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53 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Nah man.  I get your wanting the family to approve what is happening. But you are operating under a terribly mistaken belief that the family somehow has a right to control what was happening.  They don’t. They never do. It would be fucked up if they did. They are angry family members with a legitimate reason to be angry, but with zero reason to run the show.    

The goal is to convict an accused murderer, not to let family members spend the county’s money for three months so they can stare angrily at the accused in trial, no matter how much they want that.

No, the families are pissed. You don’t tell the family you’re going to fight for the death penalty, take a back room deal, and then send them an email to inform them. This was a disgrace. 

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39 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said:

Why does he have a right to any of those things? He's an inmate for fucks sake 

Many states have laws against profiting from such things. 

But for non-profit (to the defendant) interviews, the right is really more that of the press and the public, or that's the way it is going to be analyzed. 

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28 minutes ago, Foosters said:

How is it a back room deal? Every one of your posts read like the families are a party to the case.

I'm not even arguing that it wasn't poorly handled. But to act like this is some grave injustice seems a bit much.

Yeah the prosecution doesn't work for the families. Period. Do they get some consideration? Sure, but not that much. 

They serve the interest of people, which includes not spending a shit ton of public money to satisfy a handful of aggrieved people. 

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I think Ethan and Maddie’s loved ones are ok with this deal. Clearly the Gonclaves family is not. Xana’s family wanted the trial but I have no idea about their feelings on the DP. Both Xana’s family and Kaylee’s have been vocal that they were pissed with the way this deal went down. Having said all that it does appear all the family’s will be in court tomorrow along with BK’s family. Ethan’s and Brian’s family already put out a statement requesting privacy and won’t be doing any interviews. Hopefully the sentencing date won’t be scheduled too far off, the parents have already waited a while for a trial and they were all prepared to move to Idaho for the duration of it which was expected to start in August. 
 

and no I wouldn’t care if a giant anvil fell out of the sky and flatted him to the core of the earth. I hope they eventually the families will find solace in knowing at some point that the next ten or so years of their lives won’t be filled with appeals.
 

But it will take them a while to switch gears, they had all already committed to being there for the entire trial which was in just a little over a month and they are just having to change their mindset having been somewhat blindsided by the deal over the weekend. They were all gearing up for a long trial. A battle. Now they have to shift their minds to the new reality so I’m not going to judge them for feeling any type of way after they were all ready to go to trial. 
 

and I bet this fucker will eventually grant interviews. Rooting for an anvil for him. 

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Posted
29 minutes ago, Foosters said:

How is it a back room deal? Every one of your posts read like the families are a party to the case.

I'm not even arguing that it wasn't poorly handled. But to act like this is some grave injustice seems a bit much.

The families met with the prosecution quite a bit and they assured them they were going for the death penalty. They then accepted a deal and didn’t bother to tell them. Poorly handled is an understatement. Pricks. 

Posted
9 minutes ago, Hitch said:

No, the families are pissed. You don’t tell the family you’re going to fight for the death penalty, take a back room deal, and then send them an email to inform them. This was a disgrace. 

Sounds familiar.

I get the righteous indignation. People get unjustifiably screwed on "deals." Unfortunately, it happens all the time, whether that happens in the jury box or at the ballot one. In this particular case, unless there's some sort of complete and utter societal breakdown, we know that this individual will no longer be capable of harming other innocents. At the end of the day, and in the abstract, we can be fairly certain that guy will die in a place where he's not likely to do much more harm to society at large. At least there's a cap to contain that damage. Sure, none of that can truly assuage the revenge, harm, or any other hateful thoughts they might feel, and I certainly feel an immense sense of pity for the shit they're going through, but there's some semblance of justice - even if it doesn't scratch that itch.

I will say, however, I don't quite get the compulsion/obsession with this kind of stuff when there are so many other examples of people getting shit on across the country and around the world where the victims are even more numerous, the crimes are equally (if not more) heinous, and the damage is more widely spread among the thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of victims of injustice. It's the picking and choosing of folks we should feel sorry for that kind of bugs me.

Four young women are brutally murdered? Grab the pitchforks. It's an unforgivably horrendous crime. Four hundred thousand old people die early deaths because their government cuts off medical care in order to give tax breaks to billionaires? Hey, there's a couple of brown kids who speak a diffferent language or worship a different god. Therefore, their lives are expendable? Let's not discuss that in polite company so as to not disturb social etiquette and broach the topic of politics.

It's horrible that those young women died, but this double-standard shit is so out of whack, inconsistent, and immoral.

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I mean, there are psychopaths among us, for sure. There's nothing we can do about their existence, but what in God's Earth says we should empower them? Seriously. I've got to say, turning off "give a shit" for people based on their social, political, racial, national, or religious standing is just so fucking gross, but that's where we're at when we pick and choose victims based in teevee attention.

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12 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Four young women are brutally murdered? Grab the pitchforks. It's an unforgivably horrendous crime. Four hundred thousand old people die early deaths because their government cuts off medical care in order to give tax breaks to billionaires.

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8 minutes ago, Bevo said:
28 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Four young women are brutally murdered? Grab the pitchforks. It's an unforgivably horrendous crime. Four hundred thousand old people die early deaths because their government cuts off medical care in order to give tax breaks to billionaires.

I see nothing other than your quoting of my post, and I've checked two laptops, plus a cellphone. What's your point?

What's wrong with being upset by the deaths of both sets of innocents?

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Sounds familiar.

I get the righteous indignation. People get unjustifiably screwed on "deals." Unfortunately, it happens all the time, whether that happens in the jury box or at the ballot one. In this particular case, unless there's some sort of complete and utter societal breakdown, we know that this individual will no longer be capable of harming other innocents. At the end of the day, and in the abstract, we can be fairly certain that guy will die in a place where he's not likely to do much more harm to society at large. At least there's a cap to contain that damage. Sure, none of that can truly assuage the revenge, harm, or any other hateful thoughts they might feel, and I certainly feel an immense sense of pity for the shit they're going through, but there's some semblance of justice - even if it doesn't scratch that itch.

I will say, however, I don't quite get the compulsion/obsession with this kind of stuff when there are so many other examples of people getting shit on across the country and around the world where the victims are even more numerous, the crimes are equally (if not more) heinous, and the damage is more widely spread among the thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of victims of injustice. It's the picking and choosing of folks we should feel sorry for that kind of bugs me.

Four young women are brutally murdered? Grab the pitchforks. It's an unforgivably horrendous crime. Four hundred thousand old people die early deaths because their government cuts off medical care in order to give tax breaks to billionaires? Hey, there's a couple of brown kids who speak a diffferent language or worship a different god. Therefore, their lives are expendable? Let's not discuss that in polite company so as to not disturb social etiquette and broach the topic of politics.

It's horrible that those young women died, but this double-standard shit is so out of whack, inconsistent, and immoral.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Will plea hearing today be shown live and if yes, where will it be shown??? 

Yes. Most 24/7 news stations will cover along with Court TV and other crime channels that cover trials. It will happen at 1 pm EST/ 12 pm CST. 
 

a verdict is in now for the P Diddy shit. 

Posted
11 hours ago, Hitch said:

No, the families are pissed.

You’re painting with very broad strokes. One family is being very loud. One family has stayed quiet. Two other families have said they’re totally good with not going through the trauma of a trial.

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Found this... so Noon central time

https://www.newsweek.com/bryan-kohberger-hearing-how-watch-2093422

What Time Is the Hearing?

Kohberger is due to appear before Idaho Fourth Judicial District Judge Steven Hippler for a change of plea hearing at the Ada County Courthouse,    in Boise at 11 a.m. MDT  (1 p.m. ET), according to a notice filed on Monday.

How To Watch the Hearing

The proceedings will be live-streamed  on YouTube  by the court.

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Hippler on Tuesday denied requests by media outlets to record Wednesday's hearing.

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, LTtxfan said:

Wish BK was in chains and prison orange jumpsuit for this plea hearing...  😡

Why? What difference does it make? It’s not like he’s spending the night at the Four Seasons tonight. Psycho dude is going to spend the rest of his life in prison. Who the fuck cares what he’s wearing at a court hearing? The asshole’s life is effectively over if the judge accepts the plea. 

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12 minutes ago, royiv said:

Why? What difference does it make? It’s not like he’s spending the night at the Four Seasons tonight. Psycho dude is going to spend the rest of his life in prison. Who the fuck cares what he’s wearing at a court hearing? The asshole’s life is effectively over if the judge accepts the plea. 

Hopefully it's literally over when he gets some yard justice within a few months 

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3 hours ago, royiv said:

You’re painting with very broad strokes. One family is being very loud. One family has stayed quiet. Two other families have said they’re totally good with not going through the trauma of a trial.

I mean, what else are they going to say? They weren’t kept in the loop. I understand why the DA went the lazy, easy route. Just at least tell the families before you fuck them. 

 

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Why are you guys so obsessed with putting someone to death? It’s incredibly expensive, time consuming and a waste of resources that only draws out the trauma for the families. It’s not like life in prison is some walk in the park. 

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Posted
17 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I mean, what else are they going to say? They weren’t kept in the loop. I understand why the DA went the lazy, easy route. Just at least tell the families before you fuck them. 

 

Lazy and easy route? Is it your belief the death penalty was guaranteed by a jury if a trial were held?

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Posted
7 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

Lazy and easy route? Is it your belief the death penalty was guaranteed by a jury if a trial were held?

Slam dunk. 

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The hearing went as to be expected, the judge took seriously his role in making sure Bk knew the charges against him and was not being coerced and was not on any substances and happy with his attorney and so forth, 

 

he pleaded guilty and he was wearing a suit, looked and sounded just like any other dude. With about as much inflection when he was answering yes to all the crimes and if he understood everything as someone ordering a venti dark roast with cream and sugar. Nuts.

 

i do a shitty job paraphrasing so Brian Entin who was in court captured all of it. It’s on his page. Zero emotion from BK as to be expected if he is what most of us think him to be a psycho. The murder weapon has never been recovered so I don’t know if they wanted to make its location if it could be found part of his plea or not. 

 

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Posted
16 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

Add to that he most likely is a psychopath. And even if I’m wrong in my armchair diagnosis—I truly believe he feels no remorse. He doesn’t care about their pain and anger and rage but he will have to listen to them at his sentencing hearing, The type of person who would set out to do what he has allegedly done feels nothing for the parents and their pain. And never will. 

Do you care about the pain and anger of the families of your victims?

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A lawyer for Maddie Morgan’s family read a statement to reporters outside the courthouse while they were standing behind him.
 

They wholeheartedly support and accept the plea deal.  
 

Maddie’s family also conveyed their sympathy to the families of murdered  firefighters and for the pain any parents who have lost a child feel.

The family of Maddie Morgan wrote they  understand there are some who do not support the plea but hope that those who do not support it will at least respect their decision.
this has been an awful chapter in their lives and they wish to move towards healing and turn the page toward a new chapter. 

They thanked everyone for all the support and kindness they have received and for people and the media respecting their privacy. 

Posted (edited)

Also BK was allowed to wear suit like attire today because until he accepted the plea deal and changed his plea to guilty he was cloaked in the presumption of innocence. Now that he has accepted the deal he will be in the orange jumpsuit for the July 23-24th sentencing hearing. No longer will he have the presumption of innocence. 
 

also all families will remain under the gag order they have been under the past two plus years regarding BK and the case. Once the sentencing hearing concludes they will be free to say how they feel about the case and Bk and so on. 

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The "Interview Room podcast" crew are upset with how involved the University of Idaho was during the entire investigation from the beginning....

One guy said the University was allowed way too much access and he was concerned that the killer might be connected to the University -- terrible protocol during the investigation.  University also oversaw teardown of house.  The panel was also frustrated that the prosecution asked for the gag order to stay in place -- lots of commentary about how this prosecution did a terrible job throughout the last 2 1/2 years.

Feels like folks in Idaho just want this thing to go away quickly since they haven't tried many death penalty cases -- hell they might have been scared the prosecution might screw up and lose this case.

 

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2 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

The "Interview Room podcast" crew are upset with how involved the University of Idaho was during the entire investigation from the beginning....

One guy said the University was allowed way to much access and he was concerned that the killer might be connected to the University -- terrible protocol during the investigation.  They were also frustrated that the prosecution asked for the gag order to stay in place -- lots of commentary about how this prosecution did a terrible job throughout the last 2 1/2 years.

Feels like folks in Idaho just want this thing to go away quickly since they haven't tried many death penalty cases -- hell they might have been scared the prosecution might screw up and lose this case.

 

They absolutely wanted this to go away.

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It has that mayor of Amity in Jaws feel to all of this. And Amity, as you know means friendship and they will be open for the 4th of July gosh damnit all to hell. 🦈 

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20 minutes ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

 

Why is Kaylee the only human being? 

Probably just trying to transcribe it quickly, I listened live and the Judge said the same thing for each victim which was fairly descriptive, 

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2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

The "Interview Room podcast" crew are upset with how involved the University of Idaho was during the entire investigation from the beginning....

One guy said the University was allowed way too much access and he was concerned that the killer might be connected to the University -- terrible protocol during the investigation.  University also oversaw teardown of house.  The panel was also frustrated that the prosecution asked for the gag order to stay in place -- lots of commentary about how this prosecution did a terrible job throughout the last 2 1/2 years.

Feels like folks in Idaho just want this thing to go away quickly since they haven't tried many death penalty cases -- hell they might have been scared the prosecution might screw up and lose this case.

 

Thompson is a clown, those crocodile tears weren’t fooling anyone. What a mess. 

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