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Just now, Sawbonz said:

Maybe I’m just bad at google but I don’t see anything about a company being required to demonstrate dei in order to obtain a loan. Are you talking about accessing funds guaranteed by tax dollars or something? Seriously just post a link 

ESG as I stated, but you already knew that. Start with Barclays, BoA, Paribas, HSBC.  

I’d be nervous af if I gave someone 25m and they couldn’t utilize Google. I assume you gave some excellent partners. 
 

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3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

ESG as I stated, but you already knew that. Start with Barclays, BoA, Paribas, HSBC.  

I’d be nervous af if I gave someone 25m and they couldn’t utilize Google. I assume you gave some excellent partners. 
 

All I could find is some banks will give you points for having a dei program. Can you link something that says they won’t give you a loan at all without one?

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Just now, Sawbonz said:

All I could find is some banks will give you points for having a dei program. Can you link something that says they won’t give you a loan at all without one?

Do you know the difference between ESG and DEI?  Couldn’t help but notice you’ve ignored one entirely, over several replies, even after it was specifically noted thru several of my posts.  Curious.   Disappointed doc. 

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2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Do you know the difference between ESG and DEI?  Couldn’t help but notice you’ve ignored one entirely, over several replies, even after it was specifically noted thru several of my posts.  Curious.   Disappointed doc. 

Well this is the racism thread and your initial post I was responding to was specifically discussing your experience with dei questions you were asked, so I’m not sure why you think my focus is weird.
 

I take it that you don’t have any examples of a company not being able to get a loan without a dei program (I guess for completeness you can add environmentally friendly or sustainability programs if you want but you didn’t mention being asked about those things)

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In 24 hours, my youngest will turn 5. And I will explain to her that it’s Good Friday.  A man walked into Golgotha knowing his fate all those centuries ago.  Dying to save us from ourselves.  And many family members and friends will call her to wish her a happy birthday.  And a troubling number of them will then hang up and order one of Trump’s bibles.  And I will contemplate what will become of her country when I am long gone.  
 

the worst among us is literally fundraising off of Bible sales to fund his criminal enterprise law suits.  And I have to pray tonight for sanity and then walk them into holy weekend masses.  All the while, pretending I don’t really think this is an illusion.  Admittedly, it’s an affront to other faiths of the world to consider this to just be an “our” problem, but it sure as shit feels like one.  The man upstairs doesn’t talk to us for 2000+ years. And then 75mm people pick this fucking guy to lead us and hock his many leather bound volumes?   And we’re supposed to rest easy and maintain faith?  

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6 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Well this is the racism thread and your initial post I was responding to was specifically discussing your experience with dei questions you were asked, so I’m not sure why you think my focus is weird.
 

I take it that you don’t have any examples of a company not being able to get a loan without a dei program (I guess for completeness you can add environmentally friendly or sustainability programs if you want but you didn’t mention being asked about those things)

DEI falls under the umbrella of ESG. It’s the “S”. At least that’s how most corporate designs see it, from what I understand.

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7 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

I take it that you don’t have any examples of a company not being able to get a loan without a dei program (I guess for completeness you can add environmentally friendly or sustainability programs if you want but you didn’t mention being asked about those things)

Lots of them weren’t doing ESG and DEI movements until their lenders that fund them said they had to.  Now, it’s super duper important. I’m sure it’s because they really really want to, though.  
 

Reading and magnets. How do they work? 

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3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Lots of them weren’t doing ESG and DEI movements until their lenders that fund them said they had to.  Now, it’s super duper important. I’m sure it’s because they really really want to, though.  
 

Reading and magnets. How do they work? 

Again you haven’t linked any lender that shows a company *has* to prove ESG or DEI to get a loan

 

From what I read online there is a new type of loan since around 2017 that gives a discount to companies that can demonstrate an ESG program

 

Chase gives me a discount on my car note if I let them auto draft the monthly payment. Doesn’t mean I can’t get a car loan if I don’t do that 

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I’m sure these multi billion international Fortune 500 financial firms are just begging to staff their tens of thousands of jobs with only white people, but are just so unfairly treated. I could never imagine in my lifetime that being an open racist wouldn’t only be socially acceptable but revered. I hate that my kids are going to live in a world where each of their accomplishments will be questioned by half the population as DEI. Way worse than even I’ve faced. Or as fatty would say “fuck them kids.”

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51 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I hate that my kids are going to live in a world where each of their accomplishments will be questioned by half the population as DEI

This has been happening with affirmative action for decades.   Just a new name.  

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55 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Yea, racists have been racist for decades. Good observation idiot. The difference is that it’s now popular to not only be racist but to say it out loud. 

I think he is saying that affirmative action (and some DEI policies) are racist by technical and academic definition (by virtue of race being the sole influence) versus the jargon use of racism we use to denote Caucasians being unfair to BIPOCs.

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1 minute ago, 'stache said:

It's almost as though people who were considered property for 200+ years, then "less than" for another hundred years, all while being denied the same opportunities for education, higher education, and in the workforce, might have some generational effects that logical people feel deserve to be addressed. But that's crazy, I guess. Everything's the same now. Give me a fucking break.

I take your point and generally agree, but the fact is still it's a racist policy insomuch as the word racist has a specific meaning. Now, I think that says more about etymology and sociology.

It would be interesting if the word "racist" can be taken back as one of those words that started as a negative term but was reclaimed and turned positive term by the marginalized class as society becomes more aware and educated (e.g. "queer", "socialist", etc.)

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Just now, BeardIP said:

I take your point and generally agree, but the fact is still it's a racist policy insomuch as the word racist has a specific meaning. Now, I think that says more about etymology and sociology.

It would be interesting if the word "racist" can be taken back as one of those words that started as a negative term but was reclaimed and turned positive term by the marginalized class as society becomes more aware and educated (e.g. "queer", "socialist", etc.)

I edited the post to address this, you're not describing "racism."

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8 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I edited the post to address this, you're not describing "racism."

Good edit. I googled racism and see there are multiple entries. I think the one I was inferring was more:

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prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

To your point though, I think the better term for what he was describing is "racial discrimination" versus "racism".

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The real bottom line is that we've reached a point where white people can actually visualize an America where they AREN'T in complete control of every single institution of power, and minorities will be.  And white people are fucking TERRIFIED that when minorities are in control, they'll treat white people as shitty as white people treated the minorities when THEY were in power.  It's all about fear of having done unto them as they have done unto others.

One million pecent this. This is the THING.

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12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The real bottom line is that we've reached a point where white people can actually visualize an America where they AREN'T in complete control of every single institution of power, and minorities will be.  And white people are fucking TERRIFIED that when minorities are in control, they'll treat white people as shitty as white people treated the minorities when THEY were in power.  It's all about fear of having done unto them as they have done unto others.

I think you are 100% right and I'm reminded by your post that Louis CK has this great routine where he talks about white people and how modern history has been great to white people, but they can foresee a time when the pendulum swings, as nothing lasts forever, they (white) people are going to get their comeuppance and pay for their historical behaviors. I'll try to find it and link it, it's pretty funny.

Also, and I think germane to this thread, I think that is why there has been so extreme a pushback on CRT. CRT the real CRT (as practiced at the scholarly and university level) not the false flag CRT that GOP operatives have decried as "woke in schools". 

CRT purports, by it's adherents, scholars, and supporters, to be just about the investigation and study through the critical lens and informing of past and historical facts through that lens, but I think a lot of the white folks think they can see around the corner that CRT won't stop at this and ultimately will end up pushing for a response and action which, at best won't include or benefit them, and at worst detract and take from them. Proverbial camel nose in the tent kind of stuff.

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14 minutes ago, safe sex said:

I see Chrispy is finally starting to get tired of his latest account.

Hey! Good to see you.

I am completely underwater today! Can you PLEASE run and get me an Americano and then change the thread title to "2024" from "2023"? Thanks in advance! Good to see you!

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1 minute ago, Pancho said:

It’s okay, BeardIP and fatty don’t say DEI with a hard I at the end.

I actually am Pro-DEI (and ESG). I'm an eco-nerd and have grown to be anti-billionaire.

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1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Yea, racists have been racist for decades. Good observation idiot. The difference is that it’s now popular to not only be racist but to say it out loud. 

Idiot?  That’s not nice.  Especially coming from someone insinuating that this is some new issue their kids will face, knowing it’s been going on for decades and you lived thru it yourself. If you’re worried that your children will face that perception, quit pushing for racist policies. 
 

11 minutes ago, Pancho said:

It’s okay, BeardIP and fatty don’t say DEI with a hard I at the end.

I haven’t heard anyone use DEI that way.  Most of the racists around our sites still use the term Mondays

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39 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Idiot?  That’s not nice.  Especially coming from someone insinuating that this is some new issue their kids will face, knowing it’s been going on for decades and you lived thru it yourself. If you’re worried that your children will face that perception, quit pushing for racist policies. 
 

I haven’t heard anyone use DEI that way.  Most of the racists around our sites still use the term Mondays

DEI, please, you know goddamned well how it's being used these days.

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I believe there's a valid debate around how DEI programs are designed, implemented, and measured in various organizations. Problem is it often means different things in differnt orgs from a university (no standards there either!) to private organizations. Sure, post George Floyd we got a surge of token programs popping up everywhere but that was a watershed moment in the history of this country. But to paint it as somehow discrimination against white people is just lazy thinking. 

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Yes, yes. Assuming a person of color got their position because of DEI or affirmative action and not actual merit is strictly because of those "racist policies" and not the inherent racism of the person assuming. Like saying the mayor of Baltimore is a DEI mayor. Yeah, that's DEI's fault. 

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1 hour ago, 'stache said:

DEI, please, you know goddamned well how it's being used these days.

Are you talking about memes and Twitter or real life interactions?  Do you believe living,  breathing people are walking around using DEI in lieu of dropping an N-bomb in casual conversations?   

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25 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yes, yes. Assuming a person of color got their position because of DEI or affirmative action and not actual merit is strictly because of those "racist policies" and not the inherent racism of the person assuming. Like saying the mayor of Baltimore is a DEI mayor. Yeah, that's DEI's fault. 

Who’s arguing otherwise?  Only one poster has a fear his kids will be perceived in this manner.   As far as anyone knows, DEI only works if you’re a pilot or supreme court justice.  

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Just now, fattyflattie said:

Are you talking about memes and Twitter or real life interactions?  Do you believe living,  breathing people are walking around using DEI in lieu of dropping an N-bomb in casual conversations?   

Yes, and you know this damn well, most recently the gqp references to Baltimore's "DEI Mayor." You're little head in the sand trick is transparent as hell, but you obviously know this as well.

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1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Yes, and you know this damn well, most recently the gqp references to Baltimore's "DEI Mayor." You're little head in the sand trick is transparent as hell, but you obviously know this as well.

You’re mistaking head in the sand for me not giving a fuck. 

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And for all the consternation, everybody knows that DEI at major corporations is not much more than a page on the website. I'm very familiar with these types of programs. Or made up bullshit like "I couldn't get a loan because woke DEI" or whatever the fuck that lie was about.

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2 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

and donkey, and monkey and every other stupid animal/tobacco combo an idiot can come up with

Once I figured out the rubric about eight configurations ago is was easy. If it helps you at all, you can do as I do:

 When you see one of the posts, just say in your head: HON-KEY and move on.

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10 minutes ago, 'stache said:

And for all the consternation, everybody knows that DEI at major corporations is not much more than a page on the website. I'm very familiar with these types of programs. Or made up bullshit like "I couldn't get a loan because woke DEI" or whatever the fuck that lie was about.

Jesus fuck the inability for “educated” individuals on this site to read is troubling. Or, just more bad faith arguments, whatevs.  But if that’s what you got from it, I can actually understand the concern you have about the kids now.  

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13 hours ago, YGIFS said:

In 24 hours, my youngest will turn 5. And I will explain to her that it’s Good Friday.  A man walked into Golgotha knowing his fate all those centuries ago.  Dying to save us from ourselves.  And many family members and friends will call her to wish her a happy birthday.  And a troubling number of them will then hang up and order one of Trump’s bibles.  And I will contemplate what will become of her country when I am long gone.  
 

the worst among us is literally fundraising off of Bible sales to fund his criminal enterprise law suits.  And I have to pray tonight for sanity and then walk them into holy weekend masses.  All the while, pretending I don’t really think this is an illusion.  Admittedly, it’s an affront to other faiths of the world to consider this to just be an “our” problem, but it sure as shit feels like one.  The man upstairs doesn’t talk to us for 2000+ years. And then 75mm people pick this fucking guy to lead us and hock his many leather bound volumes?   And we’re supposed to rest easy and maintain faith?  

How is your 5 year old progressing in her CRT classes?

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1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

Jesus fuck the inability for “educated” individuals on this site to read is troubling. Or, just more bad faith arguments, whatevs.  But if that’s what you got from it, I can actually understand the concern you have about the kids now.  

you've provided exactly zero evidence for your argument(s). perhaps look at little inward before casting judgment on others around here

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Just now, Satchel said:

How is your 5 year old progressing in her CRT classes?

well, for starters-I am making sure she understands that my maternal grandmother was denied service time and time again at myriad businesses in Texas because of her overtly mexican appearance.  And then I'll have to remind her that it's all a rumor.  A mutually agreed upon mythology.  That it never happened.  But I know it did.  

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8 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Happy birthday to your youngest!

Thank you.  I think this is the first time that she's had her birthday on Good Friday/Easter weekend since she's been born.  And I'l have our MAGA family over for brunch on Sunday.   And I won't say a word, but I'll quietly remember that my cousin's mom and my mother are from Mexico.  and while it was certainly nothing compared to the plight of Black Americans, it was not a picnic either.  And she'll pray for Trump's saving of our country on the rebirth of the Lord, our god.  And I will smile.  And remain sober.  And wonder how this all came to be.  That the Son of God told us that the strongest of his lessons of "Faith, Hope, and Love" was Love.  And that 35% of us took away the lesson, "Yeah, that gay ass love stuff is bullshit...let's be mean to  dark people and queers."  He walked for 40 days to remind us of two lessons.  That we could be redeemed in his father's eyes and have the everlasting life that he did.  And second, to love one another as he had loved us.  and what have we chosen in a country he never knew?  To visit cruelty upon one another despite him handing us beauty on a silver platter.  

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50 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Jesus fuck the inability for “educated” individuals on this site to read is troubling. Or, just more bad faith arguments, whatevs.  But if that’s what you got from it, I can actually understand the concern you have about the kids now.  

Still waiting for the link to the companies whose only loan options require ESG programs 

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