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Posted
52 minutes ago, Hornsome said:

We aren't undefeated with Quinn.  We struggled in Arky, aggy and Georgia to get points and couldn't put SEC teams  away last year. Florida had a good defense and the type that gives us fits. Quinn had negative rushing yards for the year and it would be worse this year.  We were an awful red zone team, had crap load of 3 and an outs and batted balls. Quinn was a seven round pick for a reason. He also had a top 10 tackle, a first round WR, a fourth round TE, and a fifth round RB.  If Bond didn't have his legal troubles, he is a 3-4 round pick. We are much worse at every position on offense and we also got lucky with opposing teams having injury issues when we played them last year.
 

At some point, it ceases to be a qb issue and is a coaching issue.  No matter who is qb, our offense is consistently underperforming.  I'm sick of screen shots that show open players and how Sark is a master at play calling. If college players can't execute it without Alabama (of old) talent it's a shitty offense.  I'm thinking Quinn and Arch would have been better under a different QB whisperer.

 

You left out Kentucky.  We had trouble scoring on them too 

52 minutes ago, Hornsome said:

We aren't undefeated with Quinn.  We struggled in Arky, aggy and Georgia to get points and couldn't put SEC teams  away last year. Florida had a good defense and the type that gives us fits. Quinn had negative rushing yards for the year and it would be worse this year.  We were an awful red zone team, had crap load of 3 and an outs and batted balls. Quinn was a seven round pick for a reason. He also had a top 10 tackle, a first round WR, a fourth round TE, and a fifth round RB.  If Bond didn't have his legal troubles, he is a 3-4 round pick. We are much worse at every position on offense and we also got lucky with opposing teams having injury issues when we played them last year.
 

At some point, it ceases to be a qb issue and is a coaching issue.  No matter who is qb, our offense is consistently underperforming.  I'm sick of screen shots that show open players and how Sark is a master at play calling. If college players can't execute it without Alabama (of old) talent it's a shitty offense.  I'm thinking Quinn and Arch would have been better under a different QB whisperer.

 

You left out Kentucky.  We had trouble scoring on them too 

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1 hour ago, Dark Horse said:

With this line? No fucking way. 

ewers was constantly scrambling and/or turtling from imaginary pressure that wasn’t even there. ewers had an o line that was a finalist for the joe moore award, and an absolute stable of nfl skill position players, and he was still super skittish and erratic in the pocket. on this team? QE would have been the absolute worst version of himself, and with his injury history he wouldn’t make it through two games of conference play. QE would be just about the last recent Texas qb i’d want on this 2025 team. 

 

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I don't know what it is, but for whatever reason for him it takes 90% of the time to develop a play. Caldwell seems to understand the homework and just does it, and very well. I don't know if they have different sets of plays for each guy, but if so, maybe Sark should give Arch the Caldwell plays, and just let Wingo lay on his back and catch passes...if he doesn't fucking drop one. 

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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

if your OL is dog shit and you have a mobile QB you should tailor your play calling to exploit that. Sark either doesn’t have a variety of such plays in his arsenal or he’s determined to keep pounding the square peg regardless of the evidence at hand. 
 

can someone point to one thing in any aspect of play that this team has improved on since the season opener?

Its not that complicated. Last year Arch was a backup and we wondered why. Now we are seeing why. Everyone is complaining about where the RPO game went and then we throw one and Arch just throws it into triple coverage, somehow luckily getting it completed. So we see why there too. Bottom line, this dude isnt seeing the field or reading coverages pre snap. He is waiting to see something open instead of knowing what will be open based on the coverage he is seeing. Yesterday Florida was largely running cover two, which has been around for a millenia. It has the same vulnerabilities it always had. Between the two safeties up the seam and the extreme edges because they are trying to man up outside. You dont have to be a NFL coach to see if a kid is processing where to go. If he isnt hitting the seam or looking at the short routes on the edge he isnt seeing the field. Sark was seeing it and calling the game appropriately. Evidenced by the announcers repeatedly telling us that someone was wide open up the seam. Arch doesn't see whats going on. You could see it on his TD pass to Wisner. Tre was open immediately and Arch waited until he was almost OB to throw it. There was a play where their nickel blitzed and as he is supposed to, the receiver in the slot saw that, ran a 5 yard route and presented himself. Arch held the ball instead of taking the easy 5 yards. A couple plays later its 3rd and long. Yes our Oline sucks. But its not as bad as we made it look. Gotta get rid of the football. Its pretty clear to me that anything with a lot of traffic like certain screens and RPOs he doesn't trust him with. We aren't running a bunch of bunch shit. We are either heavy run or spread sideline to sideline trying to make the picture clearer. 

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11 minutes ago, Derka said:

ewers was constantly scrambling and/or turtling from imaginary pressure that wasn’t even there. ewers had an o line that was a finalist for the joe moore award, and an absolute stable of nfl skill position players, and he was still super skittish and erratic in the pocket. on this team? QE would have been the absolute worst version of himself, and with his injury history he wouldn’t make it through two games of conference play. QE would be just about the last recent Texas qb i’d want on this 2025 team. 

 

Again, this poster needs to head back to the basketball board. Florida had 3 sacks coming in, in 4 games. They weren't 2024 Georgia. Our sacks were largely self-inflicted. Receiver wasn't the issue. Guys were open. We saw this same shit last year when Arch came in. Luckily we were only playing directional schools and MSU. 

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4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Again, this poster needs to head back to the basketball board. Florida had 3 sacks coming in, in 4 games. They weren't 2024 Georgia. Our sacks were largely self-inflicted. Receiver wasn't the issue. Guys were open. We saw this same shit last year when Arch came in. Luckily we were only playing directional schools and MSU. 

You sound like you think he should be running the offense at near full efficiency after 7 starts.  He’s not a jag but he’s not at Ty Simpson’s level of development.  He needs to bake for like 20 games, minimum.  He’s all raw tools right now.

Posted
2 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

My mind is blank, so who are you referring to?

our boy, Archibald the Second.    it was posted above the score app has him injured for the OU game.  i just checked and it still shows him as questionable 

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1 minute ago, FORTY NINE TO ZERO said:

our boy, Archibald the Second.    it was posted above the score app has him injured for the OU game.  i just checked and it still shows him as questionable 

Oh wow. So we may actually get a win next weekend! Caldwell, baby! 

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5 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

You sound like you think he should be running the offense at near full efficiency after 7 starts.  He’s not a jag but he’s not at Ty Simpson’s level of development.  He needs to bake for like 20 games, minimum.  He’s all raw tools right now.

Ohio state is running their offense at full efficiency with a guy younger than arch with fewer starts. Just fucking stop making excuses. He’s a fucking 3rd year player. 

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39 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

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Oh ok so now the players were just not good enough when we got them. How elite do the recruits need to fucking be? 

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17 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

I don't know what it is, but for whatever reason for him it takes 90% of the time to develop a play. Caldwell seems to understand the homework and just does it, and very well. I don't know if they have different sets of plays for each guy, but if so, maybe Sark should give Arch the Caldwell plays, and just let Wingo lay on his back and catch passes...if he doesn't fucking drop one. 

Let's be careful with the adulation of Caldwell.  He took one snap.  He did a great job, and that's admirable, especially given the circumstances, but . . .

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6 minutes ago, FORTY NINE TO ZERO said:

our boy, Archibald the Second.    it was posted above the score app has him injured for the OU game.  i just checked and it still shows him as questionable 

Sark has already said the injury was minor and that Arch will be fine for OU. 

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This is a wild stat.

I understand that some of this is on Arch, holding the ball too long and making great being the enemy of good, but YIKES he was getting wrecked.
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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

Let's be careful with the adulation of Caldwell.  He took one snap.  He did a great job, and that's admirable, especially given the circumstances, but . . .

I'm not saying for the season or anything like that. That would be unwise. What I meant to say is he needs to come in at times for critical downs or something. He is fr ahead of Arch on a learning curve and throws an accurate pass. Does that mean he will consistently be good? Not at all. Just find ways this season to get a two QB system in place, that's it. Arch can start for all I care, but let both play. Caldwell can get 10 snaps and Arch 20 or whatever. Just something. Anything. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, PplDontForget said:

More like the A.I. slop creator.

I don’t have an artistic bone in my body. Maybe autistic bones. I have taken Tylenol.

But you made the prompt? 

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46 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

You left out Kentucky.  We had trouble scoring on them too 

You left out Kentucky.  We had trouble scoring on them too 

You can say that again.

Posted
10 minutes ago, Stringer said:


This is a wild stat.

I understand that some of this is on Arch, holding the ball too long and making great being the enemy of good, but YIKES he was getting wrecked.

A big part of it was Arch looking for the TD play on every down. I don't know if it was the playcall or a young QB not trusting his team's ability to methodically march down the field and score. He was not looking for the intermediate passes at all. If it was Arch, then why didn't his OC talk to him in between the drives?

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

As said elsewhere, I think he sees these same players executing his machine in practice just like they did at Bama and assumes they will be able to do so in games and any failure there is more aberration than who the players are.

And that may be the difference between year after year of stacking high five-stars with good evals and development (Bama, Georgia) and a couple of years of stacking mid-high five stars with maybe not so good evals or development.

And I think he accounts for the slop between Texas today and Bama then with things like "godalmighty, Mac Jones could do this, why can't Quinn or Arch do this."

Maybe, but for three years now we have been in compete for championships mode and he can watch the same tape I can.

this isn’t 2020 anymore. For anyone. Regardless of personnel.

I’ve watched good to elite defenses with great defensive coaching befuddle him and have their dudes literally pointing to  exactly where the ball is going before it’s snapped over and over.

you got to adapt and evolve, not just to your dudes you have and what they can actual due in live game action against equally talented opponents, but also against how the other teams change defending you. 
 

most if not all college football teams at this level have a handful of plays each game where a guy is wide open for a TD, and the difference between the great ones, good ones and mediocre ones is the amount of those you convert.

 

but we are neither optimized for success or explosiveness

Posted
5 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Our OL recruiting has been trash

Wut? Aren’t we taking like 5 OL in every class and aren’t they all 3, 4, and 5 star recruits? 

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2 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

A big part of it was Arch looking for the TD play on every down. I don't know if it was the playcall or a young QB not trusting his team's ability to methodically march down the field and score. He was not looking for the intermediate passes at all. If it was Arch, then why didn't his OC talk to him in between the drives?

Yeah, something in his head seems to tell him to take the longer route where he can see separation.

When he's "forced" into a short route, it's basically LEEEEEROY JENKINS, like that throw over the middle to Mosely that blew right past him into the arms of a defender.

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8 minutes ago, B00M said:

Wut? Aren’t we taking like 5 OL in every class and aren’t they all 3, 4, and 5 star recruits? 

someone on twitter posted our starting o line recruiting rankings and it was one five star and four guys ranked anywhere between the 300’s and 500’s nationally.

Posted
4 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Even the touchdown pass to Wisner he threw 2 Mississippi too late.

I re-watched that play.

He double-pumped (triple???) it and almost let the CB #25 break up the pass, he was so late. Timing was just awful. High school QBs can execute that throw better.

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1 minute ago, B00M said:

Wut? Aren’t we taking like 5 OL in every class and aren’t they all 3, 4, and 5 star recruits? 

Mostly 3 stars, with some 4 and like 2/3 5*.  Flood, much like Herman and Strong regimes, are either coaching the talent out of them, or they're lazy recruiters who go for the lowest hanging fruit with the occasional "hit" with a 3* (Goosby, Williams, kind of, Kibble will be, Cruz, possibly). Don't get me wrong, every team has misses, but an entire o-line (besides Goosby, and Baker for now) is not some aberration, it's a pattern. 

Since 2022
 

Hutson - 3* (zero stars for me)
Campbell - 5*
Banks - 5*
Cam Williams - 3*
Goosby - 3*
Cruz - 3/4*
Robertson - 3*

Baker - 5*

Chatman - 4*

Kirkland - 4*

Stroh - 3* (zero stars afar as I'm concerned)

Cojoe - 3*

Neto - 4*

Agbo  - 4*

Kibble  - 3* (will be a stud. IDGAF)

Brooks - 4*

J. Coleman - 3*

J. Christian - 3*

D. Coleman - 3*

Yeah, Flood isn't just terrible at evaluating, the higher ranked recruits he had help with. It's a massive red flag of a pattern. It's no wonder our o-line is the Barbara Streisand of CFB. 

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

As said elsewhere, I think he sees these same players executing his machine in practice just like they did at Bama and assumes they will be able to do so in games and any failure there is more aberration than who the players are.

And that may be the difference between year after year of stacking high five-stars with good evals and development (Bama, Georgia) and a couple of years of stacking mid-high five stars with maybe not so good evals or development.

And I think he accounts for the slop between Texas today and Bama then with things like "godalmighty, Mac Jones could do this, why can't Quinn or Arch do this."

His seeing those things from this offense in practice makes some sense in light of our defensive showing yesterday 

Posted
8 minutes ago, Derka said:

someone on twitter posted our starting o line recruiting rankings and it was one five star and four guys ranked anywhere between the 300’s and 500’s nationally.

I just listed them, and we have two to three 5*, five 4*, and eleven 3*

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1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

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Arch had 29 official attempts and there were 6 sacks that is 35 right there. Arch had some scrambles, so it it is probably a 85-90% pressure rate. Peyton Manning would look like ass in those conditions, let alone Arch. I gained respect for Arch. He was running for his life all game. He kept taking hits and throwing the ball. He didn’t turtle. Sure he would like some throws back, but that isn’t a surprise given the environment 

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6 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

I re-watched that play.

He double-pumped (triple???) it and almost let the CB #25 break up the pass, he was so late. Timing was just awful. High school QBs can execute that throw better.

Yep. Wisner HAD to do the work to get that TD. 

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1 minute ago, William Bludworth said:

Yep. Wisner HAD to do the work to get that TD. 

I mean, it's gotta be difficult to process the mesh and over-the-middle options quickly with so much A gap pressure Arch is facing. But, here we roll him out with a perfectly schemed throw to the flat, and he's still holding on way too long.

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

Its not that complicated. Last year Arch was a backup and we wondered why. Now we are seeing why. Everyone is complaining about where the RPO game went and then we throw one and Arch just throws it into triple coverage, somehow luckily getting it completed. So we see why there too. Bottom line, this dude isnt seeing the field or reading coverages pre snap. He is waiting to see something open instead of knowing what will be open based on the coverage he is seeing. Yesterday Florida was largely running cover two, which has been around for a millenia. It has the same vulnerabilities it always had. Between the two safeties up the seam and the extreme edges because they are trying to man up outside. You dont have to be a NFL coach to see if a kid is processing where to go. If he isnt hitting the seam or looking at the short routes on the edge he isnt seeing the field. Sark was seeing it and calling the game appropriately. Evidenced by the announcers repeatedly telling us that someone was wide open up the seam. Arch doesn't see whats going on. You could see it on his TD pass to Wisner. Tre was open immediately and Arch waited until he was almost OB to throw it. There was a play where their nickel blitzed and as he is supposed to, the receiver in the slot saw that, ran a 5 yard route and presented himself. Arch held the ball instead of taking the easy 5 yards. A couple plays later its 3rd and long. Yes our Oline sucks. But its not as bad as we made it look. Gotta get rid of the football. Its pretty clear to me that anything with a lot of traffic like certain screens and RPOs he doesn't trust him with. We aren't running a bunch of bunch shit. We are either heavy run or spread sideline to sideline trying to make the picture clearer. 

Agree that Arch is too slow processing right now and often not seeing the open guys. The good news is that often comes with inexperience so it could very well improve. The physical tools are there, I liked his toughness and pocket mobility, now the processing needs to catch up. We'll see.

With that said, Arch is not at fault for most of those pressures. The LG and C were getting whipped nonstop and middle pressure is the toughest to deal with. Nick Brooks literally got a 0.0 pass blocking grade from PFF. The RBs averaged 1 ypc. The OL was as bad as it looked.

Early Quinn would have folded. Final year Quinn would have taken 10 sacks but also got the ball out faster on some plays.

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56 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Ohio state is running their offense at full efficiency with a guy younger than arch with fewer starts. Just fucking stop making excuses. He’s a fucking 3rd year player. 

They have Jeremiah smith, we have Parker Livingstone 

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49 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Ohio state is running their offense at full efficiency with a guy younger than arch with fewer starts. Just fucking stop making excuses. He’s a fucking 3rd year player. 

Wisdom. Arch is in Sark's system for 3ish years. He really isn't special. We all hoped he was but, nope. As @BurntOrange&White said. Sometimes shit needs to said and like a few here @BurntOrange&White says it. 

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Just now, hornlife said:

Wisdom. Arch is in Sark's system for 3ish years. He really isn't special. We all hoped he was but, nope. As @BurntOrange&White said. Sometimes shit needs to said and like a few here @BurntOrange&White says it. 

But wait BO&W said Arch should start over Ewers since Ewers was our problem. Now he says Arch is our problem. The wisdom in that guy has is unmatched.

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Ohio state is running their offense at full efficiency with a guy younger than arch with fewer starts. Just fucking stop making excuses. He’s a fucking 3rd year player. 

ehhh have you talked with tosu fans? cause they are saying Day still has the "handcuffs" on Sayin

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Just now, DanTheHorn said:

But wait BO&W said Arch should start over Ewers since Ewers was our problem. Now he says Arch is our problem. The wisdom in that guy has is unmatched.

We all hope for the best. Shit, I'm happy to have showered this morning with no major injuries or broken parts. Satan (my use to be beautiful X) is alive. But Arch isn't it my friends. 

Posted
24 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

I just listed them, and we have two to three 5*, five 4*, and eleven 3*

This isn’t like when Strong got here and we lacked bodies. There haven’t been a string of injuries. It’s inexcusable that we don’t have a competent OL given these players 

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38 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Even the touchdown pass to Wisner he threw 2 Mississippi too late.


He double clutched that schemed up TD and made it look harder than it was. Never mind the RPO’s that he pre determines before the snap and just rifles into the receiver regardless of the coverage. Arch has very little feel for what he is being asked to do in this offense. 

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

Again, this poster needs to head back to the basketball board. Florida had 3 sacks coming in, in 4 games. They weren't 2024 Georgia. Our sacks were largely self-inflicted. Receiver wasn't the issue. Guys were open. We saw this same shit last year when Arch came in. Luckily we were only playing directional schools and MSU. 

They had 35 pressures dude. Jesus Christ you’re just blatantly wrong.

Arch needs to do much better and get the ball out quicker, but to pretend that wasn’t one of the worst Oline performances in the history of this program is bullshit. The sacks were not self sacks on the quarterback, even If he held to long. 35 pressures is an insane number.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

They had 35 pressures dude. Jesus Christ you’re just blatantly wrong.

Arch needs to do much better and get the ball out quicker, but to pretend that wasn’t one of the worst Oline performances in the history of this program is bullshit. The sacks were not self sacks on the quarterback, even If he held to long. 35 pressures is an insane number.

He sucks and so does our line. Together they’re a hodgepodge of suck 

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

He sucks and so does our line. Together they’re a hodgepodge of suck 

You’re even dumber in this thread than you were in the Ewers thread 

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Posted
16 minutes ago, B00M said:

This isn’t like when Strong got here and we lacked bodies. There haven’t been a string of injuries. It’s inexcusable that we don’t have a competent OL given these players 

Absolutely agree 100%. There's absolutely ZERO excuses for what we have. 11 three stars, with like 3 panning out? We should have more like 3-4 five stars, 8-9 four stass, and like 3-4 three stars with our program and pedigree. I'm just lost on this. We might as well be an event horizon got o-line. 

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