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6 minutes ago, safe sex said:

That's fuckin' wild

It had a history with their air force that pre-dated the Nazis.

And also....Finns give zero fucks.  That cannot be overlooked as a factor.

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2 hours ago, G650 said:

Several people are trying to tell you that this is 100% not the case but you just don't want to hear it.

<insert the Kirk shooter and the other dude here> who post and had a bunch of meaningless quotes and shit they owned. People like wildcat09 ain’t cut out for this new era where not everything has a deep rooted meaning. 

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12 hours ago, G650 said:

I would 100% vote for him over Janet Mills or Susan Collins. 

Can you imagine telling someone that came home from Europe in 1945 that 80 years later the guy with the nazi tat might possibly be the best choice for a senate seat because the current Senator keeps siding with people trying to act like nazis? What a time to be alive.

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He already cry quit the party because he didn't get the nom, he's just trying to play spoiler now. They've been attempting to beg/threaten/bribe Curtis Sliwa to drop out of the race, too, because he's siphoning votes from Cuomo.

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Oof, some on the left are really whiffing on this Platner stuff. Who gives a shit about the Twitter account, it's someone doing oppo on him and they created an account. What matters is if it's true, and the info looks to be corroborated. 

 

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14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53249645

A lot of people assume that the Finnish swastika stems from the Winter War against the Soviets, making them nominally Nazi aligned.  But they didn't ally with Germany until later, and the swastika dates back to WWI for Finland.

Also, the fact that the Finns managed to kick ass using Brewster Buffalos is awesome.

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Don't know if this is a purity test or not but not sure I'm a fan of this dude:

https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1mzuxqm/im_the_maine_oysterman_combat_veteran_running_for/namhen4/
 

"Small wars are pretty enjoyable"
https://old.reddit.com/r/Hasan_Piker/comments/1oe0fht/the_average_american_veteran_is_dumb_argument/
 

Additionally, like the post says if he had fantasies and knowledge about early 20th century colonial wars him not knowing that SS symbol stretches credulity.  Drunk Marines get Devil Dog tattoos or some kind of non-nazi shit unless they are nazis.  And anything "Fallujah" gets a side eye from me, sorry.  Then there is the blackwater thing.  So dude enjoyed slaughtering brown people into his mid-30's but now he's all cool because "oligarchs?"  OK.  What actual atonement has he worked for or done for the people of Iraq? He was the son of a lawyer and restaurant owner and went to private college prep school but we're to forgive him for just being a meathead.  There might be redemption arcs out there, but that's a lot to redeem here imo. 

All that said, we're in the total decay stage so I'm not invested all that much either way.  Nor do I live in Maine.  But he sure doesn't seem like someone the left should look to imo.

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21 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Ok, I changed my mind, I do think he's secretly a nazi:

1919 is both short for SS and the year the precursor to the nazi party was founded. 

So this guy will be another one of those elected democrats that switches over to the GQP the second after he's sworn into office? 

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38 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

Don't know if this is a purity test or not but not sure I'm a fan of this dude:

https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1mzuxqm/im_the_maine_oysterman_combat_veteran_running_for/namhen4/
 

"Small wars are pretty enjoyable"
https://old.reddit.com/r/Hasan_Piker/comments/1oe0fht/the_average_american_veteran_is_dumb_argument/
 

Additionally, like the post says if he had fantasies and knowledge about early 20th century colonial wars him not knowing that SS symbol stretches credulity.  Drunk Marines get Devil Dog tattoos or some kind of non-nazi shit unless they are nazis.  And anything "Fallujah" gets a side eye from me, sorry.  Then there is the blackwater thing.  So dude enjoyed slaughtering brown people into his mid-30's but now he's all cool because "oligarchs?"  OK.  What actual atonement has he worked for or done for the people of Iraq? He was the son of a lawyer and restaurant owner and went to private college prep school but we're to forgive him for just being a meathead.  There might be redemption arcs out there, but that's a lot to redeem here imo. 

All that said, we're in the total decay stage so I'm not invested all that much either way.  Nor do I live in Maine.  But he sure doesn't seem like someone the left should look to imo.

Most leftists had never liked Platner because he was a combat vet who signed on to Blackwater. Valid criticism, but not electorally smart.

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6 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

So this guy will be another one of those elected democrats that switches over to the GQP the second after he's sworn into office? 

Most likely he's another Sinema.

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2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Most leftists had never liked Platner because he was a combat vet who signed on to Blackwater. Valid criticism, but not electorally smart.

He was also a guard at Abu Ghraib apparently.  I honestly don't have to care about him electorally. I'm not a fan of war criminals, red or blue.

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Just now, MC Fresh Breath said:

He was also a guard at Abu Ghraib apparently.  I honestly don't have to care about him electorally. I'm not a fan of war criminals, red or blue.

I'm not voting for him because I don't live there, but I do think he's the least bad option in that particular race.

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7 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I'm not voting for him because I don't live there, but I do think he's the least bad option in that particular race.

None of us know a single thing about 7 of the 9 options in that race man. 

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3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

 I do think he's the least bad option in that particular race.

Funny how it always comes down to that.  I'm not invested in it but he seems an unrepentant killer. I don't buy that he didn't know the tattoo's meaning but seems more edgelord "I'm a killer" type stuff than true nazi.  That stated all this sent me down a rabbit hole of horrors we committed in Iraq which was a good refresher in a depressing way.  He seems completely untrustworthy to me.  Perhaps time proves me wrong. But again I think our overall collapse is in full effect and this race won't really be something we talk about in the long run. 

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3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

But they didn't ally with Germany until later, and the swastika dates back to WWI for Finland.

Military use of the Swastika dates to WWI. Finnish and Norse cultural use goes back millennia. 
Hitler adopted the Sanskrit Swastika to the flag in connection with the bullshit concept* of a proto-white “Aryan Race.”
 

 

* I fully expect the new Liberty Institute at UT to offer graduate courses on this concept at part of their doctoral program in phrenology. 

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nyt at Noon today https://archive.ph/oVfUw#selection-495.0-499.167

Virginia Democrats Plan to Redraw House Maps in Redistricting Push

The surprise move could give Democrats two or three additional House seats and is likely to scramble the last couple weeks of campaigning ahead of the Nov. 4 election.

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The next front in the nation’s pitched battle over mid-decade congressional redistricting is opening in Virginia, where Democrats are planning the first step toward redrawing congressional maps, a move that could give their party two or three more seats.

The surprise development, which is set to be announced by legislators on Thursday, would make Virginia the second state, after California, in which Democrats try to counter a wave of Republican moves demanded by President Trump to redistrict states to their advantage before the 2026 midterm elections. No other Democratic state has begun redistricting proceedings, while several Republican states have drawn new maps or are deliberating doing so.

Democrats now hold six of Virginia’s 11 congressional seats. Redistricting could deliver two or three additional seats for the party, depending on how aggressive cartographers choose to be in a redrawing effort.

“We are coming back to address actions by the Trump administration,” said Scott Surovell, the majority leader of the Virginia Senate, who confirmed the plans.

The Virginia Democrats’ moves are the latest in a monthslong tango that has resulted in Texas and Missouri enacting new maps that add more Republican seats, California asking voters to approve a new map to add Democratic seats and North Carolina Republican lawmakers on Tuesday approving a new map expected to transfer one congressional seat to Republicans from Democrats.

 

 

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Posted
2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

None of us know a single thing about 7 of the 9 options in that race man. 

For the same reasons none of us know FAU's depth chart. They're fucking losers who have no chance.

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2 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

He seems completely untrustworthy to me.

That's valid. Voters in Maine find outsiders untrustworthy, and I'm sure there are many vocal leftists in Maine who will abstain from the Dem primary because they'd rather participate in the Green Party primary. Coming at this from an electoral standpoint, Platner's politics are much better than those of Mills or Collins, even if his politics are worse than some of the other theoretical alternatives, none of whom have a prayer because if they did we'd already have heard of them.

Don't like him because he probably did bad stuff while deployed? I can respect that. No disagreement from me, there, just as I wouldn't criticize someone who refused to vote for Harris due to her weak position on the genocide in Gaza. Murder, war crimes, and genocide are simply a bridge too far for some people, and that's ok.

Don't like him because he used to say the f-slur and had questionable views on race? I respect that as well, but I disagree with the mentality behind refusing to allow people to shed their prior bad opinions. This is especially counterproductive in the face of so many people (especially men under 50) who were reliable Democratic voters in their 20s and 30s but who moved away from the party around the same time as #MeToo. The opposition is actively recruiting converts. Hell, even Donald Trump himself had been a self-identifying Liberal Elite for much of his adult life. So, it stands to reason that if the right is willing to forgive people for their prior progressive views and embrace converts, the left should be willing to forgive people for their prior regressive views and welcome ex-chuds. Better late than never, and we truly need all hands on deck. TLDR, unlike murder and war crimes, I don't think having had bad opinions in the past should be categorically disqualifying.

Don't like him because he's too dumb to realize he had a Nazi tattoo? I find that uncharitable to him and strategically short-sighted. I'm not a history buff by any means, but even in the areas where I consider myself to be more knowledgeable than most people, I still learn new things on a regular basis. Until more evidence comes out, I'm going to allow him the benefit of the doubt. Even if he told anonymous strangers online that he studied history, that doesn't automatically mean he downloaded encyclopedic knowledge of Nazi iconography or that he was shirtless around someone who would have known that. And according to him, the people who should have known that, the ones responsible for verifying that he was eligible to serve in a different branch of the Armed Forces and to have whatever security clearance he needed for his stint with Blackwater, seemed not to have noticed, either.

Calling him a secret Nazi, on a day like today where no other evidence of his supposed Nazi views has been publicized, is not something I would take seriously. If Mainers disagree, let them be the ones to say so. As has been mentioned before, if he's as dumb as some people think he is, then it's more likely than not that future and more damaging oppo will come to light that would disqualify him for other reasons.

This does seem very coordinated, and the reason I believe they're coming after him with so much firepower is because they are terrified of another Mamdani (whom they arrogantly believed would lose the primary) and want to take him out now before his support and profile have grown beyond a certain point of no return. It's intended as a warning shot to any other working class candidates who would ever dare to run on a similar platform. The message is that politics is only for Type-A, Student Government, social climbers like Pete Buttigieg who were grown in a lab to become politicians. Working people with checkered pasts need not apply, unless they embrace MAGA.

We'll see what else comes out about him. I think it's a mistake for the left to treat veterans as irredeemable, but I respect and understand the opposing viewpoint.

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Personally, I think people can grow and change as they get older. I know I have. Some of us grew up in an environment that led to us holding some views we're embarrassed by now. As for those comparing him to Fetterman, Fetterman has been disappointing, but I don't think he even cracks the top 100 of the biggest problems we're currently facing. What I'm saying is that the left needs to wake the fuck up about the gravity of the situation we're currently in and stop voluntarily fracturing at every opportunity.

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