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3 hours ago, Slacks said:

In that picture he has the ball at his waist and he's not ready to make the quick throw... 

And habits like that will lead to you holding the ball too lomg. 

Let's say he corrects that, then what? 

Spencer Sanders at OKST held the ball too long the first year or two of his career and caused a lot of turnovers. He got way better his last two years. A good QB coach could help Shedeur with that I think. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

Rolling with Gabriel and Sanders as the backups to a 40 year old QB is very Clevelandesque. 

I was watching Florio and Simms and apparently Cleveland really likes Gabriel - said the competition between he and Sanders hasn’t been close.

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25 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Cleveland just sent Pickett to the Raiders so they won’t be rolling with 4 QBs.

 

ESPN stats seem to support Gabriel being #2

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

I remember him when he started as a Houston Gambler. 

Yep, one of the leagues all time top receivers. Also Ronald Reagan's favorite target on the White House lawn.

Not bad for a kid from Belton.

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Posted (edited)
56 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Spencer Sanders at OKST held the ball too long the first year or two of his career and caused a lot of turnovers. He got way better his last two years. A good QB coach could help Shedeur with that I think. 

It is one of the hardest things to fix, though, if it doesn't click quickly. Mental processing speed is absolutely the main reason that NFL QB draft picks flame out so frequently.

Some guys can see shit before it even happens (think TJ Ford on a basketball court) and some guys can't see it until a second after it's already happened. It's another ability but is the hardest to identify and test.

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Colorado didn't exactly have the most modern cutting edge NFL-type offense. They didn't really need it. Wasn't what they do. That doesn't work in Shedeur's favor in his rookie NFL season. He will have some time to sit back and learn and try to figure it out. Don't be surprised to see him get forced into action at some point this season when things don't go well.

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15 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Let me add some highlights and point out some things beyond the fact that he's not prepared to throw the ball. I commented before he pre-snap reads and post snap progressions are terrible. The red line us where Shadeur is looking the blue arrows are where his receivers are going the yellow is open field and what I think is a LB behind on 87 Sal Canella (cut yesterday).

So even IF the ball was up, he doesn't see the currently open TE and one potentially running into open space. At this point in the pic he should be at the end of his release to 87 which appears would have gotten 8-12 yards or to the WR about to be in open space. 

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He's looking at 93 about to come unblocked. If he had the ball ready to go, 93 wouldn't be a concern. All of it plays together. 

He has bad habits that he needs to get out of quickly... He's not Kenny Pickett (who, imo, just can't execute physically.) 

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13 hours ago, The Dog said:

Cleveland just sent Pickett to the Raiders so they won’t be rolling with 4 QBs.

 

Man, I thought Pete was going to grab DG... Pickett is not the guy, but I guess he's not a rookie (not that Pete hasn't started a rookie over a so-called vet.)

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12 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

It is one of the hardest things to fix, though, if it doesn't click quickly. Mental processing speed is absolutely the main reason that NFL QB draft picks flame out so frequently.

Some guys can see shit before it even happens (think TJ Ford on a basketball court) and some guys can't see it until a second after it's already happened. It's another ability but is the hardest to identify and test.

This was said about Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. 

No, I'm not saying Shadeur is even close to them in talent, but he's clearly football talented and needs to clean up some bad habits. 

Posted
24 minutes ago, Slacks said:

He's looking at 93 about to come unblocked. If he had the ball ready to go, 93 wouldn't be a concern. All of it plays together. 

He has bad habits that he needs to get out of quickly... He's not Kenny Pickett (who, imo, just can't execute physically.) 

Come on man, 93 is completely wrapped up. Further, if a QB is LOOKING at a how a specific OL is doing against a particular DL, he shouldn't be starting for a P4 team much less NFL. 

As far as bad habits, there we agree. He has a lot of them and they've been taught to him his entire life. They are built to create good numbers for QBs in high school and maybe college. Manufactured numbers if you like.

A QB doesn't quickly get out of habits trained into them since peewee football and throughout college by the same coach. Moreover, the NFL isn't the place to do so. Shaduer's entire muscle memory and QB instinct/process has to be rebuilt from the ground up. Maybe some coaching staff in the CFL has time to do such, but that requires a QB with the humility to accept that reality. 

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13 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

It is one of the hardest things to fix, though, if it doesn't click quickly. Mental processing speed is absolutely the main reason that NFL QB draft picks flame out so frequently.

Some guys can see shit before it even happens (think TJ Ford on a basketball court) and some guys can't see it until a second after it's already happened. It's another ability but is the hardest to identify and test.

Depends, if he sees the play but mechanics are off, that’s fixable. I think that was Spencer Sanders’ case. If he’s not processing quick enough I agree it’s why so many good to great college qb’s fail in the nfl.

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28 minutes ago, Slacks said:

This was said about Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. 

No, I'm not saying Shadeur is even close to them in talent, but he's clearly football talented and needs to clean up some bad habits. 

His talent is his athleticism. His QB/football habits and ego are his issues. 

Like I said in my last post, he's been taught this brand of QB play his entire life. This isn't bad habits that weren't coached out in college or high school.

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41 minutes ago, Slacks said:

No, I'm not saying Shadeur is even close to them in talent

Then don't mention those guys. 

I don't understand what your infatuation with this kid is but he's a fucking scrub at this level and has pretty clearly demonstrated that he doesn't have what it takes. That's without getting into the ongoing off-the-field shitshow that doesn't lend itself towards playing the most important position in the most competive professional sports league in the world.

Dragging two of the best four QBs in the league into the discussion is hysterical. In what universe is there any sliver of a possibility that Sheduer winds up as good as Allen or Lamar? He'd be lucky to wind up as good as Teddy Bridgewater at this point. 

This entire saga and all of its inane, race-baiting discourse needs to die in a fire. Thankfully his shithead brother got waived already. I'm guessing he isn't far behind. 

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Posted
59 minutes ago, Slacks said:

This was said about Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. 

No, I'm not saying Shadeur is even close to them in talent, but he's clearly football talented and needs to clean up some bad habits. 

you need to watch the video from O'Sullivan that I just posted. 

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Posted (edited)
36 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So your point is fucking moot.


Look, I'm not saying I'm even close to Shohei Ohtani in talent, but I clearly have two arms, two eyes, ten fingers and ten toes and just need to clean up some bad habits.

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

A QB doesn't quickly get out of habits trained into them since peewee football and through college by the same coach. Moreover, the NFL isn't the place to do so. Shaduer's entire muscle memory and QB instinct/process has to be rebuilt from the ground up. Maybe some coaching staff in the CFL has time to do such, but that requires a QB with the humility to accept that reality. 

Look, Shedeur has always been the bottle cap.   You can’t tell him now he has to be the blade of grass, stick or pebble.  He’s the bottle cap! That’s how he has and always will play.

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Posted
6 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Come on man, 93 is completely wrapped up. Further, if a QB is LOOKING at a how a specific OL is doing against a particular DL, he shouldn't be starting for a P4 team much less NFL. 

As far as bad habits, there we agree. He has a lot of them and they've been taught to him his entire life. They are built to create good numbers for QBs in high school and maybe college. Manufactured numbers if you like.

A QB doesn't quickly get out of habits trained into them since peewee football and throughout college by the same coach. Moreover, the NFL isn't the place to do so. Shaduer's entire muscle memory and QB instinct/process has to be rebuilt from the ground up. Maybe some coaching staff in the CFL has time to do such, but that requires a QB with the humility to accept that reality. 

If this is the play that was shown above, 93 isn't wrapped - he throws the OG away... and 87 runs a stop route directly in front of the LB, so that throw would have been an easy pick.

 

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6 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So your point is fucking moot.

No it isn't. The point is they were supposedly not NFL processors... somehow they became NFL processors and won MVPs and not just on talent, despite people saying they wouldn't be able to do so because they'd never done so.

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2 minutes ago, Slacks said:

No it isn't. The point is they were supposedly not NFL processors... somehow they became NFL processors and won MVPs and not just on talent, despite people saying they wouldn't be able to do so because they'd never done so.

Except they possessed super elite traits in multiple other areas where as Shedeur does not. Which makes you reaching for their names even more laughable. 

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16 minutes ago, Slacks said:

If this is the play that was shown above, 93 isn't wrapped - he throws the OG away... and 87 runs a stop route directly in front of the LB, so that throw would have been an easy pick.

 

Not if Shadeur released the ball when I noted.

Look, based on your historical posts  in this thread its pretty clear you're simping for Shadeur (and Deion) for emotional reasons. You're not looking at things rationally and that's your right. You've picked the Shadeur hill to die on, and that's also your right, but it won't end well. If you aren't going to logically look at the evidence presented there isn’t need for further discussion on the topic.

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Ralphie VI never really embraced Colorado’s decades-long tradition of the live mascot running across the field at the start of football games and after four seasons, she is being replaced.

On Tuesday, CU announced that Ralphie VI, nicknamed Ember, is retiring. In a press release, CU said, “Due to an indifference to running, typical of many mammals both four-legged and two-legged, it was determined that it was in Ember’s best interest, based on her disposition, to focus on relaxing strolls on the pasture, which is her favorite hobby.”

 

“In the interim, the Buffaloes football team will take the field without the university’s beloved live mascot,” CU said in a release.

Ralphie VI will now move into a “companion buffalo role,” per CU’s press release, and live with Ralphie V on their ranch.

“Ember has been excellent in many aspects of her role as Ralphie, but she’s happiest relaxing on the ranch and we want to be respectful of her wishes,” said Taylor Stratton, director of the Ralphie Live Mascot Program. “She will continue to get the same top level of love and care that all of our Ralphies receive and will enjoy socializing with Ralphie V.”

 

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Ralphie VI never really embraced Colorado’s decades-long tradition of the live mascot running across the field at the start of football games and after four seasons, she is being replaced.
On Tuesday, CU announced that Ralphie VI, nicknamed Ember, is retiring. In a press release, CU said, “Due to an indifference to running, typical of many mammals both four-legged and two-legged, it was determined that it was in Ember’s best interest, based on her disposition, to focus on relaxing strolls on the pasture, which is her favorite hobby.”
 
“In the interim, the Buffaloes football team will take the field without the university’s beloved live mascot,” CU said in a release.
Ralphie VI will now move into a “companion buffalo role,” per CU’s press release, and live with Ralphie V on their ranch.
“Ember has been excellent in many aspects of her role as Ralphie, but she’s happiest relaxing on the ranch and we want to be respectful of her wishes,” said Taylor Stratton, director of the Ralphie Live Mascot Program. “She will continue to get the same top level of love and care that all of our Ralphies receive and will enjoy socializing with Ralphie V.”
 

Are they going to retire her number?
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17 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Except they possessed super elite traits in multiple other areas where as Shedeur does not. Which makes you reaching for their names even more laughable. 

If we're comparing traits, yes... But we're not. 

We're talking about one bad habit. 

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16 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Not if Shadeur released the ball when I noted.

Look, based on your historical posts  in this thread its pretty clear you're simping for Shadeur (and Deion) for emotional reasons. You're not looking at things rationally and that's your right. You've picked the Shadeur hill to die on, and that's also your right, but it won't end well. If you aren't going to logically look at the evidence presented there isn’t need for further discussion on the topic.

No emotions. I don't know them at all. 

Deion was great at football and has been highly entertaining as a college coach, while raising the profile and recent success of two poorly run programs

Shadeur was entertaining in college and part of the success of those programs. 

Both were more successful than this emotional thread would lead one to believe if one didn't watch the games...

I mean, now it's all professional analysis, but this thread... 

Posted
1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

If you have enough elite traits it’s easier to overcome habits  he doesn’t have any elite traits. 

Those guys no longer have the bad habit that was keeping their elite traits from elevating. 

Don't change the goal post. The point was that those two players had the same 'processing' issues coming out of college. Now they do not. Whether they are elite in other areas or not, the point was made that this transition doesn't happen if it doesn't occur before the NFL.

I offered two MVP examples of it happening. 

"Oh, they're different." 

Posted
1 minute ago, Slacks said:

Those guys no longer have the bad habit that was keeping their elite traits from elevating. 

Don't change the goal post. The point was that those two players had the same 'processing' issues coming out of college. Now they do not. Whether they are elite in other areas or not, the point was made that this transition doesn't happen if it doesn't occur before the NFL.

I offered two MVP examples of it happening. 

"Oh, they're different." 

Wtf are you even talking about? Sanders is in no way comparable to either of those guys. He will be lucky to be in the league in 3 years and if he is it's likely because of his name and nothing else.

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5 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Those guys no longer have the bad habit that was keeping their elite traits from elevating. 

Don't change the goal post. The point was that those two players had the same 'processing' issues coming out of college. Now they do not. Whether they are elite in other areas or not, the point was made that this transition doesn't happen if it doesn't occur before the NFL.

I offered two MVP examples of it happening. 

"Oh, they're different." 

Your examples are just completely fucking stupid. He has no traits they had to make up for it. Like holy shit. 

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