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14 hours ago, Scholz said:

Blowu cheating and pulling bush league, low character shit. Shocker. Film at 11.  🙄

That was an illegal play by OU….its in the rule book.  SEC has come out and said as such.

Heard’m talking about it on “Full Ride” this morning.  Yea, Auburn shoulda caught, but so should have the refs.   In this case, Auburn got screwed.  It was intentional by Venables.

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27 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

That was an illegal play by OU….its in the rule book.  SEC has come out and said as such.

Heard’m talking about it on “Full Ride” this morning.  Yea, Auburn shoulda caught, but so should have the refs.   In this case, Auburn got screwed.  It was intentional by Venables.

Just for arguments sake, the OU play by play guy is saying the OU coaches asked the refs before the game if the play was illegal and they were told it was not.  Likely we will never know if this is the truth or not.

So, lets say some other team not OU, because OU, saw a tendency from Auburn and wanted to exploit it.  They came up with a play (funnily the slot receiver was talking trash to the DB to distract him)  and asked the refs about it before the game and were told is was not a penalty.  Is that cheating?  My initial reaction was it was a bush league play by OU that certainly skirted the rules.  However, if they did address it before the game with the refs then I think it is ok.  

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On 9/21/2025 at 6:40 AM, Longboard Horn said:

Sooners struggled against Auburn's meh defense. If things don't improve our defense is gonna have a field day with them.

Been thinking the same...they can't seem to run the ball and the only real worry is Mateer running around to make a play ala the Ewok.

On 9/21/2025 at 8:32 AM, scramblyn said:

Their DL will fuck our OL up tho.

I do think that's where the game will be won or loss(as is most always the case).

Can our DL get to Mateer and be sound enough not to let the dude run around to wait for a guy to get open.

And can our OL handle a very good DL.

18 hours ago, Pancho said:

Cover 3 podcast bros are eating up ou, saying they have a top 3 defense in the country and suggesting possible sec cg.

 

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Yep heard that too. Didn't even mention how fortunate they were to be gifted 7-14 points, and have 7 taken off the board for Auburn.  Any one of those don't occur and they probably lose.

12 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

Auburn had guys running open deep all game

Yep and TONS of PI not called either.  if Arch is over the "yips" and can hit open guys, they'll have some success.

48 minutes ago, BurgleBro said:

Gotta avoid Twitter for 2 weeks now.  Every trailer meth head mouth breathing fuck head is unga bunga chest pounding their OU team and it's annoying af.

 

Please baby Jesus let us b2b those bitches

Between them and Aggie from the past week, it's going to be awful.

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19 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

Just for arguments sake, the OU play by play guy is saying the OU coaches asked the refs before the game if the play was illegal and they were told it was not.  Likely we will never know if this is the truth or not.

So, lets say some other team not OU, because OU, saw a tendency from Auburn and wanted to exploit it.  They came up with a play (funnily the slot receiver was talking trash to the DB to distract him)  and asked the refs about it before the game and were told is was not a penalty.  Is that cheating?  My initial reaction was it was a bush league play by OU that certainly skirted the rules.  However, if they did address it before the game with the refs then I think it is ok.  

If the refs said that, they were wrong. It is directly addressed in the rule book. And the SEC has confirmed it should have been penalty. 

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33 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

Just for arguments sake, the OU play by play guy is saying the OU coaches asked the refs before the game if the play was illegal and they were told it was not.  Likely we will never know if this is the truth or not.

 

“Hideout” plays were a point of emphasis for SEC officials this past offseason. 
 
so, one of these apply:

1. OU described what they would do in a way that really didn’t communicate to the SEC officials. 
2. OU is lying about coordinating with the officials. 
3. Those officials slept through their offseason training. 

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9 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

If the refs said that, they were wrong. It is directly addressed in the rule book. And the SEC has confirmed it should have been penalty. 

I have no way of knowing if the pre-game conversation happened that way, but if so, then this is pretty clearly the conference putting the blame on the crew in a poorly managed game.  Semi-related, the side judge that made the no-catch call on Sategna that got overturned was chopping it up with the cheerleaders while they were reviewing his decision.  Bold play to try to get laid while being evaluated on national TV and in front of that many people who hate you for five minutes.

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1 hour ago, BurgleBro said:

Gotta avoid Twitter for 2 weeks now.  Every trailer meth head mouth breathing fuck head is unga bunga chest pounding their OU team and it's annoying af.

 

Please baby Jesus let us b2b those bitches

Well, you should avoid twitter anyway, just in general.

But I absolutely love the attention they're getting.  They can take the rat poison while Texas hears for the 5th week in a row how terrible and undeserving they are.

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20 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

If the refs said that, they were wrong. It is directly addressed in the rule book. And the SEC has confirmed it should have been penalty. 

Well, I think you missed the point.

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1 minute ago, sheeeit said:

Well, I think you missed the point.

What was your point? I thought you concluded that if they addressed it with the officials, it was ok. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, statsman said:

“Hideout” plays were a point of emphasis for SEC officials this past offseason. 
 
so, one of these apply:

1. OU described what they would do in a way that really didn’t communicate to the SEC officials. 
2. OU is lying about coordinating with the officials. 
3. Those officials slept through their offseason training. 

Possibly.  1) If they communicated it differently to the same refs that were on the field then the refs would have called it if they did something different.  2) Very possible. 3) Unlikely.  But it is obviously a subjective call.  They didn't huddle.  The player did not fake any type of injury.  Walking versus jogging to your spot is not a penalty.  I actually think the OU player talking trash to the DB is what caused Auburn to miss it.  

But, again, the question was not the technical intent of the rule.  The question was that if a team clears a play beforehand with the refs is it cheating or even bush league if they then run it in the game?  I guess I do not think so.  

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6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

What was your point? I thought you concluded that if they addressed it with the officials, it was ok. 

The question was do you think it is cheating or bush league by a team to run a play that they cleared with the refs?  If they had not cleared it beforehand it would almost certainly be bush league and possibly against the rules.  It certainly would be pushing the rules.

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2 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Texas?  That’s last years spread I'm pretty sure.  

Opened as Texas a -14.5 favorite , moved to -11.5, then -10.5 and now -4.5. Texas is still favored.  That 11.5 was from July. Looking forward to kicking the snot  out of the Sooners again. Wonder what the over under on how many quarters Mateer lasts running against out Linebackers and safeties?

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6 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

The question was do you think it is cheating or bush league by a team to run a play that they cleared with the refs?  If they had not cleared it beforehand it would almost certainly be bush league and possibly against the rules.  It certainly would be pushing the rules.

have those refs said that OU "cleared" it with them? 

Posted
2 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

have those refs said that OU "cleared" it with them? 

No.  And likely never will.  I have no idea if it is true or not.  Just a hypothetical.

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46 minutes ago, statsman said:

“Hideout” plays were a point of emphasis for SEC officials this past offseason. 
 
so, one of these apply:

1. OU described what they would do in a way that really didn’t communicate to the SEC officials. 
2. OU is lying about coordinating with the officials. 
3. Those officials slept through their offseason training. 

1 and 2 are a form of lying and 3 is likely too, so I chose OU lied, refs suck as my answer.

Posted
1 hour ago, sheeeit said:

Possibly.  1) If they communicated it differently to the same refs that were on the field then the refs would have called it if they did something different.  2) Very possible. 3) Unlikely.  But it is obviously a subjective call.  They didn't huddle.  The player did not fake any type of injury.  Walking versus jogging to your spot is not a penalty.  I actually think the OU player talking trash to the DB is what caused Auburn to miss it.  

But, again, the question was not the technical intent of the rule.  The question was that if a team clears a play beforehand with the refs is it cheating or even bush league if they then run it in the game?  I guess I do not think so.  

Yes it's still cheating and still dirty. The rulebook specifically states that it is every coach's responsibility to know the rules and coach their team with integrity. In fact it says gaining an advantage by circumvention or disregard for the rules brands a coach as unfit to be associated with football. 

That's in the rules governing the sport, so I'd say that answers your question. 

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9 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Yes it's still cheating and still dirty. The rulebook specifically states that it is every coach's responsibility to know the rules and coach their team with integrity. In fact it says gaining an advantage by circumvention or disregard for the rules brands a coach as unfit to be associated with football. 

That's in the rules governing the sport, so I'd say that answers your question. 

Probably just have to disagree.  There is no question that they hoped to fool Auburn.  But what is the definition of substitution?  After the play, there was no huddle.  No one ran on the field (yes I know they do not have to).  Guy just walked to his position.  He didn't wave his hand like he needed to come out.  Didn't limp towards the sideline.  Does the offense have to tell the defense to cover them?  Watch Texas or any game.  Often receivers walk to their position during no huddle.  The OU slot guy distracted the Auburn DB.  I think the Auburn DB just messed up.  He was too busy jawing with the OU guy and forgot to see who was out there.  

But again, unless you think there is no subjectivity in the rule, the only way to be sure is to ask the refs.  If they say its clean then run it.  I am fairly certain it wont work against Texas

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1 hour ago, Alien Octopus said:

Opened as Texas a -14.5 favorite , moved to -11.5, then -10.5 and now -4.5. Texas is still favored.  That 11.5 was from July. Looking forward to kicking the snot  out of the Sooners again. Wonder what the over under on how many quarters Mateer lasts running against out Linebackers and safeties?

No idea, you should join others here and bet me on it.  I stated above it would land between 4 and 7.  Will be a great time.  I was sure OU was already Nebraska so I'm happy if we stay within 21. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

Probably just have to disagree.  There is no question that they hoped to fool Auburn.  But what is the definition of substitution?  After the play, there was no huddle.  No one ran on the field (yes I know they do not have to).  Guy just walked to his position.  He didn't wave his hand like he needed to come out.  Didn't limp towards the sideline.  Does the offense have to tell the defense to cover them?  Watch Texas or any game.  Often receivers walk to their position during no huddle.  The OU slot guy distracted the Auburn DB.  I think the Auburn DB just messed up.  He was too busy jawing with the OU guy and forgot to see who was out there.  

But again, unless you think there is no subjectivity in the rule, the only way to be sure is to ask the refs.  If they say its clean then run it.  I am fairly certain it wont work against Texas

"If properly officiated, the second down play should have resulted in an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty of 15 yards assessed from the previous spot," the conference said. "Appropriate accountability will be applied without additional comment."

The statement referred to NCAA football rule G-2, Article 2, related to "unfair tactics."

"No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents," the rule states. "No tactic associated with substitutions or the substitutions process may be used to confuse the opponent. This includes any hideout tactic with or without a substitution."

 

SEC is pretty clear on how they feel the play should have been officiated and how they expect it to be officiated in the future. I underlined the important aspect of the rule. 

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1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

"If properly officiated, the second down play should have resulted in an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty of 15 yards assessed from the previous spot," the conference said. "Appropriate accountability will be applied without additional comment."

The statement referred to NCAA football rule G-2, Article 2, related to "unfair tactics."

"No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents," the rule states. "No tactic associated with substitutions or the substitutions process may be used to confuse the opponent. This includes any hideout tactic with or without a substitution."

 

SEC is pretty clear on how they feel the play should have been officiated and how they expect it to be officiated in the future. I underlined the important aspect of the rule. 

Yeah this is pretty cut and dry. Now conversely splitting a guy out wide after a play that isn't simulating substitution is fair but that isn't what happened.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

The good thing is OU used that play against Auburn.  They'll still try to do something shady, but it won't be that.

They very clearly have designed illegal pick plays in their playbook. They ran at least two against Auburn but were only flagged for one. 

Posted
Just now, NorthLoop said:

They very clearly have designed illegal pick plays in their playbook. They ran at least two against Auburn but were only flagged for one. 

Yeah, but most teams have pick plays in their books. UT's mesh routes are designed that way. Receivers can't run to contact on purpose, otherwise it's OPI.

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Anyone who doesn’t think OU  intentionally used the substitution process to confuse Auburn, (and per Bob Stoops even practiced it all week), is a fucking idiot. 

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16 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

Probably just have to disagree.  There is no question that they hoped to fool Auburn.  But what is the definition of substitution?  After the play, there was no huddle.  No one ran on the field (yes I know they do not have to).  Guy just walked to his position.  He didn't wave his hand like he needed to come out.  Didn't limp towards the sideline.  Does the offense have to tell the defense to cover them? 

TXHSFB plays by NCAA Rules.

As officials, we were instructed that if a player runs out wide past the numbers, chances are he's "simulating being taken out or substituted". That's exactly what OU did. Intentionally trying to deceive the defense (and the officials).

Should've been an easy UNS for the flank officials, but they were obviously asleep at the wheel. Bad look for the SEC.

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1 minute ago, DFW Horn said:

TXHSFB plays by NCAA Rules.

As officials, we were instructed that if a player runs out wide past the numbers, chances are he's "simulating being taken out or substituted". That's exactly what OU did. Intentionally trying to deceive the defense (and the officials).

Should've been an easy UNS for the flank officials, but they were obviously asleep at the wheel. Bad look for the SEC.

LET THIS DUMB ASS RETARD KNOW!

Posted
1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

LET THIS DUMB ASS RETARD KNOW!

Yeah, I tried to educate him more politely. He could be a dirt burglar, so he's already got enough problems. 

Posted
17 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

The good thing is OU used that play against Auburn.  They'll still try to do something shady, but it won't be that.

So no fake substitution.....no pick plays....guess they'll just have to do what they do best and resort to holding on every play.

Posted
8 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

"If properly officiated, the second down play should have resulted in an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty of 15 yards assessed from the previous spot," the conference said. "Appropriate accountability will be applied without additional comment."

The statement referred to NCAA football rule G-2, Article 2, related to "unfair tactics."

"No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents," the rule states. "No tactic associated with substitutions or the substitutions process may be used to confuse the opponent. This includes any hideout tactic with or without a substitution."

 

SEC is pretty clear on how they feel the play should have been officiated and how they expect it to be officiated in the future. I underlined the important aspect of the rule. 

OK. I read that.  The dude walked right in front of the defender.  In a no huddle situation.  No gesture to the sideline.  No taking off his chin strap.  Not running.  It was pretty deep in OU territory and he wasn't angling toward the bench area.  Just walking out to his spot.  If he stopped 3 yards further from the sideline would it have been a penalty?  What does "hideout" mean?  He literally walked right in front of the defender and took his spot.  OU had a wide receiver outside of the slot guy in virtually every play.  Why would the defender think there was no one out there?  Why would the defense think he was substituting when the QB  and OL and everyone else on the field were lining up for the next play?  I have watched it many times now.  The DB was too busy jawing.  I think there is a fine line between using the substitution penalty and just baiting a defender into an emotional mistake.  

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2 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

OK. I read that.  The dude walked right in front of the defender.  In a no huddle situation.  No gesture to the sideline.  No taking off his chin strap.  Not running.  It was pretty deep in OU territory and he wasn't angling toward the bench area.  Just walking out to his spot.  If he stopped 3 yards further from the sideline would it have been a penalty?  What does "hideout" mean?  He literally walked right in front of the defender and took his spot.  OU had a wide receiver outside of the slot guy in virtually every play.  Why would the defender think there was no one out there?  Why would the defense think he was substituting when the QB  and OL and everyone else on the field were lining up for the next play?  I have watched it many times now.  The DB was too busy jawing.  I think there is a fine line between using the substitution penalty and just baiting a defender into an emotional mistake.  

Why are you choosing to die on this hill? SEC already said it should have not counted. Eat shit pussy

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Posted
2 hours ago, statsman said:

“Hideout” plays were a point of emphasis for SEC officials this past offseason. 
 
so, one of these apply:

1. OU described what they would do in a way that really didn’t communicate to the SEC officials. 
2. OU is lying about coordinating with the officials. 
3. Those officials slept through their offseason training. 

Vandy ran the Hideout Play vs Texas last year and it was flagged.  It was on a 4th and short and was executed for first down.  The refs called a penalty, the difference last year is the WR was facing the sideline and not down field.   Thankfully the refs got it right and flag was thrown.

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1 minute ago, jdhorn92 said:

Vandy ran the Hideout Play vs Texas last year and it was flagged.  It was on a 4th and short and was executed for first down.  The refs called a penalty, the difference last year is the WR was facing the sideline and not down field.   Thankfully the refs got it right and flag was thrown.

It's just such a chickenshit play. Ranks right up there with faking injuries to stop the clock. No integrity

Posted
4 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

It's just such a chickenshit play. Ranks right up there with faking injuries to stop the clock. No integrity

no doubt, ill see i can find a full game replay and link the play.  

Posted
10 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

OK. I read that.  The dude walked right in front of the defender.  In a no huddle situation.  No gesture to the sideline.  No taking off his chin strap.  Not running.  It was pretty deep in OU territory and he wasn't angling toward the bench area.  Just walking out to his spot.  If he stopped 3 yards further from the sideline would it have been a penalty?  What does "hideout" mean?  He literally walked right in front of the defender and took his spot.  OU had a wide receiver outside of the slot guy in virtually every play.  Why would the defender think there was no one out there?  Why would the defense think he was substituting when the QB  and OL and everyone else on the field were lining up for the next play?  I have watched it many times now.  The DB was too busy jawing.  I think there is a fine line between using the substitution penalty and just baiting a defender into an emotional mistake.  

this is your comment

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There is no question that they hoped to fool Auburn. 

it applies directly to the rule that states:

"No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents," the rule states. "No tactic associated with substitutions or the substitutions process may be used to confuse the opponent. This includes any hideout tactic with or without a substitution."

 

By your own admission it is illegal. Now you are just spinning, pretending you did not say they did it with the intention to confuse the defense. 

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Posted
21 hours ago, Pancho said:

Cover 3 podcast bros are eating up ou, saying they have a top 3 defense in the country and suggesting possible sec cg.

 

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Texas, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Bama, Missouri, and LSU left of the schedule.

OU has the exact record everyone assumed that would have at this point in the season. The 5 best teams they play this season are all ahead of them. They didn't beat Michigan or Auburn in a convincing enough manner to warrant the kind of hype they're getting from people who should know better like the Cover 3 guys.

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13 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

LET THIS DUMB ASS RETARD KNOW!

LOL.  Take your ritalin.  I assume you guys know that it is routine for teams to talk to officials before the game and tell them about potential trick plays they intend to use (reverses, double passes, fake field goals etc) so the refs know it is coming and know what to look for from a rules standpoint.   I already said it seemed shady at first.  I guess I am having a hard time blaming the team when they told the refs before it happened.  The refs knew the rules.  Blame them or blame Auburn for being stupid.  

If the conversation with the refs was that they noticed the Auburn DB talks a lot of shit and that they were going to have their slot receiver try and bait the DB into losing focus, is that a penalty?  

28 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

As officials, we were instructed that if a player runs out wide past the numbers, chances are he's "simulating being taken out or substituted". That's exactly what OU did. Intentionally trying to deceive the defense (and the officials).

Solid point.  So if a team came to you as an official before the game and explained exactly what they were going to do and you said it was not a penalty, who do you blame?  

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fucking stop it man. 

 

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pundits, coaches, officials, the SEC,

 

 

 

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is saying it was a bullshit illegal play.

 

go pick another rule hill to die on

Posted
8 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

Solid point.  So if a team came to you as an official before the game and explained exactly what they were going to do and you said it was not a penalty, who do you blame?  

Myself

I doubt that's what happened in this game unless the officials on that particular crew are retarded.

Posted
1 minute ago, Scholz said:

Of course blowu fans are defending their cheating. Because of course. 😂

A church acquaintance is a BlowU grad who coached his son's youth football teams. He'd call me to discuss the rules and potential trick plays. He described a hideout play he wanted to run, which I discouraged. Just because you can get away with it due to rookie officials' ignorance doesn't mean you should.

I reminded him to spend less time trying to fool people with deceptive bullshit and more time on blocking and tackling.

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1 minute ago, DFW Horn said:

A church acquaintance is a BlowU grad who coached his son's youth football teams. He'd call me to discuss the rules and potential trick plays. He described a hideout play he wanted to run, which I discouraged. Just because you can get away with it due to rookie officials' ignorance doesn't mean you should.

I reminded him to spend less time trying to fool people with deceptive bullshit and more time on blocking and tackling.

Blowu DNA

Posted
2 hours ago, statsman said:

“Hideout” plays were a point of emphasis for SEC officials this past offseason. 
 
so, one of these apply:

1. OU described what they would do in a way that really didn’t communicate to the SEC officials. 
2. OU is lying about coordinating with the officials. 
3. Those officials slept through their offseason training. 

 Venables is a POS and rolled the dice……if you get caught, you get penalized….saying they spoke to refs before they ran it (did they really?) wants folks to give them an out if called out.  OU got away with it, got a W and can say the refs were ok with it….POS.

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2 hours ago, sheeeit said:

The question was do you think it is cheating or bush league by a team to run a play that they cleared with the refs?  If they had not cleared it beforehand it would almost certainly be bush league and possibly against the rules.  It certainly would be pushing the rules.

So... what point did you think I missed? I simply pointed out that even if they cleared it with the refs, those refs would have been incorrect. That is a hideout play and has been against the rules for like 70 years. Regardless of whatever those specific refs said that play was against the rules and should have been flagged. 

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Posted (edited)

Watch this again and you see Hugh Freeze is pissed off at the line judge immediately after the play and he does the timeout signal. Then go back and watch the play, only instead of focusing on the bottom half where the receiver is hiding out (but you can't see), look up at the Auburn coaches on the line of scrimmage. You can see that Freeze sees what is happening and raises his arm to point at the far side of the field and starts losing his shit a couple seconds before the ball is snapped. It looks like he tries to get in the line judge's ear and potentially call a timeout right before the snap, but it wasn't granted.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, sheeeit said:

Probably just have to disagree.  There is no question that they hoped to fool Auburn.  But what is the definition of substitution?  

Irrelevant. The rule specifically says it is a violation with or without a substitution. 

Posted
11 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Myself

I doubt that's what happened in this game unless the officials on that particular crew are retarded.

Well that was the whole point of the hypothetical.  The OU play by play guys said OU specifically told the refs pregame what they intended to do.  I said to pretend it was some other team because OU doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.    The refs said ok.  They ran the play.   

I have no idea if they really did ask the refs pregame.  I just posited that if they did ask them pregame, it would change my opinion on whether it was cheating or not.  

If you tell a coach something is not against the rules, you would be pretty hypocritical to then blame the coach when the play worked and the other team was pissed.  

I have a hard time believing that if a coach asked you personally about a particular play before a game and you told the coach it was not a penalty, and then the coach ran the play, that you would call them dirty.  It didn't happen in game speed.  You as the ref had no distractions when explained what the play would be.  You had time to talk about it with your other refs.  If you would still say the play was dirty then we just disagree.   

 

Posted
15 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

 Venables is a POS and rolled the dice……if you get caught, you get penalized….saying they spoke to refs before they ran it (did they really?) wants folks to give them an out if called out.  OU got away with it, got a W and can say the refs were ok with it….POS.

Yeah he’s a proven cheater and liar. Don’t believe a word that guy utters.

And of course there was the normal Sooner business model of their Oline and DBs holding egregiously on every play.

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