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49 minutes ago, Deej said:

I'm thinking they wait to fire Shaka until we are ready to move into the new arena. New digs, new coach. Imagine a new coach dropping a Shaka-like turd heading into christening the new place? One more year of Shaka lowering the bar.

I don't see any way that he survives this season.

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1 hour ago, Deej said:

I'm thinking they wait to fire Shaka until we are ready to move into the new arena. New digs, new coach. Imagine a new coach dropping a Shaka-like turd heading into christening the new place? One more year of Shaka lowering the bar.

Lulz. He’s gone very quickly. Possibly before March. 

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You guys have a lot of confidence in an athletics department that doesn't seem to have any balls.

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Well I saw Herman forced to change over his entire staff. I strongly suspect that wasn’t his sole choice. 

Shaka is gone, absent a miracle Sweet 16 run, and he might not make it through conference play. 

Pierce and Herman won’t see 2021 if they don’t have significantly better seasons.  

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Yeah, I don't see him getting fired before the season is over.

I do see him getting fired the day after the season ends.

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18 hours ago, Deej said:

You guys have a lot of confidence in an athletics department that doesn't seem to have any balls.

That may have been the case before CDC arrived, but it isn't anymore.

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28 minutes ago, MoJames said:

Is anyone actually watching the games?

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hey our team isn't dead yet; we're only mostly dead. 

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On 1/14/2020 at 8:02 PM, Deej said:

You guys have a lot of confidence in an athletics department that doesn't seem to have any balls.

There’s no mystery here, the balls are not present. The ovaries however are intact and producing loads of estrogen. Style over substance. Cash over wins. It’s a pattern.

Edited by El Squared

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Beating KSU and Okie St didn't mean much, those are the two worst teams in the Big 12. Baylor bitch slapped Shaka despite playing their worst game of the season. I'll be genuinely surprised if Texas wins 8 conference games.

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21 minutes ago, GotThatFire said:

How long has this dude been the coach here? I legit can’t remember. It’s all a blur. 

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Maybe that's Shaka's plan---play such a dreary, unwatchable brand of basketball that, after a while, the powers-that-be can't even bring themselves to think about our men's basketball team.

The extensions will just roll out on auto pilot.

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5 hours ago, GotThatFire said:

How long has this dude been the coach here? I legit can’t remember. It’s all a blur. 

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It might be a blur because, as one of the announcers said in the 2nd half:

 "Shaka Smart is one of the great motivators in college basketball."

🙄

 

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7 hours ago, Tired Horn said:

I wasn't even excited about winning it last year.

Who did we play?

That's how memorable it is.

 

Edited by Nueces River Rat

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9 hours ago, Napoleon said:


It might be a blur because, as one of the announcers said in the 2nd half:

 "Shaka Smart is one of the great motivators in college basketball."

🙄

 

ESPN overhyping one of our coaches again.   Go figure.

Thank goodness Herbstreet doesn't do a basketball gig or he'd be calling our fanbase a dumpster fire or something like that for suggesting we should accept mediocrity.  

 

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49 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

ESPN overhyping one of our coaches again.   Go figure.

Thank goodness Herbstreet doesn't do a basketball gig or he'd be calling our fanbase a dumpster fire or something like that for suggesting we should accept mediocrity.  

 

ESPN is more into PC optics than results.

Edited by Horn80

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2 hours ago, Nueces River Rat said:

ESPN overhyping one of our coaches again.   Go figure.

Thank goodness Herbstreet doesn't do a basketball gig or he'd be calling our fanbase a dumpster fire or something like that for suggesting we should accept mediocrity.  

 

Yeah, the commentators going over the top in support of Shaka Smart being a “great coach” and running down the players was nauseating. This fucking fraud is a piece of shit as a coach. 

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On 1/9/2020 at 10:40 AM, dcar00 said:

 

Fenves is an idiot.  that quote says it all.

I don't think Fenves is all that interested in athletics.  I'm pretty sure he delegates all of that to the AD, as any university president probably should.

I think having an interim AD forced Fenves' involvement to a greater degree than would otherwise be seen.  He's been virtually silent on matters athletic since CDC came aboard.

So, that quote is just a bunch of happy crappy probably written for him by some athletic department minion to make Perrin look like less of an "empty suit."  I put that in quotes because I don't think Perrin is actually an empty suit in his usual capacities.  He was out of his depth as an AD, of course.

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36 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I don't think Fenves is all that interested in athletics.  I'm pretty sure he delegates all of that to the AD, as any university president probably should.

I think having an interim AD forced Fenves' involvement to a greater degree than would otherwise be seen.  He's been virtually silent on matters athletic since CDC came aboard.

So, that quote is just a bunch of happy crappy probably written for him by some athletic department minion to make Perrin look like less of an "empty suit."  I put that in quotes because I don't think Perrin is actually an empty suit in his usual capacities.  He was out of his depth as an AD, of course.

Fenves getting on a plane with Perrin and Strong to go hire the Tulsa guy was embarrassing especially considering the abysmal results.  

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1 minute ago, Horn80 said:

Fenves getting on a plane with Perrin and Strong to go hire the Tulsa guy was embarrassing especially considering the abysmal results.  

And that, I believe, was a product of an interim AD following a disastrous hire at AD and HFC.

Not Fenves' preferred capacity, nor should it have ever been.  Powers' involvement with the athletic department, really only football, is/was unprecedented as far as I can tell and did not improve things..

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11 minutes ago, Horn80 said:

Fenves getting on a plane with Perrin and Strong to go hire the Tulsa guy was embarrassing especially considering the abysmal results.  

That really was.  At the time, I liked his "let's do whatever to get this shit done" to salvage Strong's career attitude.  But almost immediately afterwards, it became a very awkward anecdote about our University.  Reminds me of Dean Gilligan being used to recruit a golfer for our team, which he considered to be beneath his station at the time. 

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On 1/15/2020 at 3:02 PM, MoJames said:

Is anyone actually watching the games?

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Bucky and Erin said there had to be less than 7,000 in attendance against Kansas.

But I wouldn't know, because I don't actually watch the games. 

I quit in January of 2018 after we blew a 62-50 lead over Okie State with 6 minutes to go and managed to lose 64-65.  I have never seen more pathetic basketball in my life, and I chose to discontinue watching for the sake of my health and my tv's health. 

I keep hoping for the day that this thread is no longer needed.

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I'd be surprised if there were 7,000 there.  I do know that there was a pretty large continent of KU fans.  They were sitting all around us and made almost as much noise as the Longhorns crowd.  I never for a second thought we were actually going to win the game, even when we were up 8, but at least they played competitively.  I really wasn't expecting that.

 

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On 1/19/2020 at 10:07 AM, closetojumping said:

Yeah, the commentators going over the top in support of Shaka Smart being a “great coach” and running down the players was nauseating. This fucking fraud is a piece of shit as a coach. 

it was almost humorous listening to Fran run down players and fans and not even mentioning the shitty coach Shaka is.  his shitty coaching is what is causing the fan and player disinterest.  Once you are in the coaching franternity I guess you are protected.  one fucking magical "we can't miss" run and the guy is untouchable apparently.

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2 hours ago, jinx said:

Bucky and Erin said there had to be less than 7,000 in attendance against Kansas.

The sad thing is, I am sure we sold a lot more than 7,000 tickets

you would think a more-than-half-empty arena for Kansas-- basically the best game we get in Austin every year-- would be a serious wakeup call for CDC, but... we sold a bunch of tickets. Who cares if we won or anyone was actually AT the game? The money still came a-rollin' in. We didn't get humiliated on the scoreboard. No brawls, etc. 

All in all, I think it's a win for the athletic department. 

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yeah the box score says attendance was just under 12,000-- if that's based on turnstiles, then Bucky and Erin are (gasp) wrong about something.

If it's based on ticket sales, then I (gasp) am right about something. Our fan base has become so apathetic thanks to the tail end of the Rick Barnes era and every single minute of the Shaka Smart era that they won't even turn out for a top-5 Kansas team.

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58 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

Our fan base has become so apathetic thanks to the tail end of the Rick Barnes era and every single minute of the Shaka Smart era that they won't even turn out for a top-5 Kansas team.

It's not "thanks to the end of the Rick Barnes era"--the fan base has always been apathetic towards basketball. Show me a Texas Longhorn sports fan and I'll show you a guy who is a whiz about the game of college football and knows jack-dick about the sport of college basketball.

Look no further than surlyhorns. There are more posts on here about the NBA than about our team, on a LONGHORNS forum.

Edited by Camelback80

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1 hour ago, SwanderedTalent said:

The sad thing is, I am sure we sold a lot more than 7,000 tickets

you would think a more-than-half-empty arena for Kansas-- basically the best game we get in Austin every year-- would be a serious wakeup call for CDC, but... we sold a bunch of tickets. Who cares if we won or anyone was actually AT the game? The money still came a-rollin' in. We didn't get humiliated on the scoreboard. No brawls, etc. 

All in all, I think it's a win for the athletic department. 

As the percentage of revenue coming from TV deals becomes larger, the sight of a half-empty arena becomes less important to the people running the business of Texas sports. To wit, I talked to Steve Ross about this recently and he noted that basketball revenue has been basically flat the last few years regardless of on-court results. There wasn't a massive dip in revenue during the 11-win season which might have sent a bigger message to the AD 15-20 years ago. The fact that more and more seats/suites are being bought by businesses looking to entertain clients than fans and it tends to stabilize the revenue stream. This is a bigger thing in the pro ranks, but with the lack of top-level pro teams in Austin it probably plays a bigger role than one might otherwise expect.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong that things are this way, it's just the modern-day sports revenue situation in more and more sports. MLB seems like another place where this manifests, where a team like Tampa Bay can make money despite having such fan apathy nobody has even updated their Wikipedia history page to include the last 5 seasons. Football is probably the outlier to this situation, though if ESPN & CBS continue to pour money into those deals it might fall in line one day as well.

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2 hours ago, SwanderedTalent said:

The sad thing is, I am sure we sold a lot more than 7,000 tickets

you would think a more-than-half-empty arena for Kansas-- basically the best game we get in Austin every year-- would be a serious wakeup call for CDC, but... we sold a bunch of tickets. Who cares if we won or anyone was actually AT the game? The money still came a-rollin' in. We didn't get humiliated on the scoreboard. No brawls, etc. 

All in all, I think it's a win for the athletic department. 

as long as you can write off ticket costs as a business expense tickets will get sold.  

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1 hour ago, Bitterwhiteguy said:

As the percentage of revenue coming from TV deals becomes larger, the sight of a half-empty arena becomes less important to the people running the business of Texas sports. To wit, I talked to Steve Ross about this recently and he noted that basketball revenue has been basically flat the last few years regardless of on-court results. There wasn't a massive dip in revenue during the 11-win season which might have sent a bigger message to the AD 15-20 years ago. The fact that more and more seats/suites are being bought by businesses looking to entertain clients than fans and it tends to stabilize the revenue stream. This is a bigger thing in the pro ranks, but with the lack of top-level pro teams in Austin it probably plays a bigger role than one might otherwise expect.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong that things are this way, it's just the modern-day sports revenue situation in more and more sports. MLB seems like another place where this manifests, where a team like Tampa Bay can make money despite having such fan apathy nobody has even updated their Wikipedia history page to include the last 5 seasons. Football is probably the outlier to this situation, though if ESPN & CBS continue to pour money into those deals it might fall in line one day as well.

This is a good post and I appreciate the further insight, but it could have used the phrase "that's right" at the start of it. It sounds like you're well-ackshally'ing me even though we are making the same point. Basketball needs to generate a certain minimum threshold of revenue. As long as that threshold is met, results on the court are at best a secondary concern. 

It's overly pessimistic to say "that's our MO around here" but darkly satisfying to use that to explain why football only has one national title and fewer than ten conference championships over the past 40 years. 

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So who is the hot available coaching prodigy out there? Shaka, the job was too big for you when hired and you never grew to fill it.  Best wishes and god speed, but it’s evident it’s time to move on.

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Shaka doesn’t just suck at in game adjustments and any type of offensive game planning but I’ve been saying for years he doesn’t recruit basketball kids with IQ or any that can fucking shoot, he recruits athletes with raw basketball skills that never develop because he blows ass. Whoever the new coach is I hope he recruits shooters and even the occasional euro kid that’s 6’10 and shoot. 

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