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There was one of those awhile back that actually ranked an OU DE over Simmons.  Maybe their fanbase has a another whole season of sucking shit through a straw in them after all.

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I was looking at the FSU Warchant board. You have to wade through a lot of constant talk about their standing offers to join the SEC and B1G (once they free themselves from the ACC), and oh- which one should they choose?- but, once clear, I saw their comments about Marvin Jones, Jr. portaling to the starting DE at OU. 
 
They aren’t upset. They don’t miss him. They don’t wish him well. They think he half-assed it for them last year. 

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35 minutes ago, statsman said:

I was looking at the FSU Warchant board. You have to wade through a lot of constant talk about their standing offers to join the SEC and B1G (once they free themselves from the ACC), and oh- which one should they choose?- but, once clear, I saw their comments about Marvin Jones, Jr. portaling to the starting DE at OU. 
 
They aren’t upset. They don’t miss him. They don’t wish him well. They think he half-assed it for them last year. 

He’s been a dud at Georgia and FSU. Given the shitty culture with Venables at OU, I assume he’ll quit on them by midseason without telling anyone about it. 

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More roster reviews:

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This serves to show how so many fans just tune out on other teams, once their team has played them. 
 
They don’t think DJ Campbell is that impressive (despite his temptation to enter the draft). They didn’t watch Goosby play late in the season, in relief, so he doesn’t exist, to them.
They don’t seem to remember Lefau, despite his large role in the RRS gameplan. They would have been thrilled to sign Brad Spence in the portal or Tyanthony Smith out of HS, but they didn’t, so they don’t really exist. 

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On 4/17/2025 at 12:16 PM, BigHornedLurker said:

I hate OU as a program, but Sooner Fans themselves you can actually talk rational football with 
 

This is true. I have a handful of friends from Oklahoma and who live in the state of Texas that went to OU and a lot of them are pretty normal and rational. They understand when their program is at its peak and they also understand when it sucks like right now with Venables. The one thing that I have in common with a lot of my OU friends is that they also hate aggy.

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2 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

I think Tyanthony Smith breaks out in a big way this year.  Love what I have seen from him.

His biggest issue is size, is it not? Just a matter of how much he can attack the cafeteria and weight room.

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Looking at Phil Steele’s roster comparison from 2024 preseason…

Ratings of (2025) draft eligible (3rd or later year) players:

QB: Ewers (6 in nation), Arnold (too young)

RB: OU’s Sawchick (11, he just portaled out, I think), Sam Franklin (68, I have no idea who this is), No Texas player listed, Blue was drafted. 
WR: Bond (11, UDFA), Burks (12, coming back), Anderson (15, portaled), Boldin (49, UDFA), Farouq (52, portaled), no Golden listed (1st round)

TE: Helm (25, drafted), Sharp (48, portaled)

Center: Majors (25, UDFA), Hickman (33, returning?)

G: Banks (1, huge fuck up by Steele, some NfL guy must have told him Banks projected as guard, drafted 1st round), Conner (36 drafted), Campbell (38, returning), no Sooners

T: sexton (68, returning), no Cam Williams (drafted)

DE: Burke (11, passed by Simmons), Sorrell(23, drafted), Downs (43, UDFA)

DT: Collins (19, drafted), Broughton (27, drafted), Damonic Williams (33, bad draft grade and returned), Lole (53, GA)

OLB: T. Moore (5, returning), Stutsman (7, drafted), Lewis (21, returning), Finley (43, portaled)

ILB: Gbenda (65)

CB: Barron (17, 1st round), G. Williams (34, returning?)

FS: Bowman (3, drafted), Taaffe (23, AA, return)

SS: Mukuba (15, drafted)

You see a trend- Texas players typically either outperformed the expectations or were supplanted. Sooners…not so much. 
Unit Rankings for preseason 2024-

QB: Texas (1), OU (43)

RB: Texas (10), OU (21)

Receivers: Oklahoma (6!), Texas (19)

OL: Texas (2), OU (47)

DL: Texas (18), OU (21)

LB: OU (2), Texas (4)

DB: OU (2), Texas (16)

Again, Texas units mostly met or exceeded expectations, OU not so much. 
 
Texas seems to be better at scouting and coaching players and positions. 

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12 hours ago, Longboard Horn said:

This is true. I have a handful of friends from Oklahoma and who live in the state of Texas that went to OU and a lot of them are pretty normal and rational. They understand when their program is at its peak and they also understand when it sucks like right now with Venables. The one thing that I have in common with a lot of my OU friends is that they also hate aggy.

Fair but we mostly just laugh at aggy.  Hate is a bit strong.  But we totally get why you would hate them.  There’s a reason the aggy thread is 100x longer than this one.  They are some weird bastards and ride the UT jock incredibly hard.  

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12 hours ago, Longboard Horn said:

The one thing that I have in common with a lot of my OU friends is that they also hate aggy.

 

I used to hate aggy, but upon realizing they have extra chromosomes, it's become more of a disdain.

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8 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Fair but we mostly just laugh at aggy.  Hate is a bit strong.  But we totally get why you would hate them.  There’s a reason the aggy thread is 100x longer than this one.  They are some weird bastards and ride the UT jock incredibly hard.  

Well, the biggest reasons are two fold. They are just a really weird bunch with a ton of entertaining cognitive dissonances. We talk about them so much because they're so much fun to talk about. They give us so much material. Every. Day. Sooners...not as much.

The second reason is they're so damn many of them these days, and we encounter Aggies more regularly in our daily lives. And any time you mention Texas to any of them, they so often manage to slide in a disparaging remark even if you've never met them before. So over the years it has become more personal.

In the 70s, we hardly even thought about Aggie. They were a smallish student body just beginning to integrate. Not people of color. I'm unconvinced they've ever been that awesome in that regard. People with vaginas. With a 70,000 student body pumping out diploma mill graduates, I can't even get away from them if I wanted to in Houston these days. I know there are more Sooners in the DFW area, but in Houston they're practically non existent. There are way more LSU fans here than Sooner fans.  

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I think this story belongs here, and not the new 2025 Sooner thread. It is a weird one. 
 
https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/funders-of-defunct-sellout-crowd-media-startup-sue-over-business-debt/

Some Oklahoma sportswriters (including Berry Tramel) started a news site exclusively for Oklahoma sports. They borrowed money from “Big Dog” (evidently the nickname of Bob Stoops. The site failed and Big Dog wants its money back (it’s gone). 
 
Big Dog is funded by Stoops, Toby Keith’s estate and Hunter Miller (Switzer’s SIL and partner in that -again weird- Ponzi scheme Switzer and Donnan ran about 15 years ago). 

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Reading more, evidently, when Tramel borrowed the money, he didn’t realize that it was written as a personal loan to him, and he is personally on the hook for it. 

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5 minutes ago, statsman said:

Reading more, evidently, when Tramel borrowed the money, he didn’t realize that it was written as a personal loan to him, and he is personally on the hook for it. 

Maybe Curtis Ewers can cover Tramel’s portion as repayment for all of the water he carried for the Ewers camp during the past 4 years. 

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Trammel didn’t start the network he was tricked into joining and as you say tricked into a personal loan. From what I’ve read about the situation Stoops and Keith look pretty bad. If it was a scam they’re rich enough to let those defrauded like Trammel off the hook but they’re defending the lawsuit. Fuck them all lol.

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3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Trammel didn’t start the network he was tricked into joining and as you say tricked into a personal loan. From what I’ve read about the situation Stoops and Keith look pretty bad. If it was a scam they’re rich enough to let those defrauded like Trammel off the hook but they’re defending the lawsuit. Fuck them all lol.

What a spineless position.

This poor media member should be absolved of adult accountability and those meanie investors are evil people for holding the adults who signed contracts to the legal standard. Right.

Did you sob while typing your post?

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10 hours ago, 'stache said:

Trammel didn’t start the network he was tricked into joining and as you say tricked into a personal loan. From what I’ve read about the situation Stoops and Keith look pretty bad. If it was a scam they’re rich enough to let those defrauded like Trammel off the hook but they’re defending the lawsuit. Fuck them all lol.

Was the “Big Dog” group associated with the creation of the failed venture? Or, was Tramel offered an opportunity to have an ownership share, and he sought out “Big Dog” for help in funding? The former looks a lot worse than the latter. 
 
Also, is OKC not big enough to have other people involved in shady ventures than Switzer and his SIL? Because it looks like they are attached to every scam and scheme. 

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10 minutes ago, statsman said:

Also, is OKC not big enough to have other people involved in shady ventures than Switzer and his SIL?

 

Oh, how cute. You think other people in okieland have money. 

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17 minutes ago, statsman said:

Was the “Big Dog” group associated with the creation of the failed venture? Or, was Tramel offered an opportunity to have an ownership share, and he sought out “Big Dog” for help in funding? The former looks a lot worse than the latter. 
 
Also, is OKC not big enough to have other people involved in shady ventures than Switzer and his SIL? Because it looks like they are attached to every scam and scheme. 

As I read it they told Trammel and others they were taking some ownership shares but for Trammel in particular it included or was entirely a personal loan guarantee. I think he admitted he fucked up by not having a lawyer on his side or something which is definitely true. Still, fuck stoops and dead keith.

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Thx. Googling, it does look like “Big Dog Holding” was the founder of “Sellout Crowd Media”. 
 
Yes, Tramel should have had an attorney look at the loan. 
 
Yes, if the dudes in “Big Dog Holding” were decent guys doing business with someone they have known professionally for decades, signing papers they knew he was unfamiliar with, they would have made sure he understood that he was personally on the hook for the loan, and not the venture. Given who they were, you could argue Tramel should have known they weren’t good dudes, … except he had spent most of his career explaining to his readers that they were admirable guys. 

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9 minutes ago, statsman said:

Thx. Googling, it does look like “Big Dog Holding” was the founder of “Sellout Crowd Media”. 
 
Yes, Tramel should have had an attorney look at the loan. 
 
Yes, if the dudes in “Big Dog Holding” were decent guys doing business with someone they have known professionally for decades, signing papers they knew he was unfamiliar with, they would have made sure he understood that he was personally on the hook for the loan, and not the venture. Given who they were, you could argue Tramel should have known they weren’t good dudes, … except he had spent most of his career explaining to his readers that they were admirable guys. 

It's actually really hilarious to see. Tramel has obfuscated on behalf of personalities he's covered for decades. The guy has ridden more dicks than Bonnie Blue. He's not an intelligent guy and clearly he can't judge character to save his life. Watching him attempt to play the victim now is awesome. 

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16 hours ago, statsman said:

I think this story belongs here, and not the new 2025 Sooner thread. It is a weird one. 
 
https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/funders-of-defunct-sellout-crowd-media-startup-sue-over-business-debt/

Some Oklahoma sportswriters (including Berry Tramel) started a news site exclusively for Oklahoma sports. They borrowed money from “Big Dog” (evidently the nickname of Bob Stoops. The site failed and Big Dog wants its money back (it’s gone). 
 
Big Dog is funded by Stoops, Toby Keith’s estate and Hunter Miller (Switzer’s SIL and partner in that -again weird- Ponzi scheme Switzer and Donnan ran about 15 years ago). 

Big Dog isn't a nickname for Bob Stoops. Toby Keith had multiple "Big Dog" entities and a "Big Dog Daddy" album or somesuch. Below would be a much more informative article on the matter. Tramel filed bankruptcy about six months ago.

https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/sold-out-the-rise-and-fall-of-americas-most-ambitious-sports-media-company/

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7 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

Big Dog isn't a nickname for Bob Stoops. Toby Keith had multiple "Big Dog" entities and a "Big Dog Daddy" album or somesuch. Below would be a much more informative article on the matter. Tramel filed bankruptcy about six months ago.

https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/sold-out-the-rise-and-fall-of-americas-most-ambitious-sports-media-company/

That’s fantastic. Let me tell you, you go down some interesting and crazy rabbit holes when you google “Barry Switzer arraigned”, “Barry Switzer charged” and so on. I’m going to write a long post about it. 
 
Nack to “Sellout Crowd”- an Okie should know better than anyone that Switzer being attached to a project is a warning, not an enticement. 

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You deserve to get treated like Mrs Lacewell good and hard if you're dumb enough to trust Switzer. He was also the defendant in a landmark SEC (exchange not conference) insider trading case.

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24 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

You deserve to get treated like Mrs Lacewell good and hard if you're dumb enough to trust Switzer. He was also the defendant in a landmark SEC (exchange not conference) insider trading case.

It’s actually interesting case law now. He lied his ass off, to avoid prison, of course. 
 
It is so weird. You’d think OKC would be a big city, but the same grifters seem to have their hands in every grift, like a low budget 1980’s movie.

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29 minutes ago, statsman said:

It’s actually interesting case law now. He lied his ass off, to avoid prison, of course. 
 
It is so weird. You’d think OKC would be a big city, but the same grifters seem to have their hands in every grift, like a low budget 1980’s movie.

Yeah, Switzer was just innocently hanging out at a track meet when he found himself seated behind an oil company exec who was also a huge OU booster.  Unbeknownst to this booster, the head football coach was right behind him and overheard everything booster told his wife about the upcoming events that would move the market.  What are the odds?

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13 hours ago, Pancho said:

Oklahoma laying off 5% of it’s athletic department and Joe C has agreed to a salary reduction. 

"money's tight and times are hard, here's your fucking Christmas card" or something like that 

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On 5/22/2025 at 8:42 AM, gernblansten said:

Big Dog isn't a nickname for Bob Stoops. Toby Keith had multiple "Big Dog" entities and a "Big Dog Daddy" album or somesuch.

Talk about a punchable face…

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22 hours ago, Pancho said:

Oklahoma laying off 5% of it’s athletic department and Joe C has agreed to a salary reduction. 

Talking ‘bout the Sec being a life saver for this broke ass school.

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On 5/22/2025 at 9:00 PM, Not a cat said:

Yeah, Switzer was just innocently hanging out at a track meet when he found himself seated behind an oil company exec who was also a huge OU booster.  Unbeknownst to this booster, the head football coach was right behind him and overheard everything booster told his wife about the upcoming events that would move the market.  What are the odds?

He should run for President.  Seriously.  

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On 5/21/2025 at 7:03 PM, statsman said:

Reading more, evidently, when Tramel borrowed the money, he didn’t realize that it was written as a personal loan to him, and he is personally on the hook for it. 

To be fair, there's obviously no lawyers practicing in Oklahoma.

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Tangentially related to OU- Jim Donnan was OC at OU from 1985-1989 (replaced Mack Brown!). (still researching Switzer’s misdeeds) 
 
How is Jim Donnan not in jail? He ran a $90 million Ponzi scheme 2010-2012, with this other guy that did go to jail. They told ”investors” that they had purchased goods that already had ready buyers at high profits, and it was guaranteed to return great profits. They paid returns out of the funds from new investors. Donnan, from his career as a coach and TV talker, knew a lot of fairly high worth people (coaches and players) that were fairly unsophisticated about finance. 
 
it went to trial (in Georgia, I think), and Donnan’s claim that he didn’t know it was a scam worked in court (the Feds had a lot of evidence that he absolutely knew it was a scam). Are juries just biased to believe (somewhat) successful coaches? 
 
Side note- it sounds like Switzer and his SIL were early investors, and helped introduce later investors. As the scheme was unraveling, Switzer was able to get Donnan to give him his nut back, but then had to surrender that to the feds for repayment to others, as they investigated and took over control. Switzer was sued by later investors, but won in court. 

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Forgive me. I just can’t get enough of Okie icons behaving awfully. 
 
https://thelostogle.com/2024/10/28/stoops-co-take-berry-tramel-lawsuit-to-vindictive-extremes

Googling shows about 20 years of Tramel writing about Stoops, the standup guy, Stoops the molder of men, Stoops the visionary. He never seemed to write an article about Stiops, the greedy, vindictive asshole. 

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On 5/10/2025 at 7:48 AM, SL Xpress said:

Well, the biggest reasons are two fold. They are just a really weird bunch with a ton of entertaining cognitive dissonances. We talk about them so much because they're so much fun to talk about. They give us so much material. Every. Day. Sooners...not as much.

The second reason is they're so damn many of them these days, and we encounter Aggies more regularly in our daily lives. And any time you mention Texas to any of them, they so often manage to slide in a disparaging remark even if you've never met them before. So over the years it has become more personal.

In the 70s, we hardly even thought about Aggie. They were a smallish student body just beginning to integrate. Not people of color. I'm unconvinced they've ever been that awesome in that regard. People with vaginas. With a 70,000 student body pumping out diploma mill graduates, I can't even get away from them if I wanted to in Houston these days. I know there are more Sooners in the DFW area, but in Houston they're practically non existent. There are way more LSU fans here than Sooner fans.  

Anyone who lived through their brief spurt of wins over us in the late 80s pretty much hates them.  They were insufferable.

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32 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Anyone who lived through their brief spurt of wins over us in the late 80s pretty much hates them.  They were insufferable.

I mean, losing 11 out of 12 to those bumblefucks nearly put every one of us out of our minds. There was nothing "brief" about that time period. As far as I'm concerned it was the birth of feelings of rivalry with them. Before and after they're a nonentity. We've gone 13-5 starting with James Brown limping us to victory in '95, including that Kafkaesque matchup in '99 after the bonfire collapse, where Mack Brown leaves the halftime locker room a little too early and has the whole team kneel down to pay respects to the fallen while the corps finished paying tribute to the victims. 

To me what makes them more insufferable nowadays is how inescapable they are. At least here in Houston. If they still had the numbers they had in the 70s they'd be nothing more than a fly in the ointment. 

I just can't conjure the kind of hate for the Aggies I can for the Sooners. It's like hating a mentally challenged little brother. 

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On 5/25/2025 at 7:50 AM, NoName said:

To be fair, there's obviously no lawyers practicing in Oklahoma.

I met Berry recently and wanted to tell him to put me on retainer and the first contract review would be free. It would’ve taken me 0.60 billable hours to tell him not to sign that shit and don’t trust those cunts for anything.

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35 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I met Berry recently and wanted to tell him to put me on retainer and the first contract review would be free. It would’ve taken me 0.60 billable hours to tell him not to sign that shit and don’t trust those cunts for anything.

Really, what was he thinking? They want to start a sports media venture, and borrow the money from people associated with the sports they intend to cover? Even if it had made money, how was it going to work when they wanted to criticize Venables or Castiglione, and Stoops, as their financier, calls them in to make them stop?

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12 minutes ago, statsman said:

Really, what was he thinking? They want to start a sports media venture, and borrow the money from people associated with the sports they intend to cover? Even if it had made money, how was it going to work when they wanted to criticize Venables or Castiglione, and Stoops, as their financier, calls them in to make them stop?

 

Would have been the ou version of texags. 

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12 hours ago, statsman said:

Forgive me. I just can’t get enough of Okie icons behaving awfully. 
 
https://thelostogle.com/2024/10/28/stoops-co-take-berry-tramel-lawsuit-to-vindictive-extremes

Googling shows about 20 years of Tramel writing about Stoops, the standup guy, Stoops the molder of men, Stoops the visionary. He never seemed to write an article about Stiops, the greedy, vindictive asshole. 

An adult enters into a contract borrowing money from a bank to run a business. The business fails and the bank wants its loan repaid. The bank is greedy and vindictive. I guess that's one way to look at it.

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3 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

An adult enters into a contract borrowing money from a bank to run a business. The business fails and the bank wants its loan repaid. The bank is greedy and vindictive. I guess that's one way to look at it.

-Greedy: nothing wrong with that

-Vindictive: read the part about “Big Dog” trying to subpoena “The Frontier” for their internal records

-Asshole: do I really need to explain?

 

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7 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

An adult enters into a contract borrowing money from a bank to run a business. The business fails and the bank wants its loan repaid. The bank is greedy and vindictive. I guess that's one way to look at it.

Also, its not like journalists have a reputation, at these guys' level especially, for being wealthy. Why would anyone think that Big Dog Lending or whatever was just some evil scheme to try to scam Berry F'n Trammel out of a chunk of what fortune? 

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27 minutes ago, statsman said:

-Greedy: nothing wrong with that

-Vindictive: read the part about “Big Dog” trying to subpoena “The Frontier” for their internal records

-Asshole: do I really need to explain?

 

Well, if a satirical Okie website opines the subpoena was vindictive, I guess you can take it to the.....bank. 

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