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Where, exactly, do you think removing redactions is going to provide some goldmine of new information about your second sentence?
I mean, I was told on this thread that all the good stuff would be redacted, but not once in reading it did I say "oh shit, a redaction, this was getting good."


The redactions may cover grand jury testimony. I presume we’ll discover additional malfeasance and the people that are caught in lies.
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3 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

I’m sure he is. Mossadeq was a secular nationalist. The mullahs would have never grabbed power but for that awful mistake by the CIA,

Tailored Chinese jersey thread is ------------------->

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1 minute ago, Eskimohorn said:

 


The redactions may cover grand jury testimony. I presume we’ll discover additional malfeasance and the people that are caught in lies.

The grand jury redactions are very small both in size (number of words) and volume (number of redactions) in comparison to "Harm Other Matter" redactons, and there's no surefire mechanism to get the HOM stuff.

Note that there is almost no bitching from the usual suspects that all the good stuff was redacted.  The whole issue was overblown.

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1 hour ago, SpiralOut said:

Well they used to have them.  Ya know, because Bill Clinton literally bought and paid to keep Yeltsin as the Russian president.  Dude's numbers were completely in the tank.  Everyone knew he was going to get crushed.  Then ol' Slick Willy stepped in with a boatload of cash so Yeltsin could start paying people off and, wow, he magically won by a narrow margin!

That's not a foreign intelligence agency spreading shit on the internet for the rubes to lap up and maybe change their opinion.  That's the leader of a foreign power outright buying off your election.  But we should "go to war" over this shit when the Russians didn't over that shit back in '96? 

 In fact, it can easily be argued that our current predicament with Russia is just yet another consequence of our awful foreign policy of meddling everywhere we can stick our dirty fingers.  The list of democracies where we've come in, fucked shit up, installed a dictator, and then bailed is long as fuck.  Russia probably falls into that camp.  We broke them in the Cold War, then we started fucking around in their elections, but instead of getting our guy in there and keeping him there we opened the door for a ruthless fuck like Putin to take over.  He, naturally, doesn't have many fond feelings for us and our hypocrisy.  So tit for fucking tat.  If we were in his position we'd be doing the exact same fucking thing.

 Acting aggrieved and indignant is fucking stupid.  This is how the game is played.  We're fucking morons who are glued to our phones 24/7 and believe any crap spewed in the media or online that justifies our own warped ideologies and prejudices.  It bit us in the ass.  The only proper response is to nail Zuckerberg and his ilk to the wall and to be more vigilant about this type of shit.  I'd say we should also learn to stop giving a fuck about what we see in the media and online and not let it work us into a frenzy, but yeah, we all know that ain't gonna happen. 

The problem is us, not Russia.  Those crazy fucks are sitting on an ever shrinking economic island, have zero pull on the globe at large, and are rapidly killing themselves through alcohol poisoning, injecting gasoline into their veins, and falling off of tall buildings.  They're probably stunned their little stunt worked as well as it did.  Just like Osama was probably stunned he was able to pull off the largest terrorist attack in history with a few dumb fucks with box cutters because pilots didn't bother to lock the cockpit door.  If our country wasn't such a dysfunctional mess filled with easily led simpletons this "informational warfare" would have been a laughable joke.

 

 

Why do you hate America

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First Amendment.  Pentagon Papers.  If not complicit in the actual stealing, no criminal liability, or at least that's the tea leaf read.
I noticed that there was one section in the hacking/publication area redacted for HOM that seemed likely to be wikileaks.


Treating WikiLeaks like a news outlet is dubious. They acted more like a buffer between Russia and Trump.
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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

You're still going to stick with the "delusion" bit?

Seems a good fit at this point. 

 

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

He's gone off the rails and destroyed any and all goodwill, not to mention perceptions of objectivity around here.  Fuck him.

Sorry for being right. 

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We learned our lesson from Nixon. The man would be a liberal hero today for creating the EPA, affirmative action and going to China. It doesn’t matter to Dems, our Presidents are cold-hearted baby killers or spoofed as morons. Once a Republican President dies, the press then does an about face by saying they were so much more reasonable than the current crop. Playing nice so y’all will hopefully like us is dead. McCain and Romney tried to peddle the centrist, let’s try to please the editors of the NYT bs. That didn’t excite me or the base. Trump is giving us what we have wanted.



Dude, you sound like you would have a blast chillin w Stephen Miller, let that sink in.

Were y’all roommates?
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The grand jury redactions are very small both in size (number of words) and volume (number of redactions) in comparison to "Harm Other Matter" redactons, and there's no surefire mechanism to get the HOM stuff.
Note that there is almost no bitching from the usual suspects that all the good stuff was redacted.  The whole issue was overblown.


My overall point is not that redactions will be the end, but other indictments, hearings referenced will expose more liars in this conspiracy. The boy scouts expose Trump’s illegal orders. The scum carry them out, but lie and destroy evidence. That’s the Roy Cohn way.

That’s why at this point there’s not clear and convincing criminal evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of a criminal conspiracy. You only hear honest testimony from the Boy Scouts at this point.
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I figured the the new stuff gleaned from the report would have died down, but it keeps rolling. 

What's this about a whole separate category of information derived from the SC investigation that is walled off and not included in the Mueller report ?

"For more than the past year, the FBI also embedded personnel at the Office who did not work on the Special Counsel's investigation, but whose purpose was to review the results of the investigation and send - in writing - summaries of foreign intelligence and counterintelligence information to FBI HQ and FBI Field Offices.  Those communications and other correspondence between the Office and the FBI contain information derived from the investigation, not all of which is contained in this Volume."

Mueller is essentially signaling to the Intel Committees, "hey, look over there, check it out."  Not redacted, not in the report.  Foreign intel.  Counterintel.  Makes me wonder if Barr, on the job only a few months, was even aware this existed prior to the report, let alone seen it.  

 

I'm starting to feel the chances of Trump being toast are increasing, at least more so than I did this morning.  It's going to take a little time for Congress to pull it all together, but Trump has zero business occupying the Oval with what came out today.

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1 hour ago, SpiralOut said:

Well they used to have them.  Ya know, because Bill Clinton literally bought and paid to keep Yeltsin as the Russian president.  Dude's numbers were completely in the tank.  Everyone knew he was going to get crushed.  Then ol' Slick Willy stepped in with a boatload of cash so Yeltsin could start paying people off and, wow, he magically won by a narrow margin!

That's not a foreign intelligence agency spreading shit on the internet for the rubes to lap up and maybe change their opinion.  That's the leader of a foreign power outright buying off your election.  But we should "go to war" over this shit when the Russians didn't over that shit back in '96? 

In fact, it can easily be argued that our current predicament with Russia is just yet another consequence of our awful foreign policy of meddling everywhere we can stick our dirty fingers.  The list of democracies where we've come in, fucked shit up, installed a dictator, and then bailed is long as fuck.  Russia probably falls into that camp.  We broke them in the Cold War, then we started fucking around in their elections, but instead of getting our guy in there and keeping him there we opened the door for a ruthless fuck like Putin to take over.  He, naturally, doesn't have many fond feelings for us and our hypocrisy.  So tit for fucking tat.  If we were in his position we'd be doing the exact same fucking thing.

Acting aggrieved and indignant is fucking stupid.  This is how the game is played.  We're fucking morons who are glued to our phones 24/7 and believe any crap spewed in the media or online that justifies our own warped ideologies and prejudices.  It bit us in the ass.  The only proper response is to nail Zuckerberg and his ilk to the wall and to be more vigilant about this type of shit.  I'd say we should also learn to stop giving a fuck about what we see in the media and online and not let it work us into a frenzy, but yeah, we all know that ain't gonna happen. 

The problem is us, not Russia.  Those crazy fucks are sitting on an ever shrinking economic island, have zero pull on the globe at large, and are rapidly killing themselves through alcohol poisoning, injecting gasoline into their veins, and falling off of tall buildings.  They're probably stunned their little stunt worked as well as it did.  Just like Osama was probably stunned he was able to pull off the largest terrorist attack in history with a few dumb fucks with box cutters because pilots didn't bother to lock the cockpit door.  If our country wasn't such a dysfunctional mess filled with easily led simpletons this "informational warfare" would have been a laughable joke.

 

 

I am going to quote this again because it really is required reading. 

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

 Trump is giving us what we have wanted.

 

Huge increases in the size of government, huge increases in the debt, a giant wipe-out in the midterms, and the least popular president ever?  A compulsive liar who thinks grabbing women by the pussy is fine, fucking over his countrymen is fine, trying to sleep with the wives of his best friends is fine, screwing porn stars while married is fine?



 

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1 hour ago, TexEx15 said:

Finally something I agree with you about.  You say it like its a good thing when in reality the GOP has lost all its morals and principals for a dear leader so devoid of any decency it’s staggering.  My father would have never tolerated this banana republic bullshit that Trump is responsible for that you and your friends just lap right up off the sacks of Hannity and his ilk. 

Is your Dad LBJ?  

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2 hours ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

You weren’t watching Martha MacCallum earlier. Our gloves are off. We’re defending our President. This isn’t your father’s GOP anymore.

 

my father isn't a stupid piece of shit.  so, that checks out.

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The regular posters who bend over backward to defend Trump everyday on here do realize Trump wouldn't let one of his hookers piss on you if you were on fire, right?

It's amazing the loyalty some of you have to a guy who would switch parties in a heartbeat and disown all of you in exchange for the ending of every investigation into his family. 

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4 minutes ago, troph said:

and even if not by criminal standards, it's clear the campaign fucked up repeatedly on doing the right thing by our country.  not a crime punishable by jail time but no way this guy should be our president.  our sworn enemy is waste deep in our election, his campaign knows it and they don't do a damn thing but profit from it.  scary as fuck fellas. 

It warrants impeachment and removal.  There's no way to spin this active and ongoing betrayal of our country.

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1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

john dean was just on cnn saying this was way worse than anything nixon did.  but what does he know.

The Watergate break in probably wasn't in the top 10 worst things done by Nixon.  Nixon was an outsider who grew up poor.  He didn't have the Kennedy gang to handle his dirty work for him. 

 

I asked about LBJ Jr because there was a new bio out that sheds some light on his ummm .  .  . 'shenanigans'

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2 hours ago, troph said:

and the real winner on Junior's meeting to get dirt on HRC is buried in the dry legalese of scienter or knowledge that the act was unlawful.  so there you have it.  Junior probably didn't know taking dirt on HRC from a foreign official would be a violation of campaign finance laws because he's stupid and so he gets off.  meh.  

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6 hours ago, Satchel said:

The report says it could not be proved that the campaign "willfully" conspired with the Russians.

Willfully or knowingly.  Meaning no one set out to assist them.

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13 hours ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

TOO INEFFECTUALLY STUPID TO COLLUDE!!  #TSTIC!!! WINNING!  Suck it, libs!
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Right?
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This means we're winning, doesn't it?
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Well, I think we're winning.  I mean, hillary, angry dems, emails, tan suit, no collusion, etc... et al. 


Being too ineffectually stupid to mount an international conspiracy should be a disqualifying characteristic for the presidency. You see, we want someone with the ability to organize and lead others even to that end, but so morally sound that they would never focus those leadership skills in that direction.  Instead, we have a cretinous, evil Forrest Gump whose only saving grace is being incapable of executing on his unethical, immoral and illegal impulses and ideals.

"Too ineffectually stupid to collude!" is a hell of a thing to hang your hat on.  It will make a great 2020 Campaign slogan.  If the last midterms were a referendum on Trump, the 2022 election is a referendum on Americans.

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8 hours ago, TexArcher said:

Republicans gloating about the Mueller Report is pretty amazing.

Yeah, your boy's off the hook for collusion conspiracy.  But obstruction is wide open.  The man did everything he could to slow this investigation down, and that is exactly what sank Nixon.

And this is the fucking redacted version...

 

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Hmm, who should i listen to, the people who are discussing sections of the report and what they mean, or the fucking retards posting twitter memes? Hmmmmmm tough decision.

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7 hours ago, elguapo said:


If your ability to immigrate to this country had been decided by Trump you wouldn’t be here.

Another baseless lie. My parents would have passed on a skills and education level points system with flying colors. Trump helped reorient the Party which the base appreciates. We all acknowledge that he is an undisciplined, loudmouth, moron. I’m looking forward to the next generation where we’ll hopefully find a smarter candidate. My hope is Tucker in 2024. We’ll able to win back the Tanglewood lawyer dad and yoga mom set with him. Same anti-illegals, anti-globalist, pro fair trade  agenda with better packaging.

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11 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's a topic for another thread, but step 1 is federal law mandating universal backup ballots that can't be manipulated.

Well, like improving the affordability of health care in this country or tackling the existential problem of climate change, the way to improve the security of our elections and democratic institutions is to smash the duopoly in some vague and unspecified way. Sure, it seems like there's consistently one party preventing or encumbering these problems from being addressed, or just denying there's a problem all together, but that's just what the duopoly wants you to think.

 

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/trump-white-house-objecting-senates-election-security-bill

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Another baseless lie. My parents would have passed on a skills and education level points system with flying colors.

Assuming your parents were the right color and of the correct religious persuasion.

Posted
2 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

 

 You’re brown though.

 

3 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Assuming your parents were the right color and of the correct religious persuasion.

Please show me in any GOP or Administration provided documents where people from Iran would be permanently banned. The current travel ban is temporary. I personally support it.

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1 minute ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

 

Please show me in any GOP or Administration provided documents where people from Iran would be permanently banned. The current travel ban is temporary. I personally support it.

Of course you do.....however the terrorists were Saudis.

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1 minute ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Of course you do.....however the terrorists were Saudis.

Trump called for a Muslim ban after the Paris terrorist attacks. That’s the first thing that he did that made me warm to him. I appreciate him opening that door and saying what needed to be said.

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Another baseless lie. My parents would have passed on a skills and education level points system with flying colors. Trump helped reorient the Party which the base appreciates. We all acknowledge that he is an undisciplined, loudmouth, moron. I’m looking forward to the next generation where we’ll hopefully find a smarter candidate. My hope is Tucker in 2024. We’ll able to win back the Tanglewood lawyer dad and yoga mom set with him. Same anti-illegals, anti-globalist, pro fair trade  agenda with better packaging.

Go fuck yourself dumb cunt. He literally has put in place a travel ban for Iran. If it were solely up to him no one from Muslim majority or other “shithole” countries would be allowed to immigrate here permanently.

 

But you’re here already so fuck all those other poor bastards right?

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1 minute ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Oh just currently banned. No way, no how would a nationalist-run party or government EVER push permanent bans of ethnicities and nationalities. That’s just crazy talk. 

Keep dreaming up your dystopian fantasies about how I will be gassed or taken to a concentration camp. Maybe you can make them into a short story series and post them here. Icono gets deported (even though he was born here), Icono in a concentration camp, the final solution to deal with Icono.

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2 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Trump called for a Muslim ban after the Paris terrorist attacks. That’s the first thing that he did that made me warm to him. I appreciate him opening that door and saying what needed to be said.

That's because both of you are unapologetic bigots.

Congratulations on being awful.

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8 hours ago, triplehorn said:

It warrants impeachment and removal.  There's no way to spin this active and ongoing betrayal of our country.

Since we know there won’t be impeachment cause GOP, the game shifts to Dems using the report, hearings, etc. to rub the GOP’s face in this until the election. 

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