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4 minutes ago, bolverk said:

It's probably not the right discussion for this since it concerns policy. Plus, we've discussed several possible solutions in the CR thread.

To keep it brief:

  1. The Israelis and the Palestinians must both relinquish any claim to land beyond the 1967 borders and recognize each other's right to exist.  WILL NEVER HAPPEN
  2. Go back to the idea in the original mandate: make Jerusalem an international city.  CANT HAPPEN
  3. International peacekeeping force and administration of Palestine for a period of time as it transitions to independence and builds up institutions. I firmly disagree with Israeli involvement in this effort.  WELL THEN IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN AND IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN EVEN WITH ISRAELI INVOLVEMENT
  4. All homes and infrastructure in the illegal settlements remain in place but handed over unmarred to the Palestinian State and refugees. 
  5. I'd likely keep some sort of peacekeeping presence all along the borders separating the two nations for quite some time.  

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

Hey a Frank Stallone reference. Shocker. People try and over complicate Israel. It’s not as complicated as it needs to be. The X factor is Palestinians always revert to having savages as leaders. There’ll never by any peace with that factor in place. 

The extremist and sometimes violent Israeli settlers and their leaders, who vocally support ethnic cleansing while claiming all the land from the river to the sea and with whom Bibi has allied to stay in power, get a pass though. Right?

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The extremist and sometimes violent Israeli settlers and their leaders, who vocally support ethnic cleansing while claiming all the land from the river to the sea and with whom Bibi has allied to stay in power, get a pass though. Right?

Seriously. This myth that Israel is just a bunch of civilized folks in Tel Aviv, sipping tea and enjoying their shakshuka, is insane. There is a sizable percentage of the Israeli population that is all-in on the “fuck every Palestinian” plan, and there has been for a long time. Israel has their own poison pill to deal with.
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9 minutes ago, bolverk said:

The extremist and sometimes violent Israeli settlers and their leaders, who vocally support ethnic cleansing while claiming all the land from the river to the sea and with whom Bibi has allied to stay in power, get a pass though. Right?

Huh. I never made a comment about settlers or Bibi. I certainly didn’t give them a pass. Never made a comment about all Israelis being great, innocent people. I said the X-factor is leadership savagery on the other side, from Hamas to Arafat and even long before him. Because it is. No amount of explaining what the other side did or does offsets this. It’s amazing anyone can dispute this. 

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I’m ending every argument with “I’m shocked/having a hard time believing anyone can dispute this”  like Rex from now on. Shit is fire. Cannot be touched.

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1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

I’m ending every argument with “I’m shocked/having a hard time believing anyone can dispute this”  like Rex from now on. Shit is fire. Cannot be touched.

Sidestep the content. You’ve been doing it all day. 

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44 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Huh. I never made a comment about settlers or Bibi. I certainly didn’t give them a pass. Never made a comment about all Israelis being great, innocent people. I said the X-factor is leadership savagery on the other side, from Hamas to Arafat and even long before him. Because it is. No amount of explaining what the other side did or does offsets this. It’s amazing anyone can dispute this. 

“I certainly didn’t give them a pass”

 

*proceeds to give them a pass*

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41 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Huh. I never made a comment about settlers or Bibi. I certainly didn’t give them a pass. Never made a comment about all Israelis being great, innocent people. I said the X-factor is leadership savagery on the other side, from Hamas to Arafat and even long before him. Because it is. No amount of explaining what the other side did or does offsets this. It’s amazing anyone can dispute this. 

Bibi is literally the most savage leader that entire area has ever seen, period. From a pure numbers standpoint alone, he and his leadership are responsible for far more death and destruction than anyone else. Likud is literally full of extremists (like Itamar Ben-Gvir) by design. If you are so deluded that you believe there is any shortage of savagery on the Israeli side, you either haven't been paying attention to anything they're saying, or you have simply ignored it for your own personal convenience.

 

4 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

“I certainly didn’t give them a pass”

 

*proceeds to give them a pass*

The fact that he simply resorts to calling them savages ought to clue you in on his real thoughts.

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30 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Bibi is literally the most savage leader that entire area has ever seen, period. From a pure numbers standpoint alone, he and his leadership are responsible for far more death and destruction than anyone else. Likud is literally full of extremists (like Itamar Ben-Gvir) by design. If you are so deluded that you believe there is any shortage of savagery on the Israeli side, you either haven't been paying attention to anything they're saying, or you have simply ignored it for your own personal convenience.

 

The fact that he simply resorts to calling them savages ought to clue you in on his real thoughts.

Do you dispute that Hamas are savages?

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Just now, Hank_Hill said:

So you’re making a bigoted deduction based off audio from a $5 karaoke mic from, like, Randalls. Got it. Truly an unserious person. 

 

It's not bigoted.  Just a guess.  Maybe they aren't trans who knows.  Do you think they aren't trans?  One of the biggest surprises of this protest season has been the wide spread almost ubiquitous trans support for Palestine.  It's not exactly a reach.  

 

 

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1 minute ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

It's not bigoted.  Just a guess.  Maybe they aren't trans who knows.  Do you think they aren't trans?  One of the biggest surprises of this protest season has been the wide spread almost ubiquitous trans support for Palestine.  It's not exactly a reach.  

 

 

So, yes. You’re just making shit up.

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1 minute ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

Before I make some comment like “thank God we aren’t Europe and we have people like Jay Hartzell and the UNC Pikes”, I need to ensure that Bolverk approves of your tweet. If the wrong person originated it, it renders the entire message moot. 

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13 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Oh look @immamac, Prong Horn has started his shift in the gulag again to crank out as much Russian propaganda as possible.  For real man, wtf are we doing?  

 

I'm going to keep it to a minimum per day while sticking to the parameters of the thread title.  

What's this "we" you mention?  You are not Surly Biff.  What happens on Surly is not a reflection of you you are as a person. 

 

 

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this whole thread and everyone that posts in it are kinda fucking sad tbh. 

I'm not saying the situation in Israel/Palestine isn't something we should talk about or care about, I'm saying a bunch of fucking shithead internet warriors nerdraging about what videos on the internet of other morons are doing is just a stupid fucking thread  at this point.

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41 minutes ago, immamac said:

this whole thread and everyone that posts in it are kinda fucking sad tbh. 

I'm not saying the situation in Israel/Palestine isn't something we should talk about or care about, I'm saying a bunch of fucking shithead internet warriors nerdraging about what videos on the internet of other morons are doing is just a stupid fucking thread  at this point.

I love prong horn's posts, you couldn't create a more perfect case study in social media brain rot in a lab. His contribution to neuroscience has to be priceless.

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

I love prong horn's posts, you couldn't create a more perfect case study in social media brain rot in a lab. His contribution to neuroscience has to be priceless.

It’s either this or he is purposely sowing disinformation among a large population (lurkers included) of politically inclined viewers, purposely to sow dissent and doubt. Hmm, what could go wrong?

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34 minutes ago, immamac said:

this whole thread and everyone that posts in it are kinda fucking sad tbh. 

I'm not saying the situation in Israel/Palestine isn't something we should talk about or care about, I'm saying a bunch of fucking shithead internet warriors nerdraging about what videos on the internet of other morons are doing is just a stupid fucking thread  at this point.

By all means, lock it up.

This thread was originally intended to provide a place for discussion of non-UT college protests because certain posters kept fucking that thread up by including shit not happening in Austin. Then, as the campus protests began to wind down around the country, off-campus shit started getting posted as posters felt the need to keep spamming the board with outrage porn from questionable sources. But now America stuff isn't enough anymore, and so shit about protests from across the pond are being included

Lotta misinfo is still getting posted. Take, for example, the ISIS/al-Qaeda flag tweet just now. That's not what those flags are, as the tweeter (a defender of Jan 6 rioters) probably knows. Or I can cite the tweet that wasn't even about protests, but rather it was a provocateur bitching about an arcane reference to the Talmud in an academic paper. Hell, pronghorn doesn't care if he's shitposting since he's admitted the purpose of his posts is to promote propaganda which, in my view, is trolling.

So, yeah, I've pushed back to provide a little more balance about which protesters to ridicule. Sue me.

If you feel this thread has outlived its usefulness,

Shut It Down 30 Rock GIF

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

It’s either this or he is purposely sowing disinformation among a large population (lurkers included) of politically inclined viewers, purposely to sow dissent and doubt. Hmm, what could go wrong?

The latter requires too many assumptions to be realistic in my opinion. I generally adhere to Occam's Razor with stuff like this. It's far more likely he's just an absolute moron with little to no media literacy like that dumbass uncle that posts similar shit all day on Facebook.

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3 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

The latter requires too many assumptions to be realistic in my opinion. I generally adhere to Occam's Razor with stuff like this. It's far more likely he's just an absolute moron with little to no media literacy like that dumbass uncle that posts similar shit all day on Facebook.

And yet the end result remains the same. 

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Lotta misinfo is still getting posted. Take, for example, the ISIS/al-Qaeda flag tweet just now. That's not what those flags are, as the tweeter (a defender of Jan 6 rioters) probably knows. Or I can cite the tweet that wasn't even about protests, but rather it was a provocateur bitching about an arcane reference to the Talmud in an academic paper. Hell, pronghorn doesn't care if he's shitposting since he's admitted the purpose of his posts is to promote propaganda which, in my view, is trolling.

 

Good job on the flag spotting.  It still begs the question has IS or al qaeda ever been known to fly the Shahada flag?  The answer is yes.  

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The misinformation from the Yale website should be easy to debunk.  The point was to show that the kids are getting their info from school resources along with all the extremist professors etc.  

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

It’s either this or he is purposely sowing disinformation among a large population (lurkers included) of politically inclined viewers, purposely to sow dissent and doubt. Hmm, what could go wrong?

Disinformation from raw video footage. LOL.

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4 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Disinformation from raw video footage. LOL.

Not speaking for one side or the other here, but are you suggesting twitter posts including video clips aren’t used for disinformation? Where have you been for the past decade?

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6 hours ago, immamac said:

honestly why do any of you even give a shit? I kinda feel like locking this thread. It's stupid. 

You may not be familiar with 3rd amendment to the constitution: the right to mercilessly ridicule absolutely retarded leftists on the internet. James madison compels citizens to do so. 

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6 hours ago, F250 said:

Pastor John Hagee bravely calling out POTUS for his war on the Jews.

 

Hagee is embarrassing.  He doesn’t understand the biblical hermeneutic on what modern day Israel is (it’s actually the Christian church).  Hagee is no more than a handler for Masaad.  Fat, sloppy guy.

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Just now, Hank_Hill said:

Not speaking for one side or the other here, but are you suggesting twitter posts including video clips aren’t used for disinformation? Where have you been for the past decade?

Speaking for myself, I value the unedited video on its own and not the commentary by the poster of the tweet. I acknowledge that my Twitter algorithm is from sources that I value with similar world views. That doesn’t mean the video itself is disinformation or not true. Do you have issues with clips from tweets posted on the Ukraine thread? 

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6 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

I love prong horn's posts, you couldn't create a more perfect case study in social media brain rot in a lab. His contribution to neuroscience has to be priceless.

 

6 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

It’s either this or he is purposely sowing disinformation among a large population (lurkers included) of politically inclined viewers, purposely to sow dissent and doubt. Hmm, what could go wrong?

 

Ah yes. What is Hugo Stiglitz up to these days?

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21 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Not speaking for one side or the other here, but are you suggesting twitter posts including video clips aren’t used for disinformation? Where have you been for the past decade?

So the argument has shifted from Prong sowing disinformation or his tweet sowing disinformation to some video clips in the past decade have sowed disinformation. Got it. 

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4 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

Good job on the flag spotting.  It still begs the question has IS or al qaeda ever been known to fly the Shahada flag?  The answer is yes.  

LINK

 

 

The misinformation from the Yale website should be easy to debunk.  The point was to show that the kids are getting their info from school resources along with all the extremist professors etc.  

 

 

 

FLAG

Some people who fly the Texas flag are separatists; therefore, all people who fly the Texas flag should treated with suspicion as potentially dangerous separatists.

Some people who fly the American flag are Christian nationalists; therefore, all people who fly the American flag should be treated with suspicion as potentially dangerous Christian nationalists.

Some people who attacked the capitol in DC flew the Christian flag; therefore, all people who fly the Christian flag should be treated with suspicion as potentially dangerous insurrectionists.

Purposefully discrediting a group by misrepresenting their affiliation with another is misinformation.

 

TALMUD

The Jerusalem Talmud is also known as the Palestinian Talmud. It was not written in Jerusalem but instead in Galilee, which was part of the Byzantine province Palaestina Secunda. No Jews were allowed to live in Jerusalem at the time, so Jerusalem Talmud would be a bit of a misnomer from a geographical perspective. The geographical descriptor is made to distinguish it from the Babylonian Talmud.

You and the tweet's author are implying the usage of the term Palestinian Talmud is politically extremist and somehow tied to the current situation when it is not. That's misinformation.

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7 hours ago, bolverk said:

By all means, lock it up.

This thread was originally intended to provide a place for discussion of non-UT college protests because certain posters kept fucking that thread up by including shit not happening in Austin. Then, as the campus protests began to wind down around the country, off-campus shit started getting posted as posters felt the need to keep spamming the board with outrage porn from questionable sources. But now America stuff isn't enough anymore, and so shit about protests from across the pond are being included

Lotta misinfo is still getting posted. Take, for example, the ISIS/al-Qaeda flag tweet just now. That's not what those flags are, as the tweeter (a defender of Jan 6 rioters) probably knows. Or I can cite the tweet that wasn't even about protests, but rather it was a provocateur bitching about an arcane reference to the Talmud in an academic paper. Hell, pronghorn doesn't care if he's shitposting since he's admitted the purpose of his posts is to promote propaganda which, in my view, is trolling.

So, yeah, I've pushed back to provide a little more balance about which protesters to ridicule. Sue me.

If you feel this thread has outlived its usefulness,

Shut It Down 30 Rock GIF

 

 

 

The issue isn’t dissenting opinions it’s that there is no substance at all behind any of this. It’s all just look at me attention seekers. 

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

The issue isn’t dissenting opinions it’s that there is no substance at all behind any of this. It’s all just look at me attention seekers. 

Isn’t that true for most threads here :)

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11 hours ago, immamac said:

this whole thread and everyone that posts in it are kinda fucking sad tbh. 

I'm not saying the situation in Israel/Palestine isn't something we should talk about or care about, I'm saying a bunch of fucking shithead internet warriors nerdraging about what videos on the internet of other morons are doing is just a stupid fucking thread  at this point.

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4 hours ago, Sealtm6 said:

Hagee is embarrassing.  He doesn’t understand the biblical hermeneutic on what modern day Israel is (it’s actually the Christian church).  Hagee is no more than a handler for Masaad.  Fat, sloppy guy.

I watched that whole video. What was his point other than directing anyone he influenced to vote for Trump?  It was meandering nonsense. It would’ve been a sickening video if it weren’t so pathetic. 

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