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Transfer Cycle 2025-2026 - Pining For IOLs Who Can Fog A Mirror

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4 minutes ago, TejasPedro said:

This guys interests have been PIQUED

Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.

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43 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I look at someone like Wisner asking for an insane amount from Texas and then taking only 60% of it to go play at FSU instead of Texas.

Throwing away relationships and good will and fans who loved you because you got greedy and then you went on the market and nobody wanted to pay you what you wanted.

And now basically Longhorn fans think he's an asshole and hate him.

Management of client expectation is such a huge part of negotiation. It seems like the lionheart guys had some good player relationships, but it's execeedingly rare for a 24 year old to know how to manage anything of the sort. They may have the brains and/or relationship, but the experience is lacking. The can't manage expectation because they have no clue of the outcome. If those guys keep repping players (don't get blackballed) they need the real Jackie Chiles on their staff.

19 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Stock options in the team. Texas can be publically traded. Issue stock we can have a day at the BOD. Let’s make it so. Dividends can be donated if we ant

Stock option in an entity taking in brand revenue

3 minutes ago, Sgt. Slaughter said:

Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.

Everything about that post was wrong. Shawarma is near-eastern.

13 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

He made that comment 3 years ago.

I don't know if you've noticed but college football has changed just a tad since then.

Has he ever walked it back? The closest thing I've seen was Maalik Murphy being allowed to tag along for the CFP ride and Muschamp now being permitted to grovel for Bo Barnes

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

Has he ever walked it back? The closest thing I've seen was Maalik Murphy being allowed to tag along for the CFP ride and Muschamp now being permitted to grovel for Bo Barnes

Does it matter if he publicly did or not? It's not a law, there's nothing binding him to it. And if he changed his mind, its not like he'd hold a press conference for it.

12 minutes ago, WBT said:

Is it? You've seen the numbers on how many players are in the portal right? Another way to think of it...there aren't any more roster spots for 2026 than there were for 2025. There aren't 10 more P4 teams starting play next year.

Rosters increase from 85 to 105 in 2026 is my understanding

27 minutes ago, Lurch said:

Perhaps a solution for reducing volatility may be something like stock options tacked on to a pay agreement. They'd have real value if you stay (vest) for multiple years giving the original team a leg up on anyone looking to poach from them. If you leave early, the stock doesn't change hands and thus doesn't cost the school/collective a dime. If you stay and they vest, the school got some value from the stability it created. And we can still fire them if they suck. This isn't going to close the gap when the offers a vastly apart, but if offers are in the same ballpark the original school has some leverage.

That just sounds like pay-for-play with extra steps.

16 minutes ago, deech said:

Which is why I lost my shit on how we had a lineman come to visit and then realized he wasn't to our liking measurement wise. I get that programs and kids can lie. I also believe if you do your homework well enough, you can figure shit like that out. If the premium is on scouting/evaluation, we are failing as a high resource school. Heavily. Not just on whether a player wants to leave/jump in the portal - but on basics like size. Then developing our recruiting strategy in a year where we have Manning and are "going all in" and to do so at a position of need on a player that we are concerned doesn't meet the measurables. It still blows my mind.

I am sure when we circle back to the next wave and overpay for whoever is still on the board it will be a significant improvement over our interior OL play the first six games. But that is not a high benchmark obviously.

I'm not entirely on board with your sentiment, but I agree about one thing - if the difference between the guy's listed height / weight and actual height / weight is so small that you can't see it for yourself on film, does it really matter? If he says he's 6'5" and it turns out he's 6'3", but otherwise he's a player, who gives a shit?

1 minute ago, Park Gothic said:

That just sounds like pay-for-play with extra steps.

I'm not entirely on board with your sentiment, but I agree about one thing - if the difference between the guy's listed height / weight and actual height / weight is so small that you can't see it for yourself on film, does it really matter? If he says he's 6'5" and it turns out he's 6'3", but otherwise he's a player, who gives a shit?

Given that the aforementioned player fell all the way down to West Virginia... apparently many teams gave a shit?

14 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

What if we offered you some type of equity sharing/stock program? Would that do anything for you?

I don't know, I guess. Listen, I'm gonna go. Its been really nice talking to both of you guys

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1 minute ago, Park Gothic said:

That just sounds like pay-for-play with extra steps.

I'm not entirely on board with your sentiment, but I agree about one thing - if the difference between the guy's listed height / weight and actual height / weight is so small that you can't see it for yourself on film, does it really matter? If he says he's 6'5" and it turns out he's 6'3", but otherwise he's a player, who gives a shit?

Apparently the Wyoming guy turned out to measure 5'11", 265 pounds. They discovered he was suiting up and playing while wearing a fat suit to make him look more formidable.

20 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Rumor is that Cam Coleman got food poisoning from his steak in Lubbock last night

And quickly left town before dessert.

16 minutes ago, IDIOTsavant said:

I think the only way this is going to work long term is if they only allow one transfer that allows you to play immediately. The players are free to move as often as they want, but they have to sit out a year for every subsequent transfer.

I think the feeling is that such rules would be struck down by a judge as anticompetitive. Only the pro sports enjoy that luxury.

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1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

Apparently the Wyoming guy turned out to measure 5'11", 265 pounds. They discovered he was suiting up and playing while wearing a fat suit to make him look more formidable.

Damn, half of Surly could play at Wyoming.

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

We're not even in their conference anymore, and we're still their boogeyman. Nevermind Texas didn't invent the fucking portal, and plenty of other folks pay for NIL. Losers.

For what it's worth, the staff had already labeled Ffrench as an evaluation bust, and a bad investment. This is likely them happily cutting bait. No one should cry over this one.

Good information, thanks.

2 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Given that the aforementioned player fell all the way down to West Virginia... apparently many teams gave a shit?

He was always meant to just be a depth piece. A depth piece ending up at West Virginia sounds about right.

1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

Apparently the Wyoming guy turned out to measure 5'11", 265 pounds. They discovered he was suiting up and playing while wearing a fat suit to make him look more formidable.

I thought this was a serious post halfway through.

Pretty clear that Tech and potentially another school is still heavy in the Coleman sweepstakes.

Looch has made a gloryhole deal with the sand aggys to troll Texas fans online

Just now, Teryor said:

Never made it to Austin

We don't need any more safeties.

I'd feel a lot better about Coleman if it was someone other than our staff that was confident in his destination.

I guess I am in the minority that was hopeful that we got massively outbid on Coleman so we could sign the Vandy WR instead and then take the difference between our Coleman offer and what we paid the Vandy WR and overspend on Offensive line and LB.

1 minute ago, goathumper said:

Pretty clear that Tech and potentially another school is still heavy in the Coleman sweepstakes.

Looch has made a gloryhole deal with the sand aggys to troll Texas fans online

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Just now, Kwix said:

I'd feel a lot better about Coleman if it was someone other than our staff that was confident in his destination.

Truth! In fairness, it is not our $9.95'ers reporting it though. Troll job by Luicci as he commits to Tech seems the most likely option IMHO.

58 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

Reads like he’s conceding that the Aggies won’t get him and expects Tech so he’s trying to frame it as specifically an L for us.

Texas definitely thinks Coleman is coming. The Miami DL and Cal LB too. Not that that means anything.

Spitballing here, but do you think we're at the point that taking out Help Wanted ads in school newspapers seeking anyone with OL experience might help? Offering competitive rates and a nice benefit package?

What I am getting out of all this portal shit is this:

Sark is a control freak
We’re not good at identifying HS talent
We’re horrible at managing the talent we do have

About right?

3 minutes ago, deech said:

I guess I am in the minority that was hopeful that we got massively outbid on Coleman so we could sign the Vandy WR instead and then take the difference between our Coleman offer and what we paid the Vandy WR and overspend on Offensive line and LB.

If you'd read the thread you'd know not to get your hopes up on the Vandy WR since he's using us for a bigger offer from other schools.

Just now, Handcruser said:

What I am getting out of all this portal shit is this:

Sark is a control freak
We’re not good at identifying HS talent
We’re horrible at managing the talent we do have

About right?

Yeah. None of our current star players came from HS. You know everyone has busts, right?

10 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I'm not entirely on board with your sentiment, but I agree about one thing - if the difference between the guy's listed height / weight and actual height / weight is so small that you can't see it for yourself on film, does it really matter? If he says he's 6'5" and it turns out he's 6'3", but otherwise he's a player, who gives a shit?

I don't disagree. It's not my height/weight restrictions. They are Floods.

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

If you'd read the thread you'd know not to get your hopes up on the Vandy WR since he's using us for a bigger offer from other schools.

Every player that lists Texas as an option they are considering or contemplating to visit is using us for a bigger offer from other schools. Until the staff convinces them to commit here.

13 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

Where are you seeing we lost Kobe Black? I don't see any articles saying he's gone

I went back and searched where I got that from because I was pretty sure but several people have since said that he's not in the portal.

It was a drive-by post on page 151, quoting Anwar. https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/topic/42982-transfer-cycle-2025-2026-eloi-eloi-lama-sabachthani/#findComment-7635715

1 hour ago, UncleSonny said:

Reads like he’s conceding that the Aggies won’t get him and expects Tech so he’s trying to frame it as specifically an L for us.

Trolling. Feels like they're playing up a massive aggy win

2 hours ago, Hookem2147 said:

IT said Zina agreed to a deal a few weeks ago then the agent recently came back asking for 4x the amount and Texas told them to kick rocks.

What exactly does a “deal” mean when one party can come back after two weeks and ask to quadruple it or he walks?

42 minutes ago, Lurch said:

Perhaps a solution for reducing volatility may be something like stock options tacked on to a pay agreement. They'd have real value if you stay (vest) for multiple years giving the original team a leg up on anyone looking to poach from them. If you leave early, the stock doesn't change hands and thus doesn't cost the school/collective a dime. If you stay and they vest, the school got some value from the stability it created. And we can still fire them if they suck. This isn't going to close the gap when the offers a vastly apart, but if offers are in the same ballpark the original school has some leverage.

You're trying to formulate a deferred comp structure, but there's no reason to muck up the calculus here with options. Just sign a multi year deal with some of it guaranteed and rest paid out when they cross a threshold just like any coaching contract. Any team wanting to poach them will have to pay a buyout.

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

FOR FUCK'S SAKE READ THE FUCKING THREAD YOU NON-READING FUCK. NOD YOUR HEAD IF I'VE ACCUSED YOU OF BEING A NON-READING FUCK AT LEAST A DOZEN TIMES IN YOUR LIFE. YOU'D BETTER BE NODDING!

He signed a deal before the bowl game and the came back and asked for 4x...probably because Tech tampered.

tldr

I think there could be another shift in recruiting if there are no changes to the rules. Neither the bluebloods nor the poor are going to want to waste money on the majority of high school football recruits. I can see freshman football programs where kids are offered scholarships but aren’t paid. Then as those guys develop they get recruited again and paid for their services via a multi-year contract. I think I would watch those freshman games and could possibly enjoy them more than watching “varsity”.

2 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Trolling. Feels like they're playing up a massive aggy win

Nah it’s Tech and he’s doing this to pretend to be dismissive about it and potentially wrap up some Texas fans in the drama.

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1 minute ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Trolling. Feels like they're playing up a massive aggy win

Harris is running around acting giddy and talking shit to people about closing Coleman. That's where Brauninger and Liucci are drawing the buzz. Ketchum probably heard about it and passed it along, given that he and Liucci trade notes.

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23 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Has he ever walked it back? The closest thing I've seen was Maalik Murphy being allowed to tag along for the CFP ride and Muschamp now being permitted to grovel for Bo Barnes

I know this thread is moving fast, but come on

That sounds like Ketch post Ozempic

16 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Apparently the Wyoming guy turned out to measure 5'11", 265 pounds. They discovered he was suiting up and playing while wearing a fat suit to make him look more formidable.

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

I think there could be another shift in recruiting if there are no changes to the rules. Neither the bluebloods nor the poor are going to want to waste money on the majority of high school football recruits. I can see freshman football programs where kids are offered scholarships but aren’t paid. Then as those guys develop they get recruited again and paid for their services via a multi-year contract. I think I would watch those freshman games and could possibly enjoy them more than watching “varsity”.

Basketball already felt that shift that we're looking at now

16 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Given that the aforementioned player fell all the way down to West Virginia... apparently many teams gave a shit?

If he's going there to start then I don't see the problem. We need OL, even if it's just depth.

15 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Apparently the Wyoming guy turned out to measure 5'11", 265 pounds. They discovered he was suiting up and playing while wearing a fat suit to make him look more formidable.

That's peak male form.

3 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Trolling. Feels like they're playing up a massive aggy win

Fine dining establishment

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27 minutes ago, pacman said:

The days of celebrating #1 recruiting classes are over, seemingly for good reason.

Was thinking the same thing. The model is the IU and Tech way. Load up every year with 20+ RS JR and RS SR who are older,more mature and seasoned. IU starts 3 Sophomores and last i checked the whole rest of the starters are 3 and 4 year transfers. Schools will be hard pressed to hold on to any Freshman who play sparingly in back of an upperclassmen, they are now bolting 1-2X looking for a paycheck, hard to blame them. CFB is now firmly in the free agent free for all every year mode. History, blue blood, tradition etc.. have gone the way of the dohdoh bird, unfortunately. Every school will be re-recruiting/paying every year as attrition is the new name of the game.

Any idea what Leavitt is going to do? Is he going to tell Kiffin to get fucked for recruiting over him? Would really love to see LSU roll with Van Buren again next season.

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

You were hoping that because you're consistently one of the dumbest, least informed posters on this thread. You should thank god every day that Spider2yBanana exists. And if memory serves, prone to the occasional racist remark.

Ffrench was an evaluation bust, he cost a lot of money, his transfer is perfectly fucking fine. As has been said, but reading isn't your strong suit.

Why, I'm not sure what at all you mean, sir.

No need to thank me, the acknowledgment is fine.

1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

Harris is running around acting giddy and talking shit to people about closing Coleman. That's where Brauninger and Liucci are drawing the buzz. Ketchum probably heard about it and passed it along, given that he and Liucci trade notes.

This sounds even more made up than the original tweet.

Just now, Park Gothic said:

If he's going there to start then I don't see the problem. We need OL, even if it's just depth.

That's peak male form.

Fine dining establishment

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Ima pay a couple mil for a big ol house directly facing a shitty steakhouse parking lot

7 minutes ago, tokamak said:

I went back and searched where I got that from because I was pretty sure but several people have since said that he's not in the portal.

It was a drive-by post on page 151, quoting Anwar. https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/topic/42982-transfer-cycle-2025-2026-eloi-eloi-lama-sabachthani/#findComment-7635715

You're good. I was like "Nooooooo!!! We've already lost too much!"

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