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7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

We aren't making it no matter how hard he lobbies, but I'm glad he's trying.

Its positive on several levels. He's in the middle of recruiting and it always helps to have multiple media stops. Would love for him to be a guest analyst for ESPN during the playoffs. It also helps in his recruiting conversations- they fucked us over, come help put us over the top. I would also hope he would use it as a way to put a chip on the teams shoulder for next season. Glad to see we are being proactive about making noise. 

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1 minute ago, C-Man said:

 

 

I think the sentiment is that the CCG isn't going to knock out a team that is presumably "in" before the CCG is played. Most think Bama is in as of today. If they pick up a 3rd loss in the CCG, it shouldn't be a determining factor in whether they get knocked out. In other words you can only improve your position by playing (and winning) the CCG. Take the Big 10 game this year, it's #1 vs #2. The winner will be the #1 seed and the loser will likely fall to #3 or so.

In theory the committee's rankings are supposed to be blind to the qualification consequences. If you lose big and can fall out of the top four, it should also be possible to lose big and fall out of the top ten.

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Klatt has us at #12 in his CFP predictions and said that Texas has sent everyone in the media a packet stating their case as to why they should be included in the playoffs. So it's good to know they are pushing hard behind the scenes. 

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1 minute ago, BlackCat said:

Glad to see we are being proactive about making noise. 

It's one thing we are definitely good at.   Just ask Aaron Rodgers.

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1 minute ago, BlackCat said:

Its positive on several levels. He's in the middle of recruiting and it always helps to have multiple media stops. Would love for him to be a guest analyst for ESPN during the playoffs. It also helps in his recruiting conversations- they fucked us over, come help put us over the top. I would also hope he would use it as a way to put a chip on the teams shoulder for next season. Glad to see we are being proactive about making noise. 

Next year's team is going to fuck. I am so proud of the growth of this year's team. It was truly maddening to watch them at times early in the season, but they never quit. They fought hard all year long and couldve easily packed it in after the Kentucky OT game or when they got down big to MS State, but they didnt. They are gonna be back with a vengeance next year. 

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1 hour ago, Horndog said:

Painful what ifs to consider. 

1. ND missed a PAT and then aggy went ahead on a last second 4th down TD pass where the refs ignored an obvious hold. That goes the other way and we jump a 2 loss aggy (with zero impressive wins) after thumping them soundly.

Doubt that would have happened. We would still have more losses than A&M, and the committee has shown that is all they care about.

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3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

what do you mean?

They corrected the criteria so that if a team loses their CCG they can still receive a bye, hence why Indiana/Ohio State is still going to get a bye when one of them loses on Saturday.

That wouldn’t have happened last year. We lost to UGA in the SECCG but still should have received a bye because we were still a top 4 team.

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1 minute ago, Pancho said:

They corrected the criteria so that if a team loses their CCG they can still receive a bye, hence why Indiana/Ohio State is still going to get a bye when one of them loses on Saturday.

That wouldn’t have happened last year. We lost to UGA in the SECCG but still should have received a bye because we were still a top 4 team.

But it's still possible for, say, Indiana to lose so badly that it can't be called a top four team anymore and to lose the bye for that reason. As long as that's true, then you can be "punished" for something that happens in a CCG, and I have no problem with that.

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1 minute ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Next year's team is going to fuck. 

I think we can be in a position for some fucking.  But -- and I think ctj touched on this in some other thread -- Sark and the staff need to hit the portal this offseason much better than we did last.  

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People (not here) keep mentioning the close wins with Kentucky and miss state but a lot of teams especially in the sec have close games with bad teams. Didn’t Georgia almost lose to Kentucky last year.

I think we are more deserving than OU. Just by looking at how the teams are playing now. There offense sucks. I can’t believe they won as many games as they did.

But whatever. Better to end the season talking about this rather than how much we underperformed plus we beat our rivals. We just need to win our bowl game so we don’t get dunked on with people saying that’s why we didn’t make the playoffs.

Let’s get some studs in the portal and get into the playoffs no problem next year.

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16 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Slight movement within the playoff seeding should be obvious and expected.  But as much as I have questions about Bama, I don't think they should get punished and pushed out for winning the SEC tiebreaker and playing an additional game while A&M and Ole Miss sit at home.  I think that would set a terrible precedent and likely end the concept of Conference Championship Games (which I think is inevitable regardless).  I can't imagine a scenario where the SEC gets 4 or 5 teams in but the team that finished 2nd in the league is left out.

If we have an expanded playoff with 4 AQ, I hope this weekend turns into SEC #1 and #2 are auto admits and then #3 plays (at home) against #6 and #4 plays (at home) against #5 for the auto bids.  Or have 4 play-in games (1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5).    That would make this weekend must see TV.   

 

Keep in mind Bama is sitting at #10, so slight movement could put them at 12 or 13 and out of the playoffs (assumes they dont move much tonight). My point is if Bama comes out and looks horrible, it should matter. You cannot pretend the game did not happen. It probably means Bama passing game struggled the last 2 games and that would and should raise questions. If Bama comes out and loses 56-0 and you put Bama in the playoffs, that hurts Conference Championship games also.  It is a double-edged sword. Again, the only way I think Bama gets kicked out is if they have a terrible performance. I think that is a reasonable position. Texas moved down because of the game last year, so the precedent is the game matters. Anyone saying that there is no negative ramifications playing in the game has not watched these committees the last decade.  

 

I think we may get some insight with how far they move A&M down. 

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12 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

 

I think the sentiment is that the CCG isn't going to knock out a team that is presumably "in" before the CCG is played. Most think Bama is in as of today. If they pick up a 3rd loss in the CCG, it shouldn't be a determining factor in whether they get knocked out. In other words you can only improve your position by playing (and winning) the CCG. Take the Big 10 game this year, it's #1 vs #2. The winner will be the #1 seed and the loser will likely fall to #3 or so.

This, which is magnified by the 4-way tie atop the SEC. As of today all 4 are in the playoff. You can't "punish" Bama after they won the tiebreaker which was based on in-conference strength of schedule. "Hey, we're gonna make your SOS even harder by putting you in the CCG, but if you lose, you're out of the playoff while Ole Miss and Aggy with lesser in-conference SOS (the tiebreaker) are in." It not only punishes Bama for having a tougher schedule, it rewards Ole MIss and aggy for lesser in-conference SOS.

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2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

This, which is magnified by the 4-way tie atop the SEC. As of today all 4 are in the playoff. You can't "punish" Bama after they won the tiebreaker which was based on in-conference strength of schedule. "Hey, we're gonna make your SOS even harder by putting you in the CCG, but if you lose, you're out of the playoff while Ole Miss and Aggy with lesser in-conference SOS (the tiebreaker) are in." It not only punishes Bama for having a tougher schedule, it rewards Ole MIss and aggy for lesser in-conference SOS.

they shouldn't have lost to a "much worse than Florida", Florida State...or I think that is how this discussion goes but I could be mis-remembering as a famous UT alum once said.

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7 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I think that is a reasonable position. Texas moved down because of the game last year, so the precedent is the game matters. Anyone saying that there is no negative ramifications playing in the game has not watched these committees the last decade.  

I would love to see what they do if Bama is completely non-competitive and the game is essentially over by the 2nd quarter.  Would be interesting for sure.

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1 minute ago, 'stache said:

This, which is magnified by the 4-way tie atop the SEC. As of today all 4 are in the playoff. You can't "punish" Bama after they won the tiebreaker which was based on in-conference strength of schedule. "Hey, we're gonna make your SOS even harder by putting you in the CCG, but if you lose, you're out of the playoff while Ole Miss and Aggy with lesser in-conference SOS (the tiebreaker) are in." It not only punishes Bama for having a tougher schedule, it rewards Ole MIss and aggy for lesser in-conference SOS.

This is kind of what Ohio State, Oregon, and Tennessee benefited from last season. It's unavoidable. CCG is high risk and high reward. If you're from a good conference, most of the time you should be good enough that even if you lose you won't drop out of the playoff. However, if you underperform in such a game while being a bubble team? Why should the committee ignore that? Surely there is precedent in the men's basketball tourney where a bubble team shits the bed in their conference tourney and gets left out for that reason. It makes less sense to ignore on-field evidence of a team's quality than it would to "punish" a team who makes a CCG for demonstrating that they are not one of the ten/twelve/whatever "best" at large teams.

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Just now, Skipper said:

I would love to see what they do if Bama is completely non-competitive and the game is essentially over by the 2nd quarter.  Would be interesting for sure.

 

While I don’t think we are getting in, I think this is probably the only path for us. 

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8 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I would love to see what they do if Bama is completely non-competitive and the game is essentially over by the 2nd quarter.  Would be interesting for sure.

that is my point. I should have also pointed out that Bama is at #10. They are in by the skin of their teeth right now. It is not like the committee ranked them like they are a lock for the playoffs and I cannot imagine the committee moving them up based on the Auburn performance. That said if they put A&M behind Bama tonight, the single digit chance for Texas is dead. 

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1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

that is my point. I should have also pointed out that Bama is at #10. They are in by the skin of their teeth right now. It is not like the committee ranked them lock they are a lock for the playoffs and I cannot imagine the committee moving them up based on the Auburn performance. That said if they put A&M behind Bama tonight, the single digit chance for Texas is dead. 

If any of the committee actually saw their performance against Auburn, they'd really use a loss to UGA on Saturday to cut them loose.   

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1 hour ago, 'stache said:

There is no way they'd punish a team for making and losing the SEC CG regardless of the margin. Ole Miss and Aggy are in with one conference loss. Bama would be in if they lost the tiebreaker and were resting this weekend. Leaving them out would set an even worse precedent than the UT losing to No. 1 tOSU situation. Maybe if CCG's were officially going to end soon but they are still trying to make those games meaningful and sure af can't let someone be negatively affected especially a blueblood like Bama.

What if they got boat raced and had a huge injury, for example a QB go down? 

They can do whatever they want. Last year it was clear that neither team in SEC/Big 10 championship game was punished, but Texas lost in an overtime game in Atlanta. 

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2 hours ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

[Playing Devil's advocate] But Bama beat UGA on the road and Texas didnt. And they also will have 1 more win than we do. And Texas went to OT with two teams and Bama didnt.

That one more win is a 3-9 FCS team, or another bye week.  While no overtime, all SEC Road games were one score games. If Bama loses, committee has to look at it all.  

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4 hours ago, immamac said:

I mean bama was precariously close to losing to auburn. The loss to Oklahoma is pretty bad, but they beat Georgia and that counts for something. We beat a&m and it is going to count for something. 

If the committee wants to fuck around and find out on the Ohio State loss that's what we are going to see play out. This is as cut and dry of a situation to set precedent as possible. If they want these types of games to continue they put Texas in. If they want everyone to cancel ooc matchups outside the playoffs they will have Texas be the first team out. 

 

This. The policies you establish will create an incentive structure that leads to certain behaviors, whether you intend them or not. If we get left out I’d like to see CDC hold a press conference and announce we are canceling the home at home with Notre Dame  and replacing it with a home at home against a scrub program in a nice location or just have three home “buy” games against cupcakes. Draw a line under the cause and effect for everyone to see. He should probably be telling that to committee members sub rosa right now. 

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Not sure why you quoted my post, as I sure as shit have not advocated for keeping difficult OOC games if the committee is going to punish those Ls. If a big OOC loss doesn't hurt you, as advertised, keep them. Otherwise, it's obvious they should go and the committee will have fucked up things further in allowing that to happen. 


Call it a Monday after a long weekend of traveling moment. I meant to reply to someone else but copied you. I think it taking 48 hours and selling shower curtain rings to get back to Chicago has broken my brain. 

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1 minute ago, Newy25 said:


Call it a Monday after a long weekend of traveling moment. I meant to reply to someone else but copied you. I think it taking 48 hours and selling shower curtain rings to get back to Chicago has broken my brain. 

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I made the mistake of telling an Aggie that I didn’t think that ND deserved to be in the playoff. I wasn’t thinking about how much stock they put in that win. 
When he went nuts about it, I followed up with that I thought we deserved to go to the playoff more than A&M did because ND wasn’t that good of a win and that the only SEC opponent they played over .500 was us and we kicked their ass. 
I doubt this guy will ever talk to me again.  Their cold comfort for losing Friday is that we won’t make the playoff. 

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37 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Assuming we don't have a realistic path once rankings released tomorrow, I'm absolutely rooting for BYU, Bama, and Duke. Let's just have mass chaos and blow the current structure up.

You should root for duke regardless because it could cause ACC to not get a single team in 

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3 hours ago, TejasPedro said:


What else is there to discuss

I miss the old days where we could fill times like this with algorithms, coach’s biases in ranking and the 0.001 change in computer rankings that could result if Syracuse wins and Oregon State loses. 
 

After all, it was quantified and open, and we could do all kinds of scenario analyses to come up with probability distributions. Now, it is just a bunch of old people discussing behind closed doors. No fun at all. 

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26 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

But it's still possible for, say, Indiana to lose so badly that it can't be called a top four team anymore and to lose the bye for that reason. As long as that's true, then you can be "punished" for something that happens in a CCG, and I have no problem with that.

 

23 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Keep in mind Bama is sitting at #10, so slight movement could put them at 12 or 13 and out of the playoffs (assumes they dont move much tonight). My point is if Bama comes out and looks horrible, it should matter. You cannot pretend the game did not happen. It probably means Bama passing game struggled the last 2 games and that would and should raise questions. If Bama comes out and loses 56-0 and you put Bama in the playoffs, that hurts Conference Championship games also.  It is a double-edged sword. Again, the only way I think Bama gets kicked out is if they have a terrible performance. I think that is a reasonable position. Texas moved down because of the game last year, so the precedent is the game matters. Anyone saying that there is no negative ramifications playing in the game has not watched these committees the last decade.  

 

I think we may get some insight with how far they move A&M down. 

 

19 minutes ago, 'stache said:

This, which is magnified by the 4-way tie atop the SEC. As of today all 4 are in the playoff. You can't "punish" Bama after they won the tiebreaker which was based on in-conference strength of schedule. "Hey, we're gonna make your SOS even harder by putting you in the CCG, but if you lose, you're out of the playoff while Ole Miss and Aggy with lesser in-conference SOS (the tiebreaker) are in." It not only punishes Bama for having a tougher schedule, it rewards Ole MIss and aggy for lesser in-conference SOS.

What @'stache said. Basically, the CCG game can -- and will -- effect your seeding in the top 12 but playing that extra game shouldn't knock you out of the 12 no matter what happens.

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11 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

 

What @'stache said. Basically, the CCG game can -- and will -- effect your seeding in the top 12 but playing that extra game shouldn't knock you out of the 12 no matter what happens.

WHy? Bama's SEC opponents had a 32-32 record this year and Texas opponents were 35-29. OU was 35-29. Alabama benefitted from an easier SEC schedule. It is not like all SEC teams play the same SEC schedule. I know it is crazy to think that you should look at every game a team plays. Again, the committee has Bama as the last team in currently. (used AI for these, so apologize if anything is off, but you get the pt.)

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24 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

This is kind of what Ohio State, Oregon, and Tennessee benefited from last season. It's unavoidable. CCG is high risk and high reward. If you're from a good conference, most of the time you should be good enough that even if you lose you won't drop out of the playoff. However, if you underperform in such a game while being a bubble team? Why should the committee ignore that? Surely there is precedent in the men's basketball tourney where a bubble team shits the bed in their conference tourney and gets left out for that reason. It makes less sense to ignore on-field evidence of a team's quality than it would to "punish" a team who makes a CCG for demonstrating that they are not one of the ten/twelve/whatever "best" at large teams.

The problem with this is that Bama isn't considered a "bubble team" at this point. The SEC is the strongest conference in the nation this season and the two teams that play in the CCG are getting in. Period.

You can't compare this to basketball because the method for determining conference champ is one game between the "top" two teams -- not everybody in the conference in a seeded tournament format.

So if Duke wins, that opens the door up for a second G5 school to get in. Does it have to work that way? Or does that open the door for Texas to sneak in?

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

please explain this. Georgia moved up last year beating Texas in a conference championship game. They jumped Texas, so Texas moved down and Georgia moved up. That is clear evidence that CC games do count. If Bama loses in a tight game, it does not matter. If Georgia boat races them, it is a different situation. Then there is the injury situation that could be an issue, which we have seen. I do not think Texas is getting in. I think it is a single digit chance, but the idea that CCG do not matter is incorrect

Georgias resume got better because they beat us. Ours got worse because of that.   
 

In the committees eyes, bama is second place in the sec. They will be slotted as sec team 2

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4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

WHy? Bama's SEC opponents had a 32-32 record this year and Texas opponents were 35-29. OU was 35-29. Alabama benefitted from an easier SEC schedule. It is not like all SEC teams play the same SEC schedule. I know it is crazy to think that you should look at every game a team plays. Again, the committee has Bama as the last team in currently. (used AI for these, so apologize if anything is off, but you get the pt.)

Because they'll be the SEC runner-up. That's it. That's the reason.

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20 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You should root for duke regardless because it could cause ACC to not get a single team in 

That doesn't open up any spots though, right? The rule is "the five conference champions ranked highest by the CFP selection committee, plus the next seven highest-ranked schools." So it would be the SEC Champ, BIG Champ, Big XII Champ, then AAC champ (UNT/Tulane), and SBC Champ (JMU). I guess the question is, if Troy somehow beat JMU, do they get in, or do the words "ranked highest by the CFP selection committee" require that the champ be in the Top 25 since that's as high as the CFP poll ranks. I don't see any contingencies if only 4 of the conference champs are ranked. I doubt it matters though since JMU will almost certainly roll and are already ranked. (Edit: I was thinking AP poll, if JMU wins though I bet they crack the top 25).

 

 

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1 minute ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Georgias resume got better because they beat us. Ours got worse because of that.   
 

In the committees eyes, bama is second place in the sec. They will be slotted as sec team 2

If Georgia beats them as bad as us then we are equal to Alabama in record. We’ll both have a bad loss but we’ll have a better resume overall 

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5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

WHy? Bama's SEC opponents had a 32-32 record this year and Texas opponents were 35-29. OU was 35-29. Alabama benefitted from an easier SEC schedule. It is not like all SEC teams play the same SEC schedule. I know it is crazy to think that you should look at every game a team plays. Again, the committee has Bama as the last team in currently. (used AI for these, so apologize if anything is off, but you get the pt.)

I looked at it this morning and my napkin math had Texas opponnents at 31-33 compared to 32-32 for Bama. The only difference at all between bama and texas really is that we played OSU and they did not. Had we played Oregon State or something we would both be 10-2 and have pretty much the same resume

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5 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Georgias resume got better because they beat us. Ours got worse because of that.   
 

In the committees eyes, bama is second place in the sec. They will be slotted as sec team 2

Yes, resumes changed after the conference championship game. That is what I have been saying, glad you agree 

 

currently the committee does not have Bama as the #2 SEC team 

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

WHy? Bama's SEC opponents had a 32-32 record this year and Texas opponents were 35-29. OU was 35-29. Alabama benefitted from an easier SEC schedule. It is not like all SEC teams play the same SEC schedule. I know it is crazy to think that you should look at every game a team plays. Again, the committee has Bama as the last team in currently. (used AI for these, so apologize if anything is off, but you get the pt.)

aggy should be sweating this more than Bama but they're not. aggy's SEC opponents were a combined 18-43 in the SEC this season.

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