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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I'd venture to say at least half of them are. That's why they vote for Democrats.

I'd like to see some numbers on this but have no idea where I could find them. And there are plenty of other reasons to vote for Democrats other than wanting to be taxed more. This would probably be the least  popular reason for voting Democrat.

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10 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

The Hazlehurst MS Walmart has multiple full time job openings at 8 dollars an hour right now. Crystal Springs, MS has houses for rent for 300 a month right now.  Affordable. 

NYC has a minimum wage of 13 an hour, and 100s of entry level job openings that pay more than that. Apartments are available in eastern queens, the bronx, and staten island for less than 800 a month. Affordable. 

At some point, the desire to live in an exact location plays a small role dont you think?  It's true that you cant live in a neighborhood with 3k+ rents on minimum wage in NYC. But you can live in NYC, and you can eat, and you have free services available to you if you have children. But Manhattan though. It needs to be cheaper!

And why do people want to live in those exact locations? Don't simply think about why YOU want to live in an exact location, but think about the wide range of reasons. In fact, read my post and see the reasons I listed there very plainly.

Please do not channel Kevin D. Williamson. It's not becoming.

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2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

... Older generations got a much better deal economically than the kids are getting right now. You used to be able to get a middle-class income off ONE full-time worker with no college or special skills. ...

Inflation and fiat monetary policy have very real costs, but most peeps don't care to invest the brain power in understanding the problem.

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17 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

And why do people want to live in those exact locations? Don't simply think about why YOU want to live in an exact location, but think about the wide range of reasons. In fact, read my post and see the reasons I listed there very plainly.

Please do not channel Kevin D. Williamson. It's not becoming.

Because nightlife is good and there is more stuff to do.  Why do you think market rate rents get to 3k+? Its because people are willing to pay it. Jamaica Queens is boring but it has affordable rent and groceries and you can work in Manhattan too.

As for Hazlehurst, it's cheap because nobody wants to be there at all, but there are jobs and cheap housing available there right now. Are you too good to have your guaranteed job be there though?

And again, if you have a high density area that has 50,000 units and 300,000 people want to live there, how do you ration it?  If you put price controls on every single unit, nobody new would ever get in. Kids that grow up there would have to wait decades on a waitlist to get in. 

So instead, expensive areas have a hybrid system. There are low income lotteries as well as market rate housing. No matter what you do, however, you're never going to fit all of the 300,000 people that want to be there. They're gonna have to go to other parts of the city. Your DSA friends figured this out. It's why they're in Bushwick and Ridgewood now instead of Williamsburg and why the next batch of them will be in Glendale and Maspeth. But in doing so, they are pricing out long time residents who have to move to staten island. 

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Is it because she's from NYC and hot? I don't get why she has convulsed the nation the way she has. When this ginger vet topped a VA republican people didn't give much of a shit. Yeah, state Commonwealth vs national and shit, but it shouldn't be a shock (given her district) nor, sadly, at least to me, a harbinger of some kind of imminent DSA wave. https://newrepublic.com/article/145727/socialist-beat-one-virginias-powerful-republicans

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8 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Is it because she's from NYC and hot? I don't get why she has convulsed the nation the way she has. When this ginger vet topped a VA republican people didn't give much of a shit. Yeah, state Commonwealth vs national and shit, but it shouldn't be a shock (given her district) nor, sadly, at least to me, a harbinger of some kind of imminent DSA wave. https://newrepublic.com/article/145727/socialist-beat-one-virginias-powerful-republicans

She's very nice in person.  Not sure why people are convulsed. Also, I wouldn't call her hot. She's a Congress 10, but she wouldn't turn my head on the subway or anything.

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It's funny to watch right-wingers twist themselves into knots over an attractive young socialist woman, given that whether or not a woman is physically attractive is pretty much their only available selection criteria for women in power.

15 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

Because nightlife is good and there is more stuff to do. 

The question was:
And why do people want to live in those exact locations? Don't simply think about why YOU want to live in an exact location...

I think you got confused.

Do I seriously need to explain to a socialist why "Uproot your family to go live in a shitty place for an $8/hr job that might disappear tomorrow" is not sound economic planning advice either for the individual or a larger, society-wide condition?

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1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

It's funny to watch right-wingers twist themselves into knots over an attractive young socialist woman, given that whether or not a woman is physically attractive is pretty much their only available selection criteria for women in power.

The question was:
And why do people want to live in those exact locations? Don't simply think about why YOU want to live in an exact location...

I think you got confused.

Do I seriously need to explain to a socialist why "Uproot your family to go live in a shitty place for an $8/hr job that might disappear tomorrow" is not sound economic planning advice either for the individual or a larger, society-wide condition?

Why is Hazlehurst a shitty place?  It has low crime, it has jobs, it has public schools, and it has housing that is affordable.  And Walmart ain't going anywhere, unfortunately.  And for sure, if we go jobs guarantee, and you're assigned job is there, you don't have a choice in the matter, comrade.  Personally, I think a jobs guarantee is the dumbest fucking thing ever though.  I don't see the point of having someone that I don't need come and do unproductive "work" for me.  I'd rather just cut them a paycheck and tell them to go do something else.  That's why basic income is a hell of a lot better idea than a jobs guarantee.

But also, you're big on buzzwords, but short on plans.  Children whose parents raised them in Williamsburg can't afford to live in Williamsburg precisely because people like your DSA friends want to live there.  They are the ones driving up the prices because they don't come from NYC.  And you also have evil people who come to NYC for a decent paying job.  You have evil people who come here to "make it."  And you have immigrants who come here from other countries.  All of these people are competing for the same limited housing. 

So again, what do you do about densely populated areas?  Do you completely close them off to newcomers?  Do you lottery or waitlist everything?  Or do you do exactly what NYC is doing and lottery some for low income people and let the rest be market rate?  But at the end of the day, that kid from Williamsburg doesn't have to be "uprooted."  He/she can rent an affordable place in a different neighborhood and continue to have access to the entirety of the NYC job market, and can still hang out in Williamsburg.  Because in spite of you believing there is other reasoning, "cool" is what it is all about.  If that wasn't the case, there wouldn't be apartments for $800 a month in Jamaica right now, and rents would be the same everywhere in NYC.  But they aren't because people, and especially young DSA types, want to be where the action is.  Really, why do you think Ocasio Cortez tended bar near Union Square rather than in the Bronx?  Do you think she reported all her tips to the IRS?

If you're actually a thinker, you need to start looking at things that have been tried and failed.  China had restrictions on movement, but that resulted in slums being formed in their big cities.  Now, in spite of a prolonged construction boom, they still have some of the highest priced housing in the entire world.  In fact, there isn't a single dense and safe city in the whole world that doesn't have high housing costs.  This is what happens when too many people want to live in a finite place.  The only real way to lower costs is to kill demand, so I suppose you could drastically increase crime.

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19 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Why is Hazlehurst a shitty place?  It has low crime, it has jobs, it has public schools, and it has housing that is affordable.

Cities with a perfectly flat population since the 1950s tend to be awesome.

It has jobs? It's a town of 4k with a job opening at Wal-Mart. That's not a place that has "jobs", that's a place that has a Wal-Mart.

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 And Walmart ain't going anywhere, unfortunately.  And for sure, if we go jobs guarantee, and you're assigned job is there, you don't have a choice in the matter, comrade.  Personally, I think a jobs guarantee is the dumbest fucking thing ever though.  I don't see the point of having someone that I don't need come and do unproductive "work" for me.  I'd rather just cut them a paycheck and tell them to go do something else.  That's why basic income is a hell of a lot better idea than a jobs guarantee.

Assigned? Is assignment people to a certain job a necessary function of all jobs guarantee programs? Are UBI and jobs guarantees things that cannot exist together?

I'm getting sucked back into your vortex where you just make up arguments.

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Because in spite of you believing there is other reasoning, "cool" is what it is all about.

So the only reason people want to stay in the places they were born, near their family and friends, is because those places are cool?

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Do you think she reported all her tips to the IRS?

What the fuck kind of Turning Point USA shit is this? Christ, you're a beating. Half the time you sound like an angry, tattooed cop on Facebook.

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China had restrictions on movement, but that resulted in slums being formed in their big cities. 

Who was advocating restrictions on movement? Jesus Christ, you're pathological.

"You say that we should steer away from an economy that incentivizes people to break up their familial and community bonds to chase extremely low-pay and low-security retail work in dying areas? Well I guess you want to turn infants into soup and set all trees on fire, too, huh?"

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10 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

"Weak on crime" is an interesting bullet point. Don't know how happy I am with the concept of trying to co-opt a decades-long GOP call to racism.

If we're going to do it, though, we need to go hard.

She really shop lifted the pooty from the GOP in that tweet.

”weak on national security, family values, and moral courage” 

That has got to sting.

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19 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

"Weak on crime" is an interesting bullet point. Don't know how happy I am with the concept of trying to co-opt a decades-long GOP call to racism.

If we're going to do it, though, we need to go hard.

"Weak" could mean "dumb." As in the old "tough on crime, tougher on the causes of crime" mantra of Labour in the UK. 

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4 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Cities with a perfectly flat population since the 1950s tend to be awesome.

It has jobs? It's a town of 4k with a job opening at Wal-Mart. That's not a place that has "jobs", that's a place that has a Wal-Mart.

Assigned? Is assignment people to a certain job a necessary function of all jobs guarantee programs? Are UBI and jobs guarantees things that cannot exist together?

I'm getting sucked back into your vortex where you just make up arguments.

So the only reason people want to stay in the places they were born, near their family and friends, is because those places are cool?

What the fuck kind of Turning Point USA shit is this? Christ, you're a beating. Half the time you sound like an angry, tattooed cop on Facebook.

Who was advocating restrictions on movement? Jesus Christ, you're pathological.

"You say that we should steer away from an economy that incentivizes people to break up their familial and community bonds to chase extremely low-pay and low-security retail work in dying areas? Well I guess you want to turn infants into soup and set all trees on fire, too, huh?"

I'm not angry. You're really just acting like an idiot and I have little patience for idiots. 

You advocated restriction of movement with your super rent control plan. Clearly, you have zero understanding of what is happening in cities that dont have room for further outward or upward growth, but at least you somewhat get why people want to move to them. None of your DSA people could have ever moved here under your rent control plan because there would never be an apartment available for them. And now they want to try to close the door on new people. Or you do, at least. To be fair, the DSA people I know dont call for the nonsensical rent control you call for. However, they also dont have a solution for allowing every single person who wants to live in NYC to live here because there isnt one.  Its finite and will be rationed, one way or another. 

The fact that Hazlehurst has a flat population makes it the perfect place for rent control so everyone can live next to their mom for the same price their mom paid. But it doesnt need it because you can already afford market rate housing at 1/4 of an entry level Walmart salary.  And it wont be dying once you implement your rent controls. Young Hazlehurst people wont be able to move to cities without first applying for a residence permit to qualify for the housing waitlist in cities, and most of those will already be reserved for children who are born there. That is the same shit that led to slums in China. The door will be fully closed to newcomers.  But really, you're a pretty shitty socialist because the tide is supposed to lift Hazlehurst boats too so that it's just as good a place to live as NYC. 

We dont need guaranteed jobs with basic income either.  You're already having your necessities covered. And what's wrong with Walmart as a guaranteed job anyway?  If your skillset is such that you need someone else to guarantee your employment, Walmart cashier is just about as good as you are going to do.  If you have a capability or a passion, basic income frees you up to go pursue it. You dont need a guaranteed job. So again, these unformed plans of yours still focus completely on place.  There is no such thing as a guaranteed job without assignment.  You want a guaranteed job doing what exactly? If you're good at something, you can already get a job doing it. And if you arent, why should someone be forced to hire you instead of someone who is good at it? In all this, we are trying to build a socialist infrastructure on top of capitalism. Hiring unproductive people intentionally is detrimental to that. Remember that the money for basic income is going to come from increasing corporate leanness.  The same leanness that has led to the current income gap. And why does a guaranteed job need to be in a city where everyone else wants to be?  If the 8.5 million people in NYC want to stay and another 2 million want to come, can you make a plan to fit them all?  If not, who do you reject?  If you think people currently in Hazlehurst should have to stay there then be a man and say it.

For me, basic income makes sure people have their needs met. I even laid out the plan, something you have yet to do for any of your buzzwords.  I understand that it's impossible to have all their wants met.  They're going to have to do some things themselves, and the cream will rise to the top like it always does. 

Stick with Medicare for all. At least Medicare is an existing model so you wont have to actually think. 

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2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

"Weak on crime" is an interesting bullet point. Don't know how happy I am with the concept of trying to co-opt a decades-long GOP call to racism.

If we're going to do it, though, we need to go hard.

The GOP is weak on white collar crime. On that, she is right.  Dont fall into the racist narrow definition of crime. Check out the white house occupant. Hard to be more criminal. 

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NYC for me, not for thee. lol you're a joke

*takes advantage of capitalist system to move into cool new place as part of a displacing movement of capital*

*advocates socialistic change the essentially codifies the already de-facto reality of locking the poor out of his new enclave*

*has zero self awareness about it*

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27 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

NYC for me, not for thee. lol you're a joke

Yeah dumbass, that is exactly what you are advocating because you arent capable of thinking anything through.  You advocate an NYC only for people who are from there. 

If you implement rent control on every unit in an area, turn over will be nearly nonexistent. If you want to insure that children who turn 18 live near their parents, you have to move them to the top of the waitlist for units. In an area with a positive birth rate, you cant even insure that alone. Either way, you're still locking out the entirety of people who want to move to the area from elsewhere for any reason. 

I'm looking out for your rights, slugger. I'm here already if your dumb fucking plan ever went through. 

And the poor exist in my enclave because the current system allows for set asides for low income people. It also has rent control and rent stabilized units that never go vacant and have been populated by the same people for decades and whose kids will most likely illegally occupy them when they die. Its far from rich people only.  In fact the average income is nothing to write home about.  Like everything else, you have zero knowledge about the the way things currently are, and even less knowledge when it comes to future planning. 

As for me, I would have come here if we were in China and I had to tough it out in a slum to find a ladder to get on, and even in the USA, I pretty much did it that way anyway.  I'm a doer though.  I'm trying to look out for people like you.  Like I said though.  I'll give you basic income.  You can call it a paycheck, but I wouldn't give you an actual job because you're fucking useless.

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3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

She really shop lifted the pooty from the GOP in that tweet.

”weak on national security, family values, and moral courage” 

That has got to sting.

Yea...cause she's rahtarded.

God Bless you poor simple fools for picking this dip shit...she's perfect. 

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14 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

She really shop lifted the pooty from the GOP in that tweet.

”weak on national security, family values, and moral courage” 

That has got to sting.

Coming from someone who doesn't understand how unemployment percentages are calculated or anything about the Middle East?  This is like Andy Reid cracking on another coaches clock management.

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18 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

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She is wearing a flag pin. She should be a true patriot in your eyes.  Remember when you dumbasses made a big deal about lapel pins back when you decided to turn patriotism into symbol worship?

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Can somewhat net out for in one sentence or less for each Fondren Road and bad_teammate?  For as much time as I spend on this board, for some reason I have skimmed over their tits-for-tats and I honestly don't know whether either is on one side of the aisle or not.

No insult to either of you guys. I just think both of you have spent time on issues slightly peripheral to what I usually get triggered on.

 

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10 hours ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

Do you know what's neat?

Thujone changed his name to bad_teammate so that he could divorce his persona from the bbs-legend. He learned from the weird stances he took on like suing 4loko or whatever that was about. He started off slow and steady but over the last few weeks he has betrayed himself.

Whether my conspiracy theory is true or not, however, b_t's fastball is working now and it's fun regardless.

Bt is either groverat or the guy that was something like austintx71 who lost a bet and was supposed to self banish from the old board. Not sure which one. Not sure why groverat disappeared either. Did he also lose a bet?  Maybe all 3 are the same guy. Definitely not thujone. 

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So she is a strong progressive but not enough? 

At a Kansas City, Kansas rally, Ocasio-Cortez tossed her support behind Brent Welder, a labor lawyer and 2016 campaign lieutenant for Sanders. But her endorsement of Welder has rankled some on the left, who complain she spurned Sharice Davids, a Native American lesbian mixed martial arts fighter who was born and reared in Kansas, whereas Welder was raised in Iowa.

Anyways, good article about the impact she is having on other races. 

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2018-07-27/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-risky-road-show

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8 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

So she is a strong progressive but not enough? 

At a Kansas City, Kansas rally, Ocasio-Cortez tossed her support behind Brent Welder, a labor lawyer and 2016 campaign lieutenant for Sanders. But her endorsement of Welder has rankled some on the left, who complain she spurned Sharice Davids, a Native American lesbian mixed martial arts fighter who was born and reared in Kansas, whereas Welder was raised in Iowa.

Anyways, good article about the impact she is having on other races. 

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2018-07-27/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-risky-road-show

Tom Niermann is the guy to vote for.  The Kansas primary is going to show whether folks like Ocasio-Cortez are going to screw the Dems over or, hopefully, just be an energizing force on the left.

Niermann has been referred to as one of the more moderate candidates in the race, but his campaign has pushed back on that narrative.

“I think a lot of people are trying to put labels on Tom that just don’t apply,” Niermann campaign manager Zach Helder said. “He is a teacher who cares deeply about the issues facing our community because he’s experienced them himself.”

Niermann has emphasized local endorsements, including from Republican state Sen. Barbara Bollier, and his connections to the community as a longtime teacher. He often discusses education, a hot-button issue in Kansas amid unpopular spending cuts, and is launching a second television ad focused on education this week. 

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Democrats involved and observing the race described Welder and Davids as likely to appeal to more liberal voters, while Niermann and Williams could appeal to more moderate voters who believe they have the best chance against Yoder. 

 

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/democrats-duke-strategy-must-win-kansas-district

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53 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Can somewhat net out for in one sentence or less for each Fondren Road and bad_teammate?  For as much time as I spend on this board, for some reason I have skimmed over their tits-for-tats and I honestly don't know whether either is on one side of the aisle or not.

No insult to either of you guys. I just think both of you have spent time on issues slightly peripheral to what I usually get triggered on.

 

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18 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

So she is a strong progressive but not enough? 

At a Kansas City, Kansas rally, Ocasio-Cortez tossed her support behind Brent Welder, a labor lawyer and 2016 campaign lieutenant for Sanders. But her endorsement of Welder has rankled some on the left, who complain she spurned Sharice Davids, a Native American lesbian mixed martial arts fighter who was born and reared in Kansas, whereas Welder was raised in Iowa.

Anyways, good article about the impact she is having on other races. 

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2018-07-27/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-risky-road-show

A Native American lesbian mixed martial arts fighter?  Go on...

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1 hour ago, tantric superman said:

Can somewhat net out for in one sentence or less for each Fondren Road and bad_teammate?  For as much time as I spend on this board, for some reason I have skimmed over their tits-for-tats and I honestly don't know whether either is on one side of the aisle or not.

No insult to either of you guys. I just think both of you have spent time on issues slightly peripheral to what I usually get triggered on.

 

If you get those two going again, I'm gonna neg you to Bolivia 

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43 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

What I picked out from the article is that a Zephyr Teachout is running in New Jersey. So I guess there will be a job opening at Hogwarts?

Teachout is running for AG of New York.  She's run for several NY offices over the years, but has yet to win any of them.  But yes, she does have a hell of a name.

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