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9 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Where was the screen game last night? When it was obvious our OL just let everyone through, and Arch was panicked, some boots or a screen could have helped. Instead we did zone read and got destroyed. 
 

Lol. Everyone here was pised about the screen game because it was just a throwaway down anytime we used it, it was getting blown up so much. Look. I think the only solution with this guy is to adjust the route concepts. Routes need to be end somewhat stationary because he cannot hit anything moving with any regularity. He also cannot feel when its time to abort and hit the checkdown. Last week he was going to it excessively. This week its back to not seeing it. Not sure what's going on there. 

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Where was the screen game last night? When it was obvious our OL just let everyone through, and Arch was panicked, some boots or a screen could have helped. Instead we did zone read and got destroyed. 
 

They had a nice one to Jordan Washington that went for 25 yards, but that was about it. 

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7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Lol. Everyone here was pised about the screen game because it was just a throwaway down anytime we used it, it was getting blown up so much. Look. I think the only solution with this guy is to adjust the route concepts. Routes need to be end somewhat stationary because he cannot hit anything moving with any regularity. He also cannot feel when its time to abort and hit the checkdown. Last week he was going to it excessively. This week its back to not seeing it. Not sure what's going on there. 

A very large part of it is Arch's inability to consistently throw short passes. Another very large part of it is game plan. Outside zone feasted against OU. We didn't run it all against Kentucky. What the fuck are we trying to do on offense? Regardless, if Arch just hits the wide open hot reads, teams would have to stop blitzing. 

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Posted (edited)
23 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

They had a nice one to Jordan Washington that went for 25 yards, but that was about it. 

Arch sucks at throwing screens. He either floats it to the receiver, giving the defense a ton of time to blow it up or throws it immediately before it can develop, usually rifling it somewhere that takes away all the receivers momentum.  We ran like 10 against OU and all but maybe 2 went for negative or short yardage. 

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Posted
Just now, 6th Street said:

This bum needs to hit the portal. He sucks at everything 

He navigates the pocket really well. I don't know why he cant use that to convert the easy passes to wide open receivers. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

A very large part of it is Arch's inability to consistently throw short passes. Another very large part of it is game plan. Outside zone feasted against OU. We didn't run it all against Kentucky. What the fuck are we trying to do on offense? Regardless, if Arch just hits the wide open hot reads, teams would have to stop blitzing. 

I said during the game it appeared they were intentionally not running Tre, IE a pitch count. Something is going on there and Sark is notorious for keeping a small circle with his skill guys. He needs to get these young guys going so they can help take the pressure of Tre. Have you noticed under Sark that every RB that has done well here we found by accident? When we had no choice. He needs to quit being stubborn with his skill guys. Find a use for Niblet who is great with the ball in his hands. Quit trying to force fucking Wingo to be the dude when 13 is better than him. 

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While the offensive gameplan, scheme, and execution left a lot to be desired, we should tone down the "worst of all time" hyperbolic rhetoric.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup/_/gameId/400610223
On Dec 30, 2014, the Texas offense produced 59 yards of total offense against Arkansas.  57 passing and 2 rushing in a 31-7 beatdown.  44 of those yards game on the TD drive.  

59 yards is a famous unit of measure: 1 Watson, named after notoriously incompetent OC Shawn Watson.

So, yes, it has been worse.

 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Arch sucks at throwing screens. He either floats it the receiver, giving the defense a ton of time to blow it up or throws it immediately before it can develop, usually rifling it somewhere that takes away all the receivers momentum.  We ran like 10 against OU and all but maybe 2 went for negative or short yardage. 

You are 100% correct and most of Surly just doesn't see it. Good screens require good timing. Don't look over there until its time. Accurate ball placement gives the runner a  chance to make someone miss. We seem to look and throw too soon or throw something requiring an adjustment and thereby killing momentum. 

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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

I said during the game it appeared they were intentionally not running Tre, IE a pitch count. Something is going on there and Sark is notorious for keeping a small circle with his skill guys. He needs to get these young guys going so they can help take the pressure of Tre. Have you noticed under Sark that every RB that has done well here we found by accident? When we had no choice. He needs to quit being stubborn with his skill guys. Find a use for Niblet who is great with the ball in his hands. Quit trying to force fucking Wingo to be the dude when 13 is better than him. 

Yeah, it was clear Tre had a limited pitch count. I don't understand why we did just use Simon instead of not running. But I also don't understand why when we did run, we choose shit like that nonsense first play of OT. The team showed it could run outside zone and inside zone. Why not do that? 

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You are 100% correct and most of Surly just doesn't see it. Good screens require good timing. Don't look over there until its time. Accurate ball placement gives the runner a  chance to make someone miss. We seem to look and throw too soon or throw something requiring an adjustment and thereby killing momentum. 

Thinking about it, I actually think it is the same problem we saw against Ohio State. Arch processes slow, but when he does see where to throw the ball he then rushes the throws. With screens, Arch knows where the ball is supposed to go, so he rushed the screen rather than let it develop.

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1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

Yeah, it was clear Tre had a limited pitch count. I don't understand why we did just use Simon instead of not running. But I also don't understand why when we did run, we choose shit like that nonsense first play of OT. The team showed it could run outside zone and inside zone. Why not do that? 

They had the box loaded up pretty good so I think Sark was simply playing the numbers. I dont think he truly has let it sink in that he just can't run the offense the way he wants to. He has to dust off his ole Jake Locker playbook. Spread. Rudimentary route combos. Run and run some more even with the QB. That is what Ole Miss is doing. I think he's had so much success that he expects his players to simply adapt to him and not the other way around. Its clear Arch cannot run his offense. So let's find out what he can run. 

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4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Thinking about it, I actually think it is the same problem we saw against Ohio State. Arch processes slow, but when he does see where to throw the ball he then rushes the throws. With screens, Arch knows where the ball is supposed to go, so he rushed the screen rather than let it develop.

I think you are 100% correct on your observation. But where do you go from here is the question? 

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49 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Lol. Everyone here was pised about the screen game because it was just a throwaway down anytime we used it, it was getting blown up so much. Look. I think the only solution with this guy is to adjust the route concepts. Routes need to be end somewhat stationary because he cannot hit anything moving with any regularity. He also cannot feel when its time to abort and hit the checkdown. Last week he was going to it excessively. This week its back to not seeing it. Not sure what's going on there. 

I'm easier on Arch this week than two weeks ago. I got the feeling that the goal for this game was that he throw at the moment he should. Period. Early, to my uneducated eyes, he was doing just that. Even if he missed on the throw, he was meeting the goal of timing. My guess is that the belief, if I'm anywhere near correct, is that his accuracy will come after mastering speed of release.

Of course, that disintegrated with deplorable play of the OL. It's hard not to revert back to bad habits under such duress.

[ETA: Ugh. I just watched the video above. I'm easier on Arch but still think Caldwell should get a chance. Otherwise, we're struggling for bowl eligibility.]

 

29 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

A very large part of it is Arch's inability to consistently throw short passes. Another very large part of it is game plan. Outside zone feasted against OU. We didn't run it all against Kentucky. What the fuck are we trying to do on offense? Regardless, if Arch just hits the wide open hot reads, teams would have to stop blitzing. 

The 3rd and 3 first possession. I think we'd already got one first down. Let's chop 'em up with a soul-killing dominant drive. Nope: Sark goes cutesy with double reverse pitch-back that we've shown before and which fails. 

Why not take the small victory of a first down? This is akin to going for it on fourth instead of kicking a field goal. (Stoops killed his win by doing that twice in a game where we only managed 10 points.)

The small victory makes everybody happy on your side. They feel like they're getting things done. Hey, let's keep it up guys!

Pissing that a way gives all of that to the other side. Our guys? Well, fuck. Back to the bench to cheer the defense.

The game plan seemed to be just a jumble of random play calls. The announcers saying Kentucky had killed our running game prompted to me to shout, "They don't have a running game to stop. We're not really even trying to attack their line with the run. 

Sark needs to hire an OC. The best we can buy. Oklahoma State didn't turn it around under Gundy until he stopped calling and drawing up plays during games.

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Im one of Arch’s biggest advocates here.  Seems to be great kid who just wants to be one of the guys.   However, in his best game, we scored one touchdown.   That’s not great

 

i don’t care what he did against the three fcs teams.  Vs p4 opponents he’s got a C- grade.   Now I do pin most of this on Sark.   He’s making it worse for the kid.  Imagine what arch would dos t ole miss

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

Turrible, just turrible 

 

Yikes. I'd blocked that out of my mind. It does indicate, again, that Sark does set up plays that would work very well with just a competent QB. Caldwell hits that pass. 

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54 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Lol. Everyone here was pised about the screen game because it was just a throwaway down anytime we used it, it was getting blown up so much. Look. I think the only solution with this guy is to adjust the route concepts. Routes need to be end somewhat stationary because he cannot hit anything moving with any regularity. 


drag routes are off the table. Just brutal. 

Didn’t Herman give Ehlinger almost nothing but curls in the middle of the field? 

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Posted
1 minute ago, B00M said:


drag routes are off the table. Just brutal. 

Didn’t Herman give Ehlinger almost nothing but curls in the middle of the field? 

Hard to remember that far back but I do remember his routes he threw to being high schoolish. You are right though. Certain routes need to be off the table. Maybe revisit it when his processing picks up but right now....nay

Posted
14 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

Turrible, just turrible 

 


He had three, horrible misses last night. This one, the crosser to Wingo and the slant to Mosley where he did the hard part and stepped up into the blitz only to sail the bail three yards over his head. All three were explosive and game changing plays that likely lead to points. It’s completely indefensible at this point. 

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10 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Im one of Arch’s biggest advocates here.  Seems to be great kid who just wants to be one of the guys.   However, in his best game, we scored one touchdown.   That’s not great

 

i don’t care what he did against the three fcs teams.  Vs p4 opponents he’s got a C- grade.   Now I do pin most of this on Sark.   He’s making it worse for the kid.  Imagine what arch would dos t ole miss

Arch would not see the field for any other major program. He probably wouldn't see the field for the majority of non major programs. 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Blitzes and rushes that should never get home get there because he cannot get the ball out.

It did seem like that. Surely we have hot routes built into most pass plays and Arch rarely hits them or even looks for them. 

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Roma, the dude is late on everything. He is late on his reads. He is late on coming off his reads. He is late on his incompletions and he is late on his completions. He is just late. Everything is so slow, and a large part as to why the O-line looks the way it does. Blitzes and rushes that should never get home get there because he cannot get the ball out. For example, the play where he got sacked trying to throw to Livingstone coming across the formation, Parker was open on the break and Arch waiting until he was well past the center to throw it. If he throws it right away the rush never gets there and Parker is running for a 1st down. Its like he doesn't have the plays memorized and it just out there throwing to whatever he sees open like back yard football. There is zero pre snap recognition for what should be open. Its all just wait and see. 

Exactly. And what do you do with a QB who is always late AND horribly inaccurate? There’s just not that many good options left.
He might be serviceable in a Veer and shoot offense where the read is simple, the field is spread and the route tree is pared down. But that obviously is not happening.
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1 hour ago, Nueces River Rat said:

 We will see if the $9.95’ers have spine tomorrow.  

 

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 any minor criticisms those clowns may make will be couched with plenty of excuses so that they stay in daddy Sark's good graces. But honestly, who gives a fuck what those pandering jock sniffers have to say? 

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Just now, 6th Street said:

This loser has managed just 1 TD in 3 of the 4 games we've played against P5 opponents. 

Hey now…he’s not a loser. Cmon man. 
 

he’s just not the heisman caliber guy we thought.  Or even mid tier P4 QB we need. 

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14 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Roma, the dude is late on everything. He is late on his reads. He is late on coming off his reads. He is late on his incompletions and he is late on his completions. He is just late. Everything is so slow, and a large part as to why the O-line looks the way it does. Blitzes and rushes that should never get home get there because he cannot get the ball out. For example, the play where he got sacked trying to throw to Livingstone coming across the formation, Parker was open on the break and Arch waiting until he was well past the center to throw it. If he throws it right away the rush never gets there and Parker is running for a 1st down. Its like he doesn't have the plays memorized and it just out there throwing to whatever he sees open like back yard football. There is zero pre snap recognition for what should be open. Its all just wait and see. 

Being easier on Arch isn't saying that he's good. In fact, my post never said that he is. I mainly commented on what appeared to me to be a goal when the game started. Release fast no matter what and accuracy will follow. The former didn't last long and the latter never happened. I watched the game, and, while not nearly as astute as you, I could see what you do. 

I've got to remember that it's all or nothing around here. If you look at my posts from earlier in the season, and I don't know why anybody would, you will see that I was a ridiculed proponent of the notion that he was not performing at even nearly a competent level, and, if it were to continue, we should give someone else a try. I'm still there.

Performance is everything.

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3 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

I think arch would do well with a guy like lane

Based on what?  
 

look I know you we all think Sark has issues. But arch isn’t completing basic college level passes.  
 

That’s not coaching or scheming guys open(sark has done that). 
 

maybe Lane improves mechanics…but a coach can’t make a guy a better processor. Not be late on throws. How he sees the field.

This is not a “the coach is making arch worse because he’s not calling the right plays” situation. 
 

he didn’t evaluate the QB properly and allowed the OL and Weapons to become less the elite when he should have done better. So sark has some blame for sure but I don’t think another team magically fixes arch’s issues 

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1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

Being easier on Arch isn't saying that he's good. In fact, my post never said that he is. I mainly commented on what appeared to me to be a goal when the game started. Release fast no matter what and accuracy will follow. The former didn't last long and the latter never happened. I watched the game, and, while not nearly as astute as you, I could see what you do. 

I've got to remember that it's all or nothing around here. If you look at my posts from earlier in the season, and I don't know why anybody would, you will see that I was a ridiculed proponent of the notion that he was not performing at even nearly a competent level, and, if it were to continue, we should give someone else a try. I'm still there.

Performance is everything.

Here is the thing bro. I dont think its all that serious. I will post what I think it is in another post in a second. 

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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

Here is the thing bro. I dont think its all that serious. I will post what I think it is in another post in a second. 

I look forward to it. Seriously.

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49 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I said during the game it appeared they were intentionally not running Tre, IE a pitch count. Something is going on there and Sark is notorious for keeping a small circle with his skill guys. He needs to get these young guys going so they can help take the pressure of Tre. Have you noticed under Sark that every RB that has done well here we found by accident? When we had no choice. He needs to quit being stubborn with his skill guys. Find a use for Niblet who is great with the ball in his hands. Quit trying to force fucking Wingo to be the dude when 13 is better than him. 

I do not understand what is going on with Sark. Yes I know this is the Arch thread but a lot of our problems (not all) are stemming from Sark. The game plan. The skill guys he wants to use. And it’s true, some of these RBs are turning out to be great like happy accidents but he’s sticking with his game plan he wants to enforce. This is very much in line with what fans wrote on forums at Washington where many of Sark’s trends there are in glaring focus here. It’s like he reverts to default mode. I do not understand what is going on with Arch but he didn’t look like this last year. The team is mostly flat after firing on mostly all cylinders against OU. There is something very very wrong with the offense and Sark is the architect of the something wrong. It’s not just Arch. People aren’t seeing the entire chessboard here. 

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7 minutes ago, Drew said:

Based on what?  
 

look I know you we all think Sark has issues. But arch isn’t completing basic college level passes.  
 

That’s not coaching or scheming guys open(sark has done that). 
 

maybe Lane improves mechanics…but a coach can’t make a guy a better processor. Not be late on throws. How he sees the field.

This is not a “the coach is making arch worse because he’s not calling the right plays” situation. 
 

he didn’t evaluate the QB properly and allowed the OL and Weapons to become less the elite when he should have done better. So sark has some blame for sure but I don’t think another team magically fixes arch’s issues 

You dont think sark has issues?  This is where we differ.  A lot of this is on sark.  

Posted
2 minutes ago, Drew said:

Based on what?  
 

look I know you we all think Sari has issues. But arch isn’t completing basic college level passes.  
 

That’s not coaching or scheming guys open(sark has done that). 
 

maybe Kane improved mechanics…but a coach can’t make a guy a better processor. Not be late on throws. How he sees the field.

This is not a “the coach is making arch worse because he’s not calling the right plays” situation. 
 

he didn’t evaluate the QB properly and allowed the OL and Weapons to become less the elite when he should have done better. 

Bro. I honestly think this dude just doesn't know the plays bro. Lol. It seems obvious to me. Anything that dude can see or truly knows, like a deep ball, he is accurate as hell. He is accurate when its scramble drill time. He is only inaccurate when its in the confines of the offense. Anyone who played sports knew a guy who didnt have the plays down. Whether it was he didnt study or was plane just dumb. I honestly this Arch just doesn't know the plays and therefore plays with zero anticipation. 

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3 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

You dont think sark has issues?  This is where we differ.  A lot of this is on sark.  

If you had Arch coming in and this "#1 season" ahead of you, you have to hit the portal and shell out for two badass OL with experience. Going in with an inexperienced OL to this year was a major mistake.

Otherwise, I really don't blame Sark. These WRs are so fucking wide open it's hard to believe, and the missed throws are equally hard to believe. Unless you're saying it's on Sark to keep playing Arch (which I imagine there's sports-politics pressure to do so, so to speak), I think Sark is doing well.

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Can we finally acknowledge that this team is really fucking good and we don't need a superstar QB to send us to the national championship game? Arch is our Greg McElroy. He's gonna make one hell of an UDFA in the NFL. 

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6 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

You dont think sark has issues?  This is where we differ.  A lot of this is on sark.  

I said we all foget the you was a mistyped.  
 

Obviously sark is to blame for not getting a better OL coach and weapons. 

but you can’t possibly excuse arch’s play and base it on sark is what I’m saying. 

Posted
17 minutes ago, Drew said:

Hey now…he’s not a loser. Cmon man. 
 

he’s just not the heisman caliber guy we thought.  Or even mid tier P4 QB we need. 

“He’s not a loser, he’s just a below average QB”

Calculate Zach Galifianakis GIF

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Just now, B00M said:

“He’s not a loser, he’s just a below average QB”

Calculate Zach Galifianakis GIF

Sorry I think calling a kid a Loser is abit much. Dude is like 6-2 as a starter.  
 

and my history suggests I don’t think he’s been good enough so this isn’t me trying yo hype him up.  
 

think we can say he’s been bad without calling him names. 

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To think some of you were worried Arch would only be here one more year and he is going to end up being 5th year senior here.

He can stay as long as he likes with the understanding that there will be no more money. Those monies will be allocated for a competent QB in the portal. I'd also like to know how his dipshit frat boy brother was admitted as an OOS applicant because that requires a 1595 SAT.
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13 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

Can we finally acknowledge that this team is really fucking good and we don't need a superstar QB to send us to the national championship game? Arch is our Greg McElroy. He's gonna make one hell of an UDFA in the NFL. 

Greg McElroy would have us undefeated. 

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Seems to me the kid doesn’t trust what he is seeing on the field and/or doesn’t trust his ability throwing the ball. I want to think most of that is mental but maybe the kid just doesn’t have it. I would have never expected this train wreck out of a Manning. 

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