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https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article215644840.html

A few years ago, there were so many donkeys, or burros, in the Venezuelan state of Falcón that they were a problem — herds everywhere, causing highway crashes and blocking airport runways.

But over the past three years, the herds have shrunk dramatically as thousands of burros have been slaughtered for their meat by Venezuelans suffering through a near-famine.

“There’s no more burros here,” said Odalys Martinez, a resident of the Paraguana Peninsula in northern Falcón.

The collapse of the Venezuelan economy is radically changing the eating habits in the oil-producing country, where large sectors of the population are being forced to pick through garbage and slaughter domestic animals to sate their hunger.

The burros’ disappearance in Falcón has set off alarms among authorities in the state, where it had prospered after it was declared a protected species and was used by residents only to carry cargo or to plow agricultural lands.

“From 2015 to today, 2018, the burros disappeared,” said opposition parliament deputy Eliézer Sirit.

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https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article215644840.html

A few years ago, there were so many donkeys, or burros, in the Venezuelan state of Falcón that they were a problem — herds everywhere, causing highway crashes and blocking airport runways.

But over the past three years, the herds have shrunk dramatically as thousands of burros have been slaughtered for their meat by Venezuelans suffering through a near-famine.

“There’s no more burros here,” said Odalys Martinez, a resident of the Paraguana Peninsula in northern Falcón.

The collapse of the Venezuelan economy is radically changing the eating habits in the oil-producing country, where large sectors of the population are being forced to pick through garbage and slaughter domestic animals to sate their hunger.

The burros’ disappearance in Falcón has set off alarms among authorities in the state, where it had prospered after it was declared a protected species and was used by residents only to carry cargo or to plow agricultural lands.

“From 2015 to today, 2018, the burros disappeared,” said opposition parliament deputy Eliézer Sirit.

Holy shit. 

 

Anybody ever eaten donkey before? 

 

Chef review? 

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Holy shit. 

 

Anybody ever eaten donkey before? 

 

Chef review? 

As a shitfaced drunken college student back in the 80s, I ate street tacos in Matamoros. More than once.  They were like 10 for a dollar.  I remember a buddy of mine, as he was scarfing his down, laughingly telling the vendor "es perro!", and the vendor getting offended -- "NO!  Es burro!"

So, my answer is....maybe....but I don't have a strong memory of it.

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In other news, water is wet.

http://www.france24.com/en/20180731-venezuelas-president-admits-economy-has-failed

 

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Under-fire Venezuela President Nicolas Maduro admitted his economic model has "failed" in the wake of food and medicine shortages and public service paralysis, such as Tuesday's power failure that affected 80 percent of Caracas.

"The production models we've tried so far have failed and the responsibility is ours, mine and yours," Maduro told his ruling PSUV party congress, as Venezuela looks to tackle chronic inflation the International Monetary Fund predicted would reach one million percent this year.

"Enough with the whining... we need to produce with or without (outside) aggression, with or without blockades, we need to make Venezuela an economic power," he added late Monday, with the country grappling with a four-year long recession.

"No more whining, I want solutions comrades!"

The socialist government has over recent years nationalized various industry sectors such as cement and steel, expropriated hundreds of businesses, including supermarket chains, and lately brought in the army to control street markets to guard against rising prices.

It has also fixed prices on various goods and imposed a monopoly on foreign exchange.

"I estimate it will take about two years to reach a high level of stability and see the first symptoms of new and economic prosperity, without for one second affecting social security and protection," added the president.

Maduro's economic recovery plan includes increasing oil production to "six million barrels a day by 2025 or before." Oil production has crashed from a high of 3.2 million barrels a day in 2008 to a 30-year low 1.5 million this year.

As well as the IMF's mind-boggling inflation prediction, it says Venezuela's GDP will plummet 18 percent this year, meaning a fourth consecutive year of double-digit falls.

The economic crisis has hit so hard that the public transport system has almost ground to a halt, with the government and local councils offering free rides in unsafe and uncomfortable pick-up trucks -- branded "kennels" by users -- after many bus service providers couldn't afford to keep their vehicles on the road.

Maduro, who blames Venezuela's woes on an "economic war" waged by the United States, called on PSUV supporters to help kick-start production and resist US "aggression."

Washington has imposed financial sanctions against Maduro and top government officials, as well as the state-owned oil company PDVSA. Venezuela's crude oil sales account for some 96 percent of the country's revenue.

Industry is operating at just 30 percent, perhaps best reflected by the farming sector which supplies barely a quarter of national consumption having provided 75 percent a few years ago, the National Farmers Federation said.

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Well, if you take 5 zeros off everyone's income suddenly the difference between making $1/year and $10/year isn't glaring.  I mean, both are eating the family dog/burro.

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When it comes to bad things like this, it always amazes me how BAD people let it get before they take action. When backed against the wall, people WILL act. I just can’t come to grips with how long it takes.

Other than government employees, does Venezuela have any rich people left?

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Iran and Venezuela’s economies are crumbling under hyperinflation and mismanagement by 2 awful governments that have hamstrung what used to be economically successful countries. Prior to Islamic fascists taking over, $1 = 70 Iranian rials. Now it’s 112,000 to 1. Just like Mugabe and Chavez, losers in Tehran and Caracas blaming the US for their mismanagement. 

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Iran and Venezuela’s economies are crumbling under hyperinflation and mismanagement by 2 awful governments.... 

 

Things Are So Bad In Iran That Afghan Migrants Are Going Home

 

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More than 400,000 undocumented Afghan migrants left Iran for Afghanistan so far in 2018…

"It's better here than in Iran," says Sediqullah. "Even if I earn 300 afghanis ($4) [per day], it's still more than I would make in Iran. I don't think many Afghans will stay in Iran. Many will come back to Afghanistan."

 

 

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Iran and Venezuela’s economies are crumbling under hyperinflation and mismanagement by 2 awful governments that have hamstrung what used to be economically successful countries. Prior to Islamic fascists taking over, $1 = 70 Iranian rials. Now it’s 112,000 to 1. Just like Mugabe and Chavez, losers in Tehran and Caracas blaming the US for their mismanagement. 

US sanctions are smashing Iran's ordinary people  which is generally why I oppose sanctions. The elites are not so hypersensitive to minor or moderate absolute (but not relative) reductions in purchasing power. 

Venezuela - cannIbalism coming soon? 

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6944240/venezuela-president-nicolas-maduro-assassination-bid-drone-live-tv-speech/

 

VENEZUELAN President Nicolas Maduro has survived an apparent assassination attempt by "terrorists" who detonated drones rigged with explosives as he addressed a military parade.

Hundreds of soldiers broke ranks and sprinted for cover as blasts rang out last night over the capital Caracas. Seven soldiers were hurt.

Maduro has since called on US president Donald Trump to join his fight against the "terrorist groups" responsible for the attack.

The explosions cut short a televised speech by the Venezuelan head of government during the National Guard's 81 anniversary celebration.

Maduro - blamed for the impoverished country's crippling inflation and shortages of basic goods - was unharmed.

Information Minister Jorge Rodriguez condemned it as an attempted attack on the President's life.

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15 hours ago, Orca of Peace said:

US sanctions are smashing Iran's ordinary people  which is generally why I oppose sanctions. The elites are not so hypersensitive to minor or moderate absolute (but not relative) reductions in purchasing power. 

Venezuela - cannIbalism coming soon? 

I wholeheartedly support sanctions and squeezing the terrorists running the country and I still have family in Iran hurting because of them. The discontent is spilling into the streets and the people are chanting the great Reza Shah’s name (not the pussy who fled his country like a bitch instead of putting a bullet in Khomeini’s head and of his supporters like I would have). Regime change should be the sole focus of US policy with regard to both Venezuela and Iran. Other than Trump’s moronic offer last week to meet with Rouhani, he has been right on the money in dealing with Iran unlike the weak and naive President before him.

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6944240/venezuela-president-nicolas-maduro-assassination-bid-drone-live-tv-speech/

 

VENEZUELAN President Nicolas Maduro has survived an apparent assassination attempt by "terrorists" who detonated drones rigged with explosives as he addressed a military parade.

Hundreds of soldiers broke ranks and sprinted for cover as blasts rang out last night over the capital Caracas. Seven soldiers were hurt.

Maduro has since called on US president Donald Trump to join his fight against the "terrorist groups" responsible for the attack.

The explosions cut short a televised speech by the Venezuelan head of government during the National Guard's 81 anniversary celebration.

Maduro - blamed for the impoverished country's crippling inflation and shortages of basic goods - was unharmed.

Information Minister Jorge Rodriguez condemned it as an attempted attack on the President's life.

Too bad the drones weren’t successful in killing that son of a bitch. I think targeted assassinations are still needed and should be a tool in the bucket for the CIA. I was very sad to see the coup to overthrow Erdogan failed in Turkey a few years ago.

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13 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

I wholeheartedly support sanctions and squeezing the terrorists running the country and I still have family in Iran hurting because of them. The discontent is spilling into the streets and the people are chanting the great Reza Shah’s name (not the pussy who fled his country like a bitch instead of putting a bullet in Khomeini’s head and of his supporters like I would have). Regime change should be the sole focus of US policy with regard to both Venezuela and Iran. Other than Trump’s moronic offer last week to meet with Rouhani, he has been right on the money in dealing with Iran unlike the weak and naive President before him.

sanctions may not do anything you want and then the ordinary people are losing their live savings and property for nothing. I would rather have pinpoint airstrikes on the leader palace and be done with it quickly. 

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9 minutes ago, Orca of Peace said:

sanctions may not do anything you want and then the ordinary people are losing their live savings and property for nothing. I would rather have pinpoint airstrikes on the leader palace and be done with it quickly. 

I would too.

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Too bad the drones weren’t successful in killing that son of a bitch. I think targeted assassinations are still needed and should be a tool in the bucket for the CIA. I was very sad to see the coup to overthrow Erdogan failed in Turkey a few years ago.

Mucking around with leadership changes hasn’t done much to help us in Central/South America.

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Mucking around with leadership changes hasn’t done much to help us in Central/South America.

State sponsored hits on political leaders are a terrible approach and create more problems than they solve 9 out of 10 times.

We should be better than resorting to that shit by now.

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Too bad the drones weren’t successful in killing that son of a bitch. I think targeted assassinations are still needed and should be a tool in the bucket for the CIA. I was very sad to see the coup to overthrow Erdogan failed in Turkey a few years ago.

small government conservatives, everyone

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State sponsored hits on political leaders are a terrible approach and create more problems than they solve 9 out of 10 times.

We should be better than resorting to that shit by now.

do you instead favor sanctions, which historically do nothing but badly hurt ordinary people? Years of sanctions on Iraq killed babies, starved people, made thinkgs like clothes, books and everyday supplies hard to get - while Saddam enjoyed his 43 palaces. I'd rather have killed off Saddam in 2 seconds than hurt the Iraqi people for 12 years. 

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do you instead favor sanctions, which historically do nothing but badly hurt ordinary people? Years of sanctions on Iraq killed babies, starved people, made thinkgs like clothes, books and everyday supplies hard to get - while Saddam enjoyed his 43 palaces. I'd rather have killed off Saddam in 2 seconds than hurt the Iraqi people for 12 years. 

So we’re responsible for the well being of the people of Iraq?  

Shouldn’t that be Saddam’s job? 

People should fight for their own liberties and freedoms.  Otherwise they’re just trading one oppressive regime for another. 

It you push people around enough, they will mobilize and overthrow their oppressors.

see also Arab Spring. 

 

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So we’re responsible for the well being of the people of Iraq?  

Shouldn’t that be Saddam’s job? 

People should fight for their own liberties and freedoms.  Otherwise they’re just trading one oppressive regime for another. 

It you push people around enough, they will mobilize and overthrow their oppressors.

see also Arab Spring. 

 

what does this answer have to do with the questions of sanctions?

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what does this answer have to do with the questions of sanctions?

I think his point is that making the people suffer is effective at effecting regime change, and possibly something to replace that regime.  It's the latter that keeps going wrong for us.

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I think his point is that making the people suffer is effective at effecting regime change, and possibly something to replace that regime.  It's the latter that keeps going wrong for us.

so these phony liberals, who champion human rights, are in favor of making completely innocent powerless suffering people living under a dictatorship suffer even more in the hopes that they will magically acquire power to overthrow the powerful dictatorship? Makes sense!  

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Mucking around with leadership changes hasn’t done much to help us in Central/South America.

Getting rid of Allende for Pinochet was crucial for Cold War purposes and proved to be very effective. Don’t usually agree with Orca but he is right on the money here.

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So we’re responsible for the well being of the people of Iraq?  

Shouldn’t that be Saddam’s job? 

People should fight for their own liberties and freedoms.  Otherwise they’re just trading one oppressive regime for another. 

It you push people around enough, they will mobilize and overthrow their oppressors.

see also Arab Spring. 

 

By your logic, we should have left the Nazis to run roughshod over Eastern Europe and let the starving, unarmed Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto fight the mighty Germans with their bare hands. Targeted assassinations work and can save the lives of millions of people and effectuate change. Like Christoper Walken in the Dead Zone, I would gladly kill Khamenei to liberate the Iranian people even if it cost me my own life.

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Like Christoper Walken in the Dead Zone, I would gladly kill Khamenei to liberate the Iranian people even if it cost me my own life.

Spoiler alert that shit, asshole.

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By your logic, we should have left the Nazis to run roughshod over Eastern Europe and let the starving, unarmed Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto fight the mighty Germans with their bare hands. Targeted assassinations work and can save the lives of millions of people and effectuate change. Like Christoper Walken in the Dead Zone, I would gladly kill Khamenei to liberate the Iranian people even if it cost me my own life.

good post. Stupid people think the powerless starving people will somehow acquire weapons and overthrow the secret police and government thugs. No, we need to bomb the asshole leaders, kill them in their sleep and the regime will crumble from the top down. 

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small government conservatives, everyone

Umm..small government conservative approach would be an assassination.

Big government would be sanctions enforced by force, taxes, and trade embargoes with extra diplomacy.

I disagree with the assassination approach as it has been pretty ineffective in that region of the world historically but it’s absolutely a small government solution.

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News today reported that it wasn't "death by drone," but a natural gas explosion in a nearby high rise.

Pretty funny that he can only speak in front of a military crowd these days and that those pussies ran like bitches when they heard booms.

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From 8/17:

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Faced with nearly incomprehensible inflation — 32,714 percent as of Wednesday — Venezuelan officials thought they had a solution: They changed the color of the bank notes and increased their denomination. Then they said they would lop off three zeros. And when that didn’t seem enough, they announced they would cut off two more.

The tactics have left Venezuelans like Yosmar Nowak, the owner of a coffee shop in Caracas, convinced that there is no solution in sight and that the government cannot even bring down the price of a cup of coffee, an eye-watering 2 million bolivars.

“I imagine if we keep like this we’re going to have to do the same thing in December,” said Nowak, who has been forced to raise prices in her cafe at least 40 times this year.

Slashing zeros from Venezuela’s inflation-cursed currency, the bolivar, is the tent-pole of a set of economic changes by President Nicolás Maduro as he tries to right his country’s capsized economy. The five-digit inflation has earned Venezuela comparisons to the hyperinflation of Zimbabwe and Weimar Germany from the International Monetary Fund.

The newly minted currency, which will be known as the “sovereign bolívar,” will be rolled out Monday. In addition, the president has ordered measures his United Socialist Party has been loath to consider in the past: An increase in gas prices for some drivers and a modest ease in the currency controls that have made dollars inaccessible to most Venezuelans for years.
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More:  https://www.wral.com/swamped-in-inflation-venezuela-will-cut-five-zeros-from-currency/17774600/

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It's not the same as the famous photos of wheelbarrows full of cash, but it's pretty close:

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A toilet paper roll next to 2,600,000 bolivars, its price and the equivalent of 0.40 USD.
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More images:  https://widerimage.reuters.com/story/venezuelans-rush-to-shops-before-monetary-overhaul

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Things haven't gone so well with the roll out for the new currency:

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Venezuela came to a standstill on Tuesday as the country tried to deal with its newly introduced currency.

Thousands of businesses closed in order to adapt to the "sovereign bolivar", and many workers stayed at home.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-latin-america-45262525

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The UN estimates that 2.3 million Venezuelans have fled since 2015 with Colombian authorities predicting 2 million more could follow by 2020. That would mean some 4.3 million people – 14% of Venezuela’s population – had taken flight.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/26/venezuelan-mass-exodus-continues-amid-economic-turmoil

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From 8/17:

More:  https://www.wral.com/swamped-in-inflation-venezuela-will-cut-five-zeros-from-currency/17774600/

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It's not the same as the famous photos of wheelbarrows full of cash, but it's pretty close:

More images:  https://widerimage.reuters.com/story/venezuelans-rush-to-shops-before-monetary-overhaul

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Things haven't gone so well with the roll out for the new currency:

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-latin-america-45262525

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/26/venezuelan-mass-exodus-continues-amid-economic-turmoil

Venezuela’s number two official has suggested his country’s escalating migration crisis – described by the United Nations as one of the worst in Latin American history – is being staged as part of a rightwing ruse to undermine his government.

Speaking at a congress of the ruling United Social party this week, Diosdado Cabello implied that images of Venezuelans fleeing through South America on foot had been manufactured.

“Doesn’t it strike you as suspicious there are photos of [these people] walking along the roadside in Peru, walking along the roadside in Ecuador, walking along the roadside in Colombia,” the president of Venezuela’s constituent assembly told delegates, according to the Caracas broadsheet El Nacional. 

“It’s as if it was: ‘Lights, camera, action!’ It is a campaign against our country – a campaign of extraordinary dimensions,” Cabello added.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/28/venezuela-diosdado-cabello-refugee-footage-fake

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Too bad the drones weren’t successful in killing that son of a bitch. I think targeted assassinations are still needed and should be a tool in the bucket for the CIA. I was very sad to see the coup to overthrow Erdogan failed in Turkey a few years ago.

That was a fake coup triggered by Erdogan to eliminate his rivals.  

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Venezuela’s number two official has suggested his country’s escalating migration crisis – described by the United Nations as one of the worst in Latin American history – is being staged as part of a rightwing ruse to undermine his government.

Speaking at a congress of the ruling United Social party this week, Diosdado Cabello implied that images of Venezuelans fleeing through South America on foot had been manufactured.

“Doesn’t it strike you as suspicious there are photos of [these people] walking along the roadside in Peru, walking along the roadside in Ecuador, walking along the roadside in Colombia,” the president of Venezuela’s constituent assembly told delegates, according to the Caracas broadsheet El Nacional. 

“It’s as if it was: ‘Lights, camera, action!’ It is a campaign against our country – a campaign of extraordinary dimensions,” Cabello added.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/28/venezuela-diosdado-cabello-refugee-footage-fake

Part of the don't believe what you read and see crowd it appears.

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Part of the don't believe what you read and see crowd it appears.

A pretty bleak reminder that authoritarianism is authoritarianism.  Trying to sell me fascist authoritarianism as more palatable than socialist authoritarianism is like extolling the virtues of a shit sandwich served on white bread instead of wheat.  Focus all you want on the bread, I'm not gonna take my eyes off that greasy pile of shit in the middle that you think I should eat.

Attack objective media coverage because it's not favorable to you?  Fuck you, authoritarian cockmunch -- Trump or Maduro, IDGAF what your name is.  

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