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7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The vast amount of posters are cringe-ass 50 year old guys so we’re actually doing pretty well. 

 

5 minutes ago, nineliveslost said:

Over 50😁

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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

That was literally met with 100 riot cops and horse cops and a fleet of cop vehicles. They were pushed off of the South Mall and then arrested for trespassing. Have you watched literally any of the footage?

Why watch the UT footage when they can watch whatever footage Fox News shows them and they can just apply it to every single protest?

Posted
1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

That’s at UT?

I was responding to a specific example cited by Brisket. I hadn't heard of or seen that sign until he had mentioned it and I looked into it. This was probably not Austin.

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6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Forgive the newbie question, but I really don't want to wade through 17 pages.  What are the Cliff's Notes as to why people here are upset? 

 

Let me give it a shot:

  • Pro Palestine group wants to demonstrate on campus
  • Hartzell says no
  • Pro Palestine group does it anyway
  • Hartzell asked Hot Wheels days in advance for help clearing group
  • Hot Wheels sends in DPS riot crews who forcefully clear the area, pushing peaceful demonstrators into roads and arresting them for blocking roadways
  • A Fox cameraman accidentally bumps a DPS jackbook and is knocked to the ground and arrested
  • Hartzell releases statement late in the evening, it shows he was complicit in the clearing of demonstrators
  • There is ZERO evidence of anti-Semitism or violence from the demonstrators before being cleared by force
  • Report comes out that all arrested demonstrators have been released from jail and no charges are being pressed
  • Students who have been arrested are not being allowed back on campus at this time -- just in time for finals
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4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Let me give it a shot:

  • Pro Palestine group wants to demonstrate on campus
  • Hartzell says no
  • Pro Palestine group does it anyway
  • Hartzell asked Hot Wheels days in advance for help clearing group
  • Hot Wheels sends in DPS riot crews who forcefully clear the area, pushing peaceful demonstrators into roads and arresting them for blocking roadways
  • A Fox cameraman accidentally bumps a DPS jackbook and is knocked to the ground and arrested
  • Hartzell releases statement late in the evening, it shows he was complicit in the clearing of demonstrators
  • There is ZERO evidence of anti-Semitism or violence from the demonstrators before being cleared by force
  • Report comes out that all arrested demonstrators have been released from jail and no charges are being pressed
  • Students who have been arrested are not being allowed back on campus at this time -- just in time for finals

Thanks.

Probably an overreaction, but it doesn't sound that bad.  I mean it's not like it was Kent State Pt. 2 or anything.

Posted
4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Let me give it a shot:

  • Pro Palestine group wants to demonstrate on campus
  • UT Admin says no
  • Pro Palestine group does it anyway
  • No one is doing anything illegal or disruptive.
  • Hartzell is on record days in advance collaborating with the governor/etc for help clearing group
  • Hot Wheels sends in DPS riot crews who forcefully clear the area,
  • They arrive and no one is doing anything for them to care about, it's actually quite a lame protest.
  • Riot Crew for some reason after 2 hours of completely peaceful, lame protesting begin pushing peaceful demonstrators into roads and arresting them for blocking roadways
  • A Fox cameraman accidentally bumps a DPS jackbook and is knocked to the ground and arrested
  • Hartzell releases statement late in the evening, it shows he was complicit in the clearing of demonstrators
  • There is ZERO evidence of anti-Semitism or violence from the demonstrators before being cleared by force
  • Report comes out that all arrested demonstrators have been released from jail and no charges are being pressed
  • Students who have been arrested are not being allowed back on campus at this time -- just in time for finals

you got some key pieces wrong. Fixed them in bold. 

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Posted
23 minutes ago, immamac said:

That's not what this site was or is. I explicitly said it's irreverence with the serious undertones which is specifically different from whatever collegehumor/4chan bullshit label you are trying to stick on surly. The vast majority of humor on this site isn't cringe-ass 4 year old tough guy bullshit, but there is plenty of that because it's a bunch of 35-55 year olds on the internet. 

Tell me you were never on rsfc without telling me you were never on rsfc.

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6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Thanks.

Probably an overreaction, but it doesn't sound that bad.  I mean it's not like it was Kent State Pt. 2 or anything.

Correct. 100% overreaction because the powers-that-be in this state don't like the message themselves. Nor do they really care but they're pandering to their supposed support base, which is support Israel at all cost. There is no nuance for these people -- that it's possible to support the Palestinian people who are being oppressed who didn't take part in 10/7 and also support the Israelis who suffered a brutal terroristic attack. It's also possible to think Netanyahu is huge piece of shit whose dick is hard to wipe not just Hamas off the map but all of the Palestinians.

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9 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Thanks.

Probably an overreaction, but it doesn't sound that bad.  I mean it's not like it was Kent State Pt. 2 or anything.

Yes because it's only really bad if students get shot and killed for protesting peacefully.

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10 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Thanks.

Probably an overreaction, but it doesn't sound that bad.  I mean it's not like it was Kent State Pt. 2 or anything.

It's moreso what Hartzell has been doing, completely selling out his student body to the culture war and now threatening academic punishment against legal peaceful protesters. That sets a precedent of punishing and ejecting students extrajudicially, and gives a strong weapon to a leader with ill intent in their heart

Edit: not saying hartzell is that person, but whoever comes after him is gonna have abbott's hand up his ass

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We'll never know how close it might have gotten to Kent State 2, though.  What if the students had resisted?  What would DPS have done?

I'm not at all confident that cooler heads would have prevailed.

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The KUT reporter issued an update to her earlier story

 

So they're at least not being academically punished, but it's still bullshit to bar tuition paying students from campus because you don't like their speech

Posted (edited)
34 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Yes because it's only really bad if students get shot and killed for protesting peacefully.

 

34 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Correct. 100% overreaction because the powers-that-be in this state don't like the message themselves. Nor do they really care but they're pandering to their supposed support base, which is support Israel at all cost. There is no nuance for these people -- that it's possible to support the Palestinian people who are being oppressed who didn't take part in 10/7 and also support the Israelis who suffered a brutal terroristic attack. It's also possible to think Netanyahu is huge piece of shit whose dick is hard to wipe not just Hamas off the map but all of the Palestinians.

 

33 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It's moreso what Hartzell has been doing, completely selling out his student body to the culture war and now threatening academic punishment against legal peaceful protesters. That sets a precedent of punishing and ejecting students extrajudicially, and gives a strong weapon to a leader with ill intent in their heart

Edit: not saying hartzell is that person, but whoever comes after him is gonna have abbott's hand up his ass

 

32 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

We'll never know how close it might have gotten to Kent State 2, though.  What if the students had resisted?  What would DPS have done?

I'm not at all confident that cooler heads would have prevailed.

I just watched (ok, skimmed through) a 2-hour video of the events.  The cops were there for like 1.5 hours before they started to clear the area. 

I'm about as anti-Israel as it gets (note: not antisemitic), but these protests...as with most protests, are a waste of time...and often counterproductive.  In my view, it wasn't an unreasonable response.  

That said, I'm not discounting the ideological angle for Abbott.  I don't know enough about Hartzell to make that same statement about him.

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Skipper said:

Yall need to go back and read @immamac's post about actually attempting to interject some humor instead of constant outrage posting. Maybe someone else will get it.

You need to rethink what humor is. 

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On a side note, Eeyore's might have just gotten more interesting as I assume there will be protests there as well.  

Let's see if I can get myself arrested...I mean for something other than pot possession.

Posted
1 hour ago, Captainant said:

It's completely inappropriate to academically punish students for peaceful and legal expressions of free speech. 

 

The academy has been corrupted. It is useful to recognize this. 

Posted
Just now, Dahobbs said:

Isn't that why college exists? It would be unamerican to stop them. 

That's what dorm rooms are for...nobody needs to be fucking in a tent or the behind bushes in broad daylight...this ain't HS.

Posted
1 hour ago, immamac said:

I mean it used to be so goofy that we had to use a [SERIOUS] label at the end of Shaggy/beginning of surly because people were goofing TOO much. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

That's what dorm rooms are for...nobody needs to be fucking in a tent or the behind bushes in broad daylight...this ain't HS.

Boring!

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Posted
29 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

In my view, it wasn't an unreasonable response.  

 

 

You're an extremely weird dude. "I'm a lib and I don't like Israel, but I'm all for cops assaulting and arresting peaceful protests" is a pretty rare take. 

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Yeah I was meaning to respond to that as well but then got distracted by mountain handjobs.

What about the police response was acceptable? If you watched 2 hours of footage, what did you see that warranted the reaction?

Edit: directed at Dixon

Posted
5 minutes ago, deft said:

Yeah I was meaning to respond to that as well but then got distracted by mountain handjobs.

What about the police response was acceptable? If you watched 2 hours of footage, what did you see that warranted the reaction?

Edit: directed at Dixon

Just generally clearing out a crowd that didn't have authorization to be there and was asked to leave...presumably for the previous 1.5 hours.  That's pretty standard practice.  They weren't swinging clubs or anything as far as I saw.

I hear the argument about 1A, but I don't feel like that was violated in this case.  Perhaps that's where we diverge.

Posted
3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Just generally clearing out a crowd that didn't have authorization to be there and was asked to leave...presumably for the previous 1.5 hours.  That's pretty standard practice.  They weren't swinging clubs or anything as far as I saw.

This is not an accurate description of what happened yesterday. They don't need authorization to be there because of the 2019 law signed by Abbott that turns public universities into designated public discourse spaces. The police didn't ask anything of the protesters, the just started kettling protesters and forced them into streets so they could be arrested for blocking the street. 

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12 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

You're an extremely weird dude. "I'm a lib and I don't like Israel, but I'm all for cops assaulting and arresting peaceful protests" is a pretty rare take. 

I recognize that I have eclectic views...and often they appear contradictory.  But they aren't.  I have one set of beliefs based on how I think the world SHOULD work, and one for the way the DO.

The "should work" side is very liberal...bordering on anarchy, but I realize that's not really feasible in today's world, so I tend to default to a more practical approach.

For example, I am pro-trans, but I also think the left pushes too hard to make it mainstream, which causes a natural backlash on the far right.  At the same time I'm anti-MAGA, because they push too far right ideology too far, but I'm also against mass immigration.

As for Israel, I think its founding is the root of much of the problems in the ME, and should never have happened.

I feel like I've stayed firmly in the middle, but the edges (right and left) have moved further away from me.

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4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

This is not an accurate description of what happened yesterday. They don't need authorization to be there because of the 2019 law signed by Abbott that turns public universities into designated public discourse spaces. The police didn't ask anything of the protesters, the just started kettling protesters and forced them into streets so they could be arrested for blocking the street. 

That, and students most certainly had authorization to be in the six pack. 

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9 minutes ago, Captainant said:

This is not an accurate description of what happened yesterday. They don't need authorization to be there because of the 2019 law signed by Abbott that turns public universities into designated public discourse spaces. The police didn't ask anything of the protesters, the just started kettling protesters and forced them into streets so they could be arrested for blocking the street. 

From the article:

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Individuals themselves don’t usually need a permit to exercise their First Amendment rights, but some entities like cities may require one for unusually large protests or parades, in which case “reasonable time, place, and manner” restrictions may apply. Texas law allows universities to set “reasonable time, place, and manner” restrictions for common outdoor areas, as long as they allow "members of the university community to assemble or distribute written material without a permit or other permission from the institution."

 

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I recognize that I have eclectic views...and often they appear contradictory.  But they aren't.  I have one set of beliefs based on how I think the world SHOULD work, and one for the way the DO.
The "should work" side is very liberal...bordering on anarchy, but I realize that's not really feasible in today's world, so I tend to default to a more practical approach.
For example, I am pro-trans, but I also think the left pushes too hard to make it mainstream, which causes a natural backlash on the far right.  At the same time I'm anti-MAGA, because they push too far right ideology too far, but I'm also against mass immigration.
As for Israel, I think its founding is the root of much of the problems in the ME, and should never have happened.
I feel like I've stayed firmly in the middle, but the edges (right and left) have moved further away from me.

Trans people existing and asking to not be hatecrimed or even murdered: “omg quit forcing your culture into mainstream!”
You do once you start blocking access to buildings and walkways.
Here’s what the law says about protesting on Texas college campuses | The Texas Tribune

The protesters were herded into those positions.


Covered again. And again. And again. Teakettling.
Posted
4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

From the article:

 

Yes, and as was covered contemporaneously, they did not put any specific rules or restrictions in place or publish any prior to the event. I admire you clicking through the link, but it's not the gotcha you're hoping for

You should really get informed on what happened by reading the first page or two of this thread, or at least before Incredulity did the first threadshit. 

Posted
5 minutes ago, deft said:

Trans people existing and asking to not be hatecrimed or even murdered: “omg quit forcing your culture into mainstream!”

Yeah, cause that's what's happening.

I'm talking about not being able to be against hormone treatments for children without being labeled transphobic or anti-gay.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Yes, and as was covered contemporaneously, they did not put any specific rules or restrictions in place or publish any prior to the event. I admire you clicking through the link, but it's not the gotcha you're hoping for

You should really get informed on what happened by reading the first page or two of this thread, or at least before Incredulity did the first threadshit. 

So are you proposing that the cops and the University didn't try to get the organizers to break it up / leave before using force?

10 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

The protesters were herded into those positions.

What positions? 

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So what should have happened?  

Should UT have let the protestors erect a tent city encampment for as long as they like?

I'm reading a lot of rage, but no alternate solutions.

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