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Trump suggests Ukraine 'play offensive' as Russia downplays prospect of Putin-Zelenskyy summit
Trump said it's "hard" to "win a war without attacking an invaders country."

ByMichelle Stoddart and Patrick Reevell
August 21, 2025, 7:02 PM
Amid Russian resistance to his peacemaking efforts, President Donald Trump on Thursday appeared to suggest Ukraine go on the offensive militarily.
In a post to his social media platform, Trump criticized former President Joe Biden's approach to the conflict, claiming Biden "would not let Ukraine FIGHT BACK, only DEFEND."
"It is very hard, if not impossible, to win a war without attacking an invaders country. It’s like a great team in sports that has a fantastic defense, but is not allowed to play offensive. There is no chance of winning!" Trump wrote.
Biden last year reversed a long-standing policy and authorized Ukraine to use American-supplied ATACM long-range missiles to strike inside of Russia, but before that the administration had blocked strikes inside of Russia, only allowing the Ukrainian military to use shorter-range missiles to strike in Ukrainian territory seized by Russia.
Trump long opposed allowing Ukraine to strike Russia, heavily criticizing Biden for authorizing it and as President he has appeared to discourage it as escalatory.
But Trump has recently taken an interest in the possibility of Ukrainian strikes deep into Russia. has taken interest in the possibility of Ukrainian strikes deep into Russia. The White House confirmed July reports that Trump discussed with Zelenskyy whether Ukraine would be able to strike St. Petersburg and Moscow with U.S.-supplied weapons. But the White House insisted that Trump was "asking a question, not encouraging further killing."
It is unclear whether Trump is hinting at any policy change on U.S. support for Ukraine with his post on Thursday, though he did write at the end: "Interesting times ahead!!!"
Trump's post came as Russia's foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, downplays the prospect of a summit between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in the coming weeks. The White House said this week Putin "promised" to sit-down with Zelenskyy, but Russia has not confirmed.
In remarks on Thursday, Lavrov said a meeting between the two leaders could only take place once all major components of a peace agreement are worked out.
“Our president has repeatedly said that he is ready to meet, including with Mr. Zelenskyy, on the understanding that all issues requiring consideration at the highest level will be thoroughly worked out and experts and ministers will prepare appropriate recommendations," Lavrov said.
Such conditions appeared to make a meeting in the near future very unlikely.Like Putin, Lavrov sought to cast Zelenskyy as an illegitimate leader, saying when "it comes to signing future agreements, the question of the legitimacy of the person signing these agreements on the Ukrainian side will be resolved." Putin has taken to not mentioning Zelenskyy by name, instead giving his government the moniker "Kyiv regime."
Lavrov also continued to insist Russia have a role in any security guarantees for Ukraine post-war. He rejected the European-led discussions as "futile."
While Trump projected optimism on Monday on peace talks, he's now saying he'll know whether a deal can be made in "two weeks."
"Well, I'll let you know in about, I would say within two weeks, we're going to know one way or the other. After that, we'll have to maybe take a different tack, but we'll see, but we'll know pretty soon," Trump said during an interview with radio host Todd Starnes.
Meanwhile, Zelenskyy is accusing Russia of trying to "wriggle out" of a meeting.
"Right now, the signals coming from Russia are, to be honest, simply indecent. They are trying to wriggle out of the need to hold a meeting. They do not want to end this war. They continue massive attacks against Ukraine and extremely intense assaults on the front line. And on top of that, they are launching missiles at an American enterprise -- just like they do at many of our other completely civilian targets."
Zelenskyy said he will continue diplomatic discussions with partners and encouraged greater pressure on Russia to end the war, which began when Putin's forces invaded Ukraine in Feb. 2022.
"Each day now adds more shape to the future security architecture for Ukraine: weapons, funding, cooperation with our partners, forces on land, in the air, and at sea," Zelenskyy said on Thursday.
ABC News' William Gretsky and Anna Sergeeva contributed to this report.

Two weeks. Always two weeks.

Has someone figured out that’s how long they need our lizard brains to forget whatever today’s lie is?
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I really cant wait for Ukr to launch a full scale attack at every new airbase within range of the missiles  50 missiles per base kinda shit and watch them wipe out most of the entire Russian air force East of the Urals

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1 hour ago, Chopper said:

I read the new long-distance missile "Flamingo" is being produced at a rate of 1 per day. Next month the goal is 7 per day, on the way to 100 per day. 

If on the sad day the US and/or Europe turns its back on Ukraine, I hope Ukraine has enough missiles in storage so they can fire 1000 Flamingo missiles at once at every commercial and military airport tower and runway, every electricity producing power plant (whether oil, coal, nat gas, nuke, or Hydro), every large dam and every and main bridge over every river and gorge in the entire fucking country of Russia.

And then fire 1000 the next day onto the moldering ruins of what was hit the first day (and any remaining air defense).   Day three should be massive drone attacks in St. Petersburg and Moscow - hitting smaller electrical substations and any banks and government offices not protected. 

If it comes down to an abandoned Ukraine’s very survival, fuck the impact on Russian civilians and the resulting humanitarian crisis. I get why Ukraine has to play by different rules when they are dependent upon others.   That philosophical restriction where Russia attacks civilian targets like apartments and hospitals and energy infrastructure and dams with impunity - and Ukraine can’t respond in kind - should no longer be in play if they are left to their own devices against an immoral Russia.   

i’d pull out my ‘when Trump dies’ bottle of champagne and celebrate. 

 

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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

moldering ruins

 

Moldering means slowly decaying like what would happen with Roman ruins. After attack, it may be smoldering ruins or fragmentary ruins. 

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2 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

Moldering means slowly decaying like what would happen with Roman ruins. After attack, it may be smoldering ruins or fragmentary ruins. 

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…but I will have a stern talking to with my voice recognition software.

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6 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

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…but I will have a stern talking to with my voice recognition software.

The first time my iPhone Siri asked me “How can I help you”, it startled me. 
So I replied, “Siri, shut the fuck up”. 
Haven’t heard a peep out of that nosy bitch since.

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Counterpoint: "fuck you I won't do what you told me" - Zelensky
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/08/24/7527605/
"We're using our domestically produced long-range weapons. Lately, we've not been discussing such matters with the United States. It used to be the case. You remember various signals regarding our retaliatory strikes after they [the Russians] attacked our energy system. That was a long time ago. Today, we don't even mention this."

This is the way.
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Ukraine has knocked out 17% of Russia's refining capacity this month. Steve Rosenberg of the BBC says Russian gas stations are running out of fuel.
 

So tfg will definitely take his foot off the gas. Or more than he already has.
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1 hour ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Ukraine has knocked out 17% of Russia's refining capacity this month. Steve Rosenberg of the BBC says Russian gas stations are running out of fuel.

 

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No  matter how many drones were sent at the refineries, it remains true that demand for Russian gasoline domestically goes up this time of year due to vacations. and more importantly, the harvest season and the high demand for agricultural fuel.

Clearly, that demand will not be met, even if some small percentage of refinery damage is fixed ASAP.  I am not an oil refinery guy, but I can’t imagine that those multiple balls of fire which were refineries can be fixed in a month or two given the lack of foreign expertise and equipment.   

I also assume they will not hit them again until they’re almost restored. If a drone can wreck shop, I imagine ukraine’snew missiles will do a much better job..

 

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I have not one clue whether this is total BS or has some authenticity, so I’m just putting it out here for anyone who wants to track it down.   

If it’s true, we’ll have word by tomorrow certainly.

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The Ukes, clever as they are, might consider loading a bunch of their long range drones “undercover” on several cargo ships to sail all the way around to the Baltic Sea/Gulf of Finland to attack St. Petersburg and Moscow from that direction. 
Or is that too much of a fantasy?

Of course the Rooskies would most likely hunt down those ships to quickly destroy them.

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26 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

The Ukes, clever as they are, might consider loading a bunch of their long range drones “undercover” on several cargo ships to sail all the way around to the Baltic Sea/Gulf of Finland to attack St. Petersburg and Moscow from that direction. 
Or is that too much of a fantasy?

Of course the Rooskies would most likely hunt down those ships to quickly destroy them.

Just like the Russian ships that hide behind maritime laws would be hard to get them before they got out of the Baltic. Not many Russian ships still in the Med with the loss of their port in Syria. 

Fire the drones, pick up some Volvos, etc. 

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8 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Or load them in shipping containers, hire a dumbass  Russian freight company to take them all the way in.  Launch from the dock.

Seriously.  Bribe a Russian captain, tell him you're getting around sanctions.  He gets $5 million now, $5 million when the cargo arrives....unopened and untouched.  He will have already bought $10 million of vodka in his mind when he docks, and the containers' roofs pop off to launch the salvo.

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Seriously.  Bribe a Russian captain, tell him you're getting around sanctions.  He gets $5 million now, $5 million when the cargo arrives....unopened and untouched.  He will have already bought $10 million of vodka in his mind when he docks, and the containers' roofs pop off to launch the salvo.

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20 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

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I have not one clue whether this is total BS or has some authenticity, so I’m just putting it out here for anyone who wants to track it down.   

If it’s true, we’ll have word by tomorrow certainly.

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So I guess this didn't happen....yet?

 

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10 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

So I guess this didn't happen....yet?

Apparently not.  it may be puffery, but if they can produce enough missiles to get to five a day, at the end of the month they can fire 30 missiles at 5 refineries.  I don’t know the technical specs, but I’m not sure Russian air defense can shoot down 30 missiles.

I’d be happy to see five refineries put out of business, and the next month another five refineries put out of business.   

I would love to know the capability of Russian air, defense systems. If they can shoot down 30, or they can shoot down 75, whatever…    I can’t imagine those idiots will be able to stop all of them. And once they find out how many you need to overload the defense, send more than that at each refinery every month.

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1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

Apparently not.  it may be puffery, but if they can produce enough missiles to get to five a day, at the end of the month they can fire 30 missiles at 5 refineries.  I don’t know the technical specs, but I’m not sure Russian air defense can shoot down 30 missiles.

I’d be happy to see five refineries put out of business, and the next month another five refineries put out of business.   

I would love to know the capability of Russian air, defense systems. If they can shoot down 30, or they can shoot down 75, whatever…    I can’t imagine those idiots will be able to stop all of them. And once they find out how many you need to overload the defense, send more than that at each refinery every month.

Agree with all of this.  And there's value in having them chase their tail believing it's happening.  Maybe they shoot down some more of their own aircraft.

 

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On 8/26/2025 at 12:52 PM, Schulz2.0 said:

My bet is that donald JAIL trump would support this idea only so he could sell the plans to Putin.

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From BBC live updates

Among the images emerging from the latest Russian strikes against Kyiv, we’ve been looking at one dramatic clip circulating on social media.

It appears to be from CCTV footage and shows a missile hitting an apartment complex.

We’ve confirmed the building struck was just across the street from the British Council’s office in the city centre.

It’s in an affluent area called Cherepanova Hora which is home to major attractions like the Kyiv Planetarium and Olympic Stadium.

The attacks across the city have killed at least 17 people, including four children, and wounded dozens of others according to Ukrainian officials.

Skyline picture of Kyiv in the early hours of the morning with several buildings (including the EU delegation and British Council ones) highlighted in white with identifying labels. In a circle on the top right of the frame is a blurry image of a missile approaching a white multi-storey building on the bottom right of the frame
 

 

 

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Ukraine's 109th Brigade Aborts Drone Test After Shahed Downed Nearby

 

Reports are coming out from inside Ukraine regarding the battle drones supplied by NATO, with some Ukrainian military officials claiming the drones are obsolete and lagging.

 

The Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, citing a Ukrainian officer, reported that NATO member states are supplying Ukrainian military forces with outdated drones that have little value on the battlefield. According to the officer from the National Guard's Typhoon battalion, these deliveries are unnecessary given that the systems are outdated.

 

He added that it is now Ukrainian military expects teaching their European and American partners the technologies of modern aerial warfare. The officer reportedly explained that his unit is engaging coverting commercial Ukrainian drones for combat purposes. He also admitted that comparred to Russian forces, Ukraine is at a significant numerical disadvantage in combat drones.

 

Russian officials have repeatedly claimed that the delivery of foreign weapons to Ukraine hinders efforts to resolve the conflict and directly involves NATO member states in the war with Russia. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has previously said that any shipments containing arms and military equipment for Kiev automatically become legitimate targets for Russian strikes.

 

The Kremlin has also emphasized that the West's continued support and supply of Ukraine does not contribute to peace and will have negative consequences.

 

When a Ukrainian-made drone attacked an ammunition depot in Russia last September, it showcased Kyiv's determination to strike deep behind enemy lines and the prowess of its defense industry.

 

The moment was especially gratifying for the woman in charge of manufacturing the drones that flew more than 1,000 kilometers (620 miles) to carry out this mission. For months after, Russia no longer had the means to keep up devastating glide bomb attacks like the one that had just targeted her native city of Kharkiv.

 

"Fighting in the air is our only real asymmetric advantage on the battlefield at the moment. We don't have as much manpower or money as they have," said Iryna Terekh, head of production at Fire Point.

 

Ukraine has fast become a global center for defense innovation. The goal is to match, if not outmuscle, Russia's capabilities, which were on brutal display Thursday - and Fire Point is one of the companies leading the way.

 

The Associated Press was granted an exclusive look inside one of Fire Point's dozens of covert factories. In a sprawling warehouse where rock music blared, executives showed off their signature FP-1 exploding drones that can travel up to 1,600 kilometers (994 miles). They also touted publicly for the first time a cruise missile they are developing that is capable of traveling 3,000 kilometers (1,864 miles), and which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy hopes will be mass-produced by the end of the year.

 

Even as U.S. President Donald Trump presses for an end to the 3 1/2-year war - and dangles the prospect of U.S. support for NATO-like security guarantees - Ukrainian defense officials say their country is determined to become more self-sufficient in deterring Russia.

 

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15 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

From BBC live updates

Among the images emerging from the latest Russian strikes against Kyiv, we’ve been looking at one dramatic clip circulating on social media.

It appears to be from CCTV footage and shows a missile hitting an apartment complex.

We’ve confirmed the building struck was just across the street from the British Council’s office in the city centre.

It’s in an affluent area called Cherepanova Hora which is home to major attractions like the Kyiv Planetarium and Olympic Stadium.

The attacks across the city have killed at least 17 people, including four children, and wounded dozens of others according to Ukrainian officials.

Skyline picture of Kyiv in the early hours of the morning with several buildings (including the EU delegation and British Council ones) highlighted in white with identifying labels. In a circle on the top right of the frame is a blurry image of a missile approaching a white multi-storey building on the bottom right of the frame
 

 

 

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