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1 minute ago, HendersonHorns said:

I agree with you completely on the last part of your paragraph. 
 

i don’t know that I’ve ever given trump praise on this site. I could be wrong. When I talked about the Democratic congressmen and women, I guess I did it in a trump thread, but I don’t think I was taking up for him as much as I was giving disdain for them. 
 

i understand your point about it though. And I appreciate a genuine response. 🤘🏻

If you want to engage in genuine, good faith discussion, I’m sure plenty of people here will do so. 

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24 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

 

Do we need one of those same threads where we pick which Democratic candidate we want to take the place of Biden? Is Gavin Newson Schloss in this analogy?

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I'm sure Trump was on something even if only a low dose of ADHD meds or something.

Second, Biden is going to have a hell of a time climbing out of this but he can. he needs two legit performances - one more debate and the convention. then just pound the cold narrative between now and then.  maybe one or two solid stump speeches too.

But the travesty is Biden isn't arguably a good president. That's not even debatable. what he's done in Europe, alliances forming against a rising China, rebuilding the executive, infrastructure, climate change funding, decency, several bipartisan bills, he would have sweeping immigration reform except Trump threatened republicans. The Afghanistan withdrawal was not great but it wasn't going to be great for anyone and every President left Afghanistan for the next guy. Biden made the tough choice and got us out and is now the first president since when, Clinton to have no troops abroad? He successfully helped defend Israel (for better or for worse an ally) from an historic all out attack by Iran. He's one of the primary bulwarks standing against Putin (and if you study Putin he's taken advantage of every US President until now). The man is the most effective president in the last 30 years. That alone puts him on the list as one of the greatest in our lifetime and arguably the last 75-100 years. FDR, LBJ, then maybe Reagan (retrospectively not a fan but still hard to argue against his influence/impact) and Biden, Clinton and GWB after that and I love Obama but he got stymied after TARP and ACA. Biden not so much.

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45 minutes ago, troph said:

I'm sure Trump was on something even if only a low dose of ADHD meds or something.

Second, Biden is going to have a hell of a time climbing out of this but he can. he needs two legit performances - one more debate and the convention. then just pound the cold narrative between now and then.  maybe one or two solid stump speeches too.

But the travesty is Biden isn't arguably a good president. That's not even debatable. what he's done in Europe, alliances forming against a rising China, rebuilding the executive, infrastructure, climate change funding, decency, several bipartisan bills, he would have sweeping immigration reform except Trump threatened republicans. The Afghanistan withdrawal was not great but it wasn't going to be great for anyone and every President left Afghanistan for the next guy. Biden made the tough choice and got us out and is now the first president since when, Clinton to have no troops abroad? He successfully helped defend Israel (for better or for worse an ally) from an historic all out attack by Iran. He's one of the primary bulwarks standing against Putin (and if you study Putin he's taken advantage of every US President until now). The man is the most effective president in the last 30 years. That alone puts him on the list as one of the greatest in our lifetime and arguably the last 75-100 years. FDR, LBJ, then maybe Reagan (retrospectively not a fan but still hard to argue against his influence/impact) and Biden, Clinton and GWB after that and I love Obama but he got stymied after TARP and ACA. Biden not so much.

President /= Presidential candidate unfortunately 

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8 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I missed the debate.  (I'm trying to learn to sail.  Snipe - what a stupid boat).  

No no, you're supposed to say your boat was out of wifi! 😛

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2 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

President /= Presidential candidate unfortunately 

President is always better than presidential candidate, act presidential and you assuage all fears, they need to do the opposite of the basement though, show him behind the scenes, it looked like jitters more than ability during the debate.

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I think if Joe is still the candidate a week from Monday he goes through to Nov.    I would put the odds at 75/25 he is the candidate.   Up until yesterday I would have said zero chance there is a change.

Going to be a fascinating 10 days.

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15 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I think if Joe is still the candidate a week from Monday he goes through to Nov.    I would put the odds at 75/25 he is the candidate.   Up until yesterday I would have said zero chance there is a change.

Going to be a fascinating 10 days.

I think that’s pretty accurate 

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3 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

Age Concern Troll checking in. 

I missed the debate.  (I'm trying to learn to sail.  Snipe - what a stupid boat).  

I'm all in with the Dems on this one, so I'm fine with Joe, smokey Kamala, gay Pete, or the Californian.

 

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4 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I agree 100% with everything you just typed.  Joe Biden is undoubtedly the best president of my lifetime.  And to be honest, it isn't even particularly close.  There are things I would wish had been done better.  But the list of accomplishments in 3.5 years is pretty remarkable.

And now it's time for him to do one more thing for his country--stand down.  Give a gracious speech from the Oval about how it's time to pass the torch to a new generation.  Channel JFK's First Inaugural, except instead of being the torch-recipient, speak as the torch-passer.  It would breathe new life into the campaign.  It would give the Democratic candidate an unbelievable advantage of not just being not old, but also of being the basis for excitement for the future.  It would defeat Trump.

It would save the Republic.

And it's probably not going to happen.

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While I initially treated him as simply the cure for the Tumor Trump in 2020, I've come to appreciate that Joe has done remarkably well given the shit sandwich he was handed.  And has surrounded himself by an outstanding team while Trump filled his senior positions and cabinet with either people that were woefully unqualified and stuck around the grift or were actually qualified, served for 15 minutes, and got the fuck outta Dodge.  

It's a helluva gambit, but worth considering and toot-sweet.  Does Biden run on his record, which is strong, while being rather feckless towards a piece of shit like Trump and his record of crime and confidence schemes?  But may not be able to pull it off?  Or does the DNC convince him and run somebody else before August who reinvigorates the party?  It may be better in the long run for the Democrats, but it could also be a roll of the dice that implodes on them and puts Trump back into the Oval.  

I think 2032 and beyond, y'all's party should be fine given census, redistricting, and demography shifts.  But that's an awfully long way from now for the old school Clinton-Obama-Biden-Schumer-Pelosi regime.  You're talking about 5 people who'll be in their 80's, 90's, or dead by then.  So I get you wanna stick with probably has a 55% of working to get Trump outta there but you gotta marry that with what might happen to the 8-year period after this election if Biden dies, Harris isn't electable, MAGA nation throws its weight behind a new candidate, etc.  It's a precarious position, and it lays heavy upon the shoulders of an 81yo man who is a great delegating point guard, but not exactly a high-energy team Captain.

Time is always winding down in America.  But I have a bad feeling, that we may be winding down with it.  

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5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Y’all bitches need to be cool, like I said.

Dude you are missing it. This is the time to make one guy super favorable and one stays the same unfavorable. Then this isn't a close election. 

Instead we have 2 garbage candidates no one actually likes, yet somehow they got the nomination. 

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Just now, immamac said:

Dude you are missing it. This is the time to make one guy super favorable and one stays the same unfavorable. Then this isn't a close election. 

Instead we have 2 garbage candidates no one actually likes, yet somehow they got the nomination. 

Somehow? They won elections. 

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Just now, immamac said:

Dude you are missing it. This is the time to make one guy super favorable and one stays the same unfavorable. Then this isn't a close election. 

Instead we have 2 garbage candidates no one actually likes, yet somehow they got the nomination. 

This was always going to be a close election. Welcome to reality.

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Just now, wildcat09 said:

This was always going to be a close election. Welcome to reality.

It shouldn't be. That's why people are dooming. It shouldn't be close between a psychotic moron who wants to openly talk about installing himself as dictator and dismantling fundamental parts of our country and literally anyone else. 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

Dude you are missing it. This is the time to make one guy super favorable and one stays the same unfavorable. Then this isn't a close election. 

Instead we have 2 garbage candidates no one actually likes, yet somehow they got the nomination. 

This was never happening Jesus Christ himself could come down as a democrat and this was always a close election, there is NO pulling away it is a bizarrer sportslike fantasy.

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Just now, immamac said:

It shouldn't be. That's why people are dooming. It shouldn't be close between a psychotic moron who wants to openly talk about installing himself as dictator and dismantling fundamental parts of our country and literally anyone else. 

Dooming is just depressing the vote, stop pretending we are fans here, we decide the outcome through votes and effort, (and money but fans also do that)

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2 minutes ago, immamac said:

It shouldn't be. That's why people are dooming. It shouldn't be close between a psychotic moron who wants to openly talk about installing himself as dictator and dismantling fundamental parts of our country and literally anyone else. 

Joe Biden probably wasn't the best choice in 2020. 

But he keeps winning.

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

It shouldn't be. That's why people are dooming. It shouldn't be close between a psychotic moron who wants to openly talk about installing himself as dictator and dismantling fundamental parts of our country and literally anyone else. 

It shouldn't have been close in 2016 or 2020 either (and the GOP shouldn't control nearly as many states as it does and it shouldn't have won the House in 2022). But it is, because we're a very divided country and there's a whole lot of stupid assholes we share it with. 

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Joe Biden probably wasn't the best choice in 2020. 

But he keeps winning.

He wasn't one of my top two choices but looking back at how close it was, I feel fairly confident that none of the other candidates would've beaten Trump. 

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4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It shouldn't have been close in 2016 or 2020 either (and the GOP shouldn't control nearly as many states as it does and it shouldn't have won the House in 2022). But it is, because we're a very divided country and there's a whole lot of stupid assholes we share it with. 

Remember kids: it wouldn't be close if we had a modern, grown up Constitution that doesn't dictate that we the select a chief executive based on the notion that we shouldn't hurt the feelings of white men who own black people.

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

He wasn't one of my top two choices but looking back at how close it was, I feel fairly confident that none of the other candidates would've beaten Trump. 

People are smoking when they think it was close, try finding those 11k "undecideds" that voted for Biden over Trump in Arizona, if you can easily track them down then congrats it was easy. Its not.

You need gargantuan efforts just to move a needle and it moves honestly because people die and new voters take their place. See Georgia half an administration ago. Both after Jan 6, Warnock on both ballots and democrats gained .4% when they should have lost under normal rules.

 

 

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Remember kids: it wouldn't be close if we had a modern, grown up Constitution that doesn't dictate that we the select a chief executive based on the notion that we shouldn't hurt the feelings of white men who own black people.

Its too late even though I think a reconstruction period needed to have taken place it is too late, worry about that later.

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19 minutes ago, immamac said:

It shouldn't be. That's why people are dooming. It shouldn't be close between a psychotic moron who wants to openly talk about installing himself as dictator and dismantling fundamental parts of our country and literally anyone else. 

Unfortunately, 40% or so in this country would like to take the US back to a time where we owned slaves and women served as 'breeders' who can't vote.

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23 minutes ago, linux said:

This was never happening Jesus Christ himself could come down as a democrat and this was always a close election, there is NO pulling away it is a bizarrer sportslike fantasy.

This. The majority of Americans are truly stupid and deplorable. No person alive can have a D by their name and win big. Not possible.

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Democrats have won every single election since Roe v Wade, and only lost one legit competitive election since Jan 6 (Va gov), people panicking are doing Trump a favor.

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"Hey this thing happened recently a couple of times, there's zero reason to worry about the opposite happening even though there is viable evidence it might."

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39 minutes ago, immamac said:

Dude you are missing it. This is the time to make one guy super favorable and one stays the same unfavorable. Then this isn't a close election. 

Instead we have 2 garbage candidates no one actually likes, yet somehow they got the nomination. 

They got the nomination because supermajorities of participating voters selected them in the primaries. There was never serious opposition to either candidate. Sentiments like these are reflections of the electorate, ultimately, not the candidates.

 

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49 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Y’all bitches need to be cool, like I said.

Well, he's behind.  So further entrenching the status quo doesn't do him any good.

10 minutes ago, linux said:

Democrats have won every single election since Roe v Wade, and only lost one legit competitive election since Jan 6 (Va gov), people panicking are doing Trump a favor.

You know what--fuck you.

I sweatergawd you sound as fucking delusional as the biggest Q-Anon nutter.  Things are not fucking fine.  Biden is not in a good position, and that was a fucking disaster last night. 

I don't understand why so many Democrats out there seem bound and determined to deny reality.

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1 minute ago, Ghost of LL said:

Well, he's behind.  So further entrenching the status quo doesn't do him any good.

You know what--fuck you.

I sweatergawd you sound as fucking delusional as the biggest Q-Anon nutter.  Things are not fucking fine.  Biden is not in a good position, and that was a fucking disaster last night. 

I don't understand why so many Democrats out there seem bound and determined to deny reality.

Because you are denying reality the primaries are over what the fuck is your plan?

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56 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Y’all bitches need to be cool, like I said.

99.9999% of people who are actually going to vote made up their minds long ago.

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Posted
1 minute ago, G650 said:

99.9999% of people who are actually going to vote made up their minds long ago.

And our goal is to get them to vote, convincing people is a waste of time. 

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The goal is to suppress turnout of the deplorables and increase turnout of everyone else.  We do that by rallying around the greatest president of the last 50 years. 

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Maybe they should have had some debates in the Democratic primary a few months ago?  Might have been a better time for this debacle to occur. I know I know, incumbents don't need to debate within the party, etc etc, but that was hard to watch last night. Would have been much better coming from within the party to lessen the blows and focus on policy. 

I do wonder if Biden needs to dump Harris as VP and pick someone that may actually appeal to voters as a "President-in-Waiting." I have a hard time buying the idea that Biden will make it 4 full years before resigning, dying or having the 25th amendment invoked. The narrative from the right is going to shift soon to "Do you really want Kamala Harris to be President?  Because that's what you're voting for with Biden" and I think that may appeal to some independents like the anti-Hillary sentiment in 2016. Sure she doesn't have the same baggage, but she's not a strong candidate in the first place. Newsome needs to be the backup plan for Biden. Let Biden make it 2+ years, then ride off into the sunset to let Gavin take over for the next 8 years after that, and maybe things can get back to normal as Alito and Thomas die out sometime during that administration. 

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25 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Well, he's behind.  So further entrenching the status quo doesn't do him any good.

You know what--fuck you.

I sweatergawd you sound as fucking delusional as the biggest Q-Anon nutter.  Things are not fucking fine.  Biden is not in a good position, and that was a fucking disaster last night. 

I don't understand why so many Democrats out there seem bound and determined to deny reality.

Yep, on one side you have crazy people who believe the 2020 election was rigged and on the other you have crazy people pretending that JoeB is not a flawed candidate and that last night was not detrimental to his campaign.

Arguing with either of those groups is pointless.  They are both fucking nuts.

But hey, as long as the echoes keep reverberating in the chamber, we must be winning.  Right?

Right??

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Changes since the 2020 election

Michigan has early voting and easier absentee mail in voting, that should make it easier for poor people to vote. 

Nevada made mandatory mail in ballots sent to voters a thing which once again helps poor people vote.

Georgia enacted restrictions shorter early voting

Arizona has seen no changes, governor vetos to end mail in voting

Wisconsin enacted voter ID laws to depress the poor vote.

NC the same.

It could have been so much worse

9 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Yep, on one side you have crazy people who believe the 2020 election was rigged and on the other you have crazy people pretending that JoeB is not a flawed candidate and that last night was not detrimental to his campaign.

Arguing with either of those groups is pointless.  They are both fucking nuts.

But hey, as long as the echoes keep reverberating in the chamber, we must be winning.  Right?

Right??

Except that is not what I said, I said there is no plan B.

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And I blame the dems for their only plan A being a shit show.  If there is no plan B, your plan A to stop the destruction of American democracy better be fucking sound.  It is not.

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4 minutes ago, Goredho said:

And I blame the dems for their only plan A being a shit show.  If there is no plan B, your plan A to stop the destruction of American democracy better be fucking sound.  It is not.

Again there is no plan B, because plan B is impossible not only are electors legally bound to vote for Biden, even if he released them you have to have primaries otherwise it is a democrat civil war

2016 Bernie lost primaries and conceeded, people pointed out the delegates went for Hillary

2020 Bernie lost primaries and conceded, people pointed out Biden was going to have them all

Now in 2024 everybody is throwing their hat in the ring, socialists, log cabin, centrists, enviromentalists all want their pick there is no primary to point to that their candidate lost = civil war 3 months away from election day.

That is reality anybody have a different plan? I mean aside from building a time machine of course.



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