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2 hours ago, NoName said:

Zak Brown is a fucking gigantic cunt.

No doubt, at least when Horner acted that what he had a few constructors titles behind him at a team that was built from the ground up.  

Curious what Ron Dennis thinks of Zac.

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I just doubt understand how Oscar's move can just be dismissed as a "racing incident". He turned in hard enough to clearly see the tires physically angled, which is pretty damn rare at speed. And he did that at the widest Turn 1 of the season.  If Hulkenberg wasn't there, he would have clipped Alonso. There's no way he checked his mirrors.

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The Oscar on board was interesting. Oscar was ahead going into the corner, braked first and Lando dove right past him from his inside to his outside right across his nose.
 

Norris has plenty of room to run wider but takes a narrow line doing his teammate no favors.
 

Oscar seemed to lose his cool and tried the switcheroo not giving a shit about the other cars. 
 

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only place Piastri could go would be off track and passed probably by a few cars. Instead he chose violence not letting the Lando dive bomb across his nose go unchecked lol

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7 hours ago, aggie08 said:

I just doubt understand how Oscar's move can just be dismissed as a "racing incident". He turned in hard enough to clearly see the tires physically angled, which is pretty damn rare at speed. And he did that at the widest Turn 1 of the season.  If Hulkenberg wasn't there, he would have clipped Alonso. There's no way he checked his mirrors.

It's very wide on entry. About 120 feet. But it's only about half that wide on exit. Before the track was built, Tavo told me he designed it that way intentionally, as an 'error generator'. He wanted the wide entry to entice people to try different things - potentially unwise moves - and boy has it worked. T1 is truly a masterpiece full of challenges for the drivers. Shorter braking zone because it's uphill. Big bumps (not part of the 'art', of course) unsettle the car just as you begin to brake. Gets significantly less steep just after you begin braking, making the car suddenly lighter in the middle of braking (see Stroll's lockup ... usually they work that out in FP, but there was only one this weekend). Blind apex, so you have to turn in before you can see it. Gets much narrower on exit and falls away to the right. It's a handful.

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6 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

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only place Piastri could go would be off track and passed probably by a few cars. Instead he chose violence not letting the Lando dive bomb across his nose go unchecked lol

Lando drove right in Max's wheel tracks. Oscar could do that cutback on lap 3 or 4 but not lap 1. He should have planned to keep his speed up and stay wide. Doubt he would have gotten passed doing so. 

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So, 6-9 degrees cooler today, wind now out of the north 20+ MPH. Should be interesting to see how this pretty significant change affects the cars and the drivers today. The wind shift should help along the east side of the track (2-11). Might cause some mistakes from 12-19. Could creat some unplanned action.

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I won't be at the race today, but my kid is at COTA on a personal driving gig for a friend of ours in the Paddock. He dropped them off this morning and has to wait around in the Paddock parking lot near the Paddock entrance. He's having a blast meeting and getting selfies with several drivers and other F1 personalities. So far, Fernando, Kimi, Bortoleto, Hulk, and more. I can't keep up. He keeps calling me, all excited. Good times.

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1 minute ago, TonyTexas said:

Fun racing between Charles and Lando

I want Lando to get a track limits penalty so bad.

He isn't a bad driver but he absolutely isn't close to the same tier as Max, Charles and Hamilton, etc

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3 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

Max is a wizard.

Final lap, leads Norris by just over 7 seconds.

Max cospays a wizard with a Grey wig blue cloak and an intricate staff he carved over 3 years and special d20 he bought at comicon.

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2 hours ago, beer said:

Max cospays a wizard with a Grey wig blue cloak and an intricate staff he carved over 3 years and special d20 he bought at comicon.

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42 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Ready for new regulations. These cars are cooked. Can’t recall a more uninteresting COTA 

Yeah there's really not too much to say about that race ... as evidenced by the thread today. A real snoozer. Woof.

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7 hours ago, NoName said:

I want Lando to get a track limits penalty so bad.

He isn't a bad driver but he absolutely isn't close to the same tier as Max, Charles and Hamilton, etc

Ummm, one of these things doesn’t seem like the others.

Daughter started feeling bad right before the start and had to go to the med tent about 5 laps in. The weekend of open to close in the sun/heat caught up with her. Looks like we didn’t miss much. Did get to move my flight up which was nice. Airport was a cluster. Probably going to try a different track next, the setup and the heat were a lot.

 

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31 minutes ago, wood said:

Yeah there's really not too much to say about that race ... as evidenced by the thread today. A real snoozer. Woof.

This thread has been shit this whole year. So many snoozers all year long. COTA usually produces some action but outside the sprint, it was more of the same. 

This sport needs a hard reset. Maybe the new regs do it but I'm not confident.

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32 minutes ago, dieucla98 said:

This thread has been shit this whole year. So many snoozers all year long. COTA usually produces some action but outside the sprint, it was more of the same. 

This sport needs a hard reset. Maybe the new regs do it but I'm not confident.

Yep. Let's go  back in time to about 2012 & show them the future.

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9 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Ready for new regulations. These cars are cooked. Can’t recall a more uninteresting COTA 

 

8 hours ago, wood said:

Yeah there's really not too much to say about that race ... as evidenced by the thread today. A real snoozer. Woof.

I've never followed F1 so I defer to basically anyone on it. My boys are big fans and enjoyed it, but they love Max, so they were thrilled at the outcome of their first event.

I couldn't quite understand the massive appeal, albeit just one event. Partially because of the foregone conclusion, but also the expense vs. experience aspect. To be fair, I've never been into autosports in general.

But from what y'all are saying as far as F1, this is part of a downturn in terms of competitiveness?

Is that just the cars that are unequal or lack of balanced skill among drivers? Both? Something else? Organization issues?

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10 hours ago, dieucla98 said:

This thread has been shit this whole year. So many snoozers all year long. COTA usually produces some action but outside the sprint, it was more of the same. 

This sport needs a hard reset. Maybe the new regs do it but I'm not confident.

If it was just aero regs, I could see it allowing cars to follow and race closer a la 2022, because they don't produce as much downforce/dirty air in year 1 of new regs, but adding the engine change too is likely to create some absurd field spread.  

 

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2 hours ago, gofuckyourself said:

 

I've never followed F1 so I defer to basically anyone on it. My boys are big fans and enjoyed it, but they love Max, so they were thrilled at the outcome of their first event.

I couldn't quite understand the massive appeal, albeit just one event. Partially because of the foregone conclusion, but also the expense vs. experience aspect. To be fair, I've never been into autosports in general.

But from what y'all are saying as far as F1, this is part of a downturn in terms of competitiveness?

Is that just the cars that are unequal or lack of balanced skill among drivers? Both? Something else? Organization issues?

Lot of things are causing the lack of excitement starting with the cars are not suited to most of the tracks they run on these days, mostly because they are far too wide. This is actually a very competitive year, more so than most, and yet it's still one snooze fest after the next where qualifying is THE determining factor in who wins.

Max is a generational talent for sure but behind him, Lewis, and Fernando, I don't think the skill gap between drivers is too big (certainly there is a gap but it's not excessive, I don't think).

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The actual championship battle is actually really interesting now.    So that is fun to read and talk about, the problem is, there is no compelling reason to actually watch the races.   Just wait till its over, look at the standings and see if Max can pull the biggest comeback in F1 history (as far as i know).   He was 100+ points back with 11 races to go.   He's at 40 now with 5 to go and a couple of sprints.    I really like Max, he is obviously at this point the best driver on the grid and has been for a few years.    But if he loses the championship because he lost his head in Spain and decided to ram into Russell, that will also be appropriately just.

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If Piastri finishes outside of the points in one of the remaining races, he’ll have a very good shot at catching him.  He might even be the favorite at that point.  The McLarens have come back to the pack and Red Bull has figured something out where Max is the fastest again at most tracks.

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If i had to put money on it.  I think Norris wins it.   But he is certainly capable of fucking up at any time.   Piastri needs to put this to bed this weekend.    If max puts another 15 points into him, say a 1st and a 5th again.   Look out.

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Max can catch Norris just by continuing to finish ahead of him each race.  it’s Piastri who has to have a bad weekend.

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2 hours ago, kevwun said:

If engine reliability becomes a concern with the new regs, that will add some unpredictability.  

That would help, at least from the viewer's end. Predictability and utter lack of variability is the biggest thing wrong in today's F1 viewing experience imho. After an initial transitional period in 2013 when nthe new regs took place, engine reliability went way up from what it used to be with the V8s and V10s. That's largely because of the draconian engine limits. The idea was to save money, buit engine limits don't actually do that. They might even cost more, because there's no limit on hiow many engines the manufacturers can destroy on the testbed. Because of the penalties their teams would get for replacing components, reliability went way up, as they ran through hundreds or thousands of engines getting the best possible reliability, power output, and efficiency.

Other problems off the top of my head:

- The cars are fucking huge and heavy. They're so big because they're so heavy, and they're so heavy because of the heavy batteries & hybrid PUs.

- Cars unable to follow closely for long. That's not just a symptom of being deep into these regs. They had made great strides but threw it all away because of crying from a few teams, Mercedes in particular.

- Lack of variability in tire strategy

- Too much telemetry data flowing to the pitwall & too much advice/coaching coming from it. 

- Over simulation. Everything is simulated to death thousands of times before the race starts. Very little is left to chance.

- Far too much tire conservation, fuel conservation, systems management, etc, and far too little of drivers just pushing the hell out of the cars. Ibattery status, f the drivers need constant guidance on tire temp, tire wear, fuel status, which of thousands of possible mode scenarios to be in, etc, etc, etc, then maybe the cars are too complex and there's something wrong with the formula. It's F1, not fucking NASA. 

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1 hour ago, VABuckeye said:

The battle for second in Constructors is very close as well.

... and further down, the battle between RB & AM for P6 is very close, with AM trailing RB by just 3 points. Sauber is only 10 behind AM.  Not prestigious positions, but very important in terms of money.

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6 hours ago, gofuckyourself said:

I've never followed F1 so I defer to basically anyone on it. My boys are big fans and enjoyed it, but they love Max, so they were thrilled at the outcome of their first event.

I couldn't quite understand the massive appeal, albeit just one event. Partially because of the foregone conclusion, but also the expense vs. experience aspect. To be fair, I've never been into autosports in general.

But from what y'all are saying as far as F1, this is part of a downturn in terms of competitiveness?

Is that just the cars that are unequal or lack of balanced skill among drivers? Both? Something else? Organization issues?

Yeah, only a few years ago, F1 was much more affordable. Now it's insanely expensive, esp in the US. The Australian GP is the other end of the spectrum compared to COTA in terms of bang for your buck. This year iirc COTA 3-day GA tickets were $429 + taxes & fees. That's with one support series & 2 support races. At this year's Australian GP, you could sit in the most expensive grandstand for less. And that's for 4 days, with F1, F2, F3, V8 Supercars, & Porsche Carrera Cup. 5 support series for a total of 11 support races. Most GP weekends fall somewhere between Oz & COTA. 

Honestly, predictability is a problem most years in F1, but in the past, there was less reliability, more variability, and the cars, the engines, etc were so entertaining in and of themselves, that the predictabilty was something most people could overlook. The drivers were loud and brash, and the cars were louder and brasher. The whole F1 circus was louder & brasher, & not so polished. The drivers poured themselves out of the cars at the ends of races, looking like they'd just finished an Ironman Triathlon. The extreme nature of the racing, with far more pushing than they do now, the cars being twitchier and physically harder to handle, etc pushed the drivers extremely hard. 

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I would argue that Norris v. Leclerc v. Hamilton was some damn good racing for 50 laps, but, yeah, it's been a weird year. You would think a championship battle between teammates on a dominant team would be more entertaining, but McLaren has kind of sucked the fun out of it going out of their way to make it "fair". Max will likely finish third, and he's easily been the best part of the season, just absolute brilliance in a car no one else could consistently get points in.

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