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2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

More lanes doesn't make traffic move more quickly, it actually increases traffic. This example cuts right to the heart of how government just paying for more stuff because we think it should help frequently backfires. So yes, actually, an inefficient solution may very well be an inherently bad idea.

It makes traffic move more quickly at first. What happens is that increased traffic flow leads to new development around that expanded artery. New businesses and new residences. Things conservatives traditionally call growth and prosperity. Then they expand again and the cycle continues. 

The alternative to expanding existing roads is to build new roads. To diversify. To make sure the load is distributed over a broader network. Development builds up around them too. Maybe instead of having a few really big service stations on the few bloated major superhighways, we have a whole lot of medium sized ones all spread out so that if something goes wrong with one, it won't bring the whole system crashing down. None of them are the profit center that their superhighway counterparts are, but collectively they're better for the long term stability and security of the network and everyone using it. 

It's been my observation that conservatives tend to favor the former scenario over the latter. 

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6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

because of his presidency

i bet we also see a lot of redefinition of presidency.

3 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

It makes traffic move more quickly at first. What happens is that increased traffic flow leads to new development around that expanded artery. New businesses and new residences. Things conservatives traditionally call growth and prosperity. Then they expand again and the cycle continues. 

The alternative to expanding existing roads is to build new roads. To diversify. To make sure the load is distributed over a broader network. Development builds up around them too. Maybe instead of having a few really big service stations on the few bloated major superhighways, we have a whole lot of medium sized ones all spread out so that if something goes wrong with one, it won't bring the whole system crashing down. None of them are the profit center that their superhighway counterparts are, but collectively they're better for the long term stability and security of the network and everyone using it. 

It's been my observation that conservatives tend to favor the former scenario over the latter. 

Demand inducement talk not going away. 

18 minutes ago, Washpark said:

President Donald Trump said Russia was no longer interfering in US elections — the second time in three days that he has contradicted the conclusions of America intelligence agencies.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/c6a3dbca-8ab1-11e8-b18d-0181731a0340

He will come out tomorrow, read off a script, and say he meant to say "Russia was YES longer interfering in US elections, you see when I said no, I meant yes. And while we are on the topic, what I meant to say is they DON'T let you grab them by the pussy. Good, all cleared up, great." 

Well this thread has gone to shit.  Can one of y'all debating education policy create a thread and move the discussion there?  I don't need to filter through actual policy discussion when I'm really here to see what stupid thing the Dotard did next.

Empty, meaningless, and comfortably American.

Actually a really good selection for this election season.

Framing the election as People vs Money should be really easy for the democrats this go around.

"For the People"

vs.

"Better off Now"

I prefer: "You're fucked. We're all going to die."

Honorable mention: "What difference does it make? Thanks Putin."

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15 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

He will come out tomorrow, read off a script, and say he meant to say "Russia was YES longer interfering in US elections, you see when I said no, I meant yes. And while we are on the topic, what I meant to say is they DON'T let you grab them by the pussy. Good, all cleared up, great." 

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1 hour ago, TornACL said:

You know, I heard the MS-13 are making robots. Like Robocop, except Mexican gangsters.

I'll buy that for a peso. 

It ties in well to "Of the people..." and the number of grassroots/first time candidates.  The DNC just needs to stay the fuck out of the way of the grassroots/first time candidates.

1 hour ago, Foosters said:

Shit, I'm a criminal defense attorney in East Los Angeles, and I rarely come across MS-13.

It's kind of amazing how in less than 20 years Team R has convinced the public at large that A) Al-Qaeda or the Taliban is coming to personally attack them and their families, and B) MS-13 is now going to do the same, and were able to use these threats as a means to stay in power, even if the threats were far-fetched (think MS-13 is gonna end up in Rapid City?)

 

Wonder what the next ethnic and/or religious based organization is going to be used in this purpose?

And this fuckery will be drowned by all the other crap, but for fuck's sake :Trump loyalists at VA shuffling, purging employees before new secretary takes over.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-loyalists-at-va-shuffling-purging-employees-before-new-secretary-takes-over/2018/07/18/a4462aae-892d-11e8-8aea-86e88ae760d8_story.html?utm_term=.2ed7e3698e38

Let's just purge anyone with any knowledge of how to take care of veterans.  More important that government employees serve the orange toddler king.

 

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Ahead of Robert Wilkie’s likely confirmation to lead the Department of Veterans Affairs, Trump loyalists at the agency are taking aggressive steps to purge or reassign staff perceived to be disloyal to President Trump and his agenda for veterans, according to multiple people familiar with the moves.

The transfers include more than a dozen career civil servants who have been moved from the leadership suite at VA headquarters and reassigned, to lower-visibility roles. The employees served agency leaders, some dating back more than two decades, in crucial support roles that help a new secretary.

None say they were given reasons for their reassignments.

The moves are being carried out by a small cadre of political appointees led by Acting Secretary Peter O’Rourke who have consolidated power in the four months since they helped oust former Secretary David Shulkin.

The reshuffling marks a new stage in a long estrangement between civil servants and Trump loyalists at VA, where staff upheaval and sinking morale threatens to derail service to one of the president’s key constituencies, according to current and former employees.

Among those reassigned is an experienced scheduler who Wilkie told colleagues he wanted to work for him once he is confirmed by the Senate, according to former and current employees.

Other career senior executives with institutional knowledge of VA’s troubled benefits operation also have been sidelined, some to other cities, according to multiple people who asked not to be identified because of the issue’s sensitivity. A high-ranking executive appointed during the Obama administration to a six-year term quit last week after clashing with Trump aides. Even some Trump appointees have been pushed out for challenging the leadership group.

These are people who served multiple administrations,” said one employee who was moved, “but they only want them to serve the Trump administration. You can’t run a department like that.”

At a House hearing on Tuesday, a visibly irritated Rep. Elizabeth Esty (D-CT.) pressed O’Rourke to explain why he has “removed, demoted or reassigned” a “significant number of career employees.”

O’Rourke called his actions “well-planned and designed moves” to improve “efficiency and effectiveness.” He acknowledged that changes were not based on poor performance.

He said he is encouraging other VA leaders to follow suit.

Esty countered that she suspects “loyalty concerns”are behind the transfers.

“To be clearing out that many people during the time of an acting secretary is disturbing,” she said. “You’re going to lose institutional knowledge.”

 

 

52 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Oh, I see Trump as a necessary evil.  We are going to get a shitload of bad blood out of our system over the next 10-20 years because of his presidency.

It will be painful and suck but America will come out stronger as a people because of it. 

Sure -- it's red devil chemo.  There's only two options: it clears out the cancer....or it kills you.  The coin is still tumbling up in the air, we'll see how it lands.

And, now, a closer look:

 

34 minutes ago, Longhornfan1024 said:

Well this thread has gone to shit.  Can one of y'all debating education policy create a thread and move the discussion there?  I don't need to filter through actual policy discussion when I'm really here to see what stupid thing the Dotard did next.

Mother fucking this.

 

I find the policy tak interesting although I'm not as well-informed as many in here. You'd have to wonder how many voters actually think about the wonky details (to them at least) in the last 10 pages. I mean, Trump got elected repeating "The Wall will be so beautiful." That 35-40% is gone and not reachable. I wonder how many of the remaining voters are reachable with specific, D or R policy planks?

4 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

This was incredible.  Any other White House would have been like, “Of course we’re not doing that dumb shit.”

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

To get someone's vote, you need to tell them a story. They need a vision.

"THIS MAN IS SO AWFUL!" is not going to win anything. Anyone who didn't vote for Hillary in 2016 is not going to vote for a Democrat in 2020. They'll toss some virtue signalling votes in a mid-term, but when the presidential election comes calling they will find the 2020 Democrat candidate too progressive and will either (1) come home for the Supreme Court or (2) virtue signal some more with another Gary Johnson vote.

I didn't vote for Hillary in 2016; instead, I voted Stein. Of course, I have the luxury of living in Texas where the Electoral College essentially disenfranchises my presidential vote. Hell, I voted Nader in '96 & '00. All that said, I did vote Obama in '08 and '12 and would happily vote for another liberal(ish) Democratic candidate if I believed in him/her.

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This was incredible.  Any other White House would have been like, “Of course we’re not doing that dumb shit.”

They're going to let the GRU help Mueller. The least we can do is reciprocate...

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6 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Should go on the did Trump commit treason today thread.  

17 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Sure -- it's red devil chemo.  There's only two options: it clears out the cancer....or it kills you.  The coin is still tumbling up in the air, we'll see how it lands.

The only certainty is the coin will have plenty of blood on it when it hits the ground.

1 minute ago, retread said:

I find the policy tak interesting although I'm not as well-informed as many in here. You'd have to wonder how many voters actually think about the wonky details (to them at least) in the last 10 pages. I mean, Trump got elected repeating "The Wall will be so beautiful." That 35-40% is gone and not reachable. I wonder how many of the remaining voters are reachable with specific, D or R policy planks?

They're not reachable but you can keep a number of them home and away from the polls by peppering them with reminders "It's been two years. Trump has been President and the Republicans have been in control of Congress. There is no progress on our wall! DON'T SUPPORT THESE LIARS AND UNAMERICAN CHARLATANS!"

Political ad paid for by Americans For The Wall

Isn't Bill Browder a UK citizen anyways? 

Which just means that he will be assassinated in London and the UK will say he killed himself by drinking plutonium or some shit. 

26 minutes ago, SizzleChest said:

Shoulda just gone with:

randywatson.jpg

Sexual chocolate?

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This was incredible.  Any other White House would have been like, “Of course we’re not doing that dumb shit.”

Art of the Deal!

Trump is the kind of guy who pays sticker price for a car, and then writes a blog about how to negotiate tough with those scumbag car salesmen to get a good deal via firm handshakes and tough talk.

Trump probably offered up Obama and Hillary before Putin reined him in.

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Trump probably offered up Obama and Hillary before Putin reined him in.

"Do you want Eric? You can have him. No really, I insist."

At least the State Department aren’t fagets.

1 minute ago, HenryJames said:

At least the State Department aren’t fagets.

Just wait till Tiffany is Secretary of State....

16 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

This is fucking insane. 

1 minute ago, lemonlime said:

Just wait till Tiffany is Secretary of State....

Tiffany wants nothing to do with the orange faced shit gibbon.  She's the smartest of the bunch.

2 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Just wait till Tiffany is Secretary of State....

We’ll be running just as fast as we can, holding on to one another hands...

Are you saying Trump told Putin "I think we're alone now"?

Look at the way we gotta hide what we're doin'

 

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6 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Absolutely asurd?  Trump said it was an incredible offer and SHS just said moments ago that Trump is considering it with his team. 

4 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

Grifters.

The white house is occupied by effing grifters.

22 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Should go on the did Trump commit treason today thread.  

I'm marking him (or at least the administration) down for the Daily Double.

5 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

Outrageous!  Shouldn't Putin be footing the bill?  Why are we paying for his employees?

17 minutes ago, TornACL said:

Art of the Deal!

Trump is the kind of guy who pays sticker price for a car, and then writes a blog about how to negotiate tough with those scumbag car salesmen to get a good deal via firm handshakes and tough talk.

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I negotiated the best car deal, the absolute best.  Lots of people are saying it.  I knew, but I bet you didn't know, lots of people don't know, with that TruCoat, if you don’t get it you get oxidation problems it’ll cost you a heck of a lot more than $500.  The TruCoat is $500 -- many people say it's worth more than that, many times that amount.  I got Putin to do something that they've never done before. But seeing as it's special circumstances and all, he says he can knock a hundred dollars off that TruCoat.  I told you -- I get the best deals.  Everyone knows it.  Art of the Deal, the best deals.  Hillary couldn't have gotten them to knock a hundred dollars off the TruCoat.

 

6 hours ago, Anastasis said:

The 129MM Americans who voted in 2016 were given shitty choices by shitty parties, one of which in particular cultivated a culture of right out fucking nonsense among their base after many of years of demonstrating at every chance they got that they had no true principles and couldn't govern their way out of a paper bag.  The other was captured by a political dynasty, held the finger on the scale during the primary, and took for granted the fact that a coalition of voters who pinned their votes on "Hope and Change" but got neither would show up and pull the lever.  But yeah, its the 129MM's fault. 

I suppose that makes you feel better. 

5 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

I'm marking him (or at least the administration) down for the Daily Double.

It really is amazing.  The Trump administration has now gone [0] days without committing treason.

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