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2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don

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7 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Great news, then, based on signs he should get 20% more than Clinton!

Hope so. It was weird being on lake and seeing Trump sign after Trump sign. 
Like a bizarre cracker bubble out there. 

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I do think there is a shy Trump voter contingent. I think it has been basically proven via approval polls that around 35% of people are actually cult members, but there’s still 10% or so that needs to be accounted for. Are we assuming all of that 10% is switching to Biden?  Seems risky. 

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I do think there is a shy Trump voter contingent. I think it has been basically proven via approval polls that around 35% of people are actually cult members, but there’s still 10% or so that needs to be accounted for. Are we assuming all of that 10% is switching to Biden?  Seems risky. 

No, the assumption is that the 10% is 10%, not actually 15%.

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5 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Never underestimate the ability of a failed institution like the Texas Democratic Party to fail. It's not what they do. It's what they are. 

The fact that I was 2 the last time a Democrat was governor of Texas shows how bad they've been in Texas, or how tactical Republicans been. Most likely both.

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2 hours ago, Pancho said:

I've seen several Biden ads just today alone here in Houston.  The one with Beau is strong. 

In Austin, seeing Biden ads every once in awhile. Have yet to see a trump ad. Never once saw a Hillary ad. I take this as a good sign.

Mainly see Wendy Davis ads and anti Wendy Davis ads. I won’t comment further since I don’t want to help the other side.

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2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I mean, at this point I just want to know what you think a tech company looks like. Because from your posts it seems like it's one or two dozen people, a couple of desktops, and everyone taking turns lighting pyramids of money on fire after sliding down them like The Joker. 

Ok- let me see if I can flesh this out to something that makes sense after a piss poor job before...

start with this fact- half of America is made up of individuals with below average intelligence... so far so good, right?  
Now, intelligence isn’t something that is a direct 1/1 marker of success, but let’s just say being smarter is generally more likely to lead to economic success and well being than being dumb. 

So far we have an absolute truth and I think  a proposition that most can probably agree with, right?

Now- many jobs- especially jobs in the new economy- require a minimum level of cerebral horsepower to be able to get and retain the job. Again, I’d like to think that we are all still pretty much in agreement here, right?

So, what kind of jobs are created by the new economy?  Coding, engineering, sales, product development, supply chain, legal, marketing etc. those are all, in the main, white collar jobs that probably require a degree, demonstrated proficiency, training, and can’t probably be done, in the main, by people that aren’t fairly sharp. Those jobs all pay pretty well. But, are they aspirational and attainable by large swaths of the middle class, middle America, and people that have an IQ of 90 or 95? My thought and argument is, probably not. 


I taught high school (regular track kids) for a couple years because I love teaching and helping people. It was something I could do, while I was going through some shit in my personal life, that I could feel good about doing to give back to my community, after I’d built a business and had enough of a nest egg where I didn’t have to worry about money for 5 years or so. And, I have to tell you, I don’t think most of my kids in those classes would have, work in the new economy in a tech company as a viable way forward for them to make money in their future. 

What is it likely they ended up doing?  Working retail, hospitality, truck driving, servicing, manufacturing, landscaping and trades. That’s what most of their parents were doing. And for a lot of those kids, that’s definitely a path to middle class (and maybe upper middle class for a few of them). But, and this is key, they were all on the outskirts of a major economic metro area in houston where these kind of jobs exist and are decent paying.  It’s a ticket to somewhere between survival and doing pretty well economically. 

But- I go to a place like my ex used to live in rural Iowa, or Polk County Texas where my wife is from and that path just doesn’t exist nor does the opportunity to go work in a new economy white collar job. 
And that’s scary and painful. 

It used to be you could go get a union job in the plant and make a middle class living doing something not intellectually challenging and attainable for the kids at the bottom of the class.  But when that goes away and dries up, and there isn’t a vibrant service/hospitality/other market created by living near an economic hub what then for the bottom half of the class? 

Not much. And the new economy isn’t creating as many of those type of jobs as the old manufacturing and extracting economy did. And that leads to lots of problems. People that didn’t used to be losers are now losers (I mean this not as an inherent personal characteristic but rather in an economic sense) And nobody wants to feel like a loser. So, you have Silicon Valley billionaires creating something that’s not going to economically benefit those people in the way manufacturing in America would, and then you start hearing people talk about white privilege and you look around at your situation in life and it doesn’t resonate or make sense and you get pissed off. And then you find out you can vote for Donald Trump and that guy thats making you feel lesser than will take that as a stick in the eye and it makes a lot of sense. 

I’ve been places like that. I know people like this. I have talked to people like this. I see the bumper stickers about making liberals cry and I totally get it and understand it- both why it happens and why it exists. In the same way I replayed to a bad teammate post in the DT today about the officer shooting in California when he asked something along the lines of “how shitty must you be at your job for people to cheer you getting shot in the face” and I said- yeah- that was one of my main thoughts because I get that too. 

Most people don’t see the world beyond their own perspective. Some people can’t because they aren’t wired that way. Some people can’t because life is so hard that they don’t have time to think about things from someone else’s perspective. Some don’t want to do so. And that leads to people being easily pissed off and resentment and ugliness. 
 

now- Amazon is a different beast than the other colonies bc I’d argue that it’s not a tech company but a logistics company, and as such creates lots of jobs for boots on the street people that can be done by anyone. And those jobs tend to pay pretty decently. Sorting boxes at warehouses and delivery is the kind of thing that people I talked about getting left behind can do, make decent money (enough to support themselves anyway) and get thru life. But what kind of jobs like that are Google, Facebook, Netflix, twitter etc creating?  I don’t know. If there’s a big bunch of those jobs at places like that I’m ignorant and missing that and might well be wrong. 

final thought- none of this is an argument against creating jobs like this- it’s just a way of saying what are we going to do about those that get left behind. How does that work? What becomes of them. And what’s going to hold our society together and provide commonality for this guys?  


Because I don’t live in that world. I relate to those people (my grandpa’s both had hammers in their hands or worked the end of a broom their whole lives, my dad started out driving a bread truck and my mom was a receptionist at a doctors office before I watched them go back to school and become white collar as a tween) in my life through faith, football, country music, or asking them shit about how stuff works. Some people do that through guns. Some through cars. Some through share dislike groups perceived to be lesser. Maybe military stuff. But all that’s sort of becoming passé in the new world order/economy and what does that leave?  


Not sure how much more we’ll reasoned this is, but it’s a better encapsulation of what I was trying to say than my last shitty post that kick started the deserved deal clubbing I got trying to finish up at work. 

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3 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Ok- let me see if I can flesh this out to something that makes sense after a piss poor job before...

start with this fact- half of America is made up of individuals with below average intelligence... so far so good, right?  
Now, intelligence isn’t something that is a direct 1/1 marker of success, but let’s just say benign smarter is generally more likely to lead to economic success and well being than being dumb. 
So far we have an absolute truth and I think  a proposition that most can probably agree with, right?

Now- many jobs- especially jobs in the new economy- require a minimum level of cerebral horsepower to be able to get and retain the job. Again, I’d like to think that we are all still pretty much in agreement here, right?

So, what kind of jobs are created by the new economy?  Coding, engineering, sales, product development, supply chain, legal, marketing etc. those are all, in the main, white collar jobs that probably require a degree, demonstrated proficiency, training, and can’t probably be done, in the main, by people that aren’t fairly sharp. Those jobs all pay pretty well. But, are they aspirational and attainable by large swaths of the middle class, middle America, and people that have an IQ of 90 or 95? My thought and argument is, probably not. 
I taught high school (regular tract kids) for a couple years because I love teaching and helping people. It was something I could do, while I was going through some shit in my personal life, that I could feel good about doing to give back to my community, after I’d built a business and had enough of a nest egg where I didn’t have to worry about money for 5 years or so. And, I have to tell you, I don’t think most of my kids in those classes would have, work in the new economy in a tech company as a viable way forward for them to make money in their future. 
What is it likely they ended up doing?  Working retail, hospitality, truck driving, servicing, manufacturing, landscaping and trades. That’s what most of their parents were doing. And for a lot of those kids, that’s definitely a path to middle class (and maybe upper middle class for a few of them). But, and this is key, they were all on the outskirts of a major economic metro area in houston where these kind of jobs can exist and are decent paying jobs. It’s a ticket to somewhere between survival and doing pretty well economically. 
But- I go to a place like my ex used to live in rural Iowa, or Polk county where my wife is from and that path just doesn’t exist nor does the opportunity to go work in a new economy white collar job. 
And that’s scary and painful. 
It used to be you could go get a union job in the plant and make a middle class living doing something not intellectually challenging and attainable for the kids at the bottom of the class.  But when that goes away and dries up, and there isn’t a vibrant service/hospitality etc market created by living near an economic hub what then for the bottom half of the class? 

Not much. And the new economy isn’t creating as many of those type of jobs as the old manufacturing and extracting economy did. And that leads to lots of problems. People that didn’t used to be losers are now losers (I mean this it as an inherent personal characteristic but rather in an economic sense) And nobody wants to feel like a loser. So, you have Silicon Valley billionaires creating something that’s not going to economically benefit proper in the way manufacturing in America would, and then you start hearing people talk about white privilege and you look around at your situation in life and it doesn’t resonate or make sense and you get pissed off. And then you find out you can vote for Donald Trump and that guy thats making you feel lesser than will take that as a stick in the eye and it makes a lot of sense. 
I’ve been places like that. I know people like this. I have talked to people like this. I see the bumper stickers about making liberals cry and I totally get it and understand it. Why it happens and why it exists. In the same way I replayed to a bad teammate post in the DT today about the officer shooting in California when he asked something along the lines of “how shitty must you be at your job for people to cheer you getting shot in the face” and I said- yeah- that was one of my main thoughts because I get that too. 
Most people don’t see the world beyond their own perspective. Some people can’t because they aren’t wired that way. Some people can’t because life is so hard that they don’t have time to think about things from someone else’s perspective. Some don’t want to do so. And that leads to people being easily pissed off and resentment and ugliness. 
 

now- Amazon is a different beast than the other colonies bc I’d argue that it’s not a tech company but a logistics company, and as such creates lots of jobs for boots on the street people that can be done by anyone. And those jobs tend to pay pretty decently. Sorting boxes at warehouses and delivery is the kind of thing that people I talked about getting left behind can do, make decent money (enough to support themselves anyway) and get thru life. But what kind of jobs like that are Google, Facebook, Netflix, twitter etc creating?  I don’t know. If there’s a big bunch of those jobs at places like that I’m ignorant and missing that and might well be wrong. 
final thought- none of this is an argument against creating jobs like this- it’s just a way of saying what are we going to do about those that get left behind. How does that work? What becomes of them. And what’s going to hold our society together and provide commonality for this guys?  
Because I don’t live in that world. I relate to those people (my grandpa’s both had hammers in their hands or worked the end of a broom their whole lives, my dad started out driving a bread truck and my mom was a receptionist at a doctors office before I watched them go back to school and become white collar as a tween) in my life through faith, football, country music, or asking them shit about how stuff works. Some people do that through guns. Some through cars. Some through share dislike groups perceived to be lesser. Maybe military stuff. But all that’s sort of becoming passé in the new world order/economy and what does that leave?  
Not sure how much more we’ll reasoned this is, but it’s a better encapsulation of what I was trying to say than my last shitty post that kick started the deserved deal clubbing I got trying to finish up at work. 

Has a good possibility of being a good post but i aint  gonna read all that now. Will try to get back to you this weekend after a few jack and cokes. 

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Just now, JimmyJames said:

Has a good possibility of being a good post but i aint  gonna read all that now. Will try to get back to you this weekend after a few jack and cokes. 

Yeah, at least throw some bullet points on that wall of text.  

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2 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Yup. Anyone can farm.

That was my Bloomberg joke. You know I love you and love hearing you talk corn. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Yeah, at least throw some bullet points on that wall of text.  

Hey man- it’s long. Not every post was meant to be read by everyone. It’s ok if you tl/dr it. 

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2 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Yeah, at least throw some bullet points on that wall of text.  

Hey man- it’s long. Not every post was meant to be read by everyone. It’s ok if you tl/dr it. 

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3 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Also, fuck that Cheeto tan wannabe dictator. That’s all I have towards the thread subject. Dipping back outta the cloak room now.

Peace, love, and corn.

I was joking about the Bloomberg thing, b/c it’s illustrative of how people in the new economy talk down to people they view as their lessers
“Anyone can grow corn. Dig a hole. Plant the seed. Cover it. Water it. Wait.”  
I learned from people that farmed for a living that it also requires balls of steel, the spirit of a river boat gambler, and the need to see around corners in a lot of ways and still, you could do everything right and have it not work out for you. 
Tough vocation/life style. 
 

 

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2 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:


You have to be ok with things beyond your control completely fucking you.

That’s why ISU prepares farmers so well.

What do you think of sod farmers? my first real job after highschool. I always figured there was a farmer totem pole type deal that other farmers scoff at.

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1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

You grow grass? You mean that shit that grows everywhere on its own? 

I figure it's something like that. Ha. 

Used to, King Ranch in Pilot Point TX.

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Just now, Bookman said:

Not everywhere. Come take a look at my yard.

Shit talking doesn't require truth. Just look at the last 80 years in College Station. 

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What do you think of sod farmers? my first real job after highschool. I always figured there was a farmer totem pole type deal that other farmers scoff at.


Someone’s gotta do it. There are guys who make a damn good living off it.

A lot of folks in ag develop silly “us v them” mentalities and feel threatened by different models and spend lots of effort to put them down. A lot of conventional guys get irate about organic and vice versa.

I don’t give a shit. Water your own yard. Make your model work, and if it doesn’t, adjust.

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1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

 


Someone’s gotta do it. There are guys who make a damn good living off it.

A lot of folks in ag develop silly “us v them” mentalities and feel threatened by different models and spend lots of effort to put them down. A lot of conventional guys get irate about organic and vice versa.

I don’t give a shit. Water your own yard. Make your model work, and if it doesn’t, adjust.

 

Badass worn you do and a badass outlook man. JuT wanted to throw some rep your way. 

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4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Badass worn you do and a badass outlook man. JuT wanted to throw some rep your way. 

I’ve never met an ISU alum I didn’t like...

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17 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

 


Someone’s gotta do it. There are guys who make a damn good living off it.

A lot of folks in ag develop silly “us v them” mentalities and feel threatened by different models and spend lots of effort to put them down. A lot of conventional guys get irate about organic and vice versa.

I don’t give a shit. Water your own yard. Make your model work, and if it doesn’t, adjust.

 

I can't seem to click on a thread on any board where you aren't talking about farming. You've been warned, bro

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I can't seem to click on a thread on any board where you aren't talking about farming. You've been warned, bro

I don’t start it

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9 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

I can't seem to click on a thread on any board where you aren't talking about farming. You've been warned, bro

This is where we need a tongue in cheek middle finger for a rep. If we had one I’d send it your way. Don’t stand in the way of a master craftsman demonstrating his  full range of skills. 

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If  your voter status is "suspense", do you have to show proof of address when you show up to vote? Or can you just say "yeah that is my address" and you proceed.

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I can't seem to click on a thread on any board where you aren't talking about farming. You've been warned, bro

Not the mountain biking thread. Your theory is thus disproven.

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44 minutes ago, thepop said:

If  your voter status is "suspense", do you have to show proof of address when you show up to vote? Or can you just say "yeah that is my address" and you proceed.

Found this on the SOS site. Looks like you show your I.D. and sign a statement.

An individual on the suspense list is still a registered voter and has the same rights as a non-suspense list voter. If a suspense list voter lives in the same residence, shows up at the same precinct location, shows proof of identification and fills out a statement of residence48, then the individual will be able to vote, and the voter’s name will be removed from the suspense list. If the voter has moved to a different residence located in the same county, the voter will also fill out a Statement of Residence and be permitted to vote, provided the voter is living in the political subdivision or territory covered by that election49. The Statement of Residence will be used to update the voter’s registration and remove the voter’s name from the suspense list. If the suspense list voter has moved outside of the county, the voter will be given the option to vote provisionally in accordance with Section 63.011.

 

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9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Good luck with that, Donnie.  NJ has had vote by mail for years now, including when you won the 2016 general election.

Other than absentee ballots, no, NJ has not had vote by mail.  But this year because of Covid the governor ordered that a ballot be mailed to all registered voters and that if you show up to vote in person, you will get a provisional ballot.

But trump is clearly just trying to confuse issues and make voting a mess in NJ.  He filed the suit in the ordinary course, rather than as an emergent matter, making timing issues with the election 50 days away and ballots about to be mailed out, even worse.   

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2 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Other than absentee ballots, no, NJ has not had vote by mail.

That's vote by mail.  The system has been in place for a while now.  

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

That's vote by mail.  The system has been in place for a while now.  

Agreed absentee ballots are a way to vote by mail. But trump is trying to make a hash of the NJ election.  In the past, the only way to vote by mail was to request an absentee ballot.  The vast majority of voters in NJ voted in person.  This year, for the first time, NJ is mailing ballots to all registered voters, and if you show up in person, you can only vote by provisional ballot. There is already a lot of concern and confusion about how this will work, compounded by the USPS problems. And now trump has filed this nonsense suit, with ballots about to be mailed out.

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1 hour ago, lemonlime said:

Oh, and the USPS, sent out this mailer in NJ which contains false information about voting in NJ this fall.

 

I got one of those the other day, in Austin. Doesn't really say anything other than check the rules and don't procrastinate.

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5 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Ok- let me see if I can flesh this out to something that makes sense after a piss poor job before...

start with this fact- half of America is made up of individuals with below average intelligence... so far so good, right?  
Now, intelligence isn’t something that is a direct 1/1 marker of success, but let’s just say being smarter is generally more likely to lead to economic success and well being than being dumb. 

So far we have an absolute truth and I think  a proposition that most can probably agree with, right?

Now- many jobs- especially jobs in the new economy- require a minimum level of cerebral horsepower to be able to get and retain the job. Again, I’d like to think that we are all still pretty much in agreement here, right?

So, what kind of jobs are created by the new economy?  Coding, engineering, sales, product development, supply chain, legal, marketing etc. those are all, in the main, white collar jobs that probably require a degree, demonstrated proficiency, training, and can’t probably be done, in the main, by people that aren’t fairly sharp. Those jobs all pay pretty well. But, are they aspirational and attainable by large swaths of the middle class, middle America, and people that have an IQ of 90 or 95? My thought and argument is, probably not. 


I taught high school (regular track kids) for a couple years because I love teaching and helping people. It was something I could do, while I was going through some shit in my personal life, that I could feel good about doing to give back to my community, after I’d built a business and had enough of a nest egg where I didn’t have to worry about money for 5 years or so. And, I have to tell you, I don’t think most of my kids in those classes would have, work in the new economy in a tech company as a viable way forward for them to make money in their future. 

What is it likely they ended up doing?  Working retail, hospitality, truck driving, servicing, manufacturing, landscaping and trades. That’s what most of their parents were doing. And for a lot of those kids, that’s definitely a path to middle class (and maybe upper middle class for a few of them). But, and this is key, they were all on the outskirts of a major economic metro area in houston where these kind of jobs exist and are decent paying.  It’s a ticket to somewhere between survival and doing pretty well economically. 

But- I go to a place like my ex used to live in rural Iowa, or Polk County Texas where my wife is from and that path just doesn’t exist nor does the opportunity to go work in a new economy white collar job. 
And that’s scary and painful. 

It used to be you could go get a union job in the plant and make a middle class living doing something not intellectually challenging and attainable for the kids at the bottom of the class.  But when that goes away and dries up, and there isn’t a vibrant service/hospitality/other market created by living near an economic hub what then for the bottom half of the class? 

Not much. And the new economy isn’t creating as many of those type of jobs as the old manufacturing and extracting economy did. And that leads to lots of problems. People that didn’t used to be losers are now losers (I mean this not as an inherent personal characteristic but rather in an economic sense) And nobody wants to feel like a loser. So, you have Silicon Valley billionaires creating something that’s not going to economically benefit those people in the way manufacturing in America would, and then you start hearing people talk about white privilege and you look around at your situation in life and it doesn’t resonate or make sense and you get pissed off. And then you find out you can vote for Donald Trump and that guy thats making you feel lesser than will take that as a stick in the eye and it makes a lot of sense. 

I’ve been places like that. I know people like this. I have talked to people like this. I see the bumper stickers about making liberals cry and I totally get it and understand it- both why it happens and why it exists. In the same way I replayed to a bad teammate post in the DT today about the officer shooting in California when he asked something along the lines of “how shitty must you be at your job for people to cheer you getting shot in the face” and I said- yeah- that was one of my main thoughts because I get that too. 

Most people don’t see the world beyond their own perspective. Some people can’t because they aren’t wired that way. Some people can’t because life is so hard that they don’t have time to think about things from someone else’s perspective. Some don’t want to do so. And that leads to people being easily pissed off and resentment and ugliness. 
 

now- Amazon is a different beast than the other colonies bc I’d argue that it’s not a tech company but a logistics company, and as such creates lots of jobs for boots on the street people that can be done by anyone. And those jobs tend to pay pretty decently. Sorting boxes at warehouses and delivery is the kind of thing that people I talked about getting left behind can do, make decent money (enough to support themselves anyway) and get thru life. But what kind of jobs like that are Google, Facebook, Netflix, twitter etc creating?  I don’t know. If there’s a big bunch of those jobs at places like that I’m ignorant and missing that and might well be wrong. 

final thought- none of this is an argument against creating jobs like this- it’s just a way of saying what are we going to do about those that get left behind. How does that work? What becomes of them. And what’s going to hold our society together and provide commonality for this guys?  


Because I don’t live in that world. I relate to those people (my grandpa’s both had hammers in their hands or worked the end of a broom their whole lives, my dad started out driving a bread truck and my mom was a receptionist at a doctors office before I watched them go back to school and become white collar as a tween) in my life through faith, football, country music, or asking them shit about how stuff works. Some people do that through guns. Some through cars. Some through share dislike groups perceived to be lesser. Maybe military stuff. But all that’s sort of becoming passé in the new world order/economy and what does that leave?  


Not sure how much more we’ll reasoned this is, but it’s a better encapsulation of what I was trying to say than my last shitty post that kick started the deserved deal clubbing I got trying to finish up at work. 

No one taught you the difference between average & median.

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1 hour ago, thepop said:

 

Dems really gonna fuck this shit up.

Get the people some masks and sanitizers and tell them to go out there and make sure they vote and are registered 

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New round of Lincoln Project schwag just hit the market.  

https://lincolnproject.us/gear/

Shit ain't cheap, but obviously a "portion" of it goes to their political wing.  I kinda want the cognitive test t-shirt in Navy.  

Also, they're doing a free call this evening if anyone is interested.  Kind of an update on where the campaign is right now.  

If it's not cool to post stuff  like this, please delete.  But zoom info is:

Webinar ID: 923 5984 9533
Passcode: 618460

Starts at 6:15p-CDT, iirc 

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6 hours ago, Helobious said:

No one taught you the difference between average & median.

Evidently no on taught you that median is a kind of average.

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first reason I’ve seen to be concerned in a while.  Someone did the math and said this is a .8% R gain.  I read that NC absentee requests surged this year and some official claims he expects NC to have 30-40% absentee voting this year.  That comes out to around a .5% haircut for the Ds.  MC is going to be very close.  This type of screwup will start adding up.  

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5 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

 

first reason I’ve seen to be concerned in a while.  Someone did the math and said this is a .8% R gain.  I read that NC absentee requests surged this year and some official claims he expects NC to have 30-40% absentee voting this year.  That comes out to around a .5% haircut for the Ds.  MC is going to be very close.  This type of screwup will start adding up.  

 

Are people in NC told if their ballot is rejected?

 

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