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Hey everyone, don't get caught up in my $300 number.  Perhaps it was too high.  The point is ... what was the point again? 🙂  The point is the school year is ending and if you want to give your kid's teacher a little gift with a nice note from your kid it will make the teacher's day.  About 95% of families do not do this.  I do think that most families appreciate their teachers, they just don't think about it with summer coming up.

BTW, Prop A last year in Austin ISD raised about $170,000,000 in new taxes.  There are about 5500 teachers in Austin ISD.  So you say, well, that's about $30,000 per teacher, go get it from that pile!  ... not ....   The state took a 75% cut and the district used less than half of the rest of the money for teacher raises.  About 90% was gone before it made it to teacher raises, and we will pay the Prop A tax every year.

It's really a shame, because if we could take that pile and give it to teachers and staff, we could make a big dent in their ability to live in Austin.

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On 5/25/2025 at 6:23 PM, MrBig said:

Most teachers now only are teaching because it’s the next step up in the career ladder. They can make 3X to 4X the money being assistant principals and principals, but they need the 3-5 years in the trenches as classroom teachers before they can apply for AP roles. I remember being in high school and the teachers were old ladies or old coaches who had been there for 20+ years. It’s not like this anymore with the younger generation of teachers and the younger generation of shithead kids who can’t go 5 seconds without their phones. 

Where the hell are your numbers coming from? It’s pure absurdity. Do you really think assistant principals are making 150k or more a year?

After 10 years of teaching in AISD I made 55k. After 4 years of being an AP I made 67k. As a principal I made 104k.

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My wife would do $100 worth stuff for the parents at Christmas time and another $100 for end of the year (Teacher week or whatever they would call it) every year back in the day. Can confirm that teachers appreciated it and for the siblings coming up through the pipeline behind them it helped turn those 88's and 89's into 90's on the ole transcript ;)

Maybe it's placebo in my mind, but teachers are humans and in a jump ball they probably bias for the kids/families they like, was always my guess.

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13 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

also not legal.

When has that ever mattered to this regime? 

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On 5/25/2025 at 7:23 PM, MrBig said:

Most teachers now only are teaching because it’s the next step up in the career ladder. They can make 3X to 4X the money being assistant principals and principals, but they need the 3-5 years in the trenches as classroom teachers before they can apply for AP roles. 

Um, no. None of this is true.

(I’m in higher ed but my sister is a high school teacher/coach.)

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On 5/25/2025 at 6:23 PM, MrBig said:

Most teachers now only are teaching because it’s the next step up in the career ladder. They can make 3X to 4X the money being assistant principals and principals, but they need the 3-5 years in the trenches as classroom teachers before they can apply for AP roles. I remember being in high school and the teachers were old ladies or old coaches who had been there for 20+ years. It’s not like this anymore with the younger generation of teachers and the younger generation of shithead kids who can’t go 5 seconds without their phones. 

You're an idiot.

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TEA announced today that it is extending the takeover of HISD for an additional two years, now through 2027. Once the state moves in, they will never go back to local control. It’s a cautionary tale for AISD.

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8 minutes ago, royiv said:

TEA announced today that it is extending the takeover of HISD for an additional two years, now through 2027. Once the state moves in, they will never go back to local control. It’s a cautionary tale for AISD.

I noticed in the TxTrib story about the STAAR bill failing that the Senate had slipped a provision into their version of the bill that would allow the TEA to take over, and appoint a conservator for, any district that sued the state/TEA, about anything.  It's a blessing that bill failed.

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16 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Lol

A&M is joining six other institutions to create their own accreditation board.

 

"Come attend our university!  It is now 'WHOOP!' certified!"

Where do I sign up?

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Regarding the gift giving culture that permeates elementary school classrooms these days, it’s fucked up I should be expected to give gift cards 4-5 times a school year to teachers for doing their jobs instead of being able to send my kids to public school I pay for where the teachers are paid enough not to need my Target and Starbucks gift cards to supplement their income. Plenty of people work for similar salaries and don’t have  these expectations. Also it’s mainly a middle class and up school districts where this happens and those teachers are not dealing with the worst of worst conditions that lower class and poverty stricken schools and districts are dealing with. So yes we fall into the peer pressure of a couple hundred bucks a year to help our kid’s teachers out that my mom never got teaching in lower income areas. But my wife’s mom taught in nicer areas and thinks it’s the norm so then so does my wife.

 

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29 minutes ago, Covri said:

Regarding the gift giving culture that permeates elementary school classrooms these days, it’s fucked up I should be expected to give gift cards 4-5 times a school year to teachers for doing their jobs instead of being able to send my kids to public school I pay for where the teachers are paid enough not to need my Target and Starbucks gift cards to supplement their income. Plenty of people work for similar salaries and don’t have  these expectations. Also it’s mainly a middle class and up school districts where this happens and those teachers are not dealing with the worst of worst conditions that lower class and poverty stricken schools and districts are dealing with. So yes we fall into the peer pressure of a couple hundred bucks a year to help our kid’s teachers out that my mom never got teaching in lower income areas. But my wife’s mom taught in nicer areas and thinks it’s the norm so then so does my wife.

 

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While I don’t entirely disagree with your premise, I want to note a key distinction here: these teachers are not using those gift cards to “supplement their income”. In the case of my wife and many of her colleagues, they’re using those cards to buy classroom supplies that they are given no budget to purchase because of the continued degradation of school funding in our state - or, using them to buy protein bars to keep on hand since budgets for free breakfasts and lunches have been severely cut by our esteemed governor.

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I'm a middle school teacher so I don't really expect any gift cards, but I do still typically get  5-10 at Christmas and during teacher appreciation week. (I generally have in the neighborhood of 140-150 kids on my rosters).

Any Amazon cards I get are spent on crap for the classroom. Pencils and folders and such. Starbucks cards go to my wife. Whataburger cards are used by me, usually during inservice training days.

It's nice, but not required or expected. I appreciate a card written by the student, where I can also tell they've written something they actually believe and not something their parents dictated. Those are better than the gift cards.

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3 hours ago, sasquatch69 said:

While I don’t entirely disagree with your premise, I want to note a key distinction here: these teachers are not using those gift cards to “supplement their income”. In the case of my wife and many of her colleagues, they’re using those cards to buy classroom supplies that they are given no budget to purchase because of the continued degradation of school funding in our state - or, using them to buy protein bars to keep on hand since budgets for free breakfasts and lunches have been severely cut by our esteemed governor.

The poster TexasJeff was asking for money to supplement teacher pay. That's what I was responding to. We provide supplies too as classroom parents and through teacher supply drives. I was just venting about the endless ask for more parent money to supplement what our taxes should be paying for to being with.

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For me it’s similar to how former servers usually tip well at restaurants. When I was a teacher, I drove uber two days a week. That was Fridays after work and Sundays after lesson planning. It was hard to live in Austin on 55k and have any kind of financial goals. I don’t have kids but try to take care of the teachers I know now that I make more.

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12 hours ago, Covri said:

The poster TexasJeff was asking for money to supplement teacher pay. That's what I was responding to. We provide supplies too as classroom parents and through teacher supply drives. I was just venting about the endless ask for more parent money to supplement what our taxes should be paying for to being with.

Ideally the tax you pay should pay for everything .. teacher supplies, the teacher, the building.  Austin ISD raises plenty of money through taxes to pay teachers enough.  But the state takes half of it away, and so there it goes. 

I've thought about ways of getting teachers more money so they can afford to live in the community they serve.  I welcome everyone's ideas.  The only thing I've come up with is gift cards or just handing over cash, since district revenue is strictly controlled by the legislature, and they are not even covering increases in inflation.  I get that not everyone can donate.  And it's also not fair to schools with higher numbers of poor kids, and our schools are very economically segregated.  All true.

About 5-10% of my wife's students give her a gift card at the end of the year, and most cards are $10-$20, and about half of them are Starbucks, and we don't drink coffee.  This is at a 10% eco-dis school, so not the poorest parents in town.  If you do like a teacher and want to give them something at the end of the year, HEB or Amazon cards are probably a better choice.  If your school is hitting you up for teacher gifts 3-4 times a year and you are giving $20 each time, you are in the top tier of givers.

I have seen good teachers leave for a non-teaching job with 2x or 3x the pay.  Teachers want to teach, but they also want to someday own a house and maybe have a newer car.  If your school is known for a good program ... a good robotics program, or a good band, or chemistry or advanced mathematics ... that good program that the school is "known" for is likely the result of the efforts of 1 or 2 teachers at the school.  Many "good" schools are one or two teacher attritions away from losing their best programs.

Should it be this hard to collect enough money to build good schools, attract and keep teachers, build good programs, and ensure that all kids have access to a good education and all teachers can afford to live in the communities they serve?  Seems harder than it should be.

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All valid points I don't disagree with. One thing I will suggest is if your wife has a classroom parent that helps coordinate and organize activities she should tell her where she prefers the gift cards come from. That's basically how it is at my kid's school. If a teacher likes target then they get a bunch of target gift cards, if they like Starbucks then they get a bunch of Starbucks gift cards. My oldest son, his teacher this last year liked to go to the movies so my wife got the money from the rest of the parents and went and picked up one big Cinemark gift card to give for teacher appreciation week.

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Conversations about tipping teachers. How did we get here? That was a rhetorical question. What a fucking world.

 

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1 hour ago, Texas Jeff said:

Ideally the tax you pay should pay for everything .. teacher supplies, the teacher, the building.  Austin ISD raises plenty of money through taxes to pay teachers enough.  But the state takes half of it away, and so there it goes. 

I've thought about ways of getting teachers more money so they can afford to live in the community they serve.  I welcome everyone's ideas.  The only thing I've come up with is gift cards or just handing over cash, since district revenue is strictly controlled by the legislature, and they are not even covering increases in inflation.  I get that not everyone can donate.  And it's also not fair to schools with higher numbers of poor kids, and our schools are very economically segregated.  All true.

About 5-10% of my wife's students give her a gift card at the end of the year, and most cards are $10-$20, and about half of them are Starbucks, and we don't drink coffee.  This is at a 10% eco-dis school, so not the poorest parents in town.  If you do like a teacher and want to give them something at the end of the year, HEB or Amazon cards are probably a better choice.  If your school is hitting you up for teacher gifts 3-4 times a year and you are giving $20 each time, you are in the top tier of givers.

I have seen good teachers leave for a non-teaching job with 2x or 3x the pay.  Teachers want to teach, but they also want to someday own a house and maybe have a newer car.  If your school is known for a good program ... a good robotics program, or a good band, or chemistry or advanced mathematics ... that good program that the school is "known" for is likely the result of the efforts of 1 or 2 teachers at the school.  Many "good" schools are one or two teacher attritions away from losing their best programs.

Should it be this hard to collect enough money to build good schools, attract and keep teachers, build good programs, and ensure that all kids have access to a good education and all teachers can afford to live in the communities they serve?  Seems harder than it should be.

Dude, your plan sucks. There’s just no other way to put it. It benefits one very, very small subset of teachers who happen to teach in public schools with wealthy parents. Normal workaday parents can’t afford to tip teachers. They’re struggling to put food on the table themselves and many of them make much less than the teachers. It’s a dick move to suggest that these folks should dig out their wallet and hand over cash to their kid’s teachers. But, by all means, your wife should get a gratuity because she has the good luck of teaching in a wealthy school while those other teachers working in the poor schools dealing with tons more social issues and challenging students can suck it. Maybe your wife can drive over to the poor part of town and hand over some of that cash to her colleagues in those schools.
 

I sincerely appreciate your knowledge and commentary on educational funding in this state and I haven’t read a single thing on the subject that you’ve written on this topic that I disagree with except for this particular item. On this one, you come across as unmoored from the economic realities faced by the vast majority of public school parents. 

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25 minutes ago, F250 said:

Conversations about tipping teachers. How did we get here? That was a rhetorical question. What a fucking world.

 

Tipping Teachers should probably be discussed in the Teachers Gone Wild Thread. 

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20 hours ago, Pancho said:

Lol

A&M is joining six other institutions to create their own accreditation board.

 

 

embarrassing. abbott's UT won't be far behind

 

  • DeSantis criticized the diversity, equity and inclusion standards of college accreditors and said Florida had faced accreditor pushback on new higher education laws and policies. “They exert all this power over our education institutions,” DeSantis said during the news conference at Florida Atlantic University. “That stops today.”
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21 hours ago, Covri said:

Regarding the gift giving culture that permeates elementary school classrooms these days, it’s fucked up I should be expected to give gift cards 4-5 times a school year to teachers for doing their jobs instead of being able to send my kids to public school I pay for where the teachers are paid enough not to need my Target and Starbucks gift cards to supplement their income. Plenty of people work for similar salaries and don’t have  these expectations. Also it’s mainly a middle class and up school districts where this happens and those teachers are not dealing with the worst of worst conditions that lower class and poverty stricken schools and districts are dealing with. So yes we fall into the peer pressure of a couple hundred bucks a year to help our kid’s teachers out that my mom never got teaching in lower income areas. But my wife’s mom taught in nicer areas and thinks it’s the norm so then so does my wife.

 

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You are complaining about having to give a gift card, call it $500 a year in sum, to a school that you are paying for already via property tax.

Now try being a parent or grandparent of private school kids paying full tuition but still paying into a public school and not having a way to flex that down.

My point isn't that private school families should not have to pay for public school. My point is, It is what it is and you shouldn't complain.

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12 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

You are complaining about having to give a gift card, call it $500 a year in sum, to a school that you are paying for already via property tax.

Now try being a parent or grandparent of private school kids paying full tuition but still paying into a public school and not having a way to flex that down.

My point isn't that private school families should not have to pay for public school. My point is, It is what it is and you shouldn't complain.

So don’t send your kids to private school? Not sure what your point is? This makes you sound like a bigger asshole than me complaining about the teacher gifts. I’m sure those private school teaches get gifts too.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Covri said:

So don’t send your kids to private school? Not sure what your point is? This makes you sound like a bigger asshole than me complaining about the teacher gifts. I’m sure those private school teaches get gifts too.

 

 

They do. I think the point is you sound out of touch by complaining about it and feeling entitled to not having to support or spend (above and beyond) what you already spend in taxes to fill the gap until it's filled by policy (if at all). You are griping about things outside the schools and teachers control.

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How about I change the subject and complain about all the got damn dress up theme days the school comes up with every year?  

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, the answer to all of this is that public education, in its best conception, is a social good.

It's not a quid pro quo for your tax dollars.

If you choose not to avail yourself of it, that's your choice.

If it isn't well funded enough that parents have to come out of pocket, that's a policy failure, not a choice (although the decision to help out is a choice).

Well said and fully agree.

I think my quibble was with the complaining about it. It's not the teachers or school fault, largely.

Just now, Covri said:

How about I change the subject and complain about all the got damn dress up theme days the school comes up with every year?  

Gotta keep the Gen Z's with attention spans of goldfish interested, I guess! haha

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Fat Boy’s DOJ pressured the UVA president to resign due to a “civil rights investigation” which really means the UVA president was pushing back on DEI initiatives that Fat Boy’s DOJ told him to get rid of.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Fat Boy’s DOJ pressured the UVA president to resign due to a “civil rights investigation” which really means the president was pushing back on DEI initiatives.

Stephen Miller will continue to do this until a court tells him he can’t. The chances of that happening are dwindling by the minute.

The back story: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/university-virginia-president-jim-ryan-resigned-pressure-trump-rcna215620

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We're just not a serious government anymore. It's all performance art, reality television, non-sense and a large portion of the America eat it up like their now $12 value meals leading to health problems they won't have addressed because they're losing Medicaid. 

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5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Indiana about to become the first P4/AAU university that turns into ITT tech

 

 

Chamber of Commerce types should not be anywhere near education.

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Indiana about to become the first P4/AAU university that turns into ITT tech
 
 
Very foolish considering IU's School of Music is very highly respected. Then again... MAGA!
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10 minutes ago, tchookem said:
2 hours ago, Pancho said:
Indiana about to become the first P4/AAU university that turns into ITT tech
 
 

Very foolish considering IU's School of Music is very highly respected. Then again... MAGA!

I told that teachin lady the only letters I need are USA

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4 hours ago, Captainant said:

Chamber of Commerce types should not be anywhere near education.

 

abbott laughs in your face and runs over your foot ....

 

 

AUSTIN, Texas — The gubernatorial appointed boards that oversee Texas universities soon could have new powers to control the curriculum required of students and eliminate degree programs.

 

 

The legislation sent Monday to Texas Gov. Greg Abbott marks the latest effort among Republican-led states to reshape higher education institutions that they assert have been promoting liberal ideology. It follows similar moves in Florida and Ohio.

 

 

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A little more context in the IU situation: https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2025/07/01/indiana-university-to-discontinue-more-than-100-academic-programs/
 

Spoiler

One of the budget bill’s provisions — inserted by the Republican majority as the legislative session reached its final hours — established a minimum average number of graduates that degree programs at Indiana’s public colleges and universities must produce over a three-year period.

If that number falls below 10 students in an associate degree program, 15 students in a BA program, seven students in master’s degree program, and three students in a doctorate degree program, the institution would have to request permission from the Indiana Commission for Higher Education to continue offering the program.


Reading between the lines (maybe too much), these are probably smaller, less popular degrees that are probably mostly being shuffled into other programs to boost and consolidate numbers. I know that’s what I’d do in this situation.

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8 minutes ago, Mole said:

A little more context in the IU situation: https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2025/07/01/indiana-university-to-discontinue-more-than-100-academic-programs/
 

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One of the budget bill’s provisions — inserted by the Republican majority as the legislative session reached its final hours — established a minimum average number of graduates that degree programs at Indiana’s public colleges and universities must produce over a three-year period.

If that number falls below 10 students in an associate degree program, 15 students in a BA program, seven students in master’s degree program, and three students in a doctorate degree program, the institution would have to request permission from the Indiana Commission for Higher Education to continue offering the program.


Reading between the lines (maybe too much), these are probably smaller, less popular degrees that are probably mostly being shuffled into other programs to boost and consolidate numbers. I know that’s what I’d do in this situation.

 

If Indiana had poor leadership (which as a current administrator in higher ed, I’ve seen more poor leaders than I’ve cared to) and they weren’t doing appropriate program reviews every 3-5 years, then Indiana isn’t has good of a university as I thought it was. 

 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/us/trump-education-funds.html

 

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The Trump administration has declined to release nearly $7 billion in federal funding that helps pay for after-school and summer programs, support for students learning English, teacher training and other services.

The money was expected to be released by Tuesday. But in an email on Monday, the Education Department notified state education agencies that the money would not be available.

 

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The administration offered little explanation, saying only that the funds were under review. It gave no timeline for when, or if, the money would be released, saying instead that it was “committed to ensuring taxpayer resources are spent in accordance with the president’s priorities.” The frozen funds are unrelated to the millions of dollars in cuts included in the domestic policy bill that squeaked through the Senate on Tuesday.

 

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“It’s catastrophic,” said Jodi Grant, executive director of the Afterschool Alliance, a group that works to expand after-school services for students. She estimated that the federal dollars for after-school and summer-school programs — about $1.3 billion annually — support 1.4 million students, mostly lower income, representing about 20 percent of all students in after-school programs nationally.

 

 

Spoiler

The move is likely to be challenged in court and has already been criticized as illegal by Democrats and teachers’ unions, who emphasized that the money had been appropriated by Congress and was approved by President Trump in March as part of a broader funding bill.

“This is lawless,” said Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers.

The administration has taken an aggressive approach to cutting back the federal government’s role in education, including plans to eliminate the Education Department entirely. Though only Congress can abolish the department, the Trump administration has taken an ax to education staffing and funding more broadly as it seeks to whittle down the department.

The administration has suggested that it may seek to eliminate the nearly $7 billion in frozen funding. Russell Vought, the director of the White House Office of Management and Budget, said during a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing last week that the administration was considering ways to claw back the funding through a process known as recessions. The administration would formally ask lawmakers to claw back a set of funds it has targeted for cuts. Even if Congress fails to vote on the request, the president’s timing would trigger a law that freezes the money until it ultimately expires.

“No decision has been made,” Mr. Vought said. 

The withholding of dollars on Tuesday threw school district budgets into uncertainty, with only weeks to go before the start of school in many parts of the country.

Heidi Sipe, the superintendent in Umatilla, Ore., a low-income, rural district, said her district’s after-school program has traditionally gone until 4:45 or 5:30 p.m. and was fully funded through federal dollars.

She recently sent a note to parents urging them to make backup plans, though few exist in her community, where she said there is no Y.M.C.A. or similar alternatives.

In Omaha, Nicole Everingham, who helps manage after-school funding for programs at 42 public schools, said a loss of funding would force her group to consolidate the number of schools that can offer after-school care, and also mean fewer slots for students, because of staffing reductions.

“It completely puts us in flux,” said Ms. Everingham, the development director for Collective for Youth, which helps coordinate after-school programming for about half of Omaha public schools.

Even if the money comes through after a delay, she said, it could disrupt the ability to hire staff by the start of school in mid-August, creating chaos for working parents who depend on after-school programs.

Many school districts also rely on federal dollars to help non-English-speaking students and families, including training teachers and hiring translators.

“Without this outreach, families who do not speak English could be cut off from schools and the support system they need,” said Ana DeGenna, the school district superintendent in Oxnard, Calif.

Several of the federally funded programs have been in place for decades. The 21st Century Community Learning Centers, which support before- and after-school programs, were created in 1994 by federal legislation, and expanded six years later with the passage of the No Child Left Behind Act. Both measures, the first passed during a Democratic administration and the second under a Republican president, were approved by broad bipartisan majorities.

One of the newest programs, known as Student Support and Academic Enrichment grants, has been in place for a decade, supporting many services for issues like mental health and school technology. That law that authorized those grants received broad bipartisan support, including from Representative Tim Walberg of Michigan and Senator Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, both Republicans who are now chairmen of the education committees in their respective chambers.

But criticism about cutting funding for these programs has largely been limited to Democrats.

“Every day that this funding is held up is a day that school districts are forced to worry about whether they’ll have to cut back on after-school programs or lay off teachers instead of worrying about how to make sure our kids can succeed,” Senator Patty Murray, a Democrat who is the vice chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, said in a statement.

 

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5 hours ago, Pancho said:

 

If Indiana had poor leadership (which as a current administrator in higher ed, I’ve seen more poor leaders than I’ve cared to) and they weren’t doing appropriate program reviews every 3-5 years, then Indiana isn’t has good of a university as I thought it was. 

 

It is my vibe that the higher ed management pipeline is as dog shit and reliant on consulting as every other management pipeline that I've come across. Just there to make a splash and leave before everyone gets wet kind of thing.

Am I off base? I feel like everything is boiling down to profit and loss, even education and civic services

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3 hours ago, Captainant said:

It is my vibe that the higher ed management pipeline is as dog shit and reliant on consulting as every other management pipeline that I've come across. Just there to make a splash and leave before everyone gets wet kind of thing.

Am I off base? I feel like everything is boiling down to profit and loss, even education and civic services

This is true from my experience... Especially when universities want to save money by cutting staff and reducing headcount and then bringing in consultants as defensible one time expenditures.

My uni has lost 35% of personnel in some areas but has hired (by my count) 12 different consultants or outside firms to sell us their bullshit ideas and leave with us not having any folks to do the regular work let alone any new initiative or manage the transition to a new paradigm. 

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