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Just now, chainsaw said:

If I'm wrong, I'd be thrilled. But I try to pay attention to these things and even I haven't come across any evidence that Buttigieg supports medicare for all, or any other programs that aren't means-tested beyond all recognition. The last I'd heard from him he was flirting with COVID shutdown opposition and suggesting that Joe Biden opened the border. That's weak Newsom shit.

I'd recommend not just listening to leftists in the media space. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Pete (ties to McKinsey, will be eaten alive by populists, not straight)

Is he a pretender because you don’t like him or something?  

 

30 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

AOC is the defacto leader of the party, and I don't think she will run in 2028.

What the fuck?  She can’t even win over the other committee Dems on oversight.  
 

You’re a purity test progressive over winning elections, I take it?

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

The Bernie left needs to grow up and realize they need to support the Democratic nominee no matter who it is.

 

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Not gonna happen. The party needs them more than they need the party. GOP figured this out quick. Dems, not so much.

so how's that working out for them lol

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44 minutes ago, mchookem said:

how's that working out for them

Dems never learn. Sure, keep doing the same things and see how that works out for the party.

 

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5 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

yup. the sooner dems figure out the game isn't to win over drumpf supporters, but to pull the people on the sidelines into the game. that's the winning strategy going forward. there's a liberal contingent (aka me) that will vote for whoever they throw up there as I am a Never-R voter. The way you outnumber the idiots on the other side is to bring in the remaining idiots that up until now haven't voted (or have thrown their votes away writing in Mickey Mouse or John Stewart, like my buddy who thinks he's way savvier than he is). the other side is lost and hopeless and should be treated as such

As much as I would like to see social issues get addressed, the goal for 2028 should be in having the best candidate that can appeal to as many sane people as possible. There is no telling who might emerge over the next 2 1/2 years, but hopefully not Newsome or some clown trying to appeal to voters you cannot reach because they are all in mentally on the cult of TFG.

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4 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

*ducks*

 

Give me any of the top 3 and I'll be a happy boy. But I don't want anything to do with the bottom 4. Those four have shown they would be willing to cozy up to MAGAts and that shit is just not going to fly. I mean, obviously I would vote for them over Vance or Trump, but I wouldn't be happy about it.

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Dems never learn. Sure, keep doing the same things and see how that works out for the party.
 

The smartest thing the Democratic Party could do in 2028 is ignore the opinions of anyone with a Bluesky account.
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Straight white male is only answer unless you want to risk losing more of our freedoms/democracy. Knowing the Dem party, that isn't going to happen. The irony of this isn't lost on me either. 

 

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33 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:


The smartest thing the Democratic Party could do in 2028 is ignore the opinions of anyone with a Bluesky account.

And also political consultants.

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Here's gonna be my disconnect with the people who just want a "straight white male" to be the candidate. Yes, maybe it's an easier way to win the Presidency back and get Trump out of office. Maybe. But then what? The MAGA disease has already spread to every organ at this point in our country. A boring, safe, paint by numbers Presidency is not the cure. We tried that with Biden, it didn't work. We are going to need a reinvigorated Presidential administration that is extremely proactive with big and bold policies that they can push through ASAP.  

Basically, go big or go home.

 

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14 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I like AOC. But when did this happen? 

 

It didn’t. That’s all horseshit. 
 

 

11 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:


The smartest thing the Democratic Party could do in 2028 is ignore the opinions of anyone with a Bluesky account.

This

10 hours ago, David Dennison said:

And also political consultants.

Yep

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9 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

A boring, safe, paint by numbers Presidency

Not all straight, white (and, I'll add, Bible-believing) men have to be boring or safe. Make it class-based and don't pander to any particular racial demographic and you'll re-gain the youths.

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22 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Not all straight, white (and, I'll add, Bible-believing) men have to be boring or safe. Make it class-based and don't pander to any particular racial demographic and you'll re-gain the youths.

I agree. My point is good ideas and policies matter more than checking the identity boxes. 

If there is a straight white male that can be a top candidate based on substance, I'm listening and willing to support. 

 

 

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19 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

White guy under 55 who is capable of holding a conversation with stupid people.  Aka a unicorn in Democratic circles.

 

This.  Has to be straight and not from California, Illinois or New York. 

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Mayor Pete would do well in a general election.  Problem is he can’t get through the primary.  The leftists loathe him.  McKinsey and all that.

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It would be smart for Pete to eventually do a long interview with a popular lefty podcaster like Hasan or Sam Seder. 

Speak to the left directly instead of letting their media people push their negative spin on his narratives and ideas. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It would be smart for Pete to eventually do a long interview with a popular lefty podcaster like Hasan or Sam Seder. 

Speak to the left directly instead of letting their media people push their negative spin on his narratives and ideas. 

 

I would expect that to happen at least a few times in the next couple years, he seems to me to have been hitting the podcast world pretty hard in recent weeks.  I suppose he has to at this moment to keep his name circulating.

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I agree. My point is good ideas and policies matter more than checking the identity boxes. 
If there is a straight white male that can be a top candidate based on substance, I'm listening and willing to support. 
 
 

The straight white male candidate needs to be the Trojan horse for the policies.

They aren’t getting past the gate otherwise.
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2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I agree. My point is good ideas and policies matter more than checking the identity boxes. 

If there is a straight white male that can be a top candidate based on substance, I'm listening and willing to support. 

 

 

Good ideas and policies seem to be more palatable when coming from straight white men. Women and non dominants, not so much.

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Good ideas and policies seem to be more palatable when coming from straight white men. Women and non dominants, not so much.

This just be true.
Shit; you know who won’t vote for a woman candidate at a high enough rate? Women. Women be some sexist bitches.
FFS, a fake “alpha male” white dude would get more Hispanic votes than Danny Trejo would.
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2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Mayor Pete would do well in a general election.  Problem is he can’t get through the primary.  The leftists loathe him.  McKinsey and all that.

I think if the party establishment threw its support behind him he would win a rigged primary. There's a reason everyone coordinated their drop-outs and endorsed Biden in 2020 before Super Tuesday. If they'd wanted it to be Pete, it would've been Pete. But because the DNC is a gerontocracy it wasn't "his turn" and that's how we got stuck with Biden in 2024. The establishment loves that Pete has been vetted by the consultant class and is comfortable among donors and coastal elites. They love that he can say he's done "active duty" but also that he has an ivy league education. He was placed on Biden's cabinet precisely because the DNC wanted to fast-track him for future presidential races, when it will be "his turn."

Bottom line? Pete can win a primary even without the support of leftist Democrats, so long as he's anointed by the party bigwigs behind the scenes who will shamelessly put their thumbs on scales.

Pete's problem is that all of the party's power evaporates in a general election, and the leftists who could help you win a general election (many of whom aren't Democrats) are gonna stay home because based on their lived experiences (nothing good from Bush, nothing good from Obama, nothing good from Trump I, nothing good from Biden, nothing good from Trump II) they perceive no difference between the party's anointed nominee (whose platform will be "Sissy Sause" Fascism with a side of Civility™ and Competency™) and JD Vance ("Original Sause" Fascism).

The party actually believes that a $20M focus group will give them the answer to reclaiming young men and Latinos. I don't know who sold them on that pipe dream, but it really captures how thin their playbook is. It's like being stuck in a 20-foot hole you dug and deciding the cause of the problem is that you used the wrong type of shovel--the kind of thinking only a self-interested shovel company would endorse.

The things about Pete that you, a college graduate with assets and a career, admire so much about him (he's articulate, thoughtful, accomplished, demonstrably competent) are the same things that are disqualifying for enough people in enough swing states that the only way to overcome that disadvantage is by making a convincing case that he's not just another neoliberal democrat willing to say whatever he thinks the people want to hear. I don't think Pete can make that case convincingly to leftists, even if he goes on their podcasts.

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2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Problem is he can’t get through the primary.

 

9 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I don't think Pete can make that case convincingly to leftists, even if he goes on their podcasts.

I guess if you go far enough to the right or the left you truly do come out the other side…

 

12 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

The party actually believes that a $20M focus group will give them the answer to reclaiming young men and Latinos.

The party?  You mean a few consultants started asking for money and Politico decided to make an article about it?  

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19 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

The things about Pete that you, a college graduate with assets and a career, admire so much about him (he's articulate, thoughtful, accomplished, demonstrably competent) are the same things that are disqualifying for enough people in enough swing states that the only way to overcome that disadvantage is by making a convincing case that he's not just another neoliberal democrat willing to say whatever he thinks the people want to hear

Good point.  My rationale in thinking he can do well is definitely rooted in the basis that he can actually clearly communicate.  I will admit I may overestimate the value of that.  It would be incredibly nice to have a contest between adequate public speakers.

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28 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I think if the party establishment threw its support behind him he would win a rigged primary. There's a reason everyone coordinated their drop-outs and endorsed Biden in 2020 before Super Tuesday. If they'd wanted it to be Pete, it would've been Pete. But because the DNC is a gerontocracy it wasn't "his turn" and that's how we got stuck with Biden in 2024. The establishment loves that Pete has been vetted by the consultant class and is comfortable among donors and coastal elites. They love that he can say he's done "active duty" but also that he has an ivy league education. He was placed on Biden's cabinet precisely because the DNC wanted to fast-track him for future presidential races, when it will be "his turn."

Bottom line? Pete can win a primary even without the support of leftist Democrats, so long as he's anointed by the party bigwigs behind the scenes who will shamelessly put their thumbs on scales.

Pete's problem is that all of the party's power evaporates in a general election, and the leftists who could help you win a general election (many of whom aren't Democrats) are gonna stay home because based on their lived experiences (nothing good from Bush, nothing good from Obama, nothing good from Trump I, nothing good from Biden, nothing good from Trump II) they perceive no difference between the party's anointed nominee (whose platform will be "Sissy Sause" Fascism with a side of Civility™ and Competency™) and JD Vance ("Original Sause" Fascism).

The party actually believes that a $20M focus group will give them the answer to reclaiming young men and Latinos. I don't know who sold them on that pipe dream, but it really captures how thin their playbook is. It's like being stuck in a 20-foot hole you dug and deciding the cause of the problem is that you used the wrong type of shovel--the kind of thinking only a self-interested shovel company would endorse.

The things about Pete that you, a college graduate with assets and a career, admire so much about him (he's articulate, thoughtful, accomplished, demonstrably competent) are the same things that are disqualifying for enough people in enough swing states that the only way to overcome that disadvantage is by making a convincing case that he's not just another neoliberal democrat willing to say whatever he thinks the people want to hear. I don't think Pete can make that case convincingly to leftists, even if he goes on their podcasts.

This is leftist brain rot. 

Here's what you and most on the left miss about Pete. He's generally agreeable with the policy ideas that come from the left. The difference is he wants to use pragmatism instead of the antagonistic revolution to sell it to the American people. He wants to sell these policies as practical and a benefit to everyone. 

You should read this long Politico article about Pete as Transportation Secretary. It's not a puff piece, there is plenty of criticism as he was growing into the job those first couple of years. But he listened to the concerns from the left and antitrust advocates, and made significant changes that were celebrated even by his biggest detractors. 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/11/03/pete-buttigieg-tough-on-airlines-00181436

Psst, Pete is an ally for the left.  He wants to get to the same place, he just believes in a different rhetoric and strategy to get there. 

 

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Also want to add that I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary. I was a Buttigieg supporter in 2020, but voted for Bernie in the primary again because Pete dropped out of the race before Texas election. 

I would never support Pete if I believed he was a neoliberal shill. Y'all have just completely misread him because leftist media and politicians misread him. 

 

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AOC would struggle to win a state-wide election in NY.  She's not going to win the Presidency.  That's just wishcasting nonsense. 

None of this has to do with who she really is, but what the wide-spread perception is.  She is the the left-wing radical poster child. Swing voters aren't watching the debates.  They aren't doing research.  Her negatives are well established and they aren't going anywhere. 

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3 minutes ago, Tuco said:

AOC would struggle to win a state-wide election in NY.  She's not going to win the Presidency.  That's just wishcasting nonsense. 

None of this has to do with who she really is, but what the wide-spread perception is.  She is the the left-wing radical poster child. Swing voters aren't watching the debates.  They aren't doing research.  Her negatives are well established and they aren't going anywhere. 

This. I really like her, but she is seen by a ton of the country as one of the furthest left people in the party and would get boat-raced by pretty much any R. 

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3 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Mayor Pete would do well in a general election.  Problem is he can’t get through the primary.  The leftists loathe him.  McKinsey and all that.

The leftists are so powerful and important in the Democratic Party! Look at these radical leftists!

- Bill Clinton

- Al Gore

- John Kerry

- Barack Obama

- Hillary Clinton

- Joe Biden

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2 hours ago, Satchel said:

Good ideas and policies seem to be more palatable when coming from straight white men. Women and non dominants, not so much.

Nobody gives a fuck about policies other than businesses (in specific ways) and college educated Democratic voters (in vague ways). 

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12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The leftists are so powerful and important in the Democratic Party! Look at these radical leftists!

- Bill Clinton

- Al Gore

- John Kerry

- Barack Obama

- Hillary Clinton

- Joe Biden

I’m telling you how it went in 2020.  Of course thats an eternity ago now.

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Nobody gives a fuck about policies other than businesses (in specific ways) and college educated Democratic voters (in vague ways). 

THISTHISTHIS.
Policies and ideas are for losers who like losing. Talking about appealing to leftists with leftist policies…fuck that. It’s about splash, and image, and noise. Not anything else.
The most important demo is stupid people. Advertise more on “OW! MY BALLS!” Don’t focus group on macro-economic theories. They don’t fucking matter - not for elections, at least.
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53 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Nobody gives a fuck about policies other than businesses (in specific ways) and college educated Democratic voters (in vague ways). 

Yeah, nobody gives a fuck about dumb shit like healthcare.

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51 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Yeah, nobody gives a fuck about dumb shit like healthcare.

They don’t! Most of the people on Obamacare don’t make a connection between their own health insurance and government policy. 

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2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The leftists are so powerful and important in the Democratic Party! Look at these radical leftists!

- Bill Clinton

- Al Gore

- John Kerry

- Barack Obama

- Hillary Clinton

- Joe Biden

Everyone on that list either campaigned as radical leftists courting the youth vote (Obama) or are fucking losers who lost spectacularly or barely eked out victories despite some monumental benefit such as Ross Perot and a global pandemic.

It's a shame Obama didn't follow through on his bold vision because he squandered so much of the party's credibility in the process.

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

Everyone on that list either campaigned as radical leftists courting the youth vote (Obama) or are fucking losers who lost spectacularly or barely eked out victories despite some monumental benefit such as Ross Perot and a global pandemic.

 

This might be your least correct take on this thread, which is really saying something. 

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

This might be your least correct take on this thread, which is really saying something. 

You're right dude. Keep doing the same thing, see how that works out for the Dems.

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

We just elected Donald Trump. Again. I don’t really know what people care about anymore.

Most people don't pay a lick of attention to politics.

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

You're right dude. Keep doing the same thing, see how that works out for the Dems.

I haven’t thought of myself as a democrat since 2016, but I do intend to keep on making money and looking good. 

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Most people don't pay a lick of attention to politics.

As I understand it, the 2024 election broke down like this: 

People who follow politics through news sources: Harris won big.

People who follow politics through social media, like facebook: Harris won by a small amount.

People who don't follow politics at all: Trump won big. Like by something stupid like 30%. 

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7 minutes ago, Red Five said:

As I understand it, the 2024 election broke down like this: 

People who follow politics through news sources: Harris won big.

People who follow politics through social media, like facebook: Harris won by a small amount.

People who don't follow politics at all: Trump won big. Like by something stupid like 30%. 

Yep. I don’t understand why they even bother to vote, but they clearly did. I really think it’s just a weird cultural game to them to be contrarian and feel like part of a team. 

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9 minutes ago, Red Five said:

People who don't follow politics at all: Trump won big. Like by something stupid like 30%. 

Exactly. Those are the people who decide the fate of nations. And they don’t ask for much, just to be interesting and charismatic. 

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16 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yep. I don’t understand why they even bother to vote, but they clearly did. I really think it’s just a weird cultural game to them to be contrarian and feel like part of a team. 

Or they were just taking inflation out on the party in power.

 

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