Saturday at 07:15 PM2 days Some of you having zero ability to admit this potentially is a good thing for US interest are as bad as the right wingers who tried to spin the Obama admin taking out UBL in Pakistan as a bad thing. With Trump we gotta take an occasional good with the bad. Devil is in the details for sure though.
Saturday at 07:16 PM2 days Popular Post 2 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:Flip it around. We know what is happening by de-legitimatizing their illegal actions, it's in our face right now. Russia illegally invades Ukraine without giving a fuck about international laws and norms, and China spends each day coming up with new ways to isolate and bully Taiwan on their way towards invasion.This is realpolitik. Sternly worded letters from the UN aren't cutting it, and sanctions are bypassed.It is not realpolitik. It is naked aggression against a sovereign nation to capture their resources. It is clearly illegal and potentially globally destabilizing simply to line the pockets of Trump and his cronies. Don’t be obtuse
Saturday at 07:17 PM2 days And, I suppose it's worth noting that Russia is an internationally sanctioned pariah state for invading Ukraine.We lost a good bit of whatever moral authority we had on that one. And against China.
Saturday at 07:17 PM2 days 1 minute ago, Hook'Em0608 said:Some of you having zero ability to admit this potentially is a good thing for US interest are as bad as the right wingers who tried to spin the Obama admin taking out UBL in Pakistan as a bad thing. With Trump we gotta take an occasional good with the bad. Devil is in the details for sure though.What exactly about this current admin makes you think they are capable of pulling off something as complex as a peaceful regime change?
Saturday at 07:18 PM2 days 2 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:What logically follows if we don't? What happens if we don't advance our interests, in the name of optics and legalities, while the Chinese and Russians do? We weaken ourselves just so we feel better about it?Answering a question with a question means you know you are losing the argument
Saturday at 07:18 PM2 days Popular Post 1 minute ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:You're not wrong, and I'm not a fan of moving away from NATO etc. Unfortunately, through incompetence and atrophy, the world has moved away from following "international law" and the consequences of not doing so have severely weakened. In the current day, we must advance our interests as best we can.What logically follows if we don't? What happens if we don't advance our interests, in the name of optics and legalities, while the Chinese and Russians do? We weaken ourselves just so we feel better about it?I think that Ukraine offered a tremendous opportunity to reinvigorate both NATO and reinforce clear norms in a way that we could use to our benefit and we are squandering jit to run up the score on an FCS team.
Saturday at 07:18 PM2 days 2 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:Some of you having zero ability to admit this potentially is a good thing for US interest are as bad as the right wingers who tried to spin the Obama admin taking out UBL in Pakistan as a bad thing. With Trump we gotta take an occasional good with the bad. Devil is in the details for sure though.Yes, because this administration has such a long and sterling track record of executing plans flawlessly.
Saturday at 07:19 PM2 days Popular Post 3 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:Some of you having zero ability to admit this potentially is a good thing for US interest are as bad as the right wingers who tried to spin the Obama admin taking out UBL in Pakistan as a bad thing. With Trump we gotta take an occasional good with the bad. Devil is in the details for sure though.This is nothing like taking out bin Ladin Where did all these paint eaters come from JFC
Saturday at 07:20 PM2 days Popular Post 2 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:Some of you having zero ability to admit this potentially is a good thing for US interest are as bad as the right wingers who tried to spin the Obama admin taking out UBL in Pakistan as a bad thing. With Trump we gotta take an occasional good with the bad. Devil is in the details for sure though.No one is questioning whether Maduro is a bad guy that Venezuela and the world would be better off without.So was Sadaam Hussein. So was Bashar Al-Assad.We are questioning this regime's judgment in deposing him and its ability to produce a net good for Venezuela or anyone else in the aftermath.I think those concerns are quite valid.
Saturday at 07:22 PM2 days 19 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:The indictment is longstanding, involves multiple members of his family, and has been upheld through multiple administrations, both Republican and Democrat.Link to Maduro’s wife’s longstanding indictment for owning machine guns
Saturday at 07:24 PM2 days 2 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:Some of you having zero ability to admit this potentially is a good thing for US interest are as bad as the right wingers who tried to spin the Obama admin taking out UBL in Pakistan as a bad thing. With Trump we gotta take an occasional good with the bad. Devil is in the details for sure though.Most (not all) things that we do that are good for US interests have broad support, not only worldwide but at home and we work a little bit at seeing them through. I get that Maduro was an asshole leader who was terrible for his people but support for this both global and especially locally when there seem to be A LOT of other things more pressing to your average American tells me we probably fuck up the end game hard on this one when this administration inevitably gets bored with it in about a week or so and moves on to other stuff in their whack a mole approach to governing.
Saturday at 07:24 PM2 days I didn’t expect Macron to endorse this, this hard. Trying to keep the Ukraine discussions inside the lines.
Saturday at 07:25 PM2 days 7 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:Some of you having zero ability to admit this potentially is a good thing for US interest are as bad as the right wingers who tried to spin the Obama admin taking out UBL in Pakistan as a bad thing. With Trump we gotta take an occasional good with the bad. Devil is in the details for sure though.Comparing Maduro to UBL is so unserious it nearly makes me puke. I'm not onboard with a fascist doing fascist things, here or abroad.
Saturday at 07:26 PM2 days 7 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:What logically follows if we don't? What happens if we don't advance our interests, in the name of optics and legalities, while the Chinese and Russians do? We weaken ourselves just so we feel better about it?"Everyone else is doing a lebensraum, WHY DONT WE GET ONE???"Jfc it's a race to the bottom with y'all. You're so eager to jingoistically cheer on ANY American action taken that you're ignoring that we are acting as Russia does. You generally don't want to act like Russia. It's a shit hole ran by assholes.It's just hilarious that people who are so (apparently) anti-china and anti-russia are so SO eager to emulate them. It was never about right and wrong to yall, just that WE didn't get in on the fun
Saturday at 07:27 PM2 days Merz too, basically saying he’s going to put questions about the means on the back burner.
Saturday at 07:27 PM2 days 19 minutes ago, Captainant said:Sorry about your populist/leftist heroes taking the L. They'll survive... maybe. 4 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:Answering a question with a question means you know you are losing the argumentNo, it means I'm pointing out the illogic in the previous point by asking valid questions, that if answered in good faith, reveal the fallacy of the position. 3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:I think that Ukraine offered a tremendous opportunity to reinvigorate both NATO and reinforce clear norms in a way that we could use to our benefit and we are squandering jit to run up the score on an FCS team.I agree. Both administrations have handled the Ukraine war about as poorly as possible.
Saturday at 07:28 PM2 days Just now, MagicSoccerSpray said:No, it means I'm pointing out the illogic in the previous point by asking valid questions, that if answered in good faith, reveal the fallacy of the positionSo answer my question “in good faith “ and I’ll do likewise
Saturday at 07:29 PM2 days 10 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:Wait, they arrested his wife, too?I bet he asked to be in a different cell on the Iwo Jima.“You said not to worry, you knew what you’re doing.”
Saturday at 07:30 PM2 days Just now, MagicSoccerSpray said:Sorry about your populist/leftist heroes taking the L. They'll survive... maybe.What the fuck are you talking about? Are you just blindly repeating the rittenhouse fanclub? I do not have any love in my heart for Maduro, or any other dictator or despot.It's fucking ridiculous that you think that anyone wanted Maduro to stay in power. It's just that when you start breaking the law and international laws and norms, you're opening a Pandora's box. That's BAD. Edited Saturday at 07:33 PM2 days by Captainant
Saturday at 07:30 PM2 days 5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:Link to Maduro’s wife’s longstanding indictment for owning machine gunsHere is a DOJ press release with a link to the 2020 indictment https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/nicol-s-maduro-moros-and-14-current-and-former-venezuelan-officials-charged-narco-terrorism Itself is a superseding indictment. https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1261806/dl?inlineThe current indictment is here. https://apnews.com/the-indictment-against-nicolas-maduro
Saturday at 07:31 PM2 days At least we didn’t blow up one of our own naval vessels to pop this whole thing off
Saturday at 07:32 PM2 days Man, it is something how nobody is talking about how trump worked with Epstein to exploit young girls in Mara Lago for sex trafficking.Great job on that, I can see why MagicSoccerSpray et Al think it's so good for America
Saturday at 07:32 PM2 days 1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:Here is a DOJ press release with a link to the 2020 indictment https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/nicol-s-maduro-moros-and-14-current-and-former-venezuelan-officials-charged-narco-terrorism Itself is a superseding indictment. https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1261806/dl?inlineThe current indictment is here. https://apnews.com/the-indictment-against-nicolas-maduroSo not decades old and all Trump?
Saturday at 07:33 PM2 days 7 minutes ago, Chopper said:Comparing Maduro to UBL is so unserious it nearly makes me puke.It seems to be the current MAGA talking point on twitter.
Saturday at 07:35 PM2 days 20 minutes ago, Captainant said:Our Department of Defense is watching the twitter feed of a shitty OSINT account? No wonder Hegseth never made it above major (and he only got promoted to major in the inactive reserve).
Saturday at 07:35 PM2 days 12 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:The CR7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:I didn’t expect Macron to endorse this, this hard. Trying to keep the Ukraine discussions inside the lines.7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:The Venezuelan people are now free from the dictatorship of Nicolás Maduro and have every reason to celebrate.By seizing power and trampling on fundamental freedoms, Nicolás Maduro has committed a grave offense against the dignity of his own people.The transition that is now underway must be peaceful, democratic, and respectful of the will of the Venezuelan people. We hope that President Edmundo González Urrutia, elected in 2024, will be able to ensure this transition as soon as possible.At this time, I am in discussions with our partners in the region.France is fully mobilized and vigilant, particularly to guarantee the safety of its citizens during these uncertain times.1 minute ago, Captainant said:
Saturday at 07:39 PM2 days Popular Post Hilarious how this event has brought all the shitty neocons out of hiding to praise it.
Saturday at 07:41 PM2 days You morons are going to lose what little is left of your minds when Trump pardons Maduro
Saturday at 07:42 PM2 days Just now, elguapo said:Hilarious how this event has brought all the shitty neocons out of hiding to praise it.It’s not neocon unless it comes from the neocon offices of AEI, otherwise it’s just sparkling imperialism.
Saturday at 07:43 PM2 days Just now, Sawbonz said:You morons are going to lose what little is left of your minds when Trump pardons MaduroNo they won't, they'll say they always thought he should go free and claim """TDS""" with anyone who says different. Haven't you been paying attention to how these fuckers think? They don't. They just okeydoke whatever their orange emperor says and act like it's always been that way.
Saturday at 07:44 PM2 days 13 minutes ago, Captainant said:What the fuck are you talking about? Are you just blindly repeating the rittenhouse fanclub? I do not have any love in my heart for Maduro, or any other dictator or despot.It's fucking ridiculous that you think that anyone wanted Maduro to stay in power. It's just that when you start breaking the law and international laws and norms, you're opening a Pandora's box. That's BAD.Pronghorn is not going to discuss anything in good faith, give it up
Saturday at 07:44 PM2 days Just now, Hank_Hill said:Pronghorn is not going to discuss anything in good faith, give it upOh fuck me, that's pronghorn? At least he finally stopped linking the most insane shit he could find all over surly.
Saturday at 07:45 PM2 days 9 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:So not decades old and all Trump?Well, like I said, the first one is also a superseding indictment. So something came before it.The docket number indicates it might go back as far as 2011.And indeed it appears to. https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/10470024/USA_v_CarvajalBarriosThe lead defendant there, however, was a Chavista general that later became an enemy of Maduro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cl%C3%ADver_Alcal%C3%A1_Cordones Maduro was also a defendant. Edited Saturday at 07:51 PM2 days by TwiceHorn
Saturday at 07:45 PM2 days 5 minutes ago, elguapo said:Hilarious how this event has brought all the shitty neocons out of hiding to praise it.Crickets in the Epstein thread tho
Saturday at 07:51 PM2 days Popular Post 13 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:Both administrations have handled the Ukraine war about as poorly as possible.This administration could not handle something as simple as giving a ton of old equipment we haven’t used in years to Ukraine, equipment we are literally spending money to store in the high desert or warehouses, and that we will never use again.This administration could not handle something as simple as knowing when they are getting played by Putin, even though the evidence is literally and publicly coming out of the mouths of Putin’s people, who openly mock Trump.This administration campaigned on releasing the files of a child trafficking sex ring and the AG claimed she had the files ready to go back in February and now we find out they don’t know what they have and that they changed their mind’s repeatedly over the last six months about whether to protect pedophiles.This same administration changed their minds repeatedly in just a few days about whether we were killing survivors from those boat strikes because they couldn’t get their story straight But the very same people that don’t understand right from wrong in Ukraine and who don’t know they are getting publicly played by Putin while everybody else knows, who can’t release files that were promised to be released almost a year ago, is going to suddenly get their shit together when it comes to regime change for a nation of 28 million people? Edited Saturday at 07:55 PM1 day by atomheartbevo
Saturday at 07:51 PM2 days 32 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:This is nothing like taking out bin LadinWhere did all these paint eaters come from JFCThe UFO thread.
Saturday at 07:52 PM2 days 52 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:lol Trump hates those peopleAnd trumpers hate people who waved flags other than American. But this is great now, for a little while.
Saturday at 07:52 PM2 days 36 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:Some of you having zero ability to admit this potentially is a good thing for US interest are as bad as the right wingers who tried to spin the Obama admin taking out UBL in Pakistan as a bad thing. With Trump we gotta take an occasional good with the bad. Devil is in the details for sure though.Some of us like to see things outside the scope of US interests, hope that helps.Just now, Pato del Muerto said:And trumpers hate people who waved flags other than American. But this is great now, for a little while.Yea why aren’t they getting tear gassed yet?
Saturday at 07:54 PM2 days Cant be a coincidence…Chinese officials visiting Venezuela today… CNBCChina to restrict silver exports, echoing rare earths pla...The U.S. added silver to its nationally designated list of critical minerals in November.and thisTheGlobalEconomy.comVenezuela Silver production - data, chart | TheGlobalEcon...Venezuela: Silver production in metric tones: The latest value from 2020 is 480 metric tons, a decline from 558 metric tons in 2019. In comparison, the world average is 3210 metric tons, based on data
Saturday at 08:01 PM1 day Popular Post Translation: According to FIFA's own regulations, due to the unilateral bombing and kidnapping of a president, the US could not host the World Cup and its national team should be banned from all international competitions.Huh. If FIFA follows their own rules, the US is not eligible to host the World Cup since we're bombing a participant country Edited Saturday at 08:02 PM1 day by Captainant
Saturday at 08:03 PM1 day 1 minute ago, Captainant said:Huh. If FIFA follows their own rules, the US is not eligible to host the World Cup since we're bombing a participant country“Those are more like loose guidelines”
Saturday at 08:05 PM1 day 7 minutes ago, elguapo said:Hilarious how this event has brought all the shitty neocons out of hiding to praise it.It's always fascinating/disappointing to me how quickly and easily it is to use the propaganda machines to make the American public all in on foreign intervention that they couldn't have given two shits about a couple of month ago. "Reports of WMDs? Well, shit, we have no choice but to invade.""Of course Iran poses an imminent nuclear threat that must be eradicated with a super cool show of force at the behest of Bibi.""Absolutely, the punishment for drug trafficking (even marijuana) should be immediate and unexpected execution by missile without trial. We should even murder helpless survivors because fuck 'em all.""Maduro is basically UBL, and Venezuela is run by China. Let's try orchestrating another South American regime change for oil rights...err, national security to protect us from socialism or communism or whatever.""You say jump, I say how high!"
Saturday at 08:07 PM1 day 48 minutes ago, Captainant said:More from the Temu situation roomThe black curtains are also sound proof, even when open. Like so. On the other side it's Saturday lunch buffet for the regulars. Edited Saturday at 08:13 PM1 day by Chopper
Saturday at 08:09 PM1 day Popular Post Trump spends his entire campaign and first year of presidency demonizing Venezuelans seeking asylum and idiots in here think this move was about liberating them lmaoooo
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