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58 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Do you want a Deloitte-quality CEO or just some person

I'm sorry but what the fuck does this even mean?

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the bulk of your post there, but this literally made me laugh out loud.

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Women point guards do not have transferable skills they can take elsewhere. 

I agree with your overall point about league exec compensation but this isn’t true at all. Most of these girls have college degrees, for starters. Pretty much all of them could walk into any of the thousands of coaching jobs there are in this country or overseas for female basketball coaches. A lot of those jobs pay pretty well. There are also broadcasting opportunities. I don't know what Candace Parker is paid by TNT or Chiney is paid by ESPN but I'm assuming it's a lot of money. 

Playing in the WNBA is a big deal to have on your resume. It's not like being a pro disc-golf player or some shit. 

And there are obviously other leagues they can play in - despite the W being the most attractive option. There was that offseason (3 on 3 I think?) league that a bunch of them did this past year. 

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1 minute ago, ztejas said:

I agree with your overall point about league exec compensation but this isn’t true at all. Most of these girls have college degrees, for starters. Pretty much all of them could walk into any of the thousands of coaching jobs there are in this country or overseas for female basketball coaches. A lot of those jobs pay pretty well. There are also broadcasting opportunities. I don't know what Candace Parker is paid by TNT or Chiney is paid by ESPN but I'm assuming it's a lot of money. 

Playing in the WNBA is a big deal to have on your resume. It's not like being a pro disc-golf player or some shit. 

And there are obviously other leagues they can play in - despite the W being the most attractive option. There was that offseason (3 on 3 I think?) league that a bunch of them did this past year. 

Many of the players that participated in Unrivaled got paid as much or more than what they make in the W.   Unrivaled has a multi-yr TNT sponsorship already and is growing for the upcoming season.     There is also the Athletes Unlimited league that many others played in last offseason.    Both leagues are run by players (or former players).   

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8 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I agree with your overall point about league exec compensation but this isn’t true at all. Most of these girls have college degrees, for starters. Pretty much all of them could walk into any of the thousands of coaching jobs there are in this country or overseas for female basketball coaches. A lot of those jobs pay pretty well. There are also broadcasting opportunities. I don't know what Candace Parker is paid by TNT or Chiney is paid by ESPN but I'm assuming it's a lot of money. 

Playing in the WNBA is a big deal to have on your resume. It's not like being a pro disc-golf player or some shit. 

And there are obviously other leagues they can play in - despite the W being the most attractive option. There was that offseason (3 on 3 I think?) league that a bunch of them did this past year. 

They have transferable skills to not play basketball.  That’s not a bargaining point for a CBA to play basketball. Completely different than being in PT or marketing where you are in a labor market to go do the same thing elsewhere. 
 

Unrivaled is a completely different business. One arena, one location, 36 players, one front office, no travel.  Nothing close to trying to run an actual league and so of course that affects the way the business works. 
 

 

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41 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm sorry but what the fuck does this even mean?

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the bulk of your post there, but this literally made me laugh out loud.

The point is that the former CEO of Deloitte has incredible options on the job market and if the WNBA wants a commissioner with that level  of acumen and ability, they have to pay for it. 

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38 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I agree with your overall point about league exec compensation but this isn’t true at all. Most of these girls have college degrees, for starters. Pretty much all of them could walk into any of the thousands of coaching jobs there are in this country or overseas for female basketball coaches. A lot of those jobs pay pretty well. There are also broadcasting opportunities. I don't know what Candace Parker is paid by TNT or Chiney is paid by ESPN but I'm assuming it's a lot of money. 

Playing in the WNBA is a big deal to have on your resume. It's not like being a pro disc-golf player or some shit. 

And there are obviously other leagues they can play in - despite the W being the most attractive option. There was that offseason (3 on 3 I think?) league that a bunch of them did this past year. 

1.  Then do it.  Go try out for a broadcasting job.  But announcing jobs and coaching jobs are few and far between and only the great ones get paid.  Not every women’s cbb coach makes bank and not everyone gets to start at chuck or Candace’s level.  
2.  There are other leagues.  Kennedy Carter is playing in mexico.  Go and show us what we’re missing. 

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FWIW, I think things like Unrivaled are a cool concept and support the money they are able pay.  
 

But they do illustrate the stark business differences:  Unrivaled slashed rosters, eliminated travel, eliminated all but one front office, eliminated all training staff save one team, cut venue costs down to one, dramatically shortened the season, and zeroed in on broadcast versus attendance at events. 
 

It’s a great thing for athletes and glad it exists— but it isn’t an actual sports league, it’s a tournament event.  The economics are completely different. 

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16 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

FWIW, I think things like Unrivaled are a cool concept and support the money they are able pay.  
 

But they do illustrate the stark business differences:  Unrivaled slashed rosters, eliminated travel, eliminated all but one front office, eliminated all training staff save one team, cut venue costs down to one, dramatically shortened the season, and zeroed in on broadcast versus attendance at events. 
 

It’s a great thing for athletes and glad it exists— but it isn’t an actual sports league, it’s a tournament event.  The economics are completely different. 

While I agree mostly, it was year 1 and it was a pretty big success.     I could see it going very much along the lines of what the Big 3 league is doing.    That league is moving more to individual franchises based in different cities.  Its not a rival to the NBA (no matter what Ice Cube says) and Unrivaled isnt a rival to the W.  It is a great starting point for that league and for players to have an option to earn good money while staying here in the US.   They can also have some input on how that league grows/changes going forward.

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16 hours ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

These women all have overseas options. Many of those teams pay better than the WNBA and include benefits such as housing and travel allowances.  
 

This is not true and for the reasons stated by 956. 

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I do hope the players get a better CBA and it is awesome that the league is growing and attracting more eyeballs.  
 

My point here is simply that the “same percentage of revenue as the men” sounds reasonable until you pause and realize that the expenses don’t operate on that same sliding scale.  Charter jets cost the same no matter who is on them and $25 million per year is 1/8th of the new annual TV payout for the WNBA. The NBA’s TV deal is 7 billion per year. I guarantee that the NBA aviation budget is not $875,000,000.  I could bet it’s less than a quarter of that number. 

The other WNBA employees are needed and their costs don’t dramatically change. And so much of the other demands are wrapped up in spending the money it takes to be a “real” pro league.  The team doc, trainers, marketers, support staff can command close to the same amount no matter who they are working for. 
 

Venue fees and all that go into that don’t slide on a scale either.  They aren’t as much as an NBA game, but you’re still paying to open the arena, run crowd control, etc. The delta between NBA and  WNBA non-player and staff expenses per game isn’t pro-rated in line with the revenue difference.

They absolutely deserve a raise, I’m just pointing out that pushing it even to something like 30 percent of revenue likely means total league collapse.

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