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CNN reported this as the peace plan surviving its first test. Seems like the new normal is just strikes against Gaza with no major counter by Hamas. Peace? 

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1 minute ago, Dr. Teeth said:

CNN reported this as the peace plan surviving its first test. Seems like the new normal is just strikes against Gaza with no major counter by Hamas. Peace? 

Pretty much. Israel has zero incentive to halt attacks in Gaza. They’ve got all the surviving hostages. 
 

Look for Hamas to try to abduct Israeli soldiers or worse, aid workers. 

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7 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So how many Scaramuccis did this cease fire last?  Did it even make it to one?

0.64 Scaramuccis or 0.18 Liz Truss's if you're into the metric system

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On 10/19/2025 at 10:01 AM, RollLeft said:

you're welcome...now back to my vacation  gleefully and vocally supporting a serial pedophile

good luck at the pearly gates

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1 hour ago, Foosters said:

good luck at the pearly gates

To quote Christopher Hitchens regarding Jerry Falwell when Anderson Cooper asked if he believed Falwell was in Hell:

”No and it’s a great pity that there isn’t a Hell for him to go to”

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Is this all because Israel claims Hamas faked hostages?

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The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has released a statement following Israel's earlier accusation that Hamas put a body in soil, then excavated it and said it was one of the deceased hostages.

ICRC says its team was "not aware that a deceased person had been placed there prior to their arrival, as seen in the footage".

"Our role as neutral intermediary does not include unearthing of the bodies of the deceased. Our team only observed what appeared to be the recovery of remains without prior knowledge of the circumstances leading up to it," the statement says.

"It is unacceptable that a fake recovery was staged, when so much depends on this agreement being upheld and when so many families are still anxiously awaiting news of their loved ones," the organisation adds.

ICRC says it is "raising its concerns directly with the parties", and "reiterates its call on the parties to uphold their commitments to the ceasefire agreement and facilitate the return of the deceased".

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c891ex72nj7t

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Has it been verified that Hamas actually did keep up their end of the bargain and the fake hostage thing was misinformation? Surely Hamas wouldn't put Walter's old underwear in the money bag and botch the agreed upon exchange by doing some fake hostage tomfoolery and breaking the terms of the ceasefire and inviting a response, is my first thought, but there has been little reported about the follow up.

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12 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Just asking questions

No I am literally asking because the only reporting I've seen are obviously Zionist/Pro-Israel publications and don't want to unwittingly be propagandonized here, I'm talking about "The Times of Israel" and "Israel National News" type outlets. 

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Finally a single, non-partisan source (but I'm still skeptical because no AP or mainstream sources are reporting):

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The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) on Wednesday condemned what it called an apparent "staged" exhumation of the remains of an Israeli hostage in the Gaza Strip.

The ICRC referred to a video released by the Israeli military on Tuesday.

The video, taken by a drone, purportedly shows the Hamas militant group removing body parts in a bag from a building. The bag is then dragged into a large hole and mostly buried under dirt.

The individuals in the video are then seen uncovering the body bag in front of Red Cross representatives, as if the remains were a new discovery.

The military said the recording was made on Monday afternoon in Gaza City.

"Our team only observed what appeared to be the recovery of remains without prior knowledge of the circumstances leading up to it. It is unacceptable that a fake recovery was staged, when so much depends on this agreement being upheld and when so many families are still anxiously awaiting news of their loved ones."

The organization emphasized its role as a neutral intermediary and said it remained in contact with all parties to the conflict, urging that human remains be treated with dignity.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/red-cross-condemns-staged-recovery-113635726.html

Let's say this is accurate, then what? Sounds like Hamas was the first to breach the ceasefire terms and invite reprecussion, right?

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3 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Jesus christ just say what you want to say and quit being a pussy

You're so fucking annoying

Here is what I want to say. Brian, do you, Brian Fantana believe the chicancary being reported (not very widely) about the fake hostage heist is true? Decisoning tree based off that response: if it is true, do you think that's a legitimate breach of ceasefire by the terms? 

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11 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Here is what I want to say. Brian, do you, Brian Fantana believe the chicancary being reported (not very widely) about the fake hostage heist is true? Decisoning tree based off that response: if it is true, do you think that's a legitimate breach of ceasefire by the terms? 

The chicanery, if true, is probably a violation of the ceasefire. Does it merit an air strike killing over 100 people? No, probably not. It's also hardly the first time this latest ceasefire has been broken because the ceasefire isn't fucking real you baby brain dickhead.

It has been violated like 50 fucking times already this is hardly the first time, and I'm not going to hold your fucking hand and walk you through history again like a fucking toddler. Fuck off.

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27 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Finally a single, non-partisan source (but I'm still skeptical because no AP or mainstream sources are reporting):

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/red-cross-condemns-staged-recovery-113635726.html

Let's say this is accurate, then what? Sounds like Hamas was the first to breach the ceasefire terms and invite reprecussion, right?

Hey, congrats on actually quoting what you linked to this time!

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Hey, congrats on actually quoting what you linked to this time!

Even better-- I waited until there was a semi-reputable link and not the times of israel and isreael post and the jeresuleum news, etc.

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5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Hey, congrats on actually quoting what you linked to this time!

Do you believe the cease fire isn't real, too?

Am I the only one under the guise that the cease fire was real?

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5 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Even better-- I waited until there was a semi-reputable link and not the times of israel and isreael post and the jeresuleum news, etc.

I sorta agree with Fantana here, just say what you want to say, because it’s coming off pretty clear that you think slaughtering civilians by the hundreds and leveling a country of 2 million residents is okay … if true.

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Just now, Brian Fantana said:

This is either Helobius-tier stupidity or just an outright troll. 

I mean the AP is reporting it now as real. And also putting some of the burden of the cease fire becoming tenous on Hamas for 

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The slow return of remains is the most immediate threat to the truce that began Oct. 10, and it’s a sensitive issue for the Israeli public, which places religious and cultural importance on retrieving bodies for burial in Israel.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-war-dead-hostages-ceasefire-deal-80b85ee3f650fc67f28bdf83b957f9f4

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1 minute ago, 'stache said:

I sorta agree with Fantana here, just say what you want to say, because it’s coming off pretty clear that you think slaughtering civilians by the hundreds and leveling a country of 2 million residents is okay … if true.

I don't actually have a fully formed point of view here which is why I'm "asking questions" and seeking input/clarity. I understand the act of engaging with questions and a seeking to understand mentality is considered "trolling in bad faith" in the internet era, but how else are we to engage?

I don't think slaughtering civilians by the hundreds is ever okay.

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3 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Do you believe the cease fire isn't real, too?

Am I the only one under the guise that the cease fire was real?

No, it wasn't ever really real, except for the hostages that got to go home. Trump insisted on Israel agreeing to a pretend ceasefire because he thought it could get him a Nobel prize and now that's over with he's moved on and Israel is back to doing what they do, which is mass murder.

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Just now, wildcat09 said:

No, it wasn't ever really real, except for the hostages that got to go home. Trump insisted on Israel agreeing to a pretend ceasefire because he thought it could get him a Nobel prize and now that's over with he's moved on and Israel is back to doing what they do, which is mass murder.

Fair enough. Thanks for answering. I don't necessarily disagree, but maybe I'm a hopeless romantic, and am wanting to see more before throwing it out as a farce.

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2 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

Has it been verified that Hamas actually did keep up their end of the bargain and the fake hostage thing was misinformation? Surely Hamas wouldn't put Walter's old underwear in the money bag and botch the agreed upon exchange by doing some fake hostage tomfoolery and breaking the terms of the ceasefire and inviting a response, is my first thought, but there has been little reported about the follow up.

 

48 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I don't actually have a fully formed point of view here which is why I'm "asking questions" and seeking input/clarity. I understand the act of engaging with questions and a seeking to understand mentality is considered "trolling in bad faith" in the internet era, but how else are we to engage?

I don't think slaughtering civilians by the hundreds is ever okay.

If you truly believe that then why is a “ceasefire” needed at all? Shouldn’t Israel have been focused the entire time on fighting Hamas and not leveling the entire fucking country and killing everyone in sight?

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1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

I mean the AP is reporting it now as real. And also putting some of the burden of the cease fire becoming tenous on Hamas for 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-war-dead-hostages-ceasefire-deal-80b85ee3f650fc67f28bdf83b957f9f4

If it wasn't the remains, it would be something else. This is HOW BULLIES AND FASCISTS OPERATE. Always find a new grievance to nurse that gives you surface-level justification for ratcheting things up another notch

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30 minutes ago, Captainant said:

If it wasn't the remains, it would be something else. This is HOW BULLIES AND FASCISTS OPERATE. Always find a new grievance to nurse that gives you surface-level justification for ratcheting things up another notch

The thing about this is, while you are right, it also highlights the nature of the dynamic at play. Israel is the aggressor and the one with the power (and cue spiderman, with great power comes great responsibility we like to think). But Hamas has near zero leverage. They engage in a truce or deal, they need to be air tight and buttoned up if they want it to stand. At least that's how I think abou it.

Anything less than 100% compliance can and will open up the threat to throw out the tenous peace. If that makes the ceasefire a fake one or a disingenous one, I guess we all agree. But if it is true that Hamas is playing some stupid game with the hostages, they are the ones who are poking the bear and putting the truce at risk in that instance.

But I guess if the thinking is already one of a foregone conclusion of "israel is just going to blow it up anyways because they don't want the peace" then it's easy to dismiss Hamas culpability in breaking the ceasefire. But I mean, it's a tenous, thin ice cease fire to begin with, you'd think you'd be engaging with the T's & C's with kid gloves and care.

47 minutes ago, 'stache said:

 

If you truly believe that then why is a “ceasefire” needed at all? Shouldn’t Israel have been focused the entire time on fighting Hamas and not leveling the entire fucking country and killing everyone in sight?

I mean, I gave you my opinion. Israel obviously believed and believes differently.

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Is anybody surprised that once Bibi is satisfied that what remains of the hostages have been secured, he would resume bombing Gaza?

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