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Sigh...I suppose at least that when everyone else has been vaccinated (and therefore not infected from those that won‚Äôt) if the moron MAGA hat types who still stubbornly refuse to get the vaccine because it‚Äôs ‚Äúfake science‚ÄĚ and ‚Äúno worse than the regular flu‚ÄĚ get it and if they die from it, they will get their own new chapter in the Darwin‚Äôs Natural Selection book.
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2 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

This seems good

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Lots of people excited about getting to go from 10 masks to nine as well as have their kids need only five masks during online school.

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3 minutes ago, mdleast said:


Sigh...I suppose at least that when everyone else has been vaccinated (and therefore not infected from those that won‚Äôt) if the moron MAGA hat types who still stubbornly refuse to get the vaccine because it‚Äôs ‚Äúfake science‚ÄĚ and ‚Äúno worse than the regular flu‚ÄĚ get it and if they die from it, they will get their own new chapter in the Darwin‚Äôs Natural Selection book.

It’s not just the moron MAGA, it’s an overlap with them, distrustful blacks and whacked out crazy hippie liberal types. 
same as all the vaccination things. Same as home school type stuff (minus the blacks in that one). 
It’s a strange bedfellows thing with the anti Vax crowd. 

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27 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

It’s not just the moron MAGA, it’s an overlap with them, distrustful blacks and whacked out crazy hippie liberal types. 
same as all the vaccination things. Same as home school type stuff (minus the blacks in that one). 
It’s a strange bedfellows thing with the anti Vax crowd. 

Agreed but at least with those that have been historically distrustful or hippie types against (typically all) vaccinations, there is a consistency in position.  What especially annoys me when I hear/read from any friends, family, Facebook "friends" and people online (including here) who (1) are not medical professionals in any way, shape or form and (2) who I can never recall once before professing any strong opinions or claimed expertise on any prior medical issue and yet they are sudden "experts" on COVD and vaccinations (and in opposition to what the supermajority of true medical professionals/experts are saying).  I mean, isn't it amazing that these people we know who have never professed medical expertise or hot medical opinions previously are suddenly "experts" on this one particular issue?  Isn't that peculiar and amazing that they suddenly gained savant like status on just COVID?  Or, rather, could it be they're just regurgitating the same political hacky bullshit they have heard from others in stupid red hats?

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1 minute ago, mdleast said:

Agreed but at least with those that have been historically distrustful or hippie types against (typically all) vaccinations, there is a consistency in position.  What especially annoys me when I hear/read from any friends, family, Facebook "friends" and people online (including here) who (1) are not medical professionals in any way, shape or form and (2) who I can never recall once before professing any strong opinions or claimed expertise on any prior medical issue and yet they are sudden "experts" on COVD and vaccinations (and in opposition to what the supermajority of true medical professionals/experts are saying).  I mean, isn't it amazing that these people we know who have never professed medical expertise or hot medical opinions previously are suddenly "experts" on this one particular issue?  Isn't that peculiar and amazing that they suddenly gained savant like status on just COVID?  Or, rather, could it be they're just regurgitating the same political hacky bullshit they have heard from others in stupid red hats?

I'm sure there are many different reasons but I think part of it goes to someone's core political beliefs. If your talk radio and buddies are all telling you that the COVID-19 vaccines will alter your DNA to turn you into a <fill-in-the-blank> then agreeing to getting the vaccine brings everything those sources are telling you.

 

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You see, what I think happened is these public health officials, epidemiologists, and virologists have been playing the long game with us.  For over a century, they've been eradicating polio, small pox, chicken pox, measles, diphtheria, rubella, mumps, tetanus, rotavirus, pertussis and hepatitis.  And it's almost always categorically been effective.  

So after over a century of study and public efficacy...the grand scheme has always been to work with the CCP to release a lethal virus into the global population and then concoct a largely ineffective vaccine (saving just enough people to make it through blind trials) in order to make us even sicker while serving the Chinese Government.   The Capitol storming on January 6th was merely staged as a distraction from this awful truth.  Fauci set about, 60 years ago, to study virology and epidemics in a complete ruse to put himself in his current position of power to wage a psychological battle of misinformation with us.  This is all part of the elites plan and we are unwilling pawns.  I am going to have Ivanka Trump suck the vaccine I got last week out of my body.  

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19 minutes ago, mdleast said:

Agreed but at least with those that have been historically distrustful or hippie types against (typically all) vaccinations, there is a consistency in position.  What especially annoys me when I hear/read from any friends, family, Facebook "friends" and people online (including here) who (1) are not medical professionals in any way, shape or form and (2) who I can never recall once before professing any strong opinions or claimed expertise on any prior medical issue and yet they are sudden "experts" on COVD and vaccinations (and in opposition to what the supermajority of true medical professionals/experts are saying).  I mean, isn't it amazing that these people we know who have never professed medical expertise or hot medical opinions previously are suddenly "experts" on this one particular issue?  Isn't that peculiar and amazing that they suddenly gained savant like status on just COVID?  Or, rather, could it be they're just regurgitating the same political hacky bullshit they have heard from others in stupid red hats?

You are white knighting for your team.
 

It’s all stupid behavior refusing the Vax. I don’t care if it’s always stupid behavior (hippie dippy types) if it’s stupid behavior based upon something that happened 2-4 generations ago being a point of contention for a community that’s being disproportionately hit by the virus now (Tuskegee) or stupid behavior based upon misguided political fealty to a Cheeto hued God by nitwits it’s all the same result. 

everyone that’s in that group is eligible for the play stupid games and win stupid prizes for 2021. 


as long as we don’t alter when we open society up bc of the misguided belief that we need to protect those refusing the vaccine IDGAF. 
I guess to be fair you have the right to be especially annoyed by whoever you want and cut a break to others for abject stupidity whenever you want, but I’m gently suggesting perhaps it makes sense to apply the same standard of scorn and contempt to be behavioral based, not mitigated by whether or not that person is lined up with you in other issues. 
if we could call balls and strikes impartially and assign contempt

to behavior instead of belief system we might all get along fractionally better. 

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19 minutes ago, mdleast said:

I mean, isn't it amazing that these people we know who have never professed medical expertise or hot medical opinions previously are suddenly "experts" on this one particular issue?  Isn't that peculiar and amazing that they suddenly gained savant like status on just COVID? 

Indeed. Fauci needs to shut up.

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You are white knighting for your team.
 
It’s all stupid behavior refusing the Vax. I don’t care if it’s always stupid behavior (hippie dippy types) if it’s stupid behavior based upon something that happened 2-4 generations ago being a point of contention for a community that’s being disproportionately hit by the virus now (Tuskegee) or stupid behavior based upon misguided political fealty to a Cheeto hued God by nitwits it’s all the same result. 

everyone that’s in that group is eligible for the play stupid games and win stupid prizes for 2021. 

as long as we don’t alter when we open society up bc of the misguided belief that we need to protect those refusing the vaccine IDGAF. 
I guess to be fair you have the right to be especially annoyed by whoever you want and cut a break to others for abject stupidity whenever you want, but I’m gently suggesting perhaps it makes sense to apply the same standard of scorn and contempt to be behavioral based, not mitigated by whether or not that person is lined up with you in other issues. 
if we could call balls and strikes impartially and assign contempt
to behavior instead of belief system we might all get along fractionally better. 

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1 hour ago, Wulaw Horn said:

It’s not just the moron MAGA, it’s an overlap with them, distrustful blacks and whacked out crazy hippie liberal types. 
same as all the vaccination things. Same as home school type stuff (minus the blacks in that one). 
It’s a strange bedfellows thing with the anti Vax crowd. 

 

30 minutes ago, mdleast said:

Agreed but at least with those that have been historically distrustful or hippie types against (typically all) vaccinations, there is a consistency in position.  What especially annoys me when I hear/read from any friends, family, Facebook "friends" and people online (including here) who (1) are not medical professionals in any way, shape or form and (2) who I can never recall once before professing any strong opinions or claimed expertise on any prior medical issue and yet they are sudden "experts" on COVD and vaccinations (and in opposition to what the supermajority of true medical professionals/experts are saying).  I mean, isn't it amazing that these people we know who have never professed medical expertise or hot medical opinions previously are suddenly "experts" on this one particular issue?  Isn't that peculiar and amazing that they suddenly gained savant like status on just COVID?  Or, rather, could it be they're just regurgitating the same political hacky bullshit they have heard from others in stupid red hats?

I mean the other groups that are anti-covid vax have probably received your standard vaccinations at one point. This isn't some binary thing you can pin on a political party. The anti-covid vax crowd is pretty damn diverse tbh. 

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I saw a bunch of posts about Florida governor discussing the "covid passport" and actually made the mistake of reading the comments.  Amazing how many people believe this.  They also believe that thousands have died from vaccines, that FDA has not approved and none of them have any valid info to back up their beliefs or they use snippets to support their narrative.  We as a country have way to many people who need to pull their collectives heads out of their ass.   Unfortunately the post I saw was from family.... 

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30 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

 

Corporate Communism?  

If you consider that Rep. Greene, and others of you that support her and her type, probably get their policy guidance from those refrigerator magnet poetry kits we all had in college...the Covid-is-a-Hoax/Dont-get-Vaccinated stuff starts to make more sense.  Magnet Poetry is the only thing that can explain "Corporate Communism", "Jewish Space Lasers", "Disinfectant Injection", or "Gone by Easter"    Nothing but magnets explains any of this insane shit.  But yeah, while we're all dicking around with Congresswomen and magnets, fuck those guys that studies virology for a half century, fucking queers! 

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25 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

You are white knighting for your team.
 

It’s all stupid behavior refusing the Vax. I don’t care if it’s always stupid behavior (hippie dippy types) if it’s stupid behavior based upon something that happened 2-4 generations ago being a point of contention for a community that’s being disproportionately hit by the virus now (Tuskegee) or stupid behavior based upon misguided political fealty to a Cheeto hued God by nitwits it’s all the same result. 

everyone that’s in that group is eligible for the play stupid games and win stupid prizes for 2021. 


as long as we don’t alter when we open society up bc of the misguided belief that we need to protect those refusing the vaccine IDGAF. 
I guess to be fair you have the right to be especially annoyed by whoever you want and cut a break to others for abject stupidity whenever you want, but I’m gently suggesting perhaps it makes sense to apply the same standard of scorn and contempt to be behavioral based, not mitigated by whether or not that person is lined up with you in other issues. 
if we could call balls and strikes impartially and assign contempt

to behavior instead of belief system we might all get along fractionally better. 

I don't have a "team" unless by "team" you mean "those who aren't medical experts who listen to those who are and follow those experts' recommendations." I also agree that any anti-vax behavior is stupid but at least those that have done it historically (though I disagree with it) aren't doing it as part of the mindless Wrestlemania that has become politics these days.  While I think it is misguided (and dangerous) to avoid getting a shot now based on what happened so long ago, I can acknowlege that the Tuskegee mess provides at least some historic basis for at least a kernel of distrust (even if I think that's not a good reason to avoid the shot now and endanger yourself/others).  Likewise, I think those that have been hardcore anti-vaxxers along are (IMO) loons but at least they have been consistently loony.  At the bottom of the list (and, therefore, worthy of the most contempt IMHO) are those now professing sudden medical expertise based on their worship of (non-medical expert) politicians who are advising contrary to what the super-majority of medical experts recommend.

I also agree with you that once we have had the chance to get everyone vaccinated that (correctly) agrees to get it based on the advise of the actual medical experts, I don't think we should then alter opening everything back up for those that misguidedly and/or simply moronically and stubbornly refuse to do so.

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Is there any science I can grab on the whole "if enough people don't get vaxxed the virus will mutate in the unvaxxed and we'll all be fucked" thing?  Is it "YES, THAT WILL HAPPEN" or "that's something we need to be paying attention to, as it has happened with similar viruses" or "that's a thing that is possible, more so over a 20-30 year period" or "that's something that can happen in theory" level of fear?  

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First, I'd like to say to all those who lost someone to this insidious disease, my condolences. 

I took a quick walk down memory lane of this thread this morning.  Interesting to say the least.  What started as a simple post that was followed by typical Surly humor, leading to Reddit links, then postings by every quack on twitter, to serious scientific postings sandwiched by twice as many memes/charts, only to be tainted by the common cast of Surly political hacks, followed by the bait taking bleeding hearts with their hasty judgements and overly emotional responses, only to end in division and typical Surly vitriol, made this thread a classic.

I remember sitting at an airport in Asia over a year ago about to board a flight home, with a mask on mind you, when page 1 of this thread was first posted.  Ironically, two months later mid March, some on this thread attempted to lecture me on the need to inform myself regarding what is happening in the world as i didn't "get it", lol.  Then something something quit calling it the "flu" OMG!  Then on the other side those pissed off because the Houston Rodeo was cancelled.  Others mistaked runs of toilet paper my definition of "panic", lulz.  What an absolutely shitastic thread. Someone should do a timeline of the major ebb and flow of it.  Never change Surly.
  

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1 minute ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Is there any science I can grab on the whole "if enough people don't get vaxxed the virus will mutate in the unvaxxed and we'll all be fucked" thing?  Is it "YES, THAT WILL HAPPEN" or "that's something we need to be paying attention to, as it has happened with similar viruses" or "that's a thing that is possible, more so over a 20-30 year period" or "that's something that can happen in theory" level of fear?  

It's just basic math, and incremental increase in risk.

In a population where all are vaccinated, the virus will have such low transmission that the chances of mutation are very close to zero (not absolute zero, but close to it).

In a population where none are vaccinated, the virus will have such high transmission that the chances of mutation within a given year are very close to 100%.

The more people you have vaccinated, the closer to that zero you get.  The fewer you have vaccinated, the closer to the 100% you get.  It's all about it being more or less likely.  It is very much in our interest as a species to have as many people vaccinated as we can, to lower the risk of mutation (which may then require a whole new vaccination effort).  There's no "absolute number" that is the "we must hit this or we all die." 

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22 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It's just basic math, and incremental increase in risk.

In a population where all are vaccinated, the virus will have such low transmission that the chances of mutation are very close to zero (not absolute zero, but close to it).

In a population where none are vaccinated, the virus will have such high transmission that the chances of mutation within a given year are very close to 100%.

The more people you have vaccinated, the closer to that zero you get.  The fewer you have vaccinated, the closer to the 100% you get.  It's all about it being more or less likely.  It is very much in our interest as a species to have as many people vaccinated as we can, to lower the risk of mutation (which may then require a whole new vaccination effort).  There's no "absolute number" that is the "we must hit this or we all die." 

That's not really my question, it's the background assumption behind it.  My question is more like "Let's say 20% of the population never gets vaccinated.  What are the odds we will have a problem, how soon will it happen and what will the problem be?  Annual flu shots or a renewed pandemic?  Now let's up that to 30%, what changes?"

I get that there are no solid answers to this, but I feel like there's got to be something more concrete than "it's less likely, it's more likely, it's hard to say when, etc."  Is time the big factor (is it more "dangerous" to have 15% unvaxxed for 5 years or 25% unvaxxed for 2 years, etc.)?, how big a difference does each incremental step in the unvaxxed percentage make (is it a fairly nominal curve, or is 30% a lot worse than 25%, 20% a lot better)?  Does it matter if the people who are unvaxxed are clustered geographically vs. spread throughout the country, and does it matter where?  Things like that.  

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1 minute ago, Liquor and Poker said:

That's not really my question, it's the background assumption behind it.  My question is more like "Let's say 20% of the population never gets vaccinated.  What are the odds we will have a problem, how soon will it happen and what will the problem be?  Annual flu shots or a renewed pandemic?  Now let's up that to 30%, what changes?"

I get that there are no solid answers to this, but I feel like there's got to be something more concrete than "it's less likely, it's more likely, it's hard to say when, etc."  Is time the big factor (is it more "dangerous" to have 15% unvaxxed for 5 years or 25% unvaxxed for 2 years, etc.)?, how big a difference does each incremental step in the unvaxxed percentage make (is it a fairly nominal curve, or is 30% a lot worse than 25%, 20% a lot better)?  Does it matter if the people who are unvaxxed are clustered geographically vs. spread throughout the country, and does it matter where?  Things like that.  

Well, I'm pretty damned far from a statistician or epidemiologist, but I DO work with people who do failure analysis of complex systems.  And I suspect they'd say that there's no way to come up with an answer with any real precision at all.  They might be able to come up with some numbers at the high end of each band that are the functional equivalent of 0% chance or 100% chance, but once you get further into the band, there are just too damned many variables and unknowns.  Your observation of density of varying populations is but one of those kajillion factors.

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43 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

First, I'd like to say to all those who lost someone to this insidious disease, my condolences. 

I took a quick walk down memory lane of this thread this morning.  Interesting to say the least.  What started as a simple post that was followed by typical Surly humor, leading to Reddit links, then postings by every quack on twitter, to serious scientific postings sandwiched by twice as many memes/charts, only to be tainted by the common cast of Surly political hacks, followed by the bait taking bleeding hearts with their hasty judgements and overly emotional responses, only to end in division and typical Surly vitriol, making this thread a classic.

I remember sitting at an airport in Asia over a year ago about to board a flight home, with a mask on mind you, when page 1 of this thread was first posted.  Ironically, two months later mid March, some on this thread attempted to lecture me on the need to inform myself regarding what is happening in the world as i didn't "get it", lol.  Then something something quit calling it the "flu" OMG!  Then on the other side those pissed off because the Houston Rodeo was cancelled.  Others mistaking runs of toilet paper my definition of "panic", lulz.  What a absolutely shitastic thread. Someone should do a timeline of the major ebb and flow of it.  Never change Surly.
  

You used the term ‚Äútaint‚ÄĚ.

That is an excellent description for any thread or forum that contains the word in its title.

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19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Well, I'm pretty damned far from a statistician or epidemiologist, but I DO work with people who do failure analysis of complex systems.  And I suspect they'd say that there's no way to come up with an answer with any real precision at all.  They might be able to come up with some numbers at the high end of each band that are the functional equivalent of 0% chance or 100% chance, but once you get further into the band, there are just too damned many variables and unknowns.  Your observation of density of varying populations is but one of those kajillion factors.

I get it's a bit of chaos theory, but I feel like there might be some data from the flu or the smallpox idiots on the west coast that we could mine.

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At this point if someone doesn't want to get vaccinated then that is their choice and they'll have to accept the potential consequences. The rest of us will get vaccinated and the country will move on.

The goal was to prevent hospitals from being flooded and to create a vaccine. We have achieved those goals. This is a good thing. I would have never thought prior to this a certain % of the population would not want a pandemic end. It is so damn bizarre. 

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3 minutes ago, lmao said:

At this point if someone doesn't want to get vaccinated then that is their choice and they'll have to accept the potential consequences. The rest of us will get vaccinated and the country will move on.

The goal was to prevent hospitals from being flooded and to create a vaccine. We have achieved those goals. This is a good thing. I would have never thought prior to this a certain % of the population would not want a pandemic end. It is so damn bizarre. 

Do you mind identifying those individuals who do not want the pandemic to end?

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3 minutes ago, lmao said:

At this point if someone doesn't want to get vaccinated then that is their choice and they'll have to accept the potential consequences. The rest of us will get vaccinated and the country will move on.

The goal was to prevent hospitals from being flooded and to create a vaccine. We have achieved those goals. This is a good thing. I would have never thought prior to this a certain % of the population would not want a pandemic end. It is so damn bizarre. 

 

Outside of a very, very tiny portion of the population that is really loud online, nobody doesn't want the pandemic to end. There's like some tiny fraction of a percent of the population that are nerds who see the restrictions as the great leveling. They didn't have a social life prior and neither do you now! But that's some very very infinitesimal portion of the country. 99.9% of the country wants the pandemic to end. Who are you talking about?

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12 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Do you mind identifying those individuals who do not want the pandemic to end?

I'd say NY's Covid passport will be vestige of the pandemic, like the TSA is our vestige of 9/11, and other agencies and laws that were passed after the aftermath. 

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I mean the other groups that are anti-covid vax have probably received your standard vaccinations at one point. This isn't some binary thing you can pin on a political party. The anti-covid vax crowd is pretty damn diverse tbh. 

It's amazing so many educated people (not specific to this board but it has plenty) have adopted such simpleton, binary world views. Especially when such obvious evidence is more accessible than ever, even from partisan sites. People's ability to completely ignore contradictory evidence is astounding.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/coronavirus-vaccine-trump-2020-election_n_5f60cc29c5b65fd7b8550ef9

"Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) joined over a dozen other Senate Democrats in asking the FDA to commit to a transparent review process for potential vaccines.¬†‚ÄúWe are concerned that the accelerated timeline and intense political pressure around the vaccine development process could have the unintended consequence of undermining public confidence in the safety and quality of an eventual vaccine,‚ÄĚ the senators wrote in a letter on Monday."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/anti-vaxxers-feed-off-democrats-skepticism-of-covid-vaccine/ar-BB19KESg

"On September 24, New York governor Andrew Cuomo said the state will independently review all vaccines authorized by the federal government. "Frankly, I'm not going to trust the federal government's opinion and I wouldn't recommend to New Yorkers based on the federal government's opinion," he said in a statement. This lack of trust in the government was picked up on by some anti-vax groups, saying Cuomo was reiterating their own arguments against vaccines generally. Cuomo's spokesman Richard Azzopardi responded to these groups, telling Newsweek "the anti-science crowd should knock it off and stop twisting our words." "What we don't trust is a federal government that has been caught red-handed multiple times circumventing the health experts and ‎making political decisions seemingly to boost the president's re-election chances."

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While the number people who literally don't want it to end are infinitesimal, the number of decision makers(politicians, health officials) who have literally ZERO appetite for risk and the people affected by those decisions is a huge percentage of the population.

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6 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

While the number people who literally don't want it to end are infinitesimal, the number of decision makers(politicians, health officials) who have literally ZERO appetite for risk and the people affected by those decisions is a huge percentage of the population.

Not sure that's true.  Lotta money to be made in the pandemic.  Amazon, streaming services, door dash - folks having record years while others languish.

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19 minutes ago, Kyle said:

It's amazing so many educated people (not specific to this board but it has plenty) have adopted such simpleton, binary world views. Especially when such obvious evidence is more accessible than ever, even from partisan sites. People's ability to completely ignore contradictory evidence is astounding.

 

A call for more nuanced and intellectual thought by surly members, brought to you by the poster who said this:

"Bless your heart. Whataboutism is so cute. I has to intimidate you Betas a hot chick as sharp as her ... hence why a stupid cow like Psaki is more fitting of your Beta bedroom prowess ... all trying to perform while longing to be a ABCDEFG+_*/ affirmation of Betaness."

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Just now, Incredulity said:

While the number people who literally don't want it to end are infinitesimal, the number of decision makers(politicians, health officials) who have literally ZERO appetite for risk and the people affected by those decisions is a huge percentage of the population.

What gets me is how they couch -- or fail to couch -- risk.

As I've said here before, some statements and understanding EARLY about balancing risks, and the level of acceptable risk, would have been REALLY helpful.  And we got it from nobody.  I would have been thrilled had some significant leadership said early on that what makes this particular virus a special problem we have to deal with is that it spreads very easily, and has a higher rate of serious illness and death than comparable illnesses, so that it results in us having way too many people seriously ill and hospitalized, as well as dying.  Our goal is to attack this illness with a combination of public health measures (like masks and testing and tracing), developing therapeutics to reduce the severity of the illness when it is contracted, and ultimately, developing vaccines which reduce the frequency and severity of the illness, so that we can turn "deadly and very virulent" COVID into "not more deadly and virulent than other respiratory viruses we have learned to live with, like the seasonal flu."  When we get to that point, then we will have won this battle.  We will likely have to continue to work to make it even less common, and less serious, but that is the work we do in the next phase.  Be patient, and work with us all together, and we can get to that point.

We didn't get it from anywhere.  Instead, we got stupid extremes of risk assessment pushed for myriad reasons -- emotions, irrationality, politics, etc.  The two dominant "risk" themes were 1) "I can do what I want, and judge my own risks, so let me do whatever with no restrictions" (which is asinine because it utterly fails to account for the fact that when you are dealing with a virus, YOUR risk imposes risk on OTHERS), and 2) "any risk is too much!  One death is one death too many!" (which is asinine because it sets an unachievable goal, and condemns us to living in a "state of war" for what will likely be a decade).  Neither one includes any real balancing of public health needs, economic needs and effects, emotional health and safety, etc.  That balanced approach -- or at least any clear and controlling message on it -- has been non-existent.  It fucking blows me away, and makes me pretty ragey.  At everyone.  I've made no secret of the fact that I thought the Trump admin screwed the pooch a hundred different ways.  And while I'm pleased with the logistical and focused approach of the Biden admin in the vaccine rollout...I find the admin's lack of good and hopeful messaging very frustrating.

We need a fucking achievable goal.  Otherwise, people give up, and/or just fight with each other.  Tell the "muh freedoms I get to do what I want!" crowd to fuck off.  Tell the "how dare you let one person be at risk of catching COVID!" crowd to fuck off.  Then craft a sane, balanced approach and tell folks that's how it's gonna be.

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2 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

 

A call for more nuanced and intellectual thought by surly members, brought to you by the poster who said this:

"Bless your heart. Whataboutism is so cute. I has to intimidate you Betas a hot chick as sharp as her ... hence why a stupid cow like Psaki is more fitting of your Beta bedroom prowess ... all trying to perform while longing to be a ABCDEFG+_*/ affirmation of Betaness."

I'm flattered, but I'm married.

Sue me, I can be serious and sarcastic. (that what many of the binary tribals can't figure out) Trying to reason with people that think Circle Back Sake is amazing at her job is like telling Majorie Taylor Green Jewish Space Lazers are not a thing.

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Just now, Kyle said:

I'm flattered, but I'm married.

Sue me, I can be serious and sarcastic. (that what many of the binary tribals can't figure out)


Binary tribals.

LMAO. Shut the fuck up you dumb ass hick.

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We need a fucking achievable goal.  Otherwise, people give up, and/or just fight with each other.  Tell the "muh freedoms I get to do what I want!" crowd to fuck off.  Tell the "how dare you let one person be at risk of catching COVID!" crowd to fuck off.  Then craft a sane, balanced approach and tell folks that's how it's gonna be.

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3 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Should have used hillbilly like in Wedding Crashers. Then somebody could post a gif. 

 

"WHITE TRASH"

"What are you talking about?!"

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