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some of the lines we've had could do one or the other(run or pass) but not both.  I dream of having one of those lines.

It is funny that people didn't see that Flood was a problem when everyone was bitching about red zone failures for the last 3 years.  that is/was directly related to your OL underperforming.

He brought in Neal Brown because he needed to have some plays in the red zone that would be successful when your OL sucks and you can't power yourself through the defense.  

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6 hours ago, mwaadeeb said:

I felt like Flood could pick em and coach em. Now I wonder if Flood can pick em or coach em. Bummer.

Are we sure flood picks them? From what CTJ has said Sark and Banks pretty much make every decision unless I’m misremembering how he phrased it. 

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4 minutes ago, SOHHvet08 said:

 

 

At least he's doing something I guess. But Stroh and Hutson will still be fat and slow no matter who they bring in. The offensive scheme needs to change until we have better personnel. Can the veer and shoot be installed in 5 days?

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8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Are we sure flood picks them? From what CTJ has said Sark and Banks pretty much make every decision unless I’m misremembering how he phrased it. 

Sark, Banks and Brandon Harris identify the big targets for the assistants to pursue. It became a source of friction with Kenny Baker (who had his own DL targets he wanted to pursue) the previous cycle.

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2 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:

I was trying to remember the last time Texas had a good oline. Last year couldn’t get a push to save their lives, so don’t tell me that one.

We lost four guys off that OL and they are all currently on NFL rosters. Something is very, very wrong.

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2 hours ago, TXpride said:

At least he's doing something I guess. But Stroh and Hutson will still be fat and slow no matter who they bring in. The offensive scheme needs to change until we have better personnel. Can the veer and shoot be installed in 5 days?

agree.  there is little you can do during the season but bringing someone in to at least put new eyes on what you are doing could help incrementally.  intradasting this guy was QC for Ohio State the last 2 years.  

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43 minutes ago, Red Five said:

We lost four guys off that OL and they are all currently on NFL rosters. Something is very, very wrong.

The ASU game was extremely concerning.  Their DL worked us over.

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cam williams should have kept his fat ass in austin.  or hell maybe he made the right choice.  nobody on the OL is better than they were last year.  it feels like sark’s success has peaked in the previous two seasons and now we are beginning the steady decline that will last 2-3 years until we burn it to the ground and start over. 

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4 minutes ago, futureman said:

cam williams should have kept his fat ass in austin.  or hell maybe he made the right choice.  nobody on the OL is better than they were last year.  it feels like sark’s success has peaked in the previous two seasons and now we are beginning the steady decline that will last 2-3 years until we burn it to the ground and start over. 

Luckily, the portal can allow for quick fixes. Not saying that we will do it, but things can turn around faster now.

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20 minutes ago, futureman said:

cam williams should have kept his fat ass in austin.  or hell maybe he made the right choice.  nobody on the OL is better than they were last year.  it feels like sark’s success has peaked in the previous two seasons and now we are beginning the steady decline that will last 2-3 years until we burn it to the ground and start over. 

Let's work on our attitude.

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41 minutes ago, futureman said:

cam williams should have kept his fat ass in austin.  or hell maybe he made the right choice.  nobody on the OL is better than they were last year.  it feels like sark’s success has peaked in the previous two seasons and now we are beginning the steady decline that will last 2-3 years until we burn it to the ground and start over. 

Ewers probably covered a lot of warts in Sark's O.  Manning just doesn't have the experience to do that yet.

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15 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:

I was trying to remember the last time Texas had a good oline. Last year couldn’t get a push to save their lives, so don’t tell me that one.

Last years OL was fine. They were excellent in pass pro. Mediocre in the run game. They could maul weaker DLs with OZ (A&M and Clemson). My complaint on the OL is that Flood has produced nothing but finesse OLs. They catch Dl and screen. They do not fire out with a flat back. Arch would kil to have last year's OL. What did Jammer say? I think something like this OL looks like traffic cones, except traffic cones dont get penalties. 

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10 hours ago, dcar00 said:

Ewers probably covered a lot of warts in Sark's O.  Manning just doesn't have the experience to do that yet.

Last year Texas was led the nation in passes behind the LOS. When the offense worked it was behind OZ and hitting some explosives in the short game mostly. This year the screen game has died. Sark is using more PA and targeting down field. Biggest issue is the OL cannot hold up and nobody respects the run game. Last year's offense was limited, because nobody respected the deep ball. This year's offense is limited, because nobody respects the run game and the OL cannot hold up in pas pro. Sark is going to have to develop a short passing game in a hurry

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1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Last years OL was fine. They were excellent in pass pro. Mediocre in the run game. They could maul weaker DLs with OZ (A&M and Clemson). My complaint on the OL is that Flood has produced nothing but finesse OLs. They catch Dl and screen. They do not fire out with a flat back. Arch would kil to have last year's OL. What did Jammer say? I think something like this OL looks like traffic cones, except traffic cones dont get penalties. 

The signs have been there all along.  But as with the above, easily dismissed until you had near 100% turnover in the personnel.

I think it's the nature of these things that whether the blame goes on the QB or the OL for a sputtering offense can be a close, difficult question.

Perhaps less difficult are red zone and RB struggles.  But when you have a couple of RB that can make their own yards like Bijan, that gets masked, too.

We've had somewhat similar nits to pick with the defense in terms of a little too soft in coverage, not getting home often enough with the rush, but overall one of the best in CFB.

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Last year's offensive line was underwhelming, given the number of starts and the years in the program.

This year's offensive line looks like one you find on a team with sanctions and scholarship reductions.

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It's going to cost roughly $2-3M just to retool the OL via the portal this offseason. Add in a new RB and a couple of WRs and a TE and we are looking at a complete overhaul on offense that is going to be very costly.

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2 minutes ago, El Hornarino said:

Last year's offensive line was underwhelming, given the number of starts and the years in the program.

This year's offensive line looks like one you find on a team with sanctions and scholarship reductions.

Or point shavers

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5 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

It's going to cost roughly $2-3M just to retool the OL via the portal this offseason. Add in a new RB and a couple of WRs and a TE and we are looking at a complete overhaul on offense that is going to be very costly.

We have four four star plus guys on the bench at WR. TE is ok as well.  I’m convinced tha fixing the OL fixes everything 

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Crossposting....  Thx for this goes to @satyanash

Scipio Tex: What Now On The Texas Longhorns Offensive Line?

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We’ll be doing an All 22 Deep Dive tomorrow on the IT Youtube channel. It will be worth your time to help understand the challenges that this offense faces. The Florida Gators had 36 pressures on Texas in the Swamp. They had 34 in their prior four games combined. Right now, I have us as somewhere between the 12th to 15th best OL in the SEC. We have a cushion because Mississippi State lost both of their starting tackles.

We can bemoan how we got here, but what’s the best template going forward? What lineup offers Texas the best chance to win? I don’t know. I knew we had very serious problems after Ohio State because I can see more than the box score, but the lack of progress or the clean up of basic errors continues. Our more fundamental issues can’t be addressed in-season.

So maybe we can puzzle through it together. My inclination is to prioritize the best pass protecting unit. In fact, throwing it with efficacy may open up an opportunistic run game. I don’t see it working the other way. That means there are two certain starters: left tackle Trevor Goosby and right guard DJ Campbell. Goosby had his worst game as a Longhorn on Saturday, but we have no other tackle options and he is talented, even though his technique has plateaued and he isn’t strong at the point of contact. He’s long with excellent feet and general athleticism.

Campbell must start, partly because he’s been a solid pass protector overall, but also because we have no other options. The veteran Campbell has six penalties this year, which is not ideal for a program mainstay with 36 starts, but his effort level has been better against the last two opponents. What are our other choices for RT, C, LG then?

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  • C Robertson
  • C/G Hutson
  • C Cruz

Hutson was awful against Florida and he’s been closer to Stroh in grading than Campbell. He struggles with both quickness and power in pass pro and he has odd lapses as a run blocker. Does that change at guard? If he moves back there, that opens up the potential for inserting Robertson at center. Robertson has played 89 snaps at a roughly below average level at center this year.

He struggles with power rushers in pass protection, but has decent awareness and can make the calls. He’s an occupy guy in the run game. He won’t move people, but he keeps them occupied for longer than some of our other OL, who are not very sticky. Cruz is a complete unknown. I doubt we baptize him in the Red River.

  • G/T Brooks
  • G/T Chatman
  • T Baker

Baker is the most penalized player on the team with 7. He has good feet and has some athleticism. He is also weak and technically raw. The more he gets pushed around, the more his technique degrades. He excels most as a puller and down blocker. We can work with that, but the penalties have to stop. Brooks leads the entire offensive line in pressures allowed for the season, but he earned that distinction in only 44 snaps against Florida.

Brooks allowed nine pressures, seven hurries and a sack in less than a full game. He should have been pulled. Keeping him out there was not cool. PFF graded him at a 3.8 on a 100 point scale in pass pro. He has logged 25 snaps at RT this year in spot action, but I don’t trust him against opponents with a pulse. A lot of switching this OL up is reliant on the idea that guys like Hutson or Brooks are different players at other positions, but I’m skeptical. Chatman was talked up all offseason as a key swing guy and possibly the 6th man of the OL. He has 10 snaps this year. That’s difficult to square.

  • G Stroh
  • G Umeozulu
  • G Kibble

Stroh is unplayable. He may not be a P4 player, now or ever. Umeozulu has played better than the others at left guard in limited snaps, but he’s never been known for assignment soundness. Maybe he didn’t take an early season benching well and that explains why he’s in the dog house? Couldn’t tell you. The time for kicking the tires on Kibble was in our last three games.

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I don’t see any easy answers, but Baker gets the nod for me at RT, mostly for a lack of options. He also has some traits. Now we’re left figuring out the mess at center and left guard. If it helps to contextualize our plight there, Florida DT Brien Taylor (#33) had 0 sacks, 0 pressures, 0 QB hits, 0 hurries coming into the Texas game. He played in all of their games, averaging 22 snaps per. But he was a box score blank.

On only 24 snaps against the Longhorns facing only Hutson, Brooks and Stroh, he had 5 pressures, 2 sacks, 2 hurries and a big QB hit. Those are prime Aaron Donald numbers.

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Perhaps the best pass pro combo is Goosby-Hutson-Robertson-Campbell-Baker but I think people are under the impression that Hutson has been solid or that Robertson was good in his single start. Overall, I’d adopt an iterative process. Start throwing combos in with Goosby, Campbell, Baker and see if they can stay afloat.

That’s a stupid and absolutely horrific way to manage an OL, but here we are. We should have explored other options against our three week run of G5’s but proactive isn’t the word that leaps to mind with regard to how this staff has managed this unit. The suggestion box is open.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

We have four four star plus guys on the bench at WR. TE is ok as well.  I’m convinced tha fixing the OL fixes everything 

Those WR are not ready to meaningfully contribute. Will struggle to get open and drop passes.

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1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

Those WR are not ready to meaningfully contribute. Will struggle to get open and drop passes.

Yeah, just like the freshman Florida WR. . . unless this is advanced sarcasm 

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2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

Yeah, I don't think big changes can happen at this point, but I do like that he was hanging out with Chip Kelly the past few years. Always liked the misdirection in the run game he seemed to employ. I feel like Arch moving around more can only help.

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Seems like following might be best starting O-line  ???

  • LT   Goosby
  • LG   Hutson
  • C     Robertson
  • RG   Campbell
  • RT    Baker

Then rotate Umeozulu in at LG for some plays, especially short yardage.  

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1 minute ago, LTtxfan said:

Seems like following might be best starting O-line  ???

  • LT   Goosby
  • LG   Hutson
  • C     Robertson
  • RG   Campbell
  • RT    Baker

Then rotate Umeozulu in at LG for some plays, especially short yardage.  

who knows? It could be Kibble or Chatman in there. Maybe we could say something intelligent, if Flood realized the problem by the 2nd game. 

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16 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Seems like following might be best starting O-line  ???

  • LT   Goosby
  • LG   Hutson
  • C     Robertson
  • RG   Campbell
  • RT    Baker

Then rotate Umeozulu in at LG for some plays, especially short yardage.  

The problem there is that most if not all those guys are ass

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The best bad solution is to put the best 5 run blockers. This offense is dead in the water from the getgo without a run game. Then you need playcalls that give them angles and has some variety and threat.

Pass protection that can hold up in passing downs simply doesnt exist on this squad. And Arch cant make reads to take advantage even if they do. False blitz packages are killing him.

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3 hours ago, Codaxx said:

I really don’t know what this means. He got here in May so Sark saw something after the spring camp that needed additional eyes, but it’s not working. Or maybe Sark wanted to bring another coach in because we can and Drevno’s hire is completely irrelevant to the issues on the Oline.

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5 hours ago, Codaxx said:

Last years OL was fine. They were excellent in pass pro. Mediocre in the run game. They could maul weaker DLs with OZ (A&M and Clemson). My complaint on the OL is that Flood has produced nothing but finesse OLs. They catch Dl and screen. They do not fire out with a flat back. Arch would kil to have last year's OL. What did Jammer say? I think something like this OL looks like traffic cones, except traffic cones dont get penalties. 

Not sure if it's been discussed but didn't we overhaul our oline scheme from zone to gap blocking? If true, strange to overhaul when we've been desperate for continuity.

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The recruiting is an issue, but Flood made guys like Tope Imade serviceable and Christian Jones into a draft pick.

The development has been lacking lately too, so it’s likely an overestimation of what they were working with. Big coaching error from Sark and Flood. 
 

All Sark can do at this point is manage an offense that doesn’t require more than 2 seconds of protection and hopefully find a running game along the way. 
 

We’re boned. 

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We’re talking about recruiting and while it would be stupid to rely on a true freshman to start, we did lose John Mills right at the last minute last cycle and he’s been great starting for Washington at Guard. To me LG is our biggest issue and if Mills were to be starting there for us, I have a hard time believing we aren’t going into Red River with at worst 1 loss and in the top 10.

That said, the fact that we’d need to rely on a true freshman being the difference maker is failing the sniff test. I don’t understand how we know Arch is starting in 2025 at least 2 years in advance and how we don’t get him an oline that doesn’t get him killed in his first SEC game as QB1.

Only silver lining is maybe this blood letting needs to happen so OL is one of the most consistently prioritized groups from an NIL perspective, just after QB and DL?

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48 minutes ago, I Plead Da Fif said:

I don’t understand how we know Arch is starting in 2025 at least 2 years in advance and how we don’t get him an oline that doesn’t get him killed in his first SEC game as QB1.  Only silver lining is maybe this blood letting needs to happen so OL is one of the most consistently prioritized groups from an NIL perspective, just after QB and DL?

Yeah, the entire offensive roster surrounding Arch is a joke... Not just an O-line issue.  

 

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4 minutes ago, JohnnyTapia said:

At this point, after watching this, Neto and Daniel Cruz can't be any worse than Stroh & Hutson

I'm watching it now.

I don't even understand some of the blocking concepts and why we'd even attempt slow-developing PA passes with no running threat. Ridiculous

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8 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Yeah, the entire offensive roster surrounding Arch is a joke... Not just an O-line issue.  

 

I’m not convinced of that just yet. OL to me is holding back the entirety of the offense.

WR is not as good as it should be, but Mosley looks plenty serviceable now that we know he exists and Livingstone has been $$$. Moore has been good when he can play and he’s a solid blocker and good route runner. Wingo needs better route running and to attack the damn ball like his DB stole his woman or NIL paycheck or something. I think Wingo with his head on straight and consistent changes the narrative here greatly.

TE I think we’re in a pretty good place. Put me in the camp of wanting to see more Nick Townsend, Jordan Washington and Emaree Winston instead of Spencer Shannon. Townsend has shown he’s a man from kick out block #1. Throw the damn ball to Endries.

RB, I feel we’re not playing the right guys. Baxter returning from injury 100% was gonna be difficult to count on and should have been glaringly obvious. That said, hard to get a top transfer RB when you have a 1k rusher returning healthy (before camp). Wisner is pretty good, but is much better at OZ which we can’t block. We have what looks to be a tremendous amount of upside in James Simon. If he doesn’t tote the rock 10 times against OU that’s criminal. Gibson, his fumble notwithstanding, has looked good this year and needs to see some carries with Wisner and Baxter on the sidelines. I want to like Christian Clark more, but I just don’t see it. With a shitty OL, I don’t feel you have as much liberty to dance behind the line of scrimmage to find a hole like Clark seems to like to do.

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38 minutes ago, JohnnyTapia said:

At this point, after watching this, Neto and Daniel Cruz can't be any worse than Stroh & Hutson

This video makes me so angry.  The fact these coaches get paid so much money only to produce the kind of garbage we are seeing.  How the fuck was none of this obvious during the off-season?  

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