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58 minutes ago, statsman said:

When Hamas puts its forces in civilian centers, they (Hamas) commit a war crime. When Israel bombs them, there, it is not committing a war crime. 
 
If Gaza has a NICU unit, and Sinwar puts his command post right next to it, it is not a war crime for Israel to bomb it. That’s an extreme example to illustrate a point. 
 
If you don’t like the formal rules of war, what is your proposal to change them to?

Is it your contention that the U.S. committed a war crime when it bombed Dresden? I know that’s what Nazi leaders proposed in the Nuremberg trials. 
 
Golda Meir said, “We can forgive them for killing our children. We can’t forgive them for making us kill theirs”. 

First, your use of the pronoun them can mean a few different things, but grammatically it most likely should mean Hamas. Yes, Israel may bomb Hamas as an enemy. 

However, you seem to want to include innocent civilians among "them." If so, you want to claim bombing them is not a war crime. Is there any international law you're referring to, or is this just a baseless pronouncement? I know of nothing that supports indescriminate slaughter of civilians.

In short, you're fucking wrong about war crimes. Throughout this slaughter campaign, Israel has used 2000 and 1000 pound bombs on targets they claim (seldom with evidence) are directed at Hamas. That is not precision application of high explosive. It's using a sledge hammer to kill some ants on the wall. 

You're weakest point is to refer to America's violent acts of the past which may or may not be war crimes. We've committed them to be sure. So what? What does that have to do with Israel's war crimes? Your only point can be that as there is a precedent for such horrors perpetrated by the US, one cannot hold accountable an American ally for same. 

You propose international conflict unguided by any restraint regarding humanity. That is not my stand. That is not your country's stand.

I defer to Kubrick and Animal Mother.

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@statsman 

Yes, civilians who are either unwittingly used as or coerced into being human shields remain protected persons under the Geneva Conventions. This doesn't mean the IDF can't target Hamas when they're embedded among civilians, but it does mean care should be taken so that the ratio of civilian deaths to the number of targets should be "proportional."

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be a hard and fast rule for that ratio, but there is language that broadly outlines "clearly excessive" civilian casualties. Many are arguing right now that the IDF's bombing in Gaza meets the excessive standard.

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Netanyahu is a war criminal. Know Israeli propaganda has been pumped HARD over the last 50 years in the USA but they are true evil at this point under Netanyahu.

Will throw in Ted Cruz being partly responsible as his AIPAC donor tells him how many weapons Israel needs.

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https://apnews.com/projects/west-bank-palestinian-teenagers-israel/

Unarmed Palestinian teen killed by IDF sniper take #12345. In the West Bank, where they definitely don't belong. Defend this @statsman you lying, coward piece of shit.

Let's see, what else...

https://abcnews.go.com/International/israels-5th-strike-same-gaza-school-totally-unacceptable/story?id=113619334

More deliberate strikes on humanitarian aid centers...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/09/11/american-activist-aysenur-eygi-killed-idf-west-bank/

Lying about assassinating activists...

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/12/g-s1-22336/jordan-elections-islamists-israel-gaza-war

Israel's actions predictably ramping up radical Islamist sentiment in the Middle East...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-said-to-ask-ag-to-probe-him-gallant-in-bid-to-fend-off-icc-arrest-warrant/

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-09-12/ty-article/.premium/report-netanyahu-seeks-loophole-from-ag-in-limited-probe-to-evade-icc-warrants/00000191-e5d3-d119-a1db-e5d330d20000

Netanyahu desperately trying to do fraud to avoid the issuance of an international arrest warrant against him...

Anyone else got any good news?

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On 9/8/2024 at 4:21 AM, PRONG HORN said:

 

Turkish woman with US citizenship.  Peaceful protestor.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A Turkish woman with US citizenship is an American woman, you chode.

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22 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

A Turkish woman with US citizenship is an American woman, you chode.

And the "mob" wasn't rioting. I posted about it previously. She was with a group who prayed in a circle on the side of a hill as their way of protesting an illegal settlement. It was peaceful and a weekly. Well, it was peaceful until they were surrounded by settlers and the IDF which caused a brief confrontation. She was shot in the head by a sniper later while standing around with other internationals who had gathered together afterward. I believe a Brit was also shot in the leg.

Those two Xitter accounts, Visegrad 24 and OSINTdefender became popular after Russia invaded Ukraine, but both have been very biased against Palestinians during this conflict. Visegrad is reported to have close ties with a far-right Polish political party that is allied with Orban.

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The IDF shot a palestinian-american arab christian reporter, straight up gaslit everyone until they couldn't sustain that anymore, and suffered not one repercussion. They told the US to fuck right off, and State shifting their interest away from an independent investigation, but did lift a finger trying to stop an independent ICC investigation. US led rules-based order though. LOL.

I ain't gonna hold my breath on them giving a meaningful shit about this one either. 

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Pro Israeli propaganda has been pumped into the minds of millions and millions of Americans for decades. I'm more anti Netanyahu than anything. But if you critique their leader you are called antisemitic.

All people in Israel have free healthcare right? Why not America if we're giving them money?

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3 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Pro Israeli propaganda has been pumped into the minds of millions and millions of Americans for decades.

And for a sizable number of evangelicals they get it pumped into them as a kid starting in Sunday school. It’s all totally crazy shit. But that shit is very sticky and hard to unwind, for many even after they lose their faith tradition the world view indoctrination sticks. 

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On 9/10/2024 at 10:59 AM, statsman said:

When Hamas puts its forces in civilian centers, they (Hamas) commit a war crime. When Israel bombs them, there, it is not committing a war crime. 
 
If Gaza has a NICU unit, and Sinwar puts his command post right next to it, it is not a war crime for Israel to bomb it. That’s an extreme example to illustrate a point. 
 
If you don’t like the formal rules of war, what is your proposal to change them to?

Is it your contention that the U.S. committed a war crime when it bombed Dresden? I know that’s what Nazi leaders proposed in the Nuremberg trials. 
 
Golda Meir said, “We can forgive them for killing our children. We can’t forgive them for making us kill theirs”. 

Israeli actions force civilians into humanitarian center.

Israel bombs humanitarian center.

Why would Hamas do this?

Insert bike spoke stick gif.

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3 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Pro Israeli propaganda has been pumped into the minds of millions and millions of Americans for decades. I'm more anti Netanyahu than anything. But if you critique their leader you are called antisemitic.

All people in Israel have free healthcare right? Why not America if we're giving them money?

I've been thinking it would be effective not to alienate Israel when criticizing what it is doing by making a distinction between Likud and Israel, and calling it Likud Israel in the same way we say Nazi Germany to distinguish it from modern Germany and to denote that it was being controlled by a right-wing populist movement.

So long as Israel is being controlled by a bloodthirsty right-wing regime, it has earned a fitting moniker. Call it Likud Israel and it's much more difficult to lob antisemitism accusations at people who criticize what Likud Israel is doing.

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On 9/15/2024 at 11:02 AM, Anastasis said:

And for a sizable number of evangelicals they get it pumped into them as a kid starting in Sunday school. It’s all totally crazy shit. But that shit is very sticky and hard to unwind, for many even after they lose their faith tradition the world view indoctrination sticks. 

Not that they would admit it but many Evangelicals see the Palestinians as subhuman because they are brown and practice a different religion.

Anytime you critique Israel they act like half of their surrounding neighbors are just random terrorists that have done all these awful things completely unprovoked.

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8 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

 

Anytime you critique Israel they act like half of their surrounding neighbors are just random terrorists that have done all these awful things completely unprovoked.

Agreed, both sides of this conflict are reprehensible but one side always gets a pass in America, especially by the religious right. There is a lot of white washing of the actions of the Israel.

Great Britain deserves the credit for creating this mess over 100 years ago. Promising combating factions the same land in return for support for their war efforts turns out not to be a good idea.

 

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7 minutes ago, Dish Boggett said:

Great Britain deserves the credit for creating this mess over 100 years ago.

Eh, there’s got to be stature of limitations on blame.  Why not blame the Ottomans for resettling thousands of Jews in the Levant after their expulsion from Spain?  Or maybe the medieval Arabs for establishing a culture of religious tolerance picked up by the Ottomans that allowed the Jews the right to practice their own religion rather than assimilate (as the Spanish required)?

 

 

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4 hours ago, LCHorn said:

Eh, there’s got to be stature of limitations on blame.  Why not blame the Ottomans for resettling thousands of Jews in the Levant after their expulsion from Spain?  Or maybe the medieval Arabs for establishing a culture of religious tolerance picked up by the Ottomans that allowed the Jews the right to practice their own religion rather than assimilate (as the Spanish required)?

 

 

There's a statute of limitations, but we're still well within the period where it's still acceptable to blame the British. Fuck em.

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8 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

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Here are the good guys who will kill those teenage bad guys.

 

Mission: Drop 1000 pound bomb on teenager with machine gun.

Jehovah! I love assymetrical combat from a cockpit!

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Yea, we like our chances against that teenager with a machine gun.

Got to stop evil some way. Tank artillery! Hoo-ah!

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5 hours ago, LCHorn said:

Eh, there’s got to be stature of limitations on blame.  Why not blame the Ottomans for resettling thousands of Jews in the Levant after their expulsion from Spain?  Or maybe the medieval Arabs for establishing a culture of religious tolerance picked up by the Ottomans that allowed the Jews the right to practice their own religion rather than assimilate (as the Spanish required)?

 

 

Fair enough, I suppose since the Brits are the last ones to get it wrong they carry the most blame

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On 9/20/2024 at 7:15 AM, Loch Ness Monster said:

Not that they would admit it but many Evangelicals see the Palestinians as subhuman because they are brown and practice a different religion.

Anytime you critique Israel they act like half of their surrounding neighbors are just random terrorists that have done all these awful things completely unprovoked.

You think there’s any inner dissonance when the evangelicals consider the Palestinian Christians?

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2 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:This is always a good sign you're on the right side of history

This is always a good sign you're on the right side of history

 

 

Exactly.  They are taking out the trash.  

 

 

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ordering the bureau to shut down amid a widening campaign by Israel targeting the Qatar-funded broadcaster as it covers the Israel-Hamas war in the Gaza Strip.

 

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55 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

US gonna be drawn into another war in the Middle East?

Can we get some healthcare for all Americans first?

Did you know the Israeli government provides abortions for free?

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Macklemore addressed the controversy surrounding his comment made while performing at a benefit concert called Palestine Will Live Forever. Over the weekend, the rapper performed his pro-Palestine song “Hind’s Hall 2” in Seattle, Washington, and made headlines for saying, “Fuck America” during the event.

In a lengthy statement posted to Instagram, Macklemore wrote, “My thoughts and feelings are not always expressed perfectly or politely. Sometimes I slip up and get caught in the moment. Saturday night was one of those times. … Unfortunately, the historic event in my hometown that brought thousands of people together to raise awareness and money for the people of Palestine has become overshadowed by two words.”

The artist expressed his frustration with the United State’s involvement in the Israel-Hamas war and said “watching a genocide unfold in front of us has been excruciating on a spiritual, emotional and human level.” He said he has been “disillusioned and disheartened as our government has continued to unequivocally fund and support Israel’s on-going violence against the people of Palestine.”

In May, Macklemore released “Hind’s Hall,” a protest track and prequel to “Hind’s Hall 2” supporting pro-Palestinian protesters at college campuses across the country and calling for an end to Israel’s war in Gaza. At the time, he announced that he would donate all proceeds to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees.  


Macklemore has been an outspoken opponent of the war in Gaza, releasing a statement last October and speaking at a demonstration in Washington, D.C., the following month.

Elsewhere in his statement Wednesday, Macklemore said he has been “mobilized by the millions of people around the world taking to the streets to protest on behalf of all those that have been murdered by Netanyahu’s regime.” He said he has “found hope in our young people, who have been willing to risk their degrees by participating in college encampments to demand a ceasefire,” and often added to his sentiments: “I don’t think I’m alone.”

Macklemore shared that he has “lost endorsements, I’ve lost shows, I’ve lost business ties,” and said he remains “unwavering” in his “support for a Free Palestine.” He concluded, “My intent always comes back to the pursuit of peace, love, equality and liberation for all. And that isn’t radical, it’s human. I don’t think I’m alone.”

say it aint so, @Macklemore

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On 9/10/2024 at 5:39 PM, Chopper said:

This article is about Kamala Harris sending signals about her intentions regarding Israel when/if she becomes President. But it appears the Palestinian support groups are too caught up in their own metrics to understand.

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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/09/kamala-harris-israel-policy-palestine-gaza-war.html

All that thinkin' and rational-ty maht hurt her in the campaign season, doncha know.

Thanks for making me aware this.

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5 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

All that thinkin' and rational-ty maht hurt her in the campaign season, doncha know.

Thanks for making me aware this.


The final paragraphs (not posted earlier) are my favorite.

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Unfortunately this tendency toward willing suspension of disbelief on the right is mirrored by a tendency toward cynicism on the left. The further right you go, the more likely you are to find people who will support Trump no matter what he says. The further left, the more likely you’ll find people ready to abandon any candidate who doesn’t precisely align with a 20-point ideological agenda.

Politics is an act of faith; it often requires watching for signs and portents, however faint...

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Chopper said:


The final paragraphs (not posted earlier) are my favorite.

 

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Idiot World is not an exclusive locality. 

Our idiots are at least hoping to do something positive no matter how ironic the results.

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17 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Gets invited to address a joint session of Congress. lol. The god damned absurdity of it all. 

And 95% of Congressmen were clapping literally as hard as they could. I get supporting Israel but it seemed almost fake if that makes sense? Like Israel is not just an ally but that's my daddy.

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So... I wish this didn't exist. The whole thing. 

 

But as an observer, I'll say what I said when this most recent activity escalated last year:

"I hope it was worth it."

I have some minor Israeli relationships. When it comes to info and how to action it, they are way ahead of the entire world.  They're not going to win by brut force, but they really do play 3D chess with a bunch of info. It's impressive.

I'm for peace... Real peace.

 

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17 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Just don't want another war to break out and US tax dollars to have pay for it. Netanyahu got us into Iraq. 

[Daily]What if I instead linked a bunch of op-ed about how escalation is actually a good thing and should be encouraged in this conflict?[/Texan]

Posted
5 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I’m certain their actions in the last week or so are totally worth it. They’ve taken out hezbollah in a matter of like 10 days and are now moving to Houthis. It’s highly impressive and good for their prospects of peace and good for the region. And good for the western world in general. 

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3 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Do it

 

3 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

 

As I knew, you’re totally full of shit. Surprisingly, you didn’t even make an attempt to back up your wild ass claim. 

These two posts are 3 hours apart.



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