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2 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Win five straight.

Matt fucking Nordgren could win five straight with the way this defense is playing.

17 second half points in three weeks. That’s not gonna cut it against Georgia and most of the teams we could face in the CFP.

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1 minute ago, Yev Kassem said:

Matt fucking Nordgren could win five straight with the way this defense is playing.

17 second half points in three weeks. That’s not gonna cut it against Georgia and most of the teams we could face in the CFP.

Man I knew this response was coming.

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We could win the National Title and y’all will still be bitching about if we could have went undefeated and been considered one of the best teams of all time if Sark had went to Arch permanently after Quinn was injured. 

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2 hours ago, joeycovers said:

We could win the National Title and y’all will still be bitching about if we could have went undefeated and been considered one of the best teams of all time if Sark had went to Arch permanently after Quinn was injured. 

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I know Ewers has been up and down, but big thanks to him for transferring to Texas...

It's made a huge difference in our roster and results the last two years -- great players want to play at Texas again!!!  🤘

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10 hours ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Some people are just enamored with backup quarterbacks.

I think you need to look back to the preseason to understand the general frustration. There were questions about the defense.  This was a team expected to win with its offense. Big things were expected out of the OL and the 5 star QB in his 3rd year as a starter, especially the passign game. Now compare that to how the team finished the season. They are winning, because the defense and OL is dominating. The passing game has been the worst aspect of the team (outside of kicking). The last 3 games the passing game has averaged under 200 yards vs suspect pass defenses. The starting QB has given up more pts (14) than the defense (10). Of course, people are questioning the QB. Any rational person would at least wonder what a 5 star QB that adds to the running game would do for the team. The one thing this team needs is consistent QB play. That is one thing Quinn has proven he cannot give the team. A&M game was a perfect example of that. Quinn struggled early, looked like Heisman candidate in the 2Q, and finished turning it over twice in the second half. In that backdrop it is not surprising that fans are arguing between an inconsistent 3 year starting QB and the promise of an inexperienced QB with potential on a team with NC talent. It won't end until Quinn plays to his abilities or Manning comes in and shows what he is capable of bringing to the team. As a Texas fan, I hope it is the former. If it is the latter, it will be a very bumpy road. 

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27 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I think you need to look back to the preseason to understand the general frustration. There were questions about the defense.  This was a team expected to win with its offense. Big things were expected out of the OL and the 5 star QB in his 3rd year as a starter, especially the passign game. Now compare that to how the team finished the season. They are winning, because the defense and OL is dominating. The passing game has been the worst aspect of the team (outside of kicking). The last 3 games the passing game has averaged under 200 yards vs suspect pass defenses. The starting QB has given up more pts (14) than the defense (10). Of course, people are questioning the QB. Any rational person would at least wonder what a 5 star QB that adds to the running game would do for the team. The one thing this team needs is consistent QB play. That is one thing Quinn has proven he cannot give the team. A&M game was a perfect example of that. Quinn struggled early, looked like Heisman candidate in the 2Q, and finished turning it over twice in the second half. In that backdrop it is not surprising that fans are arguing between an inconsistent 3 year starting QB and the promise of an inexperienced QB with potential on a team with NC talent. It won't end until Quinn plays to his abilities or Manning comes in and shows what he is capable of bringing to the team. As a Texas fan, I hope it is the former. If it is the latter, it will be a very bumpy road. 

Perfectly stated. 

Very few are arguing Arch should start. Mostly we’re despondent at how inconsistent Quinn has turned out to be and recognize that he’s the weak link in a championship caliber team, at the one spot where you simply can’t be weak.

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17 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

Perfectly stated. 

Very few are arguing Arch should start. Mostly we’re despondent at how inconsistent Quinn has turned out to be and recognize that he’s the weak link in a championship caliber team, at the one spot where you simply can’t be weak.

I think before this season is over Manning will be the starting QB for the Longhorns. That's my prediction. 

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1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

I know Ewers has been up and down, but big thanks to him for transferring to Texas...

It's made a huge difference in our roster and results the last two years -- great players want to play at Texas again!!!  🤘

In my opinion he’s gotten more out of us than us out of him.

i get the sentiment, but I disagree that he’s made a huge difference in the roster.  Sark, NIL and all the efforts that the unknown persons made, fans and other players that really define the program more than him.

That is not to say he hasn’t made a positive impact on the roster but just like the wins he’s as much the beneficiary because of the name on the front of the jersey and the program.

Guys like Alfred Collins and Vernon Broughton and Jahdae Barron have had massive impacts this season and beat him to campus all the while showing some patience and perseverance.

While QB may be the most important position, you simply will not win unless the totality of the parts are pretty damn good.  People are enamored with the trait of his arm but at the end of the day, he’s not making more, better throws than other QBs.  But he doesn’t have to do so.  90% of the throws are pretty basic, every day throws.  Against the Aggies, he made several off schedule plays that were difference makers.  That’s a big plus for what we need out of him.

So I look forward to this thread if we win it all but will be annoyed at the same time.  We simply have the best, deepest roster we’ve had in my lifetime.

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Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, F250 said:

We are more likely to win with Quinn.

Unless you think Satk doesn't give a fuck about winning and keeping his job, it makes no sense to switch to QB2 at this point.

The reason to give Arch more playing time isn't to beat Georgia, it's to beat Oregon. We can stumble along and pray that Quinn doesn't hit a wall, but if/when that happens, we're gonna need someone far more prepared than Garrett Gilbert was when Colt McCoy got injured. Does anyone remember how absolutely painful that was to see an amazing defense stop Alabama time and again only to see Gilbert stink up the field on offense. It wasn't his fault, it was Mack's. It wasn't Colt's fault, he was injured.

The same thing is at play with Quinn. He's injured, and that injury (injuries) seem to have hobbled every aspect of his game, especially the ability to tuck it up (or should I say the desire to tuck it up) and run. Has anyone mentioned when he tiptoed down the right sideline and then sort of gave up on the run... because not only had he made first down yardage, he had an open field ahead of him... but I'm pretty sure you can see him let up and lean right only to realize a millisecond later he could be in the end zone in five seconds. But too late, his momentum with that step carried him out of bounds. That's fucking mental. It isn't his fault, he's injured.

I don't want to see another game like that loss to Alabama... or last year's Washington game. We shoulda won that game. We've got a team capable of winning it all, just not with an injury prone, injured Quinn. To battle for an entire season and to get all the way there, only to lay a turd. Fuck that. Sark needs to work Arch into the offense beginning Saturday.

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Ewers has frustrated me many times this season, but I’ve come around to the position that we can win with him when he’s good. Incorporating Manning doesn’t hurt. If it came down to Quinn needing to make a long, game winning touchdown drive or Bert Auburn needing to make a 45+ yard FG to win a championship, I’m putting my money on Ewers in that situation. I have no real faith in our kicking game with high stakes on the line. 

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18 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Multiple people critical of Quinn have admitted they were wrong on some occasions with analysis of him.....yet when they put forth criticisms with correct analysis you or ThatGuy can never do the same. You move goal post, provide strawmen, and shift blame every time. 

We will see what Quinn we get vs Georgia and I hope it's not what we had last time we played Georgia. 

And one day you will learn that if you protect the dude he will be fine. You can't allow 7 sacks and a million pressures and expect the QB to play well. You and the others asking for miracles is what we have a problem with. Holding Quinn to a standard you don't have for others. Btw, we looked exactly the same from a pocket presence/sack/pressure standpoint when Arch came in the game too. And I was told he was far superior at moving in the pocket and pocket presence in general. 

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If Arch begins seeing more playing time this Saturday... and it turns out he's a quick study and we've only just begun to tap his potential... and over the next two games, he shines, then we'll be there. We'll be as far as we can go this year with a QB tandem ready to take down the Ducks. At the end of that game, the shell-shocked Ducks will be yelling.... DUCK!

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1 hour ago, Ghost of Shag said:

Perfectly stated. 

Very few are arguing Arch should start. Mostly we’re despondent at how inconsistent Quinn has turned out to be and recognize that he’s the weak link in a championship caliber team, at the one spot where you simply can’t be weak.

It's "very few" now that he's won five straight. 

The problem with constantly clamoring for the backup is that it's so easy. 

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Quinn has been inconsistent since his injury.  I am hoping he improves and becomes more consistent and cuts out the soul crushing errors.  One thing he has done better is limit the three and outs that were killing us in earlier post injury games this year.

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9 hours ago, Yev Kassem said:

Matt fucking Nordgren could win five straight with the way this defense is playing.

17 second half points in three weeks. That’s not gonna cut it against Georgia and most of the teams we could face in the CFP.

Did it ever occurred to any of you with this "in a vacuum" opinion that Sark is calling the game based on the situation and what he thinks his defense will do? 

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12 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

And one day you will learn that if you protect the dude he will be fine. You can't allow 7 sacks and a million pressures and expect the QB to play well. You and the others asking for miracles is what we have a problem with. Holding Quinn to a standard you don't have for others. Btw, we looked exactly the same from a pocket presence/sack/pressure standpoint when Arch came in the game too. And I was told he was far superior at moving in the pocket and pocket presence in general. 

Are you kidding me? We protected him against Aggie and he imploded.

What the fuck are you watching? It was sheer luck that he didn’t get picked off three times in that game. 

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11 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Against Georgia, Quinn could have ended up with about 6 picks.

Here we are after game 12 and people are still hoping and wishing Quinn takes the reigns of the offense. Tells you all you need to know.

Yep. The fact that after 30+ games as a starter in this system and we still don't have any clue which version of the QB is going to show up is not a good thing. I don't understand how some people are glossing over this like it is a nothing burger.

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23 hours ago, Codaxx said:

No pressure on that play. Just threw it a bit early and behind.

 

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22 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He saw it and wanted to throw it before helm got to the first defender. Looks like helm thought he’d cross that defender and then look for it- like the play where he basically took the ball from Bryce Anderson later in the game. 

 

21 hours ago, dcar00 said:

where is the safety on that play?

 

21 hours ago, hook me said:

 

Ready to blow Helm up if QE waits another second to throw that. QE read that perfectly, the LB covering Helm was covering for the LB that blitzed on Helms side. He's having to come across the entire formation and there's no way for him to get there in time. If Helm would have read his guy blitzing and realized he was the hot read that's a first down and a big play if he can make Anderson miss.

Helm is supposed to recognize hot there and break it off and present himself. Same on the Bond play. But Ewers....

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9 hours ago, joeycovers said:

We could win the National Title and y’all will still be bitching about if we could have went undefeated and been considered one of the best teams of all time if Sark had went to Arch permanently after Quinn was injured. 

Ewers was supposed to be a Heisman candidate. He was definitely supposed to play well enough to get to the presentation ceremony. And he was definitely supposed to be a first round pick after this year. None of that has come to fruition and we're to the point where we actually have to worry about the guy coming back next year and ruining our plans with Arch. The fact that we are sitting here with one loss, having made the playoffs, and are in the SEC title game despite all of this is not good for Quinn, imo. He underperformed. Even worse, he solidified himself as "guy with injury concerns".

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1 minute ago, HtownHorn said:

I don't understand how some people are glossing over this like it is a nothing burger.

Because we have no control over it and there is no clear alternative that is obviously superior. Arch isn't a lock to be a better QB going into the SEC championship and playoffs and Owens definitely isn't.

One of my sad Aggie friends was lamenting the upcoming loss of Connor Weigman and saying just handing the keys to the kingdom over to Marcel Reed is a long-term mistake. He said he thinks it was smart for Sark to stick with Quinn and avoid trying out the shiny new object when Quinn struggled and stick to a plan and work towards a plan with confidence. I agree with the Ag and, I suppose, with Sark. (He wishes Elko had done the same with Weigman and that Weigman will go to another school and turn out to be a better QB than whatever A&M trots out for the next 2 years, a'la OU/Oregon Arnold/Gabriel.)

Do I, personally, want Arch to play? Absolutely, but it's for reasons beyond what is most likely to produce the best results overall for the team in the short/medium term (all we have remaining for this season). I want Arch to play for aesthetic and emotional reasons, for fan reasons.

My brain recognizes that we have a coach who is intelligently managing a team/roster and I trust that management.

Quinn is our QB, warts and all, because he is pretty clearly the better option in terms of winning the football games ahead of us. As cool as it would be to know Arch was starting and then start building stories in our heads about how he's going to be some hot-tempered, dynamic, play-making god, that's really just us having a fun time inventing stories in our heads.

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Did it ever occurred to any of you with this "in a vacuum" opinion that Sark is calling the game based on the situation and what he thinks his defense will do? 

I don’t doubt he is to an extent. I understand and agree with that to a point. But damn, he needs to quite praying the defense only gives up 10 points a game.
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31 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Did it ever occurred to any of you with this "in a vacuum" opinion that Sark is calling the game based on the situation and what he thinks his defense will do? 

Well……he keeps fucking winning, so I’m inclined to give the man a little credit and say he probably knows what he’s doing.

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37 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Did it ever occurred to any of you with this "in a vacuum" opinion that Sark is calling the game based on the situation and what he thinks his defense will do? 

No but it occurred to me that Sark calls a conservative game when Quinn is the QB. He tried calling more aggressive games in his first 2-3 years with less success. Then he adjusted. I think he prefers more aggressive play calling when he has the weapons ( see Bama and Arch). 

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48 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

And one day you will learn that if you protect the dude he will be fine. You can't allow 7 sacks and a million pressures and expect the QB to play well. You and the others asking for miracles is what we have a problem with. Holding Quinn to a standard you don't have for others. Btw, we looked exactly the same from a pocket presence/sack/pressure standpoint when Arch came in the game too. And I was told he was far superior at moving in the pocket and pocket presence in general. 

He’s been horrible for the last 3 weeks in the second half of games. Our protection hasn’t been the problem. 
Why are you incapable of acknowledging that?

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15 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Ewers was supposed to be a Heisman candidate. He was definitely supposed to play well enough to get to the presentation ceremony. And he was definitely supposed to be a first round pick after this year.

“Was supposed to”???? According to what laws of the universe was he supposed to do those things? 

 The preseason hype machine?  The $9.95ers that make up whatever shit you want to hear so you’ll click and share it?  The homer message board posters?  The national media that forms opinions on a few highlights of hundreds of players?  

If you believed all that shit it’s on you.
 

 

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Just now, Your Mom said:

“Was supposed to”???? According to what laws of the universe was he supposed to do those things? 

 The preseason hype machine?  The $9.95ers that make up whatever shit you want to hear so you’ll click and share it?  The homer message board posters?  The national media that forms opinions on a few highlights of hundreds of players?  

If you believed all that shit it’s on you.
 

 

So your opinion preseason was the Quinn would be a middle of the road QB? What a stupid post

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3 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

“Was supposed to”???? According to what laws of the universe was he supposed to do those things? 

 The preseason hype machine?  The $9.95ers that make up whatever shit you want to hear so you’ll click and share it?  The homer message board posters?  The national media that forms opinions on a few highlights of hundreds of players?  

If you believed all that shit it’s on you.
 

 

Don’t be fucking obtuse. Quinn was near the top of the list on any Heisman watch list one could find…Vegas not withstanding. Based on the progress he made over the last few years, that was a completely reasonable line of thinking.

Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit.

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27 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Did it ever occurred to any of you with this "in a vacuum" opinion that Sark is calling the game based on the situation and what he thinks his defense will do? 

Sark has called run plays at 55% or more in 5 games this year (CSU, ULM, Ark, UK, and A&M). Margin of victory in ULM and CSU was 100 pts, so absolute blow outs. Lot of running late in the game to skew results. He has also done it the last 3 games. He is doing to protect the defense. I give him credit for that. You know he wants to chuck it deep and win with an exciting brand of football, instead he is calling plays to protect his defense. 

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

So your opinion preseason was the Quinn would be a middle of the road QB? What a stupid post

He was the Heisman favorite after Michigan. I think 250 yards is bare minimum to expect of Quinn in each game. He's hit that mark 3 out of 9 times this season. He averaged 290 last year, and is averaging 231 this year. He has regressed big time over the 2nd half of the season. Wishing it away for some people is not changing what other people clearly see.

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1 minute ago, Ghost of Shag said:

Don’t be fucking obtuse. Quinn was near the top of the list on any Heisman watch list one could find…Vegas not withstanding.

The point is those lists get it wrong every fucking year. There are always names on those lists that prove themselves not worthy by the end of the year. You’re a fucking idiot if you read those and put any stock into them whatsoever.

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1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Sark has called run plays at 55% or more in 5 games this year (CSU, ULM, Ark, UK, and A&M). Margin of victory in ULM and CSU was 100 pts, so absolute blow outs. Lot of running late in the game to skew results. He has also done it the last 3 games. He is doing to protect the defense. I give him credit for that. You know he wants to chuck it deep and win with an exciting brand of football, instead he is calling plays to protect his defense. 

True. Quinn has allowed more points to the opposing team in the last two weeks than the Texas defense.

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2 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

The point is those lists get it wrong every fucking year. There are always names on those lists that prove themselves not worthy by the end of the year. You’re a fucking idiot if you read those and put any stock into them whatsoever.

What was your expectation for Quinn this year? Has he met it? It has nothing to do with the lists. Do you not understand why the preseason hype existed?

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13 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

“Was supposed to”???? According to what laws of the universe was he supposed to do those things? 

 The preseason hype machine?  The $9.95ers that make up whatever shit you want to hear so you’ll click and share it?  The homer message board posters?  The national media that forms opinions on a few highlights of hundreds of players?  

If you believed all that shit it’s on you.
 

 

So let me get this straight. I should not expect the third year starter of a team that made the playoffs last year, has an experienced OL with multiple draft picks on it, has multiple great receiving threats, and Sarkisian as a playcaller to perform in a way to where he gets Heisman love? That's the take?

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39 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

 

 

Helm is supposed to recognize hot there and break it off and present himself. Same on the Bond play. But Ewers....

there is an option on that play, which we have seen multiple times, to have Helm beat the LB over the top, but Quinn and Helm have to read the safety.

I'd say it is more likely Helm messed up but no one really knows.

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3 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

And Georgia the two years before that.   

Stetson Bennett accounted for over 7400 Total yards and 68 total TDs while guiding the Bulldogs to back to back championships. You are fucking retarded.

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3 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

JJ McCarthy was also a Top 10 pick the NFL draft, not quite the same.

Seriously....McCarthy was drafted top 10. Do we expect that from Quinn? I suppose he could go on a real heater in the playoffs to win it all, but.....yeah.

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The clock changes really allow a team with a lead the ability to run out the clock in the 4th quarter much easier than it was a few years ago. It used to frustrate me to no end trying to run out the clock too early. I was always of the opinion that you run your normal offense and score a TD and that is the best way to run out the clock. But now, running down the clock for a while 4th quarter seems to be pretty effective.

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3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I'd say it is more likely Helm messed up but no one really knows.

With what we have seen so far this season, I trust Helm was right more than Ewers. Ewers threw it away because he saw pressure, if he pump fakes the safety, Helm has a massive gain.

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11 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

True. Quinn has allowed more points to the opposing team in the last two weeks than the Texas defense.

We got shutout by aggy in the second half.   Scored 7 on UK and 10 on Arkansas, 6 against Vandy.  That is not all on Quinn but he has to take some blame.  
 

Georgia shut us out in the first half.  

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