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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Title IX is not a sports statute, its an education statute.  Heretofore, the focus has been on the educational opportunity provided to women by sports scholarships, thus on the educational aspects of it.  So it governs the number of scholarships given to female athletes relative to male athletes, and only indirectly governs or impacts sports themselves.

Now that we're looking at it as a business and pretty much chunking the education part out the window (the education funding is still taken care of by scholarships I presume), an argument can be made that this has fuck all to do with education/educational opportunity (quite the opposite actually), so Title IX doesn't have any bearing on this.

Revenue sharing actually increased the amount of women’s scholarships to Texas if I’m not mistaken 

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3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Title IX is not a sports statute, its an education statute.  Heretofore, the focus has been on the educational opportunity provided to women by sports scholarships, thus on the educational aspects of it.  So it governs the number of scholarships given to female athletes relative to male athletes, and only indirectly governs or impacts sports themselves.

Now that we're looking at it as a business and pretty much chunking the education part out the window (the education funding is still taken care of by scholarships I presume), an argument can be made that this has fuck all to do with education/educational opportunity (quite the opposite actually), so Title IX doesn't have any bearing on this.

This is one way to look at it.

But another is that, just like scholarships, revenue paid directly to athletes is another manner to influence and affect educational opportunity offered to women vs. men.  And if more money is being paid to men, or men's sports, then you're right back in the middle of a Title IX issue.  None of them are employees, they're still considered students, so Title IX implications could still be in effect.

I expect plenty of Title IX cases to be filed, and so I suppose the courts will have their say in the matter.

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1 hour ago, utee94 said:

This is one way to look at it.

But another is that, just like scholarships, revenue paid directly to athletes is another manner to influence and affect educational opportunity offered to women vs. men.  And if more money is being paid to men, or men's sports, then you're right back in the middle of a Title IX issue.  None of them are employees, they're still considered students, so Title IX implications could still be in effect.

I expect plenty of Title IX cases to be filed, and so I suppose the courts will have their say in the matter.

/no CR but it's informative here..

 

February 12, 2025

The U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights (OCR) today announced it has rescinded the nine-page Title IX guidance on Name, Image, Likeness (NIL) issued in the final days of the Biden administration: 

“The NIL guidance, rammed through by the Biden Administration in its final days, is overly burdensome, profoundly unfair, and it goes well beyond what agency guidance is intended to achieve. Without a credible legal justification, the Biden Administration claimed that NIL agreements between schools and student athletes are akin to financial aid and must, therefore, be proportionately distributed between male and female athletes under Title IX. Enacted over 50 years ago, Title IX says nothing about how revenue-generating athletics programs should allocate compensation among student athletes. The claim that Title IX forces schools and colleges to distribute student-athlete revenues proportionately based on gender equity considerations is sweeping and would require clear legal authority to support it. That does not exist. Accordingly, the Biden NIL guidance is rescinded,” said Acting Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights Craig Trainor. 

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15 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

/no CR but it's informative here..

 

February 12, 2025

The U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights (OCR) today announced it has rescinded the nine-page Title IX guidance on Name, Image, Likeness (NIL) issued in the final days of the Biden administration: 

“The NIL guidance, rammed through by the Biden Administration in its final days, is overly burdensome, profoundly unfair, and it goes well beyond what agency guidance is intended to achieve. Without a credible legal justification, the Biden Administration claimed that NIL agreements between schools and student athletes are akin to financial aid and must, therefore, be proportionately distributed between male and female athletes under Title IX. Enacted over 50 years ago, Title IX says nothing about how revenue-generating athletics programs should allocate compensation among student athletes. The claim that Title IX forces schools and colleges to distribute student-athlete revenues proportionately based on gender equity considerations is sweeping and would require clear legal authority to support it. That does not exist. Accordingly, the Biden NIL guidance is rescinded,” said Acting Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights Craig Trainor. 

Oh sure, the statute is rescinded.

But now come the court cases.  They're already happening.  There will be more.

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28 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Revenue isn't federally funded, there is no legal standing.

We're absolutely going to find out whether or not the courts agree with you.

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28 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

This is where I was expecting it to go. They’re not going to be able to shut down the collectives and the old, poor bag cheaters can all go and keep getting fucked. All the way. Go fuck yourselves Bama, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, FSU, and the like. Cry more. 

I'm not a lawyer but yeah, I don't see how anyone can legally limit compensation unless there is full collective bargaining like the NFL. I think it's a question of when, not if, this clearinghouse stuff that limits collectives gets thrown aside.

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36 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

This is where I was expecting it to go. They’re not going to be able to shut down the collectives and the old, poor bag cheaters can all go and keep getting fucked. All the way. Go fuck yourselves Bama, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, FSU, and the like. Cry more. 

I would assume that's why Texas One is staying independent?  Or at least a large driver of that?  So that if/when everyone says "just kidding- the collectives can still pay whatever they want to on top of the school revenue share" we will have fully established that UT kicks in 20M for student athlete salaries and the collectives drive the number higher so we can get all the 5 stars that Tech or Baylor won't deign to sign?

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Posted
6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Title IX is not a sports statute, its an education statute.  Heretofore, the focus has been on the educational opportunity provided to women by sports scholarships, thus on the educational aspects of it.  So it governs the number of scholarships given to female athletes relative to male athletes, and only indirectly governs or impacts sports themselves.

Now that we're looking at it as a business and pretty much chunking the education part out the window (the education funding is still taken care of by scholarships I presume), an argument can be made that this has fuck all to do with education/educational opportunity (quite the opposite actually), so Title IX doesn't have any bearing on this.

That said, there are few schools in compliance from a scholarship perspective. Some, like Oklahoma State, are far off the numbers. The only enforcement mechanism for Title IX is the court system. There's no regulatory body - state, federal, or a third party like the NCAA or conferences - enforcing the federal law when it comes to scholarship opportunities. And while Title IX isn't about compensation, there are still lawyers who are filing suits that say schools administering NIL to athletes directly should be complying with Title IX statutes. Whether I agree with that stance or not, the lawsuits are being filed. 

It's not necessarily about the merits of each case. It's about how much of a threat it can be to the NCAA so they're forced to settle rather than risk a judgement in court. 

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2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

This is where I was expecting it to go. They’re not going to be able to shut down the collectives and the old, poor bag cheaters can all go and keep getting fucked. All the way. Go fuck yourselves Bama, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, FSU, and the like. Cry more. 

Interesting article.  This goes back to my primary question (I never came back to repost in a more concise manner) which is, if, hypothetically, a Collective has $10MM cash on hand tagged for football (via combination of recurring monthly donations + larger individual donations), how is that money allocated by the Collective post settlement considering it can no longer be used to subsidize non-profit appearance fee contracts, etc. 

Seems like per the reddit post above + this article this is still very much TBD?  

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So a little off-topic, but was Del Conte really trying to get women's gymnastics to UT? 

I wouldn't mind revenue sharing with those chicks. The Olympic team trains in Texas, so we could reasonably land some of them. We would be a powerhouse in the sport in less than 5 years, imo. 

And no, unless you have insight into whether we will or will not get a team, I don't care. 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

So a little off-topic, but was Del Conte really trying to get women's gymnastics to UT? 

I wouldn't mind revenue sharing with those chicks. The Olympic team trains in Texas, so we could reasonably land some of them. We would be a powerhouse in the sport in less than 5 years, imo. 

And no, unless you have insight into whether we will or will not get a team, I don't care. 

It will happen eventually. Previously, IIRC the issue was supposedly practice space, Moody could definitely be used for competitions, but not for practice. Then of course its all Title IX shit and we opted for sand volleyball instead. My wife and kids are super into gymnastics and have been dying for a team. I haven't gotten an update on that in a long time but I will definitely ask

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1 minute ago, RGBIII said:

It will happen eventually. Previously, IIRC the issue was supposedly practice space, Moody could definitely be used for competitions, but not for practice. Then of course its all Title IX shit and we opted for sand volleyball instead. My wife and kids are super into gymnastics and have been dying for a team. I haven't gotten an update on that in a long time but I will definitely ask

I appreciate it. I love watching gymnastics, too. We would load up, imo. 

I'm happy we have sand volleyball, but we need a gymnastics team. Fucking Title IX shit. 

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17 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I assume that number is their total AD revenue (checking, it is).  With which they have to fund all of their operations, not just pay athletes.  By the same report, they spent $41,887,842 on operations, leaving a surplus or profit of less than $3M.

Money can be shifted around some, but thinking they're going to be able to fund the full 20.5 out of 43.2 is not realistic.

The USA Today revenue numbers include donations, I believe.  So, for schools with the donor base, I assume revenue will expand by whatever is the magic number under the House Settlement, or anything that takes its place, currently $20.5.

Again, I ask, that $20.5 number has to increase over time, is there a formula for it?  An annual percentage increase?

Addendum.  I saw something credible that said donations are excluded for purposes of accounting for the roughly 22% of P5 programs/conference revenue that gives you the $20.5.

And there is a 4% escalator for the first four years.

Also, this settlement only has a term of 10 years.

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Some have noted that the $20.5M for the House settlement is a difficult lift for more ADs. Donations and severe cost cutting are needed. 
 
Just want to remind that there is another way. ADs can just get $20.5 M from regular university funds. 
 
Sure, it’s an ugly look. They’ll get over it. 

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11 hours ago, statsman said:

Just want to remind that there is another way. ADs can just get $20.5 M from regular university funds
 
Sure, it’s an ugly look. They’ll get over it. 

This is where the ags are vikings!

 

 

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Posted
13 hours ago, statsman said:

Some have noted that the $20.5M for the House settlement is a difficult lift for more ADs. Donations and severe cost cutting are needed. 
 
Just want to remind that there is another way. ADs can just get $20.5 M from regular university funds. 
 
Sure, it’s an ugly look. They’ll get over it. 

I'm not sure whether it has any chance of passing, but the current version of the Score Act would prevent the use of student fees for athletics.

Posted
16 hours ago, statsman said:

Just want to remind that there is another way. ADs can just get $20.5 M from regular university funds. 

Please explain how this would work.

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Here's the article:

Spoiler
Texas A&M student-athletes received a combined $51.4 million in name, image and likeness (NIL) compensation from July 1, 2024, to June 30, 2025, according to figures received through an open records request.
 
A&M men’s sports received a combined $49.2 million and A&M women’s sports received a combined $2.2 million. This is the fourth year that college athletes have been able to receive NIL compensation. Despite a request by The Eagle, A&M officials declined to split NIL compensation by sport but did divide figures by gender.
 
The 2024-25 figure is up from a combined $19.4 million in 2023-24 when A&M men’s athletes received a combined $18.9 million and women’s athletes received a combined $528,184.86. In 2022-23, A&M athletes received a combined $6.1 million with men getting $6.0 million and women getting 154,721. In the first year NIL was legal, A&M athletes received a combined $3.0 million with $2.9 million going to men’s athletes and $100,299 going to women’s athletes.
 
State lawmakers first enacted legislation that legalized NIL compensation in 2021. The law was amended during the 2023 session, and was amended again this spring with House Bill 126, which was passed and signed into law and now allows Texas universities, including A&M, to make direct payments to student-athletes.
 
The HB 126 amendment also allows athletes to enter into financial agreements with universities before they enroll, with a caveat that they would not be able to receive payments until they are enrolled. It also provides flexibility for athletes and universities to comply with future college athletics rules, even if they conflict with state law.
 
HB 126 was proposed and passed prior to the approval of the House v. NCAA settlement, which resolved three class-action antitrust lawsuits and established a 10-year revenue-sharing model where athletic departments can directly pay college athletes up to 22% of athletic revenue beginning in the 2025-26 season. The cap is estimated to be $20.5 million per school this coming year and will increase 4% annually throughout the 10-year settlement agreement with court assessments every three years. The settlement also includes $2.8 billion in backpay to thousands of former student-athletes from 2016-24 that lost name, image and likeness (NIL) compensation.
 
A&M will share $18 million in revenue with six sports this upcoming season — football, baseball, men’s basketball, softball, volleyball and women’s basketball — and fund 410 scholarships among its 20 programs under the new roster limits, which is an increase of 154.8 scholarships from the old system. This allows A&M to fund almost every roster spot available that complies with Southeastern Conference and Title IX rules.
 
 

 

Posted
55 minutes ago, Machinator said:

 

I honestly can’t tell if A&M athletics wants this published to convince recruits they’re one of the biggest players in college athletics or if this is a hit piece because A&M has so little to show for $51 million. 

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