defender does not mean it is a fucking self sack.

Jesus how hard is it for you and your other screen name to understand.

Self sack is completely subjective/opinion

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8 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Unless the person claiming it is a self sack, whomever the fuck that is, he will need to know the o line scheme of the play, what the backs were supposed to do and what routes were adjusted or not. Also what the defense did.

Just because a QB turns into a rushing defender does not mean it is a fucking self sack.

Jesus how hard is it for you and your other screen name to understand.

You don’t know what a self sack is and are just ranting about something you don’t understand.

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Just now, hobbes2702 said:

You don’t know what a self sack is and are just ranting about something you don’t understand.

Please enlighten us old wise one.

Unless you know everything about a play you don’t know if a sack is the QB’s fault or not.

It could easily look like it is but there are a ton of other reasons it could have happened.

Subjective

 

Look it up.

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