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16 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Imagine the stupidity it takes to come to a board filled with Texans and claim that Hispanics no longer assimilate.

So you support discontinuing the printing of public notices and ballots in Spanish? (stupid comments are easily refuted)

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1 hour ago, Kyle said:

I don't know why I punish myself .... I think you're spot on, but IMHO there are two things I'll add that I think makes some difference in today vs. yesterday:

- Proximity: Asian and European immigration inherently limited by logistics; as the Caravan shows, basically all of Central America can walk to the U.S. and claim "asylum;" by the logic of many, we should just effectively annex Central America.

- Political correctness: somewhere during the last 20 years many liberals intelligentsia decided it was racist to expect immigrants to assimilate, so we spend lots of our tax dollars ensuring Latin American immigrants never have to assimilate culturally or linguistically; my grandfather was spanked and sent home from school for speaking German and told not to return until he knows English; today, he would have gotten a scholarship

I love legal immigration, and I think one of the greatest things about America was the concept of the Melting Pot, which is probably today racist and national socialist. I always thought Texas did a particular good job of it. IMHO, too many extremists on the Left focus too much on our differences and the resulting Identity Politics. Practically, I just think it makes sense to work toward a single American culture as opposed to encouraging everyone to express and monetize our differences. Unfortunately, I guess that makes me a racist and national socialist, etc.

Travis county is floating closing 12 schools due to lack of funds. Travis county champions having two full second language programs all the way through high school in two districts. 

What is the cost per student?  Illegal immigration has consequences. If you are cool with children footing the bill, Ok, Hookem. 

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27 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Travis county is floating closing 12 schools due to lack of funds. Travis county champions having two full second language programs all the way through high school in two districts. 

What is the cost per student?  Illegal immigration has consequences. If you are cool with children footing the bill, Ok, Hookem. 

Travis County doesn't run a single school.

And AISD isn't proposing closing schools because of second language programs.

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55 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Travis county is floating closing 12 schools due to lack of funds. Travis county champions having two full second language programs all the way through high school in two districts. 

What is the cost per student?  Illegal immigration has consequences. If you are cool with children footing the bill, Ok, Hookem. 

God damn you're fucking retarded. Go back to chewing gravel you nimrod. 

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3 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Travis county is floating closing 12 schools due to lack of funds. Travis county champions having two full second language programs all the way through high school in two districts. 

What is the cost per student?  Illegal immigration has consequences. If you are cool with children footing the bill, Ok, Hookem. 

Go study.

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On 12/14/2018 at 11:54 PM, Iconoclast Texan said:

Americans like to explain everything through the prism of race which is moronic when applied to this situation. Has anyone railed against the educated, wealthy Mexicans and Venezuelans who have flocked to the Woodlands legally? The answer is no one. I am opposed to illegal immigrants streaming across the border because they are uneducated and poor and will add nothing other than cheap, unskilled labor that we have plenty of. Wanting educated people with means to immigrate to your country doesn’t mean that you hate brown people. My parents and family members waited years to immigrate legally to this country. That’s one of many reasons why I want a massive crackdown. Criminals shouldn’t be rewarded. The Border Patrol are doing a thankless job for shitty pay keeping the hordes of illegals at bay. The vast majority of the Border Patrol are Hispanic themselves. They have my respect and admiration. The NFL should have a weekend devoted to saluting the Border Patrol and ICE like they do for the military. Salute to the Border Patrol. 

hey, I know you're new here, but you have a lot to learn about America.

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6 hours ago, Kyle said:

I don't know why I punish myself .... I think you're spot on, but IMHO there are two things I'll add that I think makes some difference in today vs. yesterday:

- Proximity: Asian and European immigration inherently limited by logistics; as the Caravan shows, basically all of Central America can walk to the U.S. and claim "asylum;" by the logic of many, we should just effectively annex Central America.

- Political correctness: somewhere during the last 20 years many liberals intelligentsia decided it was racist to expect immigrants to assimilate, so we spend lots of our tax dollars ensuring Latin American immigrants never have to assimilate culturally or linguistically; my grandfather was spanked and sent home from school for speaking German and told not to return until he knows English; today, he would have gotten a scholarship

I love legal immigration, and I think one of the greatest things about America was the concept of the Melting Pot, which is probably today racist and national socialist. I always thought Texas did a particular good job of it. IMHO, too many extremists on the Left focus too much on our differences and the resulting Identity Politics. Practically, I just think it makes sense to work toward a single American culture as opposed to encouraging everyone to express and monetize our differences. Unfortunately, I guess that makes me a racist and national socialist, etc.

Yes, because extremists on the right do not focus on differences and they defnitely don't do idenity politics.  Fuck outta here with that mess when you know your people do it. 

If you complain about political correctness, you want to say, do, or believe racist shit and not get in reprimanded for it. 

Finally--you really need to comprehend the difference between enculturation, acculturation, and assimilation.  Seriously. 

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On 12/14/2018 at 11:54 PM, Iconoclast Texan said:

Americans like to explain everything through the prism of race which is moronic when applied to this situation. Has anyone railed against the educated, wealthy Mexicans and Venezuelans who have flocked to the Woodlands legally? The answer is no one. I am opposed to illegal immigrants streaming across the border because they are uneducated and poor and will add nothing other than cheap, unskilled labor that we have plenty of. Wanting educated people with means to immigrate to your country doesn’t mean that you hate brown people. My parents and family members waited years to immigrate legally to this country. That’s one of many reasons why I want a massive crackdown. Criminals shouldn’t be rewarded. The Border Patrol are doing a thankless job for shitty pay keeping the hordes of illegals at bay. The vast majority of the Border Patrol are Hispanic themselves. They have my respect and admiration. The NFL should have a weekend devoted to saluting the Border Patrol and ICE like they do for the military. Salute to the Border Patrol. 

lol

I'm not sure why you watch the NFL or NBA or college athletics based on the people who play those sports and your consiously chosen position.  ANd it's not surprising. 

 

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7 hours ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Ankle monitors aren’t good enough. I want the asylum process to not be thought of as a magical get out of the shithole country card you came from card. I want it to be an intrusive process that requires lots of hoops to jump through. The asylum applicants need to the know that the government is in charge, they are not going to be free to ignore the laws and that we know where the fuck you are at all times. It’s stupid we don’t do this.

Why are ankle monitors not good enough? Please show your work. You fucking hypocrite. 

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19 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Travis county is floating closing 12 schools due to lack of funds. Travis county champions having two full second language programs all the way through high school in two districts. 

What is the cost per student?  Illegal immigration has consequences. If you are cool with children footing the bill, Ok, Hookem. 

You can tell by the Bronx Sarah Palin thread that leftie extremists do not understand math, economics, or consequences. There is a reason only 1-2 left wing extremists on this board engages in anything other than emotional name calling and ad homs.

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14 hours ago, Pancho Negro said:

Yes, because extremists on the right do not focus on differences and they defnitely don't do idenity politics.  Fuck outta here with that mess when you know your people do it. 

If you complain about political correctness, you want to say, do, or believe racist shit and not get in reprimanded for it. 

Finally--you really need to comprehend the difference between enculturation, acculturation, and assimilation.  Seriously. 

Blah blah blah .... race card ... blah blah blah ... national socialist ... blah blah blah ... my virginia hurts.

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3 minutes ago, Kyle said:

You can tell by the Bronx Sarah Palin thread that leftie extremists do not understand math, economics, or consequences. There is a reason only 1-2 left wing extremists on this board engages in anything other than emotional name calling and ad homs.

 

2 minutes ago, Kyle said:

Blah blah blah .... race card ... blah blah blah ... national socialist ... blah blah blah ... my virginia hurts.

lulz

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5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What does that have to do with what we do?

Do you not think we should adopt best practices from other countries? I forever hear about being like this country or that country in regard to different issues.

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9 minutes ago, Kyle said:

Do you not think we should adopt best practices from other countries? I forever hear about being like this country or that country in regard to different issues.

Mexico adopted a law in 2003 requiring the state to offer all of its services in native tongues to indigenous peoples. This means that Mexico currently by law requires that official services be provided in dozens if not hundreds of different languages.

You were saying?

 

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14 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

Why are ankle monitors not good enough? Please show your work. You fucking hypocrite. 

How I’m a hypocrite Hayden? I have been very consistent with regard to my opinions on this subject.

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17 minutes ago, Kyle said:

You can tell by the Bronx Sarah Palin thread that leftie extremists do not understand math, economics, or consequences. There is a reason only 1-2 left wing extremists on this board engages in anything other than emotional name calling and ad homs.

And there is a reason you don't actually engage any of the substantive responses; your ideas are hollow and cannot withstand any amount of critical thought.  

(1) Do you understand the purpose of a hearing is to allow us to gather the facts that you say are needed for folks to prove they deserve asylum? You can't ask them to prove they belong and then not give the opportunity to do so.  

(2) See Hayden's post above, why aren't ankle monitors enough? And, even absent implementing monitors, what statistical evidence exists that asylum seekers will fail to appear at their hearing?

(3) Do you honestly think that teaching more than one language is either bad or a primary driver in school costs such that it can force mass closures? All those schools teach math too, so it must be math that is causing the closures. I bet they also feed the children. Wait, there it is, all those schools have children, that is the problem! Let's just get rid of the children. 

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47 minutes ago, Kyle said:

Blah blah blah .... race card ... blah blah blah ... national socialist ... blah blah blah ... my virginia hurts.

Pancho gets off on calling people racists. I’m disappointed he hasn’t called me a racist, fascist so far today in his posts. He’s merely hinted at it. Shit or get off the pot Pancho.

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22 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

How are you not?

Have I espoused a bleeding heart position with respect to the caravan and then contradicted it. I’m not aware that I have. I have been pretty consistent with respect to the attitude and course of action I’d pursue in response to the caravan.

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Pancho gets off on calling people racists. I’m disappointed he hasn’t called me a racist, fascist so far today in his posts. He’s merely hinted at it. Shit or get off the pot Pancho.

You might not be a racist. I don’t know you and can’t see into your heart.

 

But if you can’t see that some of your posts can be inferred as racist I don’t know what to tell you.

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24 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

And there is a reason you don't actually engage any of the substantive responses; your ideas are hollow and cannot withstand any amount of critical thought.  

(1) Do you understand the purpose of a hearing is to allow us to gather the facts that you say are needed for folks to prove they deserve asylum? You can't ask them to prove they belong and then not give the opportunity to do so.  

(2) See Hayden's post above, why aren't ankle monitors enough? And, even absent implementing monitors, what statistical evidence exists that asylum seekers will fail to appear at their hearing?

(3) Do you honestly think that teaching more than one language is either bad or a primary driver in school costs such that it can force mass closures? All those schools teach math too, so it must be math that is causing the closures. I bet they also feed the children. Wait, there it is, all those schools have children, that is the problem! Let's just get rid of the children. 

With respect to #2, it would further the goal of making asylum a much less attractive option while still tacitly honoring asylum claims and the international conventions that we have signed.

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3 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

You might not be a racist. I don’t know you and can’t see into your heart.

 

But if you can’t see that some of your posts can be inferred as racist I don’t know what to tell you.

None of my proposals would be applied to only Latinos. It would apply to everyone. Trying to come up with solutions to this problem doesn’t make one a racist. Possibly mean-spirited. 

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28 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

With respect to #2, it would further the goal of making asylum a much less attractive option while still tacitly honoring asylum claims and the international conventions that we have signed.

I'm confused, are ankle monitors enough or not? I'm not sure what your post means. What is the "it" you are referring to?

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1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

Mexico adopted a law in 2003 requiring the state to offer all of its services in native tongues to indigenous peoples. This means that Mexico currently by law requires that official services be provided in dozens if not hundreds of different languages.

You were saying?

 

I was not saying I was asking.

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37 minutes ago, ADHD said:

The white people hates the brown people.

Or in this case, the brown person with a swiss cheese brain because of all the meth hates the rest of the brown people.

1 hour ago, Kyle said:

You can tell by the Bronx Sarah Palin thread that leftie extremists do not understand math, economics, or consequences. There is a reason only 1-2 left wing extremists on this board engages in anything other than emotional name calling and ad homs.

Let me tell you how hilarious it is to watch a pussy snowflake little bitch like you cry like an 8 year old with a skinned knee over "the d-d-d-d-discourse" when you are so intellectually barren that you are forced to call everyone that doesn't agree with you a "leftie extremist" and the words of a junior congresswoman that hasn't even assumed office wound you so deeply that you have to resort to comparing her a racist, homophobic, hypocritical harpy from your camp to try and salvage a sliver of pride.

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1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

And there is a reason you don't actually engage any of the substantive responses; your ideas are hollow and cannot withstand any amount of critical thought.  

(1) Do you understand the purpose of a hearing is to allow us to gather the facts that you say are needed for folks to prove they deserve asylum? You can't ask them to prove they belong and then not give the opportunity to do so.  

(2) See Hayden's post above, why aren't ankle monitors enough? And, even absent implementing monitors, what statistical evidence exists that asylum seekers will fail to appear at their hearing?

(3) Do you honestly think that teaching more than one language is either bad or a primary driver in school costs such that it can force mass closures? All those schools teach math too, so it must be math that is causing the closures. I bet they also feed the children. Wait, there it is, all those schools have children, that is the problem! Let's just get rid of the children. 

Day drinking again?

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Just now, Brian Fantana said:

Or in this case, the brown person with a swiss cheese brain because of all the meth hates the rest of the brown people.

Let me tell you how hilarious it is to watch a pussy snowflake little bitch like you cry like an 8 year old with a skinned knee over "the d-d-d-d-discourse" when you are so intellectually barren that you are forced to call everyone that doesn't agree with you a "leftie extremist" and the words of a junior congresswoman that hasn't even assumed office wound you so deeply that you have to resort to comparing her a racist, homophobic, hypocritical harpy from your camp to try and salvage a sliver of pride.

You seem smart and tough.

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1 hour ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

How I’m a hypocrite Hayden? I have been very consistent with regard to my opinions on this subject.

you are a product of parents fleeing an oppressive regime. yes, that immigration is legal, as is what these people are doing. yet you want to treat them like dirt, rather than like human beings. 

also, you didn't answer why ankle monitors are not enough. 

because you are a fucking hypocrite who does not want to actually stop and think about why people engage in diaspora DESPITE being a product of it yourself.

hypocrite.

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1 minute ago, hayden_horn said:

you are a product of parents fleeing an oppressive regime. yes, that immigration is legal, as is what these people are doing. yet you want to treat them like dirt, rather than like human beings. 

also, you didn't answer why ankle monitors are not enough. 

because you are a fucking hypocrite who does not want to actually stop and think about why people engage in diaspora DESPITE being a product of it yourself.

hypocrite.

Hey man, I got mine.  Fuck everyone who wants to come in behind me.

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52 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

you are a product of parents fleeing an oppressive regime. yes, that immigration is legal, as is what these people are doing. yet you want to treat them like dirt, rather than like human beings. 

also, you didn't answer why ankle monitors are not enough. 

because you are a fucking hypocrite who does not want to actually stop and think about why people engage in diaspora DESPITE being a product of it yourself.

hypocrite.

As I figured, I’m a hypocrite in your eyes not because of any contradictory statements or actions that I have made but rather because I violate YOUR ETHICS of how YOU THINK I SHOULD FEEL OR ACT with respect to the caravan all the while ignoring MY EXPERIENCES AND FEELINGS as a 2nd generation.  I have an aunt who left Iran after husband got in trouble with the Iranian government but did so LEGALLY and immigrated to Canada instead of the US because they were able to get a visa and permanent status easier there. Everyone I know with Iranian heritage here immigrated legally. Why the fuck should I be sympathetic to these people proudly and defiantly breaking our laws? If the members of the caravan are too stupid, uneducated and/or poor to navigate the means of legal immigration then that is even more reason to discourage hordes of poor, uneducated people who don’t speak English from coming to this country! 

Immigration to you is an abstract concept while I have lived it through my family. Your position as you have stated numerous times is to let ALL of them in. From my experience, that is a ridiculous stance since my family and friends didot legally. Finally, my own family didn’t flee shit. My parents came here 5 years before the Revolution. I have said that numerous times yet you never pick up on it because it doesn’t fit into your imagined narrative about me.

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35 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Ok cool thanks

So this is the MO?

  1. Cry about discourse
  2. Refuse to answer honest questions
  3. Troll
  4. Repeat

I told you that you were smart and tough. You have it all figured out. Congratulations. Where can I send the legal documents so you can take control of the Oasis?

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