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30 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:



but seriously, this "simple" take is so fucking infuriating. it

You know what is infuriating?  The fact that people can't comprehend someone with the level of mental decline displayed last week should not be President of the United States.   Everyone with this take is letting their hatred for Trump mask the reality of what would be in office for the next 4 years.   

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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Probably because he feels he's the only person who can beat Trump since he's done it before. If Trump wasn't the candidate, he would've probably passed the baton to Kamala. 

But he's flat out wrong on that.  Plenty of Dems could beat Trump and right now he's the riskiest.

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No Democrat will ever please all of the "independents" or "centrists." You replace Biden, you'll gain some and lose some. But sometimes, even if you hate both candidates, the "lesser of two evils" is way, way, way lesser. That's where we are currently. If you don't like Biden, fine, go vote against trump, who is a legitimate threat to democracy.

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

You realize this is why everyone thinks there's a CR cabal? This guy came in not trolling and not doing a gotcha bullshit trump voter bait to get a rise out of people and you guys are jumping down his throat instead of educating him on why sitting out or voting 3rd party this election is better than the current option they have. 

Whatsthebuck is being a fucking troll which is why I troll bashed him. 

They do it all the time. It’s the same group of 10-20 similarly minded people who just all start bashing on any viewpoint that isn’t 100% positive pro progressive Democratic viewpoints. It’s a bunch of bright people that have no idea they are just as biased and closed minded as all the people they complain about. Been going on for years.  Irony. 

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

You do realize that the people posting here aren't the ones who aren't voting right? There's a significant contingent that needs to vote that are undecided or "checked out". The debate didn't check them in, but come time to vote in November with the choices people will likely just "sit this one out". That's the problem, not that anyone is changing their vote. There's lots of data supporting your position of people not changing their vote etc, it's the people who weren't sure if they were gonna vote or just don't want to vote for either who got further away from turning out. 

Low turnout is going to be a favorable outcome for Donald Trump in key states. 

we just need the same folks who voted for Biden in 2020 to show up again and not a single one of those folks are going to change their vote to the orange guy after that debate.

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7 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I can't for the life of me figure out why Biden even wants a second term unless it's for his traveling circus of a family.

This is exactly why I think he wants to run.  He knows he and his family are fucked if Trump is elected, and his ego won't allow him to put that danger in someone else's hands.

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2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

But he's flat out wrong on that.  Plenty of Dems could beat Trump and right now he's the riskiest.

Of course but hubris has taken down many a man. That's why it would help to have a team that can point out this reality to him. 

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Dems would lose absolutely zero votes if they swapped out Biden.  Please.  They'd only pick up more depending on who it is.

Gretchen Whitmer/Cory Booker would win in a landslide.

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Just now, Longhorn94 said:

we just need the same folks who voted for Biden in 2020 to show up again

That simply isn't happening, point blank.

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

The great middle doesn't see the existential threat that Trump is. They want lower taxes, cheap prices on the goods they buy, to go to work and raise their kids. They don't pay attention to this at the same level or passion as people on the left and right. 

well then they should vote for BIden because Trump will raise taxes on anyone not super rich, enact more stupid policies that led to the inflation Biden has finally tames, and trump will create a hostile violent society for them to raise their kids and work in. Did I mention that Biden's policies have actually created jobs and lowered the unemployment rate? This shit is too easy...

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1 minute ago, StassneyHorn said:

I just let Doggetts office know he’s a dumb mfer

You can too, (512)916-5921

Your schtick was a lot more fun a week ago.

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16 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

We are going to lose this election because people are being whiny cowards, think about this for a second, stop posting, get angry that you are being manipulated by Donald Trump and reach your fucking senses.

Stop allowing panic to set in, stop allowing Trump to terrorize you into making a mistake, and stop being neurotic, you guys are overthinking this.

If the worst debate in the history of humanity did not move needles then Biden falling asleep every single day in front of the cameras will have no effect. You all would rather be right than win, I stopped wanting to be right the minute I argued Hillary was a mistake... in the fucking primaries.

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You want to beat Trump? There’s a rock solid solution. Replace Biden with Niki Haley. JK. Kinda. Not really. She would actually win. JK. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Longhorn94 said:

well then they should vote for BIden because Trump will raise taxes on anyone not super rich, enact more stupid policies that led to the inflation Biden has finally tames, and trump will create a hostile violent society for them to raise their kids and work in. Did I mention that Biden's policies have actually created jobs and lowered the unemployment rate? This shit is too easy...

Well then I guess Democrats and Biden have a messaging problem. They are sitting on a massive amount of cash. Poll after poll shows people don't feel the economy is great. People still feel everything costs too much and they're right. No, that's not solely on Biden but people vote with their wallets. 

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2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Dems would lose absolutely zero votes if they swapped out Biden.  Please.  They'd only pick up more depending on who it is.

Gretchen Whitmer/Cory Booker would win in a landslide.

Gretchen is the best bet because Booker could easily be cast as an East Coast Elite.  Plus NJ is likely safe.  Michigan is a midwestern swing state, as are most of its neighbors... and I like her chances with suburban women.

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true. hopefully there's a shitload more younger folks and a lot fewer olds.

I think what a lot of people are missing is that regardless of party’s lot of regular people just want a candidate to vote for that is neither of these two. I’d vote for Obama again in a heartbeat. As pissed as that makes some people when you get down to it, it’s pretty easy, a dipshit reality tv star with a heavily checkered past and a guy whose mental competence is now in question.
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35 minutes ago, mdmost said:

No, he's not a troll. He represents a reality that some on here don't want to deal with. No, he probably didn't watch the rally the next day. I didn't because I don't care to. I'll vote for the Dem regardless but that's not going to be the case for everyone and this board needs to figure that out. The debate was Joe's moment to show he wasn't diminished. He failed. Now it's all about playing catch up to knock down that lasting image. The perception of the debate is now the reality for Biden. 

people didn't watch him shoot the shit with voters at the wafflehouse at 1am after the debate either. He was grandpa old but he was in his element and did great even had a repeatable zinger "it's hard to debate a liar."

I don't know what happened, I honestly think it's a function of (i) age - acknowledging some kind of decline, (ii) stuttering is coming back (hard to control as you age), (iii) a slight panic attack at the mile a minute lies, (iv) he was coached to be someone other than "look here" folksy grandpa Joe, (v) a cold, and (vi) later in the evening.

But all of us are navel gazing about Biden, Trump was an angry lying asshole. He's not gaining ground on his performance, it was abysmal.

all of that said, I would prefer a different candidate, but I think there is a real concern about the logistical ability to switch - the campaign funding apparatus, the campaign staffing, the intel, and the GOTV apparatus. These things are "owned" mostly by the candidate and built over years, not days. There are also interconnections with other organizations, GOTV non-profits, etc. etc. that will be disrupted to some extent. Biden's campaign, even if you handed it ALL over to the next candidate is not going to simply keep running as is. Switching 120 days out is a very dangerous move.

so in this set of circumstances, I will vote Dem no matter what. Anyone who sees Trump as a threat should do the same, and maybe, just maybe in four years its Kamala or Gavin versus Haley and we can have a real debate about the candidates.

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5 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Dems would lose absolutely zero votes if they swapped out Biden.  Please.  They'd only pick up more depending on who it is.

Gretchen Whitmer/Cory Booker would win in a landslide.

That is not what history says, people would simply argue that they do not know who Whitmer is, GOP would never vote for her and here we are.

The danger is not losing votes, it is people not voting, there are not enough people that have their minds open at this stage.

 

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Just now, BrickTop said:


I think what a lot of people are missing is that regardless of party’s lot of regular people just want a candidate to vote for that is neither of these two. I’d vote for Obama again in a heartbeat. As pissed as that makes some people when you get down to it, it’s pretty easy, a dipshit reality tv star with a heavily checkered past and a guy whose mental competence is now in question.

I would vote for Obama or Romney in a heartbeat.  Amazing we've gone from that level of candidates in 2012 to this shit sandwich.  Idiocracy has arrived well ahead of schedule.

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Just now, South Austin said:

Until someone kidnaps her.

Mentioned it before, I like that she's been through that.  Gives her credibility to talk about the dangers of MAGA.

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Just now, DixonHur said:

Gretchen is the best bet because Booker could easily be cast as an East Coast Elite.  Plus NJ is likely safe.  Michigan is a midwestern swing state, as are most of its neighbors... and I like her chances with suburban women.

Booker would appease black voters who might be upset about dumping Harris so there's that.  Also younger and telegenic.  Otherwise, she'd go with Breshears out of Kentucky.

But yes, suburban college educated women are the motherland of demographic groups even thought they never get counted like various ethnicities.  There are tens of millions of them and they vote like 100% of the time.  A lot of them are borderline horrified at what the Republican Party has become, even the Republicans themselves.   

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3 minutes ago, BrickTop said:


I think what a lot of people are missing is that regardless of party’s lot of regular people just want a candidate to vote for that is neither of these two. I’d vote for Obama again in a heartbeat. As pissed as that makes some people when you get down to it, it’s pretty easy, a dipshit reality tv star with a heavily checkered past and a guy whose mental competence is now in question.

see? this is why it's hard to take you seriously. checkered past? the dude is a twice impeached (should have been twice convicted) rapist felon former president with 50+ more felony indictments to wade through. the other guy is old. same same, again

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1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

Booker as a running mate would be extremely strategic as would getting Whitmer to run to shore up a swing state. Not replacing him is conceding the election. 

What data do you have of this? all the data says otherwise.

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3 minutes ago, BrickTop said:


I think what a lot of people are missing is that regardless of party’s lot of regular people just want a candidate to vote for that is neither of these two. I’d vote for Obama again in a heartbeat. As pissed as that makes some people when you get down to it, it’s pretty easy, a dipshit reality tv star with a heavily checkered past and a guy whose mental competence is now in question.

Biden was literally Obama’s butler

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1 minute ago, linux said:

That is not what history says, people would simply argue that they do not know who Whitmer is, GOP would never vote for her and here we are.

The danger is not losing votes, it is people not voting, there are not enough people that have their minds open at this stage.

 

They'll know who she is.  The election is four months away.  Good grief.  Everyone knows the Hawk Tua girl at this point and she's been famous for a week.

She'll have the biggest media push ever.

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Just now, StassneyHorn said:

Biden was literally Obama’s butler

I think he was way more than that, but I could be wrong.

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the economy is great. people are better off than they were under Trump. the only problems we have with the economy are BECAUSE of Trump's policies and presidency. This election will be about a good economy, lowest unemployment in 50 years, WOMEN's RIGHTS, the fucking supreme court, and oh yeah DEMOCRACY. If those issues don't get the same 2020 voters plus a shitload of people who previously supported Trump to switch sides then we deserve the dystopian future that would be in store for us all with another Trump presidency. 

this is a stupid fucking argument at this point. Biden has had what many consider to be the most legislatively successful 3.5 years of any president in the last 50 years. He has a booming economy at his back and bright future ahead. 

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

They'll know who she is.  The election is four months away.  Good grief.  Everyone knows the Hawk Tua girl at this point and she's been famous for a week.

She'll have the biggest media push ever.

She does not, this is fucking unprecedented, the comfort people have to vote for someone is deeply more intimate than I will just click on a youtube video.

Also the media seems to be in the pocket for Trump, they made double the money under him than they did under Biden, they will amplify her weaknesses and call it a public service to our fucking face.

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see? this is why it's hard to take you seriously. checkered past? the dude is a twice impeached (should have been twice convicted) rapist felon former president with 50+ more felony indictments to wade through. the other guy is old. same same, again

Because I don’t line out why his past is checkered? Because I don’t bash him as hard as you? I didn’t vote for him in 16 or 20, good enough for you?
Posted
1 minute ago, linux said:

would simply argue that they do not know who Whitmer is

People in her state know who she is, people in neighboring states know who she is... and she would connect with independents, like me.  She also has a good approval rating in a very purple state.

I bet she'd peel away a statistically significant number of suburban women who aren't MAGA, but would likely not vote, or vote against Biden.

The choice is clear, and entirely up to the Democratic Party.  Either ride with Biden and have a ~5% of winning or pick someone like Whitmer and possibly move to a ~15-20% chance.

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5 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Biden was literally Obama’s butler

 

4 minutes ago, troph said:

I think he was way more than that, but I could be wrong.

Vice Butler.

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Posted

No shit I would vote for Romney if he was in Biden's place, but Biden got to where he is at by winning elections, the same thing we are panicked on him losing. I was pissed when he crushed South Carolina, the stutterer just wins elections and we want to throw it all away because we are being neurotic and overthinking things.

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29 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

 

That’s surprising.  Doggett is pretty entrenched so you wouldn’t think he would make this move unless he thought it might have an impact.

Quick analysis of the potential replacements:

Harris: positives: semi-incumbent, qualified, well-known. negatives: black woman would drive opposition turnout, and she doesn’t seem to have the charisma to energize her base; not sure she’d show that well against Trump in a debate.

Whitmer: positives: Governor of a swing state, qualified, would likely show well against Trump in a debate. negatives: not that well known, female so might drive opposition turnout, blacks may not turn out for her, no incumbency 

Buttigieg: positives: the most gifted/intelligent politician alive, so would destroy Trump in a debate, lots of upside with potential to win people over with his wit, extremely sharp on policy. negatives: not really qualified, and as a gay man he would be guaranteed to supercharge Trump’s base and extremely likely to turn off the black vote, only very slight incumbency

Newsom: positives: would win a debate against Trump, fairly well-known, qualified. negatives: from a deep blue state which would drive opposition turnout, no incumbency

Others: Pritzker, Beshear, Shapiro, etc.: any of these moderate Democrat leaders could step in, but they would be hard pressed to generate excitement and win swing voters in <120 days due to being relatively unknown

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Considering he’s aged like he drank from the wrong grail the last four years…. In five months he’s going to age five years. This is not going to get better. And oh yeah, it’s a four year job.

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Just now, DixonHur said:

People in her state know who she is, people in neighboring states know who she is... and she would connect with independents, like me.  She also has a good approval rating in a very purple state.

I bet she'd peel away a statistically significant number of suburban women who aren't MAGA, but would likely not vote, or vote against Biden.

The choice is clear, and entirely up to the Democratic Party.  Either ride with Biden and have a ~5% of winning or pick someone like Whitmer and possibly move to a ~15-20% chance.

The last sentence is pure wishcasting without any semblance of reality or historical record, one could argue that female presidential candidates have 0% chance based on history. and like a 1% chance based on primary data.

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Just now, South Austin said:

 

Vice Butler.

 

5 minutes ago, troph said:

I think he was way more than that, but I could be wrong.

Was doing my best 3 year letterman, who is very funny and highly respected here

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No shit I would vote for Romney if he was in Biden's place, but Biden got to where he is at by winning elections, the same thing we are panicked on him losing. I was pissed when he crushed South Carolina, the stutterer just wins elections and we want to throw it all away because we are being neurotic and overthinking things.

Wasn’t the stutter for me at all, it was the mumbling the facial expressions the loss of train of thought on multiple occasions, the mouth agape, the general projection of feebility.
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Just now, Red Five said:

Considering he’s aged like he drank from the wrong grail the last four years…. In five months he’s going to age five years. This is not going to get better. And oh yeah, it’s a four year job.

This was the exact same argument made in 2020. Biden won't even survive until 2024, much good it did Trump then.

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2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Common sense. When has a candidate been replaced 4 months before election?  When has a candidate’s severe cognitive decline become apparent to the whole country 4 months before election?  Until you have data that accounts for these situations, your data is worthless. 

Common sense is the death of reason, its like superstition dressed up in nerd glasses.

Gimme data, or give me history not your common sense, the common sense that Donald Trump should have never gotten to this point is why the system was shit and designed to fail.

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This was the exact same argument made in 2020. Biden won't even survive until 2024, much good it did Trump then.

Biden looked pretty good in 2020, projected strength, spoke very well.
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This was the exact same argument made in 2020. Biden won't even survive until 2024, much good it did Trump then.

If you can’t see the obvious difference, I don’t know what to tell you.
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19 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

This is exactly why I think he wants to run.  He knows he and his family are fucked if Trump is elected, and his ego won't allow him to put that danger in someone else's hands.

That's a pretty selfish reason if it's only about protecting his family. Hopefully, it's also about keeping a fascist out of the White House.

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1 minute ago, linux said:

This was the exact same argument made in 2020. Biden won't even survive until 2024, much good it did Trump then.

That argument in 2020 failed because we all watched the debates and saw Biden hold his own.   Seriously, take a step back and go watch debate footage from 2020 and from last week. It's not even close to the same Biden.

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