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1 minute ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

Here's the issue I have when people say this. Ohio State has a 77% win rate at the horseshoe. More often than not, you're going to walk in there and lose that game. Our best team ever fought for their lives to walk out with a three point win (2005 Texas) so this whole "just win" narrative is low key dumb as fuck. 

It is not a narrative. It is rebuttal to those stating as fact that there was no benefit to playing Ohio State. It simply isn't true. Not arguing the percentages of the outcome, but a win there would always be beneficial, no matter what arguments are being put forth now.

It takes two to make the schedule. Ohio State apparently was fine scheduling Texas. We had Georgia on the schedule before the SEC move was announced, right? We scheduled Alabama, we scheduled Michigan. We should default to being the frightened ones on the ledger?

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Me? I want don't want anyone to pick. Cut that shit out. It's silly.

Well somebody has to pick. This isn't the NFL.

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6 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Every P4 champion gets an automatic bid, and the highest-ranked G5 gets an automatic bid.

Not that it really matters effectively, but technically this is not how it works. The only truly automatic bid is the G5 one. Real (albeit longshot) scenarios have existed this season where 2 G5 champs could have been higher ranked than the ACC champ depending on the outcome of a few games which would have resulted in only 3 P4 champs getting bids.

I think theoretically it's still possible if Duke manages to win the ACC in an ugly game or something.

e: Also, it seems highly unlikely that Tech drops out of the CFP even if we somehow manage to lose to BYU. 

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2 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

Me? None. I want the playoffs to go to 16 and pick the 16 best teams not the 16 best records.

Same. Go to 16 and we keep being Texas and playing marquee matchups. 
 

if we lose 3 conference and ND, games we really don’t deserve it. 

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7 minutes ago, Richter said:

Some people are saying exactly that.  Maybe it isn’t your position.  However the other two losses are an exhibition against a non conference perineal power house opponent that we volunteered for and a perineal powerhouse conference team, both on the road.  Both those teams have consistently ranked high in recruiting and recently won national titles.  No team, except possibly Bama, would be favored to win a game against either team.

"Perineal powerhouse" is a new one. Sounds like an ad for a scene from Tushy

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Just now, Drew said:

Maybe but it’s not a better resume.  Not close actually if you break it down  

Aggie for us and Georgia for them. 
 

We lost to Florida and them to FSU. 
 

they beat vandy and so did we.  
 

they loss to OU and we beat OU by double digits.  
 

They didn’t play OSU on top of all that.  
 

our resume is actually better. And I’ll contend if they lose to Georgia, That they should be in danger of falling out with 3 losses. 

In your scenario we don't have a osu loss to lean on. Alabama would be ranked above us with no plausible path for them to drop 

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

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Damn, UGA and Bama in the same season. Brutal. Glad we are playing Michigan that year lol. Next year we should be at 2 losses or less on that schedule even factoring in a possible loss to OSU. 

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12 minutes ago, Drew said:

It’s not when we’re talking the future.

do you not understand? My argument is we have to change it for the future until they expand the playoffs or account for those games as other then just plain losses. 

They will expand the playoffs pretty soon because it pays everybody well, network included.

I don't want us scheduling the Colorado School for Blind Basket Weavers because we dropped a game to Florida that we shouldn't have.

The Ohio State game had a lot of benefits that beating the fuck out of the University of California - Ferndale would not get us.

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It’s really amazing to me absolutely nothing fell our way in any game we wanted after we lost to Georgia.

we’re left with our only hope being the TV execs pulling the committee aside and saying “you had your fun the last month. Here is how it’s going to be now. We can’t have the entire first month of the season be garbage football across the entire sport.” 

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2 minutes ago, Drew said:

Yes. All of them if the committee is going to treat them as the same losses as Florida.  If you get 2 losses max then they should not be scheduling toss up games. 

I don't think we're cancelling Ohio State, Michigan, or Notre Dame. ASU is 2032 and 2033. I can see us coming to some sort of agreement with those games.

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2 minutes ago, naija said:

It is not a narrative. It is rebuttal to those stating as fact that there was no benefit to playing Ohio State. It simply isn't true. Not arguing the percentages of the outcome, but a win there would always be beneficial, no matter what arguments are being put forth now.

It takes two to make the schedule. Ohio State apparently was fine scheduling Texas. We had Georgia on the schedule before the SEC move was announced, right? We scheduled Alabama, we scheduled Michigan. We should default to being the frightened ones on the ledger?

It IS true then that loss matters the same amount as the Florida loss. There is no difference.  
 

and wining that game would make very little difference in our ranking as 2 loss team.  We’d still have a home playoff game either way. 
 

beat OSU and lose to Florida it’s the same thing a drhe reverse. This comitiee has shown you the losses matter. Not the wins. Or even who you play. 

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Just now, atomheartbevo said:

They will expand the playoffs pretty soon because it pays everybody well, network included.

I don't want us scheduling the Colorado School for Blind Basket Weavers because we dropped a game to Florida that we shouldn't have.

The Ohio State game had a lot of benefits that beating the fuck out of the University of California - Ferndale would not get us.

What benefits is that?

Posted (edited)
14 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Well us getting left out maybe moves it to a 16 team playoff and it won't matter if we have 3 losses going forward. 

Can't wait till the rage filled arguments 5 years from now when a 4-loss Texas/Bama/tOSU gets left out because of a marquee non-conference loss.

"The SEC and Big-10 need to break away and form their own league if the NCAA doesn't expand to 24 teams or get their shit together!  Biggest travesty in the history of the world!!!"

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Just now, UTexasFight said:

It’s really amazing to me absolutely nothing fell our way in any game we wanted after we lost to Georgia.

we’re left with our only hope being the TV execs pulling the committee aside and saying “you had your fun the last month. Here is how it’s going to be now. We can’t have the entire first month of the season be garbage football across the entire sport.” 

The dirty little secret of college football is that the vast majority of games are dreadful.

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Just now, David Dennison said:

I don't think we're cancelling Ohio State, Michigan, or Notre Dame. ASU is 2032 and 2033. I can see us coming to some sort of agreement with those games.

System will be radically different by then. 

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There are moments where I worry that our University is headed in a direction that will degrade the value of the diploma, and then I read threads like this and realize there’s nothing to worry about: we already produce a weapons grade number of fucking morons when it comes to critical thinking.

The fact that many of the same posters making the “just win” argument are also saying we shouldn’t dilute our OOC schedule is a wild display of not understanding how anything works.

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

In your scenario we don't have a osu loss to lean on. Alabama would be ranked above us with no plausible path for them to drop 

Even without OSU we’d have a better resume than Bama.  2-2 vs top 10 teams.  Both the wins over top 8 teams and the win over a common opponent they lost to at home.  
 

so we’d still be above them if played and beat wake forest instead of OSU. imo. 

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4 minutes ago, naija said:

It is not a narrative. It is rebuttal to those stating as fact that there was no benefit to playing Ohio State. It simply isn't true. Not arguing the percentages of the outcome, but a win there would always be beneficial, no matter what arguments are being put forth now.

It takes two to make the schedule. Ohio State apparently was fine scheduling Texas. We had Georgia on the schedule before the SEC move was announced, right? We scheduled Alabama, we scheduled Michigan. We should default to being the frightened ones on the ledger?

It's not about being frightened, there are no cowards in this program. It's about percentages and probabilities. If you don't believe me, look at our all time record against Oklahoma then look at our all time record against Baylor. You'll find your answer there. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, GreenspointTexas said:

16 team playoff is 8-10 teams too many

Seriously. There’s a max of 5 teams with a chance to actually win this thing this year. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

Not that it really matters effectively, but technically this is not how it works. The only truly automatic bid is the G5 one. Real (albeit longshot) scenarios have existed this season where 2 G5 champs could have been higher ranked than the ACC champ depending on the outcome of a few games which would have resulted in only 3 P4 champs getting bids.

I think theoretically it's still possible if Duke manages to win the ACC in an ugly game or something.

Are you sure?

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2024/5/29/12-team-format.aspx

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The 12 participating teams will be the five conference champions ranked highest by the CFP selection committee, plus the next seven highest-ranked schools.

Shit, I guess you are right. They aren't obliged to grant a bid to the ACC champ unless no more than four other conference's champions are ranked higher. If Duke beats UVA it's possible that two G5 champs would be ranked higher than Duke in the final rankings and that there would be no representative from the ACC, or that the only representative would be Miami.

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9 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

OSU hasnt played a game where they have been outgained. We did. They havent been held under 24 at any point this season, we held them to 14. And they havent won a single game by less than 18, other than against us. We wouldve beaten anyone else in the country in that game. 


Did you watch us play this year especially on the road? Heck we struggled at home against the 3 cupcakes we played after OSU.  You speak as if OSU was our only loss.  Hell half of this board was ready to fire Sark this year based on how badly we were playing.  

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Posted
2 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

We have played them 3 times in 2 years. Aggies have played them 1 time in 15 years. Bullshit. 

Well to be fair A&M hid in the west division and never made it to the championship game where Georgia was waiting year after year 

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24 minutes ago, naija said:

If Texas was a 2-loss team, and the losses were to Ohio State and Georgia, we would be ahead of every 2 loss team, and likely some 1-loss teams like BYU. Let's use Alabama as an example since they keep coming up. It wouldn't even be a debate. Would be the highest seed of those and whatever potential benefit comes with that. That's what scheduling a hard OCC does for you. If the losses were Florida and Georgia, and we had beat Rice instead of playing Ohio State, then you'd be seeing a debate as to where we'd fall within the pack of 2-loss teams, and yes we'd still be in the playoffs, but there'd be more animation about where we go and who we draw. To me, that's the difference. 

we'd be at the top of the 2 loss teams except maybe Bama if it was Florida Georgia.

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I love that I'm about to go to sleep but when I wake up tomorrow this thread will have gotten to probably 55 pages of the same circular arguments that no one can win and no one will yield on. 

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Just now, GTJ1982 said:


Did you watch us play this year especially on the road? Heck we struggled at home against the 3 cupcakes we played after OSU.  You speak as if OSU was our only loss.  Hell half of this board was ready to fire Sark this year based on how badly we were playing.  

You mean we got better as a team week to week, im shocked I tell you. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

What benefits is that?

High profile game, gives the players a real game with real pressure, facing off against some solid offense and defense.

Versus a scrimmage against kids that are not far away from playing at Division II or III or even Jucos.

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Posted
31 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

You're being incentivized to beat teams you ostensibly should. The first sentence is pure delusion, you're not the 2nd best team besides Ohio State, and you certainly weren't in week 1. You couldn't have just "played anyone but Ohio State and won", your offense was a disaster until like week 8.

Like sure, if you'd have scheduled like Wisconsin or something you probably win, and you're probably 10-2 right now. But you'd be just as 10-2 if you had beaten Florida. Ultimately, accountability rests on your own shoulders.

I guess if you want to be laughed at like whiny ass Alabama last year, keep it up.

Even after all that, I still think Texas is good enough to be in the CFP, but what 10-2 team are you going to kick out for them if you're the committee? Hell, if you really want to place blame, place it on the fact that we allow G5 teams in the CFP at all. That's the real thing fucking you. Not the teams ahead of you that did nothing wrong except win most or all of the games they were supposed to.

We’re in the SEC.  Besides OSU and the other SEC teams, can you name very many teams that you think we would have scheduled several of years ago that would have beat us?  Maybe Indiana, but who’d have known they’d be so good?   Our offense wasn’t great at first and really still isn’t but that’s an exceptionally difficult game one.  It’s the hardest possible game one.

second paragraph:  right back to the it comes down to Florida argument

I’m not whining or motivated about perceptions, I want to motivate good games and the simple logical choice is that SEC schools have no benefit for scheduling top tier OOC games.  That’s just bad for the sport.
There are several playoff teams that will have no win as good as our third best win and risked nothing in OOC schedule.  Notre Dame being the worst offender.

Posted
Just now, RoyalBevo21 said:

It's not about being frightened, there are no cowards in this program. It's about percentages and probabilities. If you don't believe me, look at our all time record against Oklahoma then look at our all time record against Baylor. You'll find your answer there. 

what does that have to do with the question of whether there was any benefit to playing Ohio State? a win there wouldn't matter? that's factual?

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Just now, David Dennison said:

The dirty little secret of college football is that the vast majority of games are dreadful.

Vast majority is still less than unanimity.

hundreds of millions of dollars in TV deals get spent on the fine line between the two 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

There are moments where I worry that our University is headed in a direction that will degrade the value of the diploma, and then I read threads like this and realize there’s nothing to worry about: we already produce a weapons grade number of fucking morons when it comes to critical thinking.

The fact that many of the same posters making the “just win” argument are also saying we shouldn’t dilute our OOC schedule is a wild display of not understanding how anything works.

PUSSY!

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1 minute ago, mdmost said:

I love that I'm about to go to sleep but when I wake up tomorrow this thread will have gotten to probably 55 pages of the same circular arguments that no one can win and no one will yield on. 

ONLY 55?

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

High profile game, gives the players a real game with real pressure, facing off against some solid offense and defense.

Versus a scrimmage against kids that are not far away from playing at Division II or III or even Jucos.

The scrimmage against Kids has us locked into the playoffs. Even after losing to Florida. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

Can't wait till the rage filled arguments 5 years from now when a 4-loss Texas/Bama/tOSU gets left out because of a marquee non-conference loss.

"The SEC and Big-10 need to break away and form their own league if the NCAa doesn't expand to 24 teams or get their shit together!  Biggest travesty in the history of the world!!!"

it's the dismal tide

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I have given up all hope on making the playoffs but would love to scroll twitter on Tuesday evening to some tears if we somehow magically jump ahead of ND or OU or Bama or something. Better chance that hell freezes over but maybe the Mannings and Sark have some blackmail on the committee. 

Posted
1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

we'd be at the top of the 2 loss teams except maybe Bama if it was Florida Georgia.

doesn't the fact that you had to say "except maybe" speak for itself as to which scenario is conclusively better? 

we wasted a lot of time last year arguing about which team drew which in the playoffs and how it was a big deal for some. that's now a small difference?

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Just now, Drew said:

The scrimmage against Kids has us locked into the playoffs. Even after losing to Florida. 

Fine, you've convinced me, let's tuck our tails between our legs, try to get out of those big OOC games and look like fucking cowards.

Because that's exactly what aggy would do.

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Just now, atomheartbevo said:

Fine, you've convinced me, let's tuck our tails between our legs, try to get out of those big OOC games and look like fucking cowards.

Because that's exactly what aggy would do.

For what it is worth, I think we will beat OSU at home next year. We get a warmup game this time thankfully. 

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Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, naija said:

what does that have to do with the question of whether there was any benefit to playing Ohio State? a win there wouldn't matter? that's factual?

That win is much harder to come by and despite your belief of it wielding some super rankings boost (it doesn't) the cost/reward of it just isn't there. You do understand Texas has three top 10 wins, right? It's currently doing fuck all for us, despite nobody else having anything close to that. 

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1 minute ago, Richter said:

We’re in the SEC.  Besides OSU and the other SEC teams, can you name very many teams that you think we would have scheduled several of years ago that would have beat us?  Maybe Indiana, but who’d have known they’d be so good?   Our offense wasn’t great at first and really still isn’t but that’s an exceptionally difficult game one.  It’s the hardest possible game one.

Brother, if you actually believe that only OSU (maybe Indiana) and every other SEC team are the only teams capable of beating you in week 1, you are so delusional you might actually need psychotherapy.

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Just now, Brian Fantana said:

Brother, if you actually believe that only OSU (maybe Indiana) and every other SEC team are the only teams capable of beating you in week 1, you are so delusional you might actually need psychotherapy.

I didnt say capable of.  I said likely.

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