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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm calling "The Malevolent Genies" for my punk cover band.  We'll be playing nothing but Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, The Stooges, Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Minutemen and Husker Du.  No Ramones, their release times were too short.

And a punk version of SOS

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1 hour ago, HtownHorn said:

100% right, Livingstone was wide fucking open for an easy throw. It was his 1st read and still didn't trust the play or process.

Feels like his biggest issue is hesitation on 1st/2nd read.

Even the wide open TD was a bit slow for a 2nd read.

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6 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Feels like his biggest issue is hesitation on 1st/2nd read.

Even the wide open TD was a bit slow for a 2nd read.

He's still very green in making pre snap reads, its what has disappointed me the most about him this season. Frankly, I dont think Sark and other coaches did him a favor by telling everyone who would listen how mature he was as a student of the game, how great he is in the film room, how advanced he is based on the number of snaps he's gotten etc. I suppose its my fault for falling for it, but Arch is going to need the entire season to really start seeing the field. Yes, it doesnt help anything at all when you have 2-3 seconds before getting smoked, but there have been plenty of instances this season where the proper pre snap read should give him the information he needs to act decisively once the ball hits his hand, and he just isnt seeing it. It will come but he's gonna need the whole season. 

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29 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You people should really read the thread the post and context of the surrounding post when i made it about roster construction and especially the last part you didn’t include in your replay that suggest that it’s probably a better post in the OL thread. 

 

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39 minutes ago, BlackCat said:

To me, the turning point was against Florida where he seemed to take on a different level of effort and leadership.

This is the point I was making when I said to imagine how the Florida game would've gone without Arch under center. I saw 9.95ers giving him an A grade for this performance in Dallas. I think that's too generous, personally. I have it as a B+ because an A- performance is Texas hitting paydirt in the first half, an A performance is Arch putting up Heisman contending numbers by actually noticing when his receivers are wide open (he failed to spot a couple of those), and an A+ performance is Arch putting up Heisman winning numbers.

His performance in Gainesville was a B/B+ as well. So, for those paying attention (not the national media), the gritty way he gave Texas a chance to come back in the 4th quarter in Gainesville was more of a "turning point." My bad for picking Quinn as the hypothetical alternate QB where we get boatraced due to shitty OL/DL/RB/Secondary play. Should've said Hudson Card.

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2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Should've said Hudson Card

Are you kidding?  Did you see card against bama in ‘22?  He basically won the game for us with his grit, on a bum ankle!  Rabble rabble. Should have said Casey. 

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2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Are you kidding?  Did you see card against bama in ‘22?  He basically won the game for us with his grit, on a bum ankle!  Rabble rabble. Should have said Casey. 

In all seriousness, I will always respect the way he played in that game. The average QB with bad pocket presence and mobility, though? That guy probably takes a bunch of self-sacks and makes bad throws into coverage for pick sixes. The trajectories of games where that happens look very different. They get out of hand very quickly, the team's morale is crushed across the board and if you aren't careful that dejection spills over into the rest of the season

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32 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

This is good mojo. Arch gave Wisner the game ball. 

 

I think this is where his inner circle including people like Peyton and Eli really pays off.  He's had it drilled into him how to be a humble and gracious leader of men, in spite of everyone outside of his circle anointing him as Football Jesus before he ever did anything meaningful.  It would be really easy for Arch to just be a douche.

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm calling "The Malevolent Genies" for my punk cover band.  We'll be playing nothing but Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, The Stooges, Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Minutemen and Husker Du.  No Ramones, their release times were too short.

No Descents, Black Flag, Dead Milkmen, Clash, or Joy Division?

Man.. fuck your elitist ass punk cover band. 

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1 hour ago, South Austin said:

The throw was okay, but what really made the play was the route and catch by one of the greatest receivers to ever play for Texas.

Yeah, its a real shame certain racist posters hate the best Texas WR ever purely because the color of his skin. Shameful! 

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13 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

No Descents, Black Flag, Dead Milkmen, Clash, or Joy Division?

Man.. fuck your elitist ass punk cover band. 

Regarding The Clash:  given my username, you'd think I'd list them, but honestly I never really thought of them as "punk".  They were more melodic and far more astute than most bands of that genre.

Regarding your others:  Henry Rollins just pisses me off (although my daughter's band has toured with Keith Morris' OFF!) . . . and Joy Division?  Punk?  Never thought of it that way.

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17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Regarding The Clash:  given my username, you'd think I'd list them, but honestly I never really thought of them as "punk".  They were more melodic and far more astute than most bands of that genre.

Regarding your others:  Henry Rollins just pisses me off (although my daughter's band has toured with Keith Morris' OFF!) . . . and Joy Division?  Punk?  Never thought of it that way.

Well, I guess I can't argue with your first point. As for Joy Division, they really fall more into the post-punk Synth world with the likes of Devo but as a punk lover I like to include them just to ruffle feathers of punk "purists" because if anyone needs their feathers ruffled its those posers. 

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The offense should be re-designed around the QB run - like a true zone read offense. Play to his strengths rather than try to turn him into a traditional dropback pocket passer. 

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3 hours ago, Derka said:

ewers, who constantly ran for his life when he wasn’t even under any pressure, and who was one of the worst qbs in his draft class when under pressure, would have been completely overwhelmed by florida’s pass rush that day. he probably turns the ball over a few times before getting mauled and injured by florida’s d line.

to quote huckleberry from a bit earlier in this thread, anyone who doesn’t understand that has no idea what they are watching. 

yes that Ewers, the guy that never lost a game by more than 2 scores in 3 years is going to lose to Florida 42-0. OK.

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2 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

The offense should be re-designed around the QB run - like a true zone read offense. Play to his strengths rather than try to turn him into a traditional dropback pocket passer. 

Manning was 15 of 17 for 155 yards when throwing from straight drop back. He was 14 of 15 when kept clean vs OU.. 

He is actually eally good in straight drop back. 

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1 hour ago, JBJ said:

Feels like his biggest issue is hesitation on 1st/2nd read.

Even the wide open TD was a bit slow for a 2nd read.

I think it’s been established that was an ad lib route adjustment after a breakdown in coverage and not a typical “2nd read” hence the apparent “delay”

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2 hours ago, BlackCat said:

Its really interesting to me seeing so many of our fans and national talking heads talking about how this was a turning point for Arch. 

While I don't totally disagree, I think I'd label it differently. To me, the turning point was against Florida where he seemed to take on a different level of effort and leadership. That was about the toughest situation you could put a QB in, and he fought hard on every snap all the way to the end. He had better body language and made a couple of plays that gave you a glimpse of a player with something extra. I am sure his team saw this during the film rewatch. 

This OU game felt like the rest of the team knew they had a QB who leads from the front. Arch got punished against UF and kept asking for more. He has a really long way to go to fulfill his potential, but that was the first time I felt like this was his team. Thats such a good sign. This season is about building week to week. 

I can see him getting better and more comfortable.  he is trying to stay in the pocket, and he moves pretty well in the pocket, but I think Sark let the leash loose a little bit for OU because he knows he needs it.  once game too late possibly.

if we had ANY running game at all we would have had a good chance to beat Florida.

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1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

I can see him getting better and more comfortable.  he is trying to stay in the pocket, and he moves pretty well in the pocket, but I think Sark let the leash loose a little bit for OU because he knows he needs it.  once game too late possibly.

if we had ANY running game at all we would have had a good chance to beat Florida.

if they ran the OU gameplan vs Florida, I think Texas wins that game

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

This is the point I was making when I said to imagine how the Florida game would've gone without Arch under center. I saw 9.95ers giving him an A grade for this performance in Dallas. I think that's too generous, personally. I have it as a B+ because an A- performance is Texas hitting paydirt in the first half, an A performance is Arch putting up Heisman contending numbers by actually noticing when his receivers are wide open (he failed to spot a couple of those), and an A+ performance is Arch putting up Heisman winning numbers.

His performance in Gainesville was a B/B+ as well. So, for those paying attention (not the national media), the gritty way he gave Texas a chance to come back in the 4th quarter in Gainesville was more of a "turning point." My bad for picking Quinn as the hypothetical alternate QB where we get boatraced due to shitty OL/DL/RB/Secondary play. Should've said Hudson Card.

You can split hairs all you want, but I would call no turnovers and 11-12 on third downs with a touchdown an A performance. As inept as OU was on offense, that is still an elite defense that he was having to navigate all day. 

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4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

if we had ANY running game at all we would have had a good chance to beat Florida.

 

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

if they ran the OU gameplan vs Florida, I think Texas wins that game

UF was a program wide failure that very well could cost us the playoffs. The question is will we see another grenade go off like that in a game we are favored in. I'm personally not convinced we are ready to take care of business yet. I think we are about to see the wheels come off for OU. 

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

if they ran the OU gameplan vs Florida, I think Texas wins that game

potentially but to me the biggest difference was we got some(versus NONE at Fla) movement on the LOS in the running game v OU, even with similarly called running plays.

our D didn't show up v Florida also.  if we see the same D we've had all year, sans Fla, for the next 2 games, I believe we'll be ready for the end of year stretch run.  Simpson is probably gonna be a handful though.

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5 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

our D didn't show up v Florida also. 

That's what shocked me against OU.  Their personnel and schemes aren't really all that different than Florida's, but man we handled them a lot better.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

That's what shocked me against OU.  Their personnel and schemes aren't really all that different than Florida's, but man we handled them a lot better.

Fla was in "save the corch/we're pissed" mode, which predictably fizzled against aggy on the road.  It is amazing what angry dudes(which I believe our guys were on Sat as well) can do.

I know it is shocking but 18-22 year old males are not even keeled, mostly.

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11 minutes ago, BlackCat said:

 

UF was a program wide failure that very well could cost us the playoffs. The question is will we see another grenade go off like that in a game we are favored in. I'm personally not convinced we are ready to take care of business yet. I think we are about to see the wheels come off for OU. 

One prediction that many had, that came true is that Florida was going to be a desperate team when they hosted Texas. I don’t know what all that accounts for, but they sure played like an angry and desperate team that absolutely had to win, and it showed. 
 

Texas may have had some of that energy on Saturday as well. 

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42 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

The offense should be re-designed around the QB run - like a true zone read offense. Play to his strengths rather than try to turn him into a traditional dropback pocket passer. 

Yes, any self respecting team that controls its own destiny should completely revamp its offense after 6 games. I’m shocked that doesn’t happen more often 

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6 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Fla was in "save the corch/we're pissed" mode, which predictably fizzled against aggy on the road.  It is amazing what angry dudes(which I believe our guys were on Sat as well) can do.

I know it is shocking but 18-22 year old males are not even keeled, mostly.

I think the Florida game was on the staff. Defensive game plan was just as bad. No idea what was with all the man coverage and contain rushes vs a hobbled QB. Manny being out hurt, which made the man coverage stuff even more perplexing. Lot of max protect and deep routes vs Florida, which I think I saw only 1 vs OU and that led to a sack. 

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2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

One prediction that many had, that came true is that Florida was going to be a desperate team when they hosted Texas. I don’t know what all that accounts for, but they sure played like an angry and desperate team that absolutely had to win, and it showed. 
 

Texas may have had some of that energy on Saturday as well. 

We got Swamped in that game too. They were saving up for Arch just as others will. Very difficult place to play when they're on the same page. My hope is that the team saw Arch give it everything he had in the face of a very hostile environment and ruthless media. They played like it against OU, but it remains to be seen if that was the rivalry game effect or if the team as a whole is ready to play with their hair on fire. 

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14 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Fla was in "save the corch/we're pissed" mode, which predictably fizzled against aggy on the road.  It is amazing what angry dudes(which I believe our guys were on Sat as well) can do.

I know it is shocking but 18-22 year old males are not even keeled, mostly.

Also at home

Then they got a big lead early and had lots of confidence

Also they got Dallas Wilson back and he's a fucking beast and we didn't have Malik Muhammed 

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28 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Fla was in "save the corch/we're pissed" mode, which predictably fizzled against aggy on the road.  It is amazing what angry dudes(which I believe our guys were on Sat as well) can do.

I know it is shocking but 18-22 year old males are not even keeled, mostly.

Yep.  Our OL was bullying ou's DL for a bit

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10 hours ago, Thatguy said:

That's what pissed me off the most. Ewers put the ball on the money. Rarely did guys have to twist, turn, or even break stride on everything intermediate on down. He was so quick to pop a ball out to his check down that he had people here thinking "that was the play call". Sure the freaks like Jeremiah Smith are going in the first round no matter what, but when you are getting all your pass catchers to the league it means your quarterback is playing well too. Matthew Golden doesn't go in the 1st round if he stays in Houston. We took Ewers for granted. Hopefully one day he is appreciated for his time here. Back to back CFP and 2 and 1 vs OU is nothing to sneeze at, and was 1 minute away from Pete the Great status. 

QUIET! I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you, but you'll summon the beast... and this thread will never recover.

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Moving forward I would prefer our schedule change so that we get two P4 games one at home and one on the road before we finish all our OOC opponents. We got screwed over because our 1st two P4 games were both on the road with a young inexperienced team.

G5, home/road P4 OOC, G5, road/home SEC game, final G5 opponent.

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6 hours ago, dcar00 said:

LOL no.  Ewers would probably see the field and D much differently.  he might even audible out of bad plays or change routes.  It was a horribly called game by Sark though.

When your OL plays as badly as ours did against Florida, no amount of play calling can save you.

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4 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Im shocked Derka has shown up here in the Arch Manning thread with a multi-paragraph post shitting on Quinn Ewers. 

well I'm not

my warning came too late i guess

might as well lock the thread

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Regarding The Clash:  given my username, you'd think I'd list them, but honestly I never really thought of them as "punk".  They were more melodic and far more astute than most bands of that genre.

Regarding your others:  Henry Rollins just pisses me off (although my daughter's band has toured with Keith Morris' OFF!) . . . and Joy Division?  Punk?  Never thought of it that way.

Regarding The Clash: 

 

 

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1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

Well, I guess I can't argue with your first point. As for Joy Division, they really fall more into the post-punk Synth world with the likes of Devo but as a punk lover I like to include them just to ruffle feathers of punk "purists" because if anyone needs their feathers ruffled its those posers. 

I have opinions about punk to the point where I could go off like Derka does on Ewers.

ANYWAY... Arch is getting better. Let's fucking go kill Kentucky

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1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

The offense should be re-designed around the QB run - like a true zone read offense. Play to his strengths rather than try to turn him into a traditional dropback pocket passer. 

Oh yes, let's shorten his career to where he takes more hits, while failing to develop him by not teaching him how to read defenses. 

GREAT IDEA!

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On 10/12/2025 at 3:33 AM, Hook1997 said:

He’s literally like 132 out of what 142 on release time with a bad oline…. Can he be good?  Sure but let’s be real that offense is a liability right now and release time is a big part of that.  He literally only throws good passes on the run and when he’s not over thinking.   

Sark had mentioned that the gameplan against Florida was to go deep. When you're told to go deep, your release times are going to be longer. Clearly, Sark adjusted the gameplan against OU and it paid off. As to whether or not Arch can only throw a good pass on the run, here is Exhibit A below. He avoided the pass rush and threw a dime to Wingo from the pocket. Last year, it would have been a sack. Young QBs need game reps. Why is it so hard to grasp for some people?

 https://share.google/eQM0GwO6I1TJ9VyXZ

 

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57 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

That's what shocked me against OU.  Their personnel and schemes aren't really all that different than Florida's, but man we handled them a lot better.

Florida's team is MUCH more talented than OU's on offense. Especially those two running backs; neither of OU's guys would see playing time for us even with the injuries, but Florida's top two would probably be starters. And those guys opened up the passing game, where the QB and WRs are all studs.

Also, Sun Belt Billy's "save my job" gameplan was outstanding. He was making calls that would isolate defenders, so that we had to make solo tackles on space repeatedly. To our defense's credit, we did that a LOT, more than most defenses would; however, being constantly in that situation... all it takes is one guy to miss, and you've given up a big play.

Florida getting that amazing interior DL back from injury also made our OL look even worse than they were. That guy's gonna be a difference maker on Sundays. 

Shame that ol Sun Belt Billy won't coach this talent any better the rest of the year.

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1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

The offense should be re-designed around the QB run - like a true zone read offense. Play to his strengths rather than try to turn him into a traditional dropback pocket passer. 

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>no

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Posted
20 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Regarding The Clash: 

OK, you're talking about two my most favorite bands of all time, but I'll assert that in a street fight The Clash would have left 4 dead dudes from Van Halen.

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31 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Sark had mentioned that the gameplan against Florida was to go deep. When you're told to go deep, your release times are going to be longer. Clearly, Sark adjusted the gameplan against OU and it paid off. As to whether or not Arch can only throw a good pass on the run, here is Exhibit A below. He avoided the pass rush and threw a dime to Wingo from the pocket. Last year, it would have been a sack. Young QBs need game reps. Why is it so hard to grasp for some people?

 https://share.google/eQM0GwO6I1TJ9VyXZ

 

Honestly - several reasons, first he was touted by everyone including insiders as being more than ready, and Ewers played really well as a freshman with no experience. When most thought arch was already better than Quinn the floor raised and the ceiling was blown off. Terrible in hindsight, of course a new guy needs work to be good. 

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OK, you're talking about two my most favorite bands of all time, but I'll assert that in a street fight The Clash would have left 4 dead dudes from Van Halen.

I got high with Mick Jones in 1992 in the parking lot of the Bronco Bowl.
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11 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

Honestly - several reasons, first he was touted by everyone including insiders as being more than ready, and Ewers played really well as a freshman with no experience. When most thought arch was already better than Quinn the floor raised and the ceiling was blown off. Terrible in hindsight, of course a new guy needs work to be good. 

Ewers played one game really well as a freshman. That was the OU game.  He had some real stinkers otherwise. 

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