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Hmmm....

1. Zero missile launches or nuclear tests since November 2017, following a 12-month period in which 18 such tests had been conducted.

2. "Satellite imagery reviewed by 38 North , a website that covers North Korea, suggests North Korea is dismantling key parts of the Sohae Satellite Launching Station, where Kim has presided over the launch of rockets meant to put satellites in orbit. So far, a rail-based site for transporting the rockets and a vertical engine testing stand have been dismantled, 38 North reports."
https://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-dismantles-sohae-missile-site-satellite-launch-vehicle-win-for-trump-2018-7

3. "North Korea transferred the remains of an unspecified number of soldiers killed in the Korean War, the White House said on Thursday, a first step by Pyongyang to implement an agreement made in a landmark summit in June in Singapore. The repatriation of remains of U.S. soldiers missing in the 1950-53 conflict is seen as a modest diplomatic coup for U.S. President Donald Trump because it was one of the agreements reached during his summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore on June 12."
https://www.ntd.tv/2018/07/27/north-korea-transfers-remains-of-korean-war-soldiers-white-house/

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4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Ah yes, let's credit Trump for getting the North Koreans to [checks notes] continue returning American KIA remains, which they've been doing since 1990.

To be fair, this was one of my cousin's (the DPRK expert) disappointments, which has been partially addressed.  There is, literally, a warehouse of boxed remains that (may be) American soldiers.  All the Norks have to do is put them on trucks and deliver them to us.  Having that done as PART of the summit would have been the way to go about it.  And remember, Pompeo went to the DMZ to meet about this post-summit, and the Norks stiffed him.  BUT, the fact that something happened at all with the issue of remains is something bilateral, and that's good.  

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58 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Ah yes, let's credit Trump for getting the North Koreans to [checks notes] continue returning American KIA remains, which they've been doing since 1990.

Yet had not done since 2004. C'mon... at least have some integrity in what you're posting. 

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6 hours ago, Swam@Texas said:

Hmmm....

1. Zero missile launches or nuclear tests since November 2017, following a 12-month period in which 18 such tests had been conducted.

2. "Satellite imagery reviewed by 38 North , a website that covers North Korea, suggests North Korea is dismantling key parts of the Sohae Satellite Launching Station, where Kim has presided over the launch of rockets meant to put satellites in orbit. So far, a rail-based site for transporting the rockets and a vertical engine testing stand have been dismantled, 38 North reports."
https://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-dismantles-sohae-missile-site-satellite-launch-vehicle-win-for-trump-2018-7

3. "North Korea transferred the remains of an unspecified number of soldiers killed in the Korean War, the White House said on Thursday, a first step by Pyongyang to implement an agreement made in a landmark summit in June in Singapore. The repatriation of remains of U.S. soldiers missing in the 1950-53 conflict is seen as a modest diplomatic coup for U.S. President Donald Trump because it was one of the agreements reached during his summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore on June 12."
https://www.ntd.tv/2018/07/27/north-korea-transfers-remains-of-korean-war-soldiers-white-house/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/26/north-korea-nuclear-test-site-collapse-may-be-out-of-action-china

Yup, all to Trump's credit

Edit: found a link from the only true source of news

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5 hours ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Even if that were true, it still wouldn't explain why Rocket Man stopped launching missiles into the Pacific at a rate of one every three weeks. On the other hand, seeing three carrier strike groups off his coast probably served as a wake up call when his generals explained to him what each would be capable of accomplishing in the span of three hours. 

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7 hours ago, Swam@Texas said:

Even if that were true, it still wouldn't explain why Rocket Man stopped launching missiles into the Pacific at a rate of one every three weeks. On the other hand, seeing three carrier strike groups off his coast probably served as a wake up call when his generals explained to him what each would be capable of accomplishing in the span of three hours. 

You are right, that's not the only factor. Maybe getting a meeting with Trump to solidify his status was a driving motivation. Our strategies are not the only at play. 

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Kim isn't shooting off missiles because he doesn't need to right now.  He got what he needed while ignoring Trump's bluffs throughout all of the missile tests in 2017, and is now working on getting sanctions lifted while keeping his nuclear ICBMs forever.  Which is obvious to everyone but the most devoted Trump supporters, but also evidenced by him continuing to increase nuclear production while blowing off Trump and Pompeo's efforts to negotiate over CVID.  Next we'll find out that Russia and China have been undermining sanctions and using NK's supposed change of heart on things like missile testing as an excuse. 

But, it's always nice to get back American captives and war remains, jist like was when Dennis Rodman and Bill Richardson and others did so in the past, and I'm happy for the families.

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On 7/22/2018 at 10:52 AM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

The way I see it, the United States is dually competing against the government of North Korea, over it's nuclear program & China, against it's trade policies with current tariffs...

 

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51 minutes ago, kopp0e said:

The way I see it, the United States is dually competing against the government of North Korea, over it's nuclear program & China, against it's trade policies with current tariffs...

 

China has us over a barrel unless we can find another country with the manufacturing capability to produce the cheap consumer goods we are addicted to.

 

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20 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

China has us over a barrel unless we can find another country with the manufacturing capability to produce the cheap consumer goods we are addicted to.

 

But in that case, it becomes a story of "same fate, new master", the United Stated needs to produce these same items that we consume, even if it is at a cost, therefore increasing jobs & revenue for the same products made... But sadly, these companies are all about profits, event at the loss to Americans...

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But in that case, it becomes a story of "same fate, new master", the United Stated needs to produce these same items that we consume, even if it is at a cost, therefore increasing jobs & revenue for the same products made... But sadly, these companies are all about profits, event at the loss to Americans...

I’d love to see some good, understandable analysis on the history of offshore manufacturing of consumer goods.

I mean, I remember cheap plastic toys (soldiers and such) from when I was a kid. They said “made in Japan.” Then it was “made in Taiwan.” Then China. Now, some stuff like that says “made in Vietnam,” or Bangladesh. The point is, since sometime not long after WWII, a shitload of our manufacturing has been offshore.

The laws of economics trump most any other system of incentives, and always have.
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9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


I’d love to see some good, understandable analysis on the history of offshore manufacturing of consumer goods.

I mean, I remember cheap plastic toys (soldiers and such) from when I was a kid. They said “made in Japan.” Then it was “made in Taiwan.” Then China. Now, some stuff like that says “made in Vietnam,” or Bangladesh. The point is, since sometime not long after WWII, a shitload of our manufacturing has been offshore.

The laws of economics trump most any other system of incentives, and always have.

I agree...

And let it be known if I had a multi billion dollar manufacturing venture, knew in the US I had to pay from $12 to $26 bucks an hour vs outsourcing at $2 to $6 an hour, I do the same...

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Hmmm....
1. Zero missile launches or nuclear tests since November 2017, following a 12-month period in which 18 such tests had been conducted.



Jesus, what snowflake was POTUS during that historic 12-month run?
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7 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Does this count as being cucked?

Putin is the one who is probably fucking Melania while Trump watches. Kim is slapping Trump across the face with his dick. Is that also being cucked?

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On 7/28/2018 at 1:03 PM, kopp0e said:

I agree...

And let it be known if I had a multi billion dollar manufacturing venture, knew in the US I had to pay from $12 to $26 bucks an hour vs outsourcing at $2 to $6 an hour, I do the same...

There are other factors at play. Proximity and cost of input resources and components, cost of land, time and cost to start production. China has excelled at putting everything together. You can already be producing something there while you're still trying to source inputs here. 

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On 7/27/2018 at 1:24 PM, Swam@Texas said:

Hmmm....

1. Zero missile launches or nuclear tests since November 2017, following a 12-month period in which 18 such tests had been conducted.

2. "Satellite imagery reviewed by 38 North , a website that covers North Korea, suggests North Korea is dismantling key parts of the Sohae Satellite Launching Station, where Kim has presided over the launch of rockets meant to put satellites in orbit. So far, a rail-based site for transporting the rockets and a vertical engine testing stand have been dismantled, 38 North reports."
https://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-dismantles-sohae-missile-site-satellite-launch-vehicle-win-for-trump-2018-7

3. "North Korea transferred the remains of an unspecified number of soldiers killed in the Korean War, the White House said on Thursday, a first step by Pyongyang to implement an agreement made in a landmark summit in June in Singapore. The repatriation of remains of U.S. soldiers missing in the 1950-53 conflict is seen as a modest diplomatic coup for U.S. President Donald Trump because it was one of the agreements reached during his summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore on June 12."
https://www.ntd.tv/2018/07/27/north-korea-transfers-remains-of-korean-war-soldiers-white-house/

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?destination=%2Fpolitics%2Fnorth-korea-has-not-taken-steps-to-denuclearize-john-bolton-says%2F2018%2F08%2F07%2F9a560ac0-9a51-11e8-8d5e-c6c594024954_story.html%3Ftid%3Dss_tw%26utm_term%3D.d8dd4b4363df&utm_term=.aef96e3c971f

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4 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Swam will run to Shaggy and be congratulated for being right, despite being WRONG in the real world yet again.

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15 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

NK is going to spend the next six months building a bunch of new nukes, hand over half of the new ones in exchange for sanctions relief, and Trump is going to proclaim it a historic achievement. 

Yeah, they won’t be handing over any nukes but they will play Trump again while they can.

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7 hours ago, Mojo Hand said:

NK is going to spend the next six months building a bunch of new nukes, hand over half of the new ones in exchange for sanctions relief, and Trump is going to proclaim it a historic achievement. 

With all the shit coming out today/this week, Lil Kim would make a good punching bag/distraction for Trump right about now.

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Yeah, they were going to do it, but Kim actually had a pretty nice little Saturday planned.  He was going to go to Home Depot, buy some wallpaper, maybe get some flooring, stuff like that. Maybe Bed, Bath, & Beyond, or put critical agreements made towards denuclearization down in writing.   Just didn't have enough time. 

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1 hour ago, Chad Fuck said:

He can blame the failure on Pompeo now.  

And China.

Set up this great deal, I do great deals, I wrote the book! Met Kim and settled his hash. Walked away with a big victory, huge achievement, war averted. No one has ever seen such diplomacy. All is fine.

Chinamen not enforcing deal. SAD! Korea not disarming but not their fault. Chinese must ACT! 

Love and regards to my good friend Kim. See you soon, amigo.

Witch HUNT! NO collusion! I'm not crazy!

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On 7/28/2018 at 10:56 AM, Mojo Hand said:

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Next we'll find out that Russia and China have been undermining sanctions and using NK's supposed change of heart on things like missile testing as an excuse. 

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On 6/25/2018 at 10:08 PM, Mojo Hand said:

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The other aspect of this that I think will play out is that Russia and China will use the summit as cover to help Kim more, under the premise that he's shown good faith by coming to the table.  I think they're happy to sell to him, don't care about his nukes, and now have an excuse to hook him up. 

 

On 6/26/2018 at 10:01 PM, Mojo Hand said:

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And I think we'll find out in a couple of months that China and Russia have been undermining the sanctions post-summit and selling to the Norks, with Trump helpless to stop it, and that Kim is more secure than ever after Trump legitimized him as a head of state worthy of all the pomp we gave him.  We'll never know if Kim would have been taken down internally had Trump not done all of this, but we'll look back and think the best strategy would have been to keep the sanctions pressure high, hope for a coup or change of heart, and save the public head-of-state treatment as a reward for major, concrete steps towards denuclearizing. 

I sincerely hope I'm wrong and you're right, and that in six months there has either been major denuclearization steps or the internal revolution you are indicating will happen.  I just don't see it. 

And right on cue, China has begun trading again with North Korea, undermining our sanctions and destroying our leverage:

Story:

 

WASHINGTON — China has steadily loosened restrictions on trade with North Korea in recent months, undercutting President Donald Trump's effort to exert economic pressure on Kim Jong Un's regime, former U.S. officials and independent experts told NBC News.

From coal shipments to revived construction projects to planes ferrying Chinese tourists to Pyongyang, China has reopened the door to both legal and illegal trade with the North, throwing the North Korean government a vital lifeline while derailing U.S. diplomacy. North Koreadepends almost entirely on its larger neighbor to keep its economy afloat.

The increase in trade can be traced back to March, when the White House stunned Beijing by announcing plans for Trump to hold an unprecedented meeting with the North Korean dictator. Fearing a loss of influence with its often recalcitrant ally, China invited Kim to three successive summits in China, in March, May and June.

While China rolled out the red carpet for Kim, Beijing's enforcement of U.N. sanctions began to soften and its limits on legal commerce also eased, according to regional analysts who track cross-border trade, foreign diplomats and former U.S. officials. As a result, the White House's bid to impose "maximum pressure" on North Korea, in hopes of pushing the regime to abandon its nuclear and missile program, has been dealt a severe blow.

"The Trump administration's much vaunted maximum pressure is now at best minimal pressure," said Daniel Russel, a former senior State Department official who oversaw China policy. "And that means a huge loss of leverage."

Trump's rush to meet with Kim — before U.S. and North Korean officials had time to hammer out a clear agenda or commitments from Pyongyang — doomed a relatively united international front against the North that had been painstakingly assembled, Russel and other former officials said.

Now it could be almost impossible to reconstitute the pressure campaign. Apart from China's reluctance, South Korea's progressive Prime Minister Moon Jae-in is openly promoting economic engagement with the North and does not share Washington's preference for strangling the regime's trade prospects.

The shift is evident at the Chinese port of Longkou, where North Korean cargo ships have been spotted pulling into coal docks, according to data obtained by NBC News from Windward, a firm that uses commercial satellites and other data to track maritime traffic. At least 29 North Korean cargo vessels visited the coal docks in May and June. Prior to that no North Korean ships had paid a visit to the port since January.

Traffic has picked up on the border bridge to the Chinese city of Dandong, a main artery for North Korea. Small trucks carrying coal have been photographed moving across the border bridge, according to NK Pro, a specialist website that focuses exclusively on North Korea.

Coal is a crucial source of revenue for Pyongyang and U.N. sanctions bar North Korea from shipping coal to China or elsewhere.

There are other signs of an economic thaw.

Gasoline prices in North Korea, which had soared as China squeezed fuel supplies last year, have steadily dropped since March. The Trump administration has blasted North Korea for skirting sanctions by obtaining oil at sea, conducting at least 89 ship-to-ship transfers of fuel.

The unofficial exchange rate for the euro in North Korea also shot up in the winter of this year as sanctions began to bite, but the rate came back down by June and July, NK Pro reported. The rate rose to 10,000 North Korean won to one euro in February, and has now returned to about 8,000:1.

.... (more at link)

 

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