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Arch & Quinn are so different that trying to compare them is practically folly.  Arch is slow on his reads, doesn't check down well, and has relatively poor touch and accuracy in the short game.  He also has an instinct to step up and stand tall in the pocket, and is tough enough to take big hits.  Quinn was much quicker in his reads and check downs, had fantastic touch and accuracy and the short game, but he self sacked over and over again.  He was worse on the deep throws than Arch, but neither has shown themselves to be great in that regard.

Arch has wheels, Quinn had snowshoes.  That might be the biggest differentiator.  At least one dude can manufacture yards.  I guess I'll take Arch, given that there might be some upside to come.

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28 minutes ago, Derka said:

what a shocker it is that the guy who rated quinn ewers a 10/10 every single game is now coming down hard on arch manning when the o line was undisputedly the story of the day, a day in which arch routinely made the exact type of plays that QE was never able to make during three years as a starter, standing tall in the pocket, taking hits, extending plays with his legs, making plays downfield, etc. i’m just floored at this development i tell you. total shocker.

Anytime I find my opinion in opposition with Derka about football, I know I am on the correct track. 

Everyone here knows the O-line sucks Derka. What I am saying is Arch is making it worse. I give you, granted sometimes rushed, but legit football takes. You are in here with feelings and vibes. No factual anything. I have respect for guys like Codaxx and others. We may arrive at different opinions, but at least I know they can see the game. 

And NOBODY said QE was a 10/10. I simply KNEW he was better than Arch, not as bad as you said he was, and our best option last year. Move the goalposts some more. 

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4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So answer this what have you see from arch THIS YEAR that gives you confidence in him and makes you think he’s a better QB than Quinn

listen you combative fucking mongoloid, i have not only repeatedly said that arch has been bad this year, i have repeatedly stated that he’s *not* better than quinn was, and yet your combative, juvenile ass is still in here yelling at me for saying that arch is awesome when i’ve said nothing of the sort.

arch stood tall in the pocket under constant pressure and took a beating while still making throws downfield- quinn couldn’t do that. arch scrambled when under pressure and then made plays downfield- quinn couldn’t do that. arch can be worse than quinn was and still be able to do things that quinn couldn’t do. i know that level of adult thinking escapes you, so you’re going to have to take my word for it.

my stance on all of this is crystal clear, and there’s nothing in this post that i haven’t already said. you room temperature iq having motherfuckers who are so tribalistic about this shit are the worst. you think that everyone is either on team quinn or team arch, so all you do is talk shit and try to “own” people or “win” the argument. i have no idea why people put up with your shit and don’t neg you into bolivia, but you post like a 12 year old who needs attention and you should be embarrassed as you must certainly be in your 40’s by now. you’re a stain on this thread and this board. grow the fuck up.

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2 minutes ago, Derka said:

listen you combative fucking mongoloid, i have not only repeatedly said that arch has been bad this year, i have repeatedly stated that he’s *not* better than quinn was, and yet your combative, juvenile ass is still in here yelling at me for saying that arch is awesome when i’ve said nothing of the sort.

arch stood tall in the pocket under constant pressure and took a beating while still making throws downfield- quinn couldn’t do that. arch scrambled when under pressure and then made plays downfield- quinn couldn’t do that. arch can be worse than quinn was and still be able to do things that quinn couldn’t do. i know that level of adult thinking escapes you, so you’re going to have to take my word for it.

my stance on all of this is crystal clear, and there’s nothing in this post that i haven’t already said. you room temperature iq having motherfuckers who are so tribalistic about this shit are the worst. you think that everyone is either on team quinn or team arch, so all you do is talk shit and try to “own” people or “win” the argument. i have no idea why people put up with your shit and don’t neg you into bolivia, but you post like a 12 year old who needs attention and you should be embarrassed as you must certainly be in your 40’s by now. you’re a stain on this thread and this board. grow the fuck up.

Good now stfu 

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2 minutes ago, Derka said:

listen you combative fucking mongoloid, i have not only repeatedly said that arch has been bad this year, i have repeatedly stated that he’s *not* better than quinn was, and yet your combative, juvenile ass is still in here yelling at me for saying that arch is awesome when i’ve said nothing of the sort.

arch stood tall in the pocket under constant pressure and took a beating while still making throws downfield- quinn couldn’t do that. arch scrambled when under pressure and then made plays downfield- quinn couldn’t do that. arch can be worse than quinn was and still be able to do things that quinn couldn’t do. i know that level of adult thinking escapes you, so you’re going to have to take my word for it.

my stance on all of this is crystal clear, and there’s nothing in this post that i haven’t already said. you room temperature iq having motherfuckers who are so tribalistic about this shit are the worst. you think that everyone is either on team quinn or team arch, so all you do is talk shit and try to “own” people or “win” the argument. i have no idea why people put up with your shit and don’t neg you into bolivia, but you post like a 12 year old who needs attention and you should be embarrassed as you must certainly be in your 40’s by now. you’re a stain on this thread and this board. grow the fuck up.

zero anything really about football. all vibes and feelings. 

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13 hours ago, William Bludworth said:

Agreed. I've said it at least 3-4 times that Wingo/Moore/Lockett/Ffrench/McCutcheon/Livingstone/Washington/Winstlon/Endries needs to use the JUGS machine every day for at least an hour

Things I miss:  El Diablo, Lobo, the JUGS thread. 

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24 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Late on the throw. Play was going nowhere though. The issue with the offense is Arch has to be perfect for this offense to score at a high level. There is no run game. The OL is shaky. It is a bad combination for a QB learning on the job. Sark needs to find some reliable chain movers. Everything cannot be about the big play. Miami killed Florida on the perimeter. Not sure I saw a WR screen in this game. Would love to see Sark lean on some short passing game. Even that is going to be tough as teams are going to play 2 safeties over the top all year and dare Texas to run the ball and we have an OL that is good for 3-4 penalties a game. Texas does not have an offense currently. It is just random plays being called in hopes of getting an explosive downfield occasionally. 

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17 hours ago, Red Five said:

I only skimmed the last few pages, but how many times this season thru only five games have we heard announcers say "Manning had _____ wide open in the middle of the field and didn't see him". I don't know the number but it's a lot, and it feels like more than every other Texas QB in recent history combined. I don't know if it's vision or confidence, but whatever it is it's bad.

Middle of the field wide open isn't viable with your LG or C damn near falling backward into QBs leg. This is the biggest issue I have noticed...pocket collapses instantly, no hot, QB is trying to QB. 

2nd biggest issue is how long the plays take to develop. Won't work if the backside is NSAA - No Secs At All. 

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17 hours ago, Thatguy said:

You know you are my boy Hobbes but come on. You are one of the smarter guys on the board. We went from being last in air yards to first. So common sense would say the guy throwing the short routes isn't going to see as much pressure and the guy holding the ball. However, since all the back and forth between all of us is he said/he said, lets take a look at the video. 

2nd and 6 here. As a QB it is your responsibility to see the blitz and adjust accordingly. Florida brings 5 so you have to understand that the ball has to come out. Your TE releases and has a good step on the LB. If you put in on him he has a good chance of picking up the first or at least getting you to a 3rd and 1 or 2. However, you hold the ball for 3 one thousand. Then when you take off you draw the defender closest to the LB. If you dump it off he runs for 20+. 

 

 

 

2nd and 10 here. Florida dials up a simulated pressure where they drop out the Boundary DE and bring the field side OLB. That should cue Arch that the RB in the flat is an attractive target. If he lets it go the back gets 5 yards, or more if he can make the DB miss. Instead Arch holds it and takes an unecessary hit delivering it to the TE crosser, who gets folded as soon as he catches it. 

 

 

 

 

 

That last play is a TE screen.  There werent any reads and if Campbell makes his block its a big play.  They were never going to the RB in the flat. 

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41 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Late on the throw. Play was going nowhere though. The issue with the offense is Arch has to be perfect for this offense to score at a high level. There is no run game. The OL is shaky. It is a bad combination for a QB learning on the job. Sark needs to find some reliable chain movers. Everything cannot be about the big play. Miami killed Florida on the perimeter. Not sure I saw a WR screen in this game. Would love to see Sark lean on some short passing game. Even that is going to be tough as teams are going to play 2 safeties over the top all year and dare Texas to run the ball and we have an OL that is good for 3-4 penalties a game. Texas does not have an offense currently. It is just random plays being called in hopes of getting an explosive downfield occasionally. 

I mean, the dig behind the short route was open.

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I just want to see what Caldwell can do with an entire half. 

This should happened 2 games ago but here we are.

Caldwell has come in and looked solid his limited time. 

At some point you're just punishing arch , the team, and the fanbase not trying something new 

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2 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

I just want to see what Caldwell can do with an entire half. 

This should happened 2 games ago but here we are.

Caldwell has come in and looked solid his limited time. 

At some point you're just punishing arch , the team, and the fanbase not trying something new 

I dont see that working. Calwell wss 63.2% comp, 1,608 yds, 13 TDs, and 8 Ints at Troy. Maybe he has greatly improved since then, but nothing in his history suggests he will be an answer. 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/4877717/matthew-caldwell

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27 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I dont see that working. Calwell wss 63.2% comp, 1,608 yds, 13 TDs, and 8 Ints at Troy. Maybe he has greatly improved since then, but nothing in his history suggests he will be an answer. 

I think you, and people like you who think this way, are disassociated from reality. I truly do.

No one thinks Caldwell is Joe Montana.

ANY QB (especially one with some experience) who is not in the middle of a complete psychological collapse is superior to Arch. You have not yet come to terms wth how grave our situation is right now.

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colt mccoy was the last qb we had with that combination of footwork, pocket presence, toughness, and the ability to get off an accurate throw while getting destroyed like that. 

arch has half a season’s worth of starts under his belt, and he people who have already given up on him already are a joke, especially those who spent the last three years refusing to criticize quinn. 

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11 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

ANY QB (especially one with some experience) who is not in the middle of a complete psychological collapse is superior to Arch. You have not yet come to terms wth how grave our situation is right now.

jesus christ.

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I did not see a psychological collapse from Manning on Saturday. If anything, it was the complete opposite

no shit. i must be dissociated from reality because im living in bizarro world. i just spent three years being told that our last qb, a guy who couldn’t throw downfield, couldn’t scramble, couldn’t run, wasn’t accurate, was afraid to get hit, was seeing ghosts every play, was constantly turtling under zero pressure, and who was objectively worse than 80% - 90% of his offensive teammates, was actually great and was the reason we went to the playoffs, only for this same board to take half a season to say that literally anybody is better than arch and that we need to move on asap. lunacy.

i've said this my entire life and this will never change: we have terrible fans. i mean really really bad fans. truly one of the worst fan bases in america, and we as a whole deserve all of the hate we get. we show up late, we leave early, we only show up at all if the team is awesome, and we either prop up some spoiled rich kid who showed up out of shape and nowhere near ready to play football, or we tear down the guy who’s been humble and done everything right and is just now getting his feet wet as the team’s starter. we are shitty, spoiled fans, despite “supporting” a football program that’s won all of two conference titles this century. when it comes to Texas Football fans, everyone else is right about us: we suck.

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Arch had an ugly game and is struggling with fairly simple 1st reads. When I watch the film (obv dont have access to the all 22) its clear to me he's not ready to run the offense at a high level. He's just missing too much. However, he really is running for his life. Im now convinced part of the reason he's having the yips and is in his head is because he knows his o line is a complete disaster. Thats a tough realization when you know that means you're capable of getting sacked every single play, because his "first read" becomes pocket awareness and not where to go with the ball. 

He showed some real moxie and playmaking ability against Florida. The raw tools are there. I think his development has been stunted by this horrendous o line, and I think he was significantly overhyped and over ranked. He was a high four star that played against bad competition and was going to need time. But the film speaks for itself:

1- He has no time

2- Hes struggling big time with 1st read coverages

#2 doesnt get fixed until #1 does. He's not super human. 

In the mean time Sark has to use everything at his disposal to relieve the pressure for him, and hes not doing that schematically. He better start or we are going to lose more than we win. 

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7 minutes ago, BlackCat said:

Arch had an ugly game and is struggling with fairly simple 1st reads. When I watch the film (obv dont have access to the all 22) its clear to me he's not ready to run the offense at a high level. He's just missing too much. However, he really is running for his life. Im now convinced part of the reason he's having the yips and is in his head is because he knows his o line is a complete disaster. Thats a tough realization when you know that means you're capable of getting sacked every single play, because his "first read" becomes pocket awareness and not where to go with the ball. 

He showed some real moxie and playmaking ability against Florida. The raw tools are there. I think his development has been stunted by this horrendous o line, and I think he was significantly overhyped and over ranked. He was a high four star that played against bad competition and was going to need time. But the film speaks for itself:

1- He has no time

2- Hes struggling big time with 1st read coverages

#2 doesnt get fixed until #1 does. He's not super human. 

In the mean time Sark has to use everything at his disposal to relieve the pressure for him, and hes not doing that schematically. He better start or we are going to lose more than we win. 

probably should add this. I think PFF took the pressure numbers down as Arch scrambled for positive yardage. 

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On 10/4/2025 at 5:36 PM, CowboyFred said:

He should transfer for his own benefit is more my take. Arch is not the problem.

If he transferred to his dad’s, granddad’s, & uncle’s Alma mater, he would get better coaching and better line play.

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9 minutes ago, BlackCat said:

In the mean time Sark has to use everything at his disposal to relieve the pressure for him, and hes not doing that schematically. He better start or we are going to lose more than we win. 

Anyone with thoughts on why Sark hasn't moved the pocket more or given Arch rollout run/pass options?  Anything to give him more of a chance to see the field and easier passes?

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Just now, tbone_ said:

Is the punchline that Texas took it in the ass at every position by a better team. A 1-3 better team?

He absolutely destroys our Offensive Line for half of it.  Calls out Baker and Stroh personally.  Then asks why we spend our unlimited recruiting budget on big and slow in the SEC?

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3 minutes ago, deech said:

He absolutely destroys our Offensive Line for half of it.  Calls out Baker and Stroh personally.  Then asks why we spend our unlimited recruiting budget on big, weak, and slow in the SEC?

Fixed it for you..

He pretty much describes this chat. He tweeted out criticisms on Arch during the game, mostly based on the announcers' comments. He saw the ALL-22 film and put this out as a Mea Culpa to Arch, because has was able to see what a shitty situation Arch was put in for this game. 

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11 minutes ago, deech said:

He absolutely destroys our Offensive Line for half of it.  Calls out Baker and Stroh personally.  Then asks why we spend our unlimited recruiting budget on big and slow in the SEC?

When Bobby Burton says “big humans”, he sounds like a fluffer salivating at a Diddy Freak Off. 🤤

When Gerry says it he sounds like someone who has heard about the Freak Offs from Bobby and wants to attend.

When Rod says it, he sounds like he’s repeating a line that he has been told is what will get the listeners excited. The nervous laughter that always follows it leaves me wondering how dumb he really is or if he is just doing a “Beavis & Butthead” bit.

I have never understood why Goosby wasn’t playing RT in the 4th quarter against OSU in January. The OL mismanagement has been criminal this calendar year.

 

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And yet, Sarkisian doesn't know what a mirror is to look at and think maybe he should simplify his shit like everyone else, and we can get some talented freshmen out there that just might help out. A la that freshman from UF, Jeremiah Smith, Dallas Wilson, Ryan Williams, so on and so forth. But nope, it has to be difficult to learn. God forbid he put winning first like his job requires. 

Just somebody please tweet CDC about this shit. I'll venmo you $10. 

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8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

People calling for Caldwell have lost their goddamn minds. It is so incomprehensibly stupid and short sighted. Take a deep breath. 

 

 

I'd be shocked if it was a serious thought at all in the staffs minds. If Arch gets straight up benched that means we are in full running around like chickens with their heads cut off level of panic. 

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2 hours ago, TotallyLegit said:

I mean, the dig behind the short route was open.

This is the correct throw. He should've saw that the LB sat. He should've timed his throw for when the receiver passed the LB. 

He is fucking horrible at reading and knowing where the fuck to throw. And even when it's open, he can't hit water if he fell out of a boat. 

In Quinn's 1st year, he looked like shit for a few games but had games where he looked like he knew what the fuck he was doing and was accurate on short and intermediate throws.

At this point, Arch looks fucking hopeless. Not sure he is redeemable. Does Sark jeopardize the program and ride this broken horse next year or does he say fuck Arch go after a quality QB in the portal at the end of the season?

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42 minutes ago, BlackCat said:

... we are in full running around like chickens with their heads cut off level of panic. 

We are already here. Another QB needs to step up so that we can bench Arch.

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7 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

We are already here. Another QB needs to step up so that we can bench Arch.

My point in saying that is benching Arch would effectively be blowing up the narrative that this entire program is built upon. Arch is the centerpiece of the whole deal for better or worse. We could have a QB even better than Caldwell on the bench and Sark would roll with Arch. 

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2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

Not sure how people watched the Florida game and came away thinking Manning was the biggest issue

He wasn't the biggest issue in the UF game. He is still a massive issue. The end of the game shows the depth of his mental collapse. Multiple times, when we were in a hail-mary situation, he had plenty of time to heave a jump ball to the endzone. He couldn't psychologically pull the trigger. He didn't show balls or courage or anything like that. He showed he is a broken young man. It is really cruel that we will put an obviously unwell person in the mix against OU.

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1 minute ago, Josef Pwag said:

He wasn't the biggest issue in the UF game. He is still a massive issue. The end of the game shows the depth of his mental collapse. Multiple times, when we were in a hail-mary situation, he had plenty of time to heave a jump ball to the endzone. He couldn't psychologically pull the trigger. He didn't show balls or courage or anything like that. He showed he is a broken young man. It is really cruel that we will put an obviously unwell person in the mix against OU.

Holy shit, Nancy.  Dial it down a bit.  LMAO.

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7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Holy shit, Nancy.  Dial it down a bit.  LMAO.

Funny thing is people who watched on TV and listened to the announcer are pissing themselves. If you watched live or at a bar without the sound, you have a completely different view. You saw the Film Guy send out tweets hammering Arch during hte game, then he watched the All-22, and sent out a mea culpa to Arch. Murray, who previously hammered Arch, had a similar take in this game. Arch made some errors, nobody said he was great, but the OL and game plan pretty much killed this offense. 

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It's understandable for casual fans to blame the QB for a loss but the regulars on this board should know better. Arch wasn't perfect by any means, but he wasn't the reason we lost. He has improved significantly from game 1, which makes me believe his progression will continue, but the coach needs to give him run game and OL support. His shortcomings are correctible with more playing time and scheme because the talent is there. Same can't be said about the OL and the run game. That's what we should be worried about. 

 

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3 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

His shortcomings are correctible with more playing time and scheme because the talent is there. Same can't be said about the OL and the run game. That's what we should be worried about. 

Well, the run game MIGHT get better if CJ ever returns.

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Arch has to be a lot better at a lot more things, one of those things is his general demeanor and presence. There's no gravity around him, he's taking the media persona too far and needs to figure out a way to become a gravity well who on camera with media presents like someone who is just a humble dude. 

This team lacks leadership. 

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Just rewatched the offense and while Arch missed reads and could have played better on the day. Hero ball won't week in and week out but lets take a look at the situation going into his two INTs in the 4th quarter. The fact we were in the game late and this was not a blow out should give us a modicum of hope that the season is not yet over. 

 

2 and 19 after two consecutive false starts on the O Line. Earlier on this drive he ran for a 1st down on 2nd and 20 after the O Line backed them up as well as a throw I will highlight at the end.   

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1st and 20 after another hold on the O Line. The previous set of downs he and Moore converted t on 3rd and 12 after two sacks nearly killed the drive before it started. 

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Here are a couple of throw missed early that should have been either huge gains or a touch down. 

On an early 3 and out he had two of three passes face significant pressure off the jump. On the first play the only critiques are Endries is open the whole play or to dump to the RB earlier when pressure is felt. 

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Here Mosley beats his man but Arch could not get a clean throw without getting pummeled after Mcclain gets let loose and not picked back up. A quicker throw here may have been completed but WR did his job and the QB made the right read/throw. 

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I could go one for about 20 more of these that were either completed or not but the highlight of the day and the biggest takeaway from Arch's improvement was this pass being being on time and accurate to Moore for a 1st down. I was the biggest Quinn defender here but this would have been a sack last year. If the O Line is going to be a clown show for the rest of the year then this should give us some hope that he can win us some games with this kind of Grit. 

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