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39 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Oh a fun fact that doesn't have to do much with anything but gets to some of the financials.  Hospitals clean up on electives which are on pause.  Also they are leaving as much capacity as possible bed wise...so NW currently is charging 30M less per day in their system so that's a real time hit of about 15M per day.  When you're doing billions a year that's not too crazy and I'm definitely not saying feel sorry for the bastards but just some big numbers all around. 

Yep, hospitals are taking this on the chin.  

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43 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

NW has around 100 COVID patients hospitalized.  They still have some vent capacity but not much.  Swedish Covenant on the north side down to one vent left and starting to flood.  Latest predictions in Chicago market are a spike starting around April 1 and peaking April 14. 

Oh a fun fact that doesn't have to do much with anything but gets to some of the financials.  Hospitals clean up on electives which are on pause.  Also they are leaving as much capacity as possible bed wise...so NW currently is charging 30M less per day in their system so that's a real time hit of about 15M per day.  When you're doing billions a year that's not too crazy and I'm definitely not saying feel sorry for the bastards but just some big numbers all around. 

And does anyone have the social distancing grades by city?  Chicago was doing well but it's still cold as shit here.  That's my theory because as a whole we are certainly  no smarter around these parts. 

Stay safe out there...

social distancing in a dense city.  good luck.

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2 hours ago, StruggleBus said:

I’m mildly annoyed by some nurses on Facebook lecturing everyone that they should be donating masks to local hospitals, and they’re assholes if they don’t. 

I don’t understand the sentiment that people who prepared for this situation should give up their supplies to people, in the healthcare profession, that didn’t. They should be bitching at the hospital they work for being unprepared.

I say this as someone that donated masks to a local hospital.

I’ve had the same thoughts.  What I found amusing was the strategy of arguing that “the masks aren’t even meant to protect the one wearing it” in order to get people to give them away to healthcare professionals and not hoard them.

If they don’t protect the wearer, then why do the healthcare professionals want them? Riddle me that whydontcha?!?  

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10 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

I’ve had the same thoughts.  What I found amusing was the strategy of arguing that “the masks aren’t even meant to protect the one wearing it” in order to get people to give them away to healthcare professionals and not hoard them.

If they don’t protect the wearer, then why do the healthcare professionals want them? Riddle me that whydontcha?!?  

Might have something to do with healthcare workers being in close proximity to the sickest members of the population everyday for hours at a time. But yes please keep your 100 masks to wear on your once a week 20 minute trip to the store, you need it more than anyone. Fuck those piece of shit doctors and nurses.

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5 hours ago, Patricio Swayze said:

The person at my office who was suspected of being infected last week has been confirmed positive. I assume I did not have direct contact with this person as our HSE group hasn’t called me. But who knows if I had contact with someone that did and so in and so forth.

I thought Home Sports Entertainment went out of business a long time ago?

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6 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Much easier when it's still at freezing and the bars are closed.  

Regarding the electives, are the rooms booked solid most of the time, or will there be availability to perform the backlog along with the normal new scheduled stuff once we are past this, such that the hospitals will make up their missing income?  

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5 hours ago, Hpara759 said:

There is a "hot spot" up in the Panhandle .... Small Town  Nazareth......there are 6 confirmed cases from there.....last I heard 3 on vents in Amarillo 1 in hospital (no vent yet) and 2 at home.....ages 16 thru 80's

It's in Castro Co which went on lock down yesterday.

Nazareth pop. Around 300.....% pretty damn high

Fuck, and they're all fucking related in that town.  Google Hoops of Nazareth by Wright Thompson if you want to read something amazing. 

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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

Our death rate looks really good compared to other countries. Do we have data on why?  Or still guessing the same things like touching, smoking?

Death stats lag, plus, with the exception of NYC and Atlanta, our healthcare systems aren’t overrun yet?

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Death stats lag, plus, with the exception of NYC and Atlanta, our healthcare systems aren’t overrun yet?

Our testing also lagged though, but yes. Besides a couple of places, there isn't a run on the hospitals yet. 

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1 hour ago, Modessit said:
4 hours ago, Hmmm said:
You certainly did, and I countered a bit.  People like you thinking outside the box, along with those building the open-source ventilators.  There's not much different between the Raspberry Pi (you suggested) compared to the Arduino used for the open-source ventilators.  Both are primarily used for open-source projects, as I understand.

Get me the parts list and schematic/ board layout of the 80s versions of ventilator cpus and I probably have the necessary parts in the garage to build some. I can burn ROMs too if anyone has some code. No need to go full TTL.

IN.  But, depends on work which is a shit storm.  Parts list = BOM (Bill of Materials), in current industry.  Do not have a soldering iron, voltage meter, or oscilliscope (probably not needed).  Burn ROMs?  That still a thing?  Very well could be but I haven't heard that term used in a long while.

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Just now, ChiTownDoc said:

Can't stress how underreported we are with those numbers.  WAY higher guys

For the sake of this thread, can we get some sort of common terminology for "confirmed cases".  I've seen the word "cases" thrown around a bunch, without knowing whether or not they are confirmed diagnosis. 

Thank you for your insight.

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4 minutes ago, Hmmm said:

For the sake of this thread, can we get some sort of common terminology for "confirmed cases".  I've seen the word "cases" thrown around a bunch, without knowing whether or not they are confirmed diagnosis. 

Thank you for your insight.

It’s the Wild West with reporting and how cases are confirmed or whatever.  This gives some insight.  


https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/24/coronavirus-cases-in-texas-why-the-numbers-are-different-everywhere/

 

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4 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Can't stress how underreported we are with those numbers.  WAY higher guys

While true, do the numbers actually matter anymore? NYC is testing more people than anywhere in the country, but it is still hard to get tested there unless you are in really bad shape. I have several friends there now that have been trying to get tested for days, getting told no luck unless you need to be in the hospital. 

I just think the numbers are meaningless now, look at hospital numbers, follow those trends. Houston testing 500 or so a day and running out today is ridiculous. The state of Texas has failed the "testing" part of this with flying colors. Let's hope we are better on the hospital side. 

 

 

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Our death rate looks really good compared to other countries. Do we have data on why?  Or still guessing the same things like touching, smoking?

I’d say you’re right on a lot of that...we’re real spread out as a nation besides a few pockets.

Worldometers has us at 3 deaths per 1 million people. China at 2(yea right), Germany at 2 and South Korea at 3.

Italy at 124, Spain at 78

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37 minutes ago, Lobwedgephil said:

While true, do the numbers actually matter anymore? NYC is testing more people than anywhere in the country, but it is still hard to get tested there unless you are in really bad shape. I have several friends there now that have been trying to get tested for days, getting told no luck unless you need to be in the hospital. 

I just think the numbers are meaningless now, look at hospital numbers, follow those trends. Houston testing 500 or so a day and running out today is ridiculous. The state of Texas has failed the "testing" part of this with flying colors. Let's hope we are better on the hospital side. 

 

 

No don’t think they matter that much right now.  When we try to move out of quarantine testing numbers and mapping where positives are vs antibody tests to see who has already had the COVID will make sense.  
 

Right now though, it doesn’t need to be a main priority but it would help to get more testing for sure.  

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32 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Our death rate looks really good compared to other countries. Do we have data on why?  Or still guessing the same things like touching, smoking?

I’m biased but the US of A still has the best fucking hospitals on the planet.  Now healthcare can be debated and let’s not go CR.  But the actual care in hospitals, should you end up in one, is the best.  

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Hays County going hard.  

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Hays County adds curfew to stay-at-home order. The order is effective beginning at 11 p.m. March 26 through 4 a.m. April 10. A curfew from 11 p.m. to 4 a.m. is in effect during that timeframe, exempting essential workers.

Is this a case of somebody telling hem they’ll get a few more points on the social distancing scale?  Are they that concerned about activities between 11pm-4am?

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Saw a blurb on TV - the 17 year-old who died in California, was only confirmed after his death.  No underlying issues, had respiratory problems but wasn’t treated for them, and criteria wasn’t met for testing.  Originally listed as septic shock, and apparently covid can cause sepsis.  

Crazy thing, the family didn’t know he was the dead minor listed in the news.  It sounded like his father was also positive, and they are concerned that he spread it at the funeral from handshakes and hugs and whatnot.   I didn’t catch all of it, so not sure if they tested the father, or he was presumed positive based on symptoms.  

Edit.  More info

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-24/lancaster-teenage-boy-dies-of-coronavirus-father-also-infected

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35 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I’m biased but the US of A still has the best fucking hospitals on the planet.  Now healthcare can be debated and let’s not go CR.  But the actual care in hospitals, should you end up in one, is the best.  

This is true if you live in a major metropolitan area. In rural areas, it's a different story. 

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30 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Hays County going hard.  

Is this a case of somebody telling hem they’ll get a few more points on the social distancing scale?  Are they that concerned about activities between 11pm-4am?

It makes it easier to police and cuts down on criminal mischief, which could be important if the ChiCom virus reduces the number of LEO's available or the economy gets worse as this drags on.  It also cuts down on late night partying, beer runs, shenanigans, etc. by any of the students and support riffraff still hanging around San Marcos.  Seems like a good idea. 

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2 minutes ago, RPM said:

This is true if you live in a major metropolitan area. In rural areas, it's a different story. 

Our rural backwoods shitholes compare favorably to other rural backwoods shitholes. 

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19 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

RIP Bill 3. 

Didn't he live in Sinton?

do you not focusness?

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3 hours ago, Bevo VIII said:

San Antonio now to 84 cases and 3 deaths. 3 days in a row cases jumped by 12+

 

3 hours ago, StruggleBus said:

I have a family member in SA working in the ER at a hospital here. They have 30 or so confirmed or expected confirmed patients. They also have drugs to continue treating those patients for the next few days, with no ETA on when they’ll receive more. 

I’m in SA and I’ll continue to just chill at home. It’s pretty apparent that the hospitals here are woefully underprepared for this.

I shared an email last week from my mom’s doctor in San Antonio. Hers’s the interesting part from this week’s email. This is not a large practice, it’s 2 docs. Like @ChiTownDocsays the real numbers at this point have to be way higher.

Dear Patients,

I hope that this email finds each of you healthy, safe, and as contented as social distancing will allow.  A friend said the other day, “We are building this ship as it sails.” 

To recap this past week:

•    My office has  tested 27 patients for Covid-19.
•    Those tests have been administered in my office with no physical contact between my staff and patients.
•    We have had 8 positive Covid-19 test results.  Those patients’ ages range from 19-67 years old.
•    The majority of those positive test results were travel related (patients coming back from Aspen, Vail, and New York).
•    All 8 patients were treated with hydochloroquine (Plaquenil) and azithromycin.  Hydochloroquine is the drug I referred to in last week’s email.  
•    4 of 8 patients have finished their treatment and are doing remarkably well.  

The two symptoms that I have observed that are always present with Covid-19 are fever and cough.   The fever is always greater than 101.5.  The reason fever is so high, is because this virus is a novel threat to human immune systems. Because we have never been exposed to this particular virus, our immune system has an aggressive reaction to it.  I have read research stating that gastrointestinal issues could be a symptom. However my office has tested 3 people who had gastrointestinal problems, low fever (below 101), but no  cough. All 3 of those patients were negative.  If you have any questions whatsoever about symptoms you are experiencing, please call me. “

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Chitown what’s your assessment on Washington state? Or anyone you know have any opinion.

Outside of the absolute worst case scenario of the breakout in a nursing home, How do you think their out look looks like? They’ve been in this thing for well over 2 months. the connections with Asia is definitely there for all of February.


They’re on about a 7 day double for cases from 1180-2500.

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Just now, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Chitown what’s your assessment on Washington state? Or anyone you know have any opinion.

Outside of the absolute worst case scenario of the breakout in a nursing home, How do you think their out look looks like? They’ve been in this thing for well over 2 months. the connections with Asia is definitely there for all of February.


They’re on about a 7 day double for cases from 1180-2500.

I’ll have to research a bit but I’m thinking they’re finally gonna see relief with numbers over the next 5-7 days while the rest of us ramp up. 
 

 I think you were the one who asked about virility/morbidity here vs Europe/Asia.  It’s been a few days and we have more data.  I guessed at the time that we had a less virulent/potent strain.  I do think we have better hospitals but I also think our strain is weaker.  There was a good read on it after we guessed that with some facts supporting it.  I’ll dig later.  Need some rest before more chaos tomorrow.  

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12 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I’ll have to research a bit but I’m thinking they’re finally gonna see relief with numbers over the next 5-7 days while the rest of us ramp up. 
 

 I think you were the one who asked about virility/morbidity here vs Europe/Asia.  It’s been a few days and we have more data.  I guessed at the time that we had a less virulent/potent strain.  I do think we have better hospitals but I also think our strain is weaker.  There was a good read on it after we guessed that with some facts supporting it.  I’ll dig later.  Need some rest before more chaos tomorrow.  

good luck bro. hang in there. sleep good. 

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There is some interesting information on how they calculated swine flu in these links

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/pdf/details_eip_methods_plus_schematic.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3375879/

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates/April_October_17.htm

interestingly there were only about 100K confirmed cases of swine by states 27K state confirmed hospitalizations and approx 3.4K state confirmed deaths(wikipedia page) for all of swine flu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States

In Oct 2009(6 months since first case) CDC estimated 4000 deaths and somehow came up with a number of 22M cases.  In other words the CDC says they never had an accurate count of swine deaths

The interesting thing was how they estimated the cases

"‡‡‡ Corrected for under-reporting: Cases: Case estimates calculated as 221.79 of hospitalizations. This factor was calculated using the median estimates of cases (3.052 million) and hospitalizations (13,764) from Reed et al"

so they made an estimate based on estimates,  221 x # of hospitalizations.  They estimated the number of 22M by multiplying  221  x median estimate of 97K hospitalizations.

There is some really fuzzy math going on.  I assume they used the same math to come up with 60M cases and 12K deaths after it was basically over in April 2010

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5 hours ago, StruggleBus said:

I’m mildly annoyed by some nurses on Facebook lecturing everyone that they should be donating masks to local hospitals, and they’re assholes if they don’t. 

I don’t understand the sentiment that people who prepared for this situation should give up their supplies to people, in the healthcare profession, that didn’t. They should be bitching at the hospital they work for being unprepared.

I say this as someone that donated masks to a local hospital.

Yes. Even more annoyed when being lied to even if it’s for a good cause. Nurses in my neighborhood Facebook group started the shaming over a week ago by saying they were already out of PPE and re-using gloves at various Seton hospitals. No you weren’t. Just come out say you are trying to conserve and stock up for the coming wave? Don’t lie. 
Not going to quote him, but Yankee fan didn’t address the point that if people say the masks are ineffective, why do they need them? They should at least admit that they offer some protection depending on the filter material. 
Agree with the overall premise though. If this outbreak went another way or during the next one, and we had a shortage of food, water, medicine, electricity, etc., based on this it seems like “preppers” would be shamed to hell for not sharing or outright donating 100% of their stuff, while it’s en vogue to mock preppers most of the time. They were being responsible for themselves and their families ahead of time at the expense of no one, and now in times of shortage it’s their fault?

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IN.  But, depends on work which is a shit storm.  Parts list = BOM (Bill of Materials), in current industry.  Do not have a soldering iron, voltage meter, or oscilliscope (probably not needed).  Burn ROMs?  That still a thing?  Very well could be but I haven't heard that term used in a long while.

Which is why I mentioned the 80s versions. I doubt it was all TTL and probably used ROMs. I fixed 80s arcade games for a long time and have a shitload of PCBs that can be scavenged and drawers of parts. I'm not setup to do SMT but thruhole is simple. I've still got most of my soldering bench - no scope. Normally I'm just fixing (when possible) electronic toys my kids or my wife's students break. It's also helpful for picking up free non-working HDTVs and fixing them for the house for less than $20. I can fix broken shit, or put builds together, but I can't design it from scratch.

 

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5 hours ago, Helobious said:

Might have something to do with healthcare workers being in close proximity to the sickest members of the population everyday for hours at a time. But yes please keep your 100 masks to wear on your once a week 20 minute trip to the store, you need it more than anyone. Fuck those piece of shit doctors and nurses.

Seriously, the raw selfishness of a huge portion of our society is sickening.  Me, me, me, me, me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cunts

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