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2 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

When were they DII? That would have to go back more than 40 years ago, because they were 1-AA in the mid-80's.

Early 80’s.  Made the jump to 1-AA right after they won their last national title in D2 in 1982.  That was also Jim Wacker’s last year at SWT.  

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14 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

What a clusterfuck

When is our SEC membership gonna result in a "better" home schedule? This year's is a bad joke.

If you are counting on the SEC doing any kinda of scheduling that makes sense, don’t hold your breath.  This is the same conference that had a&m and Georgia play once in 13 year?  

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Posted
7 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

If you are counting on the SEC doing any kinda of scheduling that makes sense, don’t hold your breath.  This is the same conference that had a&m and Georgia play once in 13 year?  

I never understood how that gap was facilitated and allowed to be overlooked.   

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If you are counting on the SEC doing any kinda of scheduling that makes sense, don’t hold your breath.  This is the same conference that had a&m and Georgia play once in 13 year?  

It just meant more?
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On 6/27/2025 at 2:23 PM, Sbbruin said:

I wish they would just change the name of the conference.  For this shit product to carry the great name of the PAC 8/10/12 is a travesty.

This might have more punch if it didn't come from an alumni of a school that betrayed the conference in the 1st place.

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I do think they should drop the 12 and just be the PAC.

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Posted

I guess Texas is out of the Sunbelt altogether, the only team left is Sam Houston, and I don't think they are Sunbelt worthy. Sounds like La Tech or Western Kentucky. My guess in WKU, there's likely a reason La. Tech is always left behind. 

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36 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I guess Texas is out of the Sunbelt altogether, the only team left is Sam Houston, and I don't think they are Sunbelt worthy. Sounds like La Tech or Western Kentucky. My guess in WKU, there's likely a reason La. Tech is always left behind. 

The reason is their president and AD have never wanted to associate with ULM. But they realize the writing is on the wall this time as the Sun Belt is a better conference with a better TV deal which also limits travel costs.

The 6 teams in the Sun Belt Western division is basically a bus league for LA Tech while CUSA has maybe 4? teams they could bus to.

LA Tech would prefer to join the American with UAB/Memphis but has seen programs like UNT, UTSA, FAU, and UNCC pass them by. The Sun Belt with Southern Miss, App State, Georgia Southern, Marshall, and Coastal Carolina are far more attractive than anything left in CUSA.

Add in Memphis and ECU for 16 and the Sun Belt would be nearly perfect for them (their unrealistic dream would be to drop both the Bama schools and ULM for UAB, Tulane and Rice).

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22 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

The reason is their president and AD have never wanted to associate with ULM. But they realize the writing is on the wall this time as the Sun Belt is a better conference with a better TV deal which also limits travel costs.

The 6 teams in the Sun Belt Western division is basically a bus league for LA Tech while CUSA has maybe 4? teams they could bus to.

LA Tech would prefer to join the American with UAB/Memphis but has seen programs like UNT, UTSA, FAU, and UNCC pass them by. The Sun Belt with Southern Miss, App State, Georgia Southern, Marshall, and Coastal Carolina are far more attractive than anything left in CUSA.

Add in Memphis and ECU for 16 and the Sun Belt would be nearly perfect for them (their unrealistic dream would be to drop both the Bama schools and ULM for UAB, Tulane and Rice).

The first part sounds really stupid, I don't see La Tech turning down more money and prestige in the Sunbelt by voluntarily staying in the zombie Conference USA because of a beef with a nearby rival. Wouldn't it be the other way around that ULM would try and convince its partners to reject a rival? And no way the Sunbelt poaches AAC, especially Memphis. The money is still better in the AAC as is the prestige despite the Sunbelts recent football success. Memphis is staying put unless they can get an ACC or Big 12 invite. The renovated Liberty Bowl stadium might help their cause. 

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Pretty spot-on, especially given that Craven is a UTSA homer and typically slights TXST.

Why Texas State became a viable option for the Pac-12

Texas State was always considered a sleeping giant in the G5 ranks inside the Lone Star State. The
university, which is perfectly situated between the growing metropolises of Austin and San
Antonio in San Marcos, arguably the coolest college town in Texas, reported an enrollment of
40,487 in the fall of 2024. That trails only Texas A&M, Texas, Houston, and North Texas.


But the Bobcats always lacked the two things necessary to turn hope into reality in athletics, and
specifically in football: leadership and money. Texas State made a bold move to enter the FBS ranks
ahead of the 2012 season, but the administration at that time lacked the foresight and will power to
push for more. Texas State did enough to move up, but not enough to capitalize on that move. The
result? Twelve seasons of subpar results from 2012-2022, which included only one winning season
and no bowl trips.

When the university was searching for a new president in 2022, it presented prospective hires with
six bullet points. One of those was a thinly veiled cry to fix the football program so that the
university could have a bigger national reach. Texas State eventually hired Dr. Kelly Damphousse, a
Canadian-turned-Texan who understood the value of football for a university after stints at
Oklahoma and Arkansas State.

"The sixth bullet point was phrased as, 'a president who understands the value of athletics,' but I
knew what that translated to," he told Dave Campbell's Texas Football back in 2023. If a rising tide
lifts all boats, football is that tide. When I met the search committee, I said that if we can fix
football, that will take care of a few bullet points, including the one about raising our national
recognition."

Damphousse worked quickly to build the realignment and buy-in behind the scenes that is vital for
athletic success. He made Don Coryell the athletic director and hired G.J. Kinne to be the head
coach of the football program ahead of the 2023 season. The Bobcats have won eight games and
the bowl game in consecutive seasons and enter 2025 as one of the favorites to win the Sun Belt.

With the proper leadership in place, the only thing left standing in the way was finances. Jake
Spavital, who was the football head coach before Kinne, used his own money to buy jugs machines
and practice equipment when he was hired ahead of the 2019 season. Finding money for proper
nutrition was nearly impossible. The only weight room big enough to house the entire Bobcat
football team was at the local high school. So was the only indoor football facility.

Turns out, competent leadership also produces better fundraising. Texas State secured $30-
plus million dollars for renovations of the Weisman Football Performance Center that included the
addition of the William Trevilian IV Weight Room. The on-campus stadium recieved a facelift that 
included new field turf and a new name - UFCU Stadium. Those investments made it easier for
Kinne and the Bobcats to attract the talent required to win at a high level.

But as college athletics moved towards a revenue-sharing model that goes into place on July 1, even
more was required. The Sun Belt's media rights deal paid roughly $2 million per school. Rivals like
UTSA received more than double that amount in the AAC. Something needed to be done, and that
meant conference realignment. Texas State turned down an invitation to join the Mountain West
Conference a year ago with the belief that a bigger paycheck would become available. That
occurred when the Pac-12 began searching for an eighth full-time football member.

Texas State received the official invite from the Pac-12 on Thursday and plan to formally accept it
on Monday during a regents meeting. While the final figures of the Pac-12 media rights deal are
not yet public, the Bobcats will see an increase in pay regardless of if they receive a full share right
away. The move should also help with fundraising and season ticket sales as games Oregon State,
Washington State, and Boise State are sure to provide more excitement than Southern Miss and
Louisiana-Monroe.

Texas State's glow up is a perfect illustration of what can be accomplished when ambition meets
alignment. The Bobcats are no longer in the shadows of their peers across the state like UTSA and
North Texas. While the Pac-12 they're joining is not the Pac-12 of old, the AAC that their in-state
rivals occupy is also not the AAC of old. Conference realignment has eroded the depth and quality
of both of those conferences. But that doesn't mean this isn't a historic move for Texas State that
will raise the national brand of the football program, and in turn raise the profile of the entire
university.

Texas State always knew how to win the tailgate. The Bobcats figured out how to win football
games and how to win over their own fanbase. And it resulted in a move to arguablv the best G6
conference in existence. A sleeping giant no more, it'll be fun to see what the Bobcats can do now
that their finances and leadership are clearly improved.

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Posted
27 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

Our leadership team, especially the president, has done a phenomenal job.

Can't be overstated.  The combination of Denise Trauth and Larry Teis was just brutal for us, especially when trying to move to FBS was crippling.  For you Longhorns - think of where you would be if Steve Patterson was your AD for 15 years and the president just couldn't be bothered.  As CDC has been your messiah, so too has Kelly Damphousse been ours.

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3 hours ago, 'stache said:

The first part sounds really stupid, I don't see La Tech turning down more money and prestige in the Sunbelt by voluntarily staying in the zombie Conference USA because of a beef with a nearby rival. Wouldn't it be the other way around that ULM would try and convince its partners to reject a rival? And no way the Sunbelt poaches AAC, especially Memphis. The money is still better in the AAC as is the prestige despite the Sunbelts recent football success. Memphis is staying put unless they can get an ACC or Big 12 invite. The renovated Liberty Bowl stadium might help their cause. 

Yes the AAC’s TV deal is better…for now.

Memphis and Tulane are getting a bigger share of it so they aren’t going anywhere other than if they are invited by the P4…for now.

Moving to the Sun Belt would be a clear step down for the AAC teams, I simply stated that in Louisiana Tech’s nonP4 dream scenario that is the best case scenario what they could wish for.

Posted
8 hours ago, 'stache said:

I guess Texas is out of the Sunbelt altogether, the only team left is Sam Houston, and I don't think they are Sunbelt worthy. Sounds like La Tech or Western Kentucky. My guess in WKU, there's likely a reason La. Tech is always left behind. 

In what way is Sam Houston not worthy of the Sunbelt?

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Athletically, Sam would be fine in the SBC.  They would have finished 7th of 14 in Directors' Cup points if they were in the conference last year.

Their facilities are a joke.  The only reason they're FBS today is the minimum attendance requirement was dropped a couple years ago.  14K is tiny.

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On 6/27/2025 at 1:49 PM, 'stache said:

The FCS games are for early season warmups or for SEC a November rest week. There are other matchups every week for TV purposes. The networks know the ratings will be low for those games, they would be the ones pressing to stop them if it was a problem. 

Well the Big 10 tried to stop it to get a better TV deal, but the ADs are trying to undo that.

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On 6/28/2025 at 11:26 PM, TrashMaster G said:

When were they DII? That would have to go back more than 40 years ago, because they were 1-AA in the mid-80's.

The last time they had a good football team.  They won a couple of Division II titles in 81/82 with Jim Wacker.  In 84 they moved to I-AA.

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The last time we had a good football team was 2005 and made the FCS Final 4.  David Bailiff decided to kneel out regulation and go to overtime when we had been moving the ball all game - 450+yds and 25 1st downs and had like 1:15 left in the 4th.  That decision hangs over our program for eternity.

 

This dude has come out of nowhere to be our LSUFreek.  He's been cranking out edits like a madman the last 2 weeks.

 

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12 hours ago, chainsaw said:

They almost beat the Skattebos too

Spoke to a guy I tailgate with last week about all the PAC news and he tells me he's friends w/ one of ASU's AC.  They spoke recently and the AC told him that the reason our production went to shit in the 4Q was they figured out who our playcaller was (we have like 3 guys calling plays in) and what the plays were.  336yds and 4 TD through 3Q...62yds and 3 TO in the 4th.

BTW - held Skattebo to his lowest YPC of the year & his 3rd lowest total yds on the year.  Unreal that we stopped their #1 weapon and still lost.  We legit should have had 10 or 11 wins last year - amazing what we pissed away.

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2 hours ago, GJ Winne said:

Spoke to a guy I tailgate with last week about all the PAC news and he tells me he's friends w/ one of ASU's AC.  They spoke recently and the AC told him that the reason our production went to shit in the 4Q was they figured out who our playcaller was (we have like 3 guys calling plays in) and what the plays were.  336yds and 4 TD through 3Q...62yds and 3 TO in the 4th.

BTW - held Skattebo to his lowest YPC of the year & his 3rd lowest total yds on the year.  Unreal that we stopped their #1 weapon and still lost.  We legit should have had 10 or 11 wins last year - amazing what we pissed away.

It was a very entertaining game.

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3 hours ago, GJ Winne said:

Spoke to a guy I tailgate with last week about all the PAC news and he tells me he's friends w/ one of ASU's AC.  They spoke recently and the AC told him that the reason our production went to shit in the 4Q was they figured out who our playcaller was (we have like 3 guys calling plays in) and what the plays were.  336yds and 4 TD through 3Q...62yds and 3 TO in the 4th.

BTW - held Skattebo to his lowest YPC of the year & his 3rd lowest total yds on the year.  Unreal that we stopped their #1 weapon and still lost.  We legit should have had 10 or 11 wins last year - amazing what we pissed away.

Then lost to poor Sam two weeks later.

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Posted
2 hours ago, GJ Winne said:

Can you imagine their disgust just thinking about associating with us academic paupers?  

The biggest red herring out there when it comes to conferences.  

Posted
1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

It was a very entertaining game.

3/4 of it was awesome!

10 minutes ago, deter said:

Then lost to poor Sam two weeks later.

With another 2nd half/4Q collapse.  It didn't help that our best D player was on the sidelines quiet quitting so he could redshirt and get an NIL bag this upcoming year.  Still pissed at that fuckhead...and at GJ for how he handled it.

But we also completely shit the bed a couple weeks later @ ODU, who would finish the season at 5-7.  Like I said - we had 10-11 wins staring us in the face and we spit the bit.

8 minutes ago, PGFrog said:

The biggest red herring out there when it comes to conferences.  

Maybe, but I also want no part of competing against Stanford, and I don't imagine anyone else in the PAC feels like playing for 2nd in pretty much every sport.

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19 minutes ago, PGFrog said:

The biggest red herring out there when it comes to conferences.  

It’s the very real reason Stanford and Cal are playing on the other side of the country and not the Big XII. 

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On 6/27/2025 at 1:14 PM, PGFrog said:

So why the push?  In large part because the academics and alums behind the push want to be known as a school about research and academics and not athletics.

The horror!

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52 minutes ago, 'stache said:

It’s the very real reason Stanford and Cal are playing on the other side of the country and not the Big XII. 

After they helped kill the conference by insisting the Pac not adjust to the direction every other school outside the Pac was going in college football.

Do you think it was an accident that they weren't even given a thought by the Big 10.

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24 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

The horror!

There is nothing wrong with high academic standards, there is nothing wrong with wanting to be among the elite in terms of research etc...but if you want to be competitive in college athletics you better be willing to spend the money.  

For some schools that is possible due to certain advantages of size.  

If you don't have that, you have to decide what you are wiling to do to be successful.  

 

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I haven’t seen it mentioned lately, but the “pac” doesn’t expect to be a power conference right? They’ve resigned themselves to the Group, yes?

Talking from their perspective, not the obvious answer everyone else already knows. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, thunderlounge said:

I haven’t seen it mentioned lately, but the “pac” doesn’t expect to be a power conference right? They’ve resigned themselves to the Group, yes?

The only people referring to the PAC as a Power 5 conference are online shit stirrers.  Gould hasn't mentioned it once.  Hell, the new PAC isn't as good of a football conference as the Sun Belt, so no, no one is expecting an automatic bid to the playoff.

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4 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

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Nice, smart arse.  

Some on here aren't tied to a school that has to make a choice as to what they want to do with a finite amount of resources. 

When has Texas ever had to worry about funding building projects,  expanding the campus, and going back to donors one more time for home.  

There is a damn good reason for a long time Texas caught shit for not doing more with what they had on the athletic side as they burnt through money at Belmont.  

The school has made some damn good hires,  got things working again after clearing out some dead weight and the next time things change they don't have to worry about getting an invite to the next tier. 

Enjoy it, truly appreciate what you have and good luck next year. 

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1 hour ago, thunderlounge said:

I haven’t seen it mentioned lately, but the “pac” doesn’t expect to be a power conference right? They’ve resigned themselves to the Group, yes?

Talking from their perspective, not the obvious answer everyone else already knows. 

They lost that status last season when they only had 2 members and I don't think they'll get it back based on the new additions. So as it sits they are not part of the autonomous (i.e. power) conferences and I doubt they would even try to regain that status.

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16 minutes ago, 'stache said:

They lost that status last season when they only had 2 members and I don't think they'll get it back based on the new additions. So as it sits they are not part of the autonomous (i.e. power) conferences and I doubt they would even try to regain that status.

 

Right, but that’s everyone else's perspective. I’m just wondering what the pac thinks. I’m guessing they know their place. 

Posted
2 hours ago, PGFrog said:

The biggest red herring out there when it comes to conferences.  

Not for some schools.

I think it’s utterly moronic to think who you play sports with says anything about your academics, but that’s 100% how Stanford and Cal think, as well as large swaths of the Big 10.

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Seems to me the goal of the Pac was to become the best non-power league and the path to do that was by getting the serious MWC schools on board.

Now they’re the only conference besides the MAC to exist solely on the same side of the Mississippi, and have the largest G6 (we have to call it that, right?) fanbases in one spot.

I think this is a league that understands their position really well and has put together a compelling product that I’ll be tuning into.  Most of the time, the G6 rep will come out of here, I suspect.  In hoops, they will be extremely salty and there will be a debate as to whether they’re a high or mid major.

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