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16 hours ago, Gidnik said:

not everything has to be complicated. the reason the game was close was because we couldnt run the fucking ball.  theres nothing else that needs to be added.  

Football is complicated. There is so much nuance to the game, that's what makes it the best sport in the world. If you don't want to participate in detailed discussions, that's your prerogative. But please don't talk down to people because you're not willing to go deeper.  

We didn't really run the ball well vs. Michigan. Take out Wingo's 55 yard end around, and our leading rusher was 36 yards from Gibson on 10 carries.  Running was effective enough, but what made our offense click was Quinn's efficiency and getting RZ TDs. 

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Longhornlove said:

I understand people don't want to believe someone with Campbells talent and size can let a play like this happen but it did and it is embarrassing.

I know the play you’re talking about. Dorbah shot the gap from depth and drove his inside shoulder into Campbell. Goosby could have helped him with a quick shove back inside, but he’s inexperienced and just trying to figure out wtf is going on. 
Dorbah’s momentum and impact were likely greater than Campbell’s at that point, so he lost the edge. It’s not just as simple as being athletic and heavy. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

So Dorbah did shoot the gap and went under Goosby. 

JFC dude, he didn't shoot the fucking gap. Can you read, do your eyes work? Campbell should wash him out of the fucking play. The play is designed to go right up Jake Majors ass. It didn't work because Conner got pushed into the play and Campbell couldn't move a 240#  weak side DE off his spot.  Our offensive line was ass in the run game, stats prove that, not sure how what I am posting is being contested. Go watch the clip yourself. A shitty DE who couldn't get on the field for us just abused our former 5 star right Guard.

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Posted
32 minutes ago, Atticus said:

I know the play you’re talking about. Dorbah shot the gap from depth and drove his inside shoulder into Campbell. Goosby could have helped him with a quick shove back inside, but he’s inexperienced and just trying to figure out wtf is going on. 
Dorbah’s momentum and impact were likely greater than Campbell’s at that point, so he lost the edge. It’s not just as simple as being athletic and heavy. 

Exactly. ASU had us scouted like Georgia did. They were able to defeat our blocking schemes because of how well they were prepared to do it. Sark & Co. need to figure out a counter to this.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Longhornlove said:

JFC dude, he didn't shoot the fucking gap. Can you read, do your eyes work? Campbell should wash him out of the fucking play. The play is designed to go right up Jake Majors ass. It didn't work because Conner got pushed into the play and Campbell couldn't move a 240#  weak side DE off his spot.  Our offensive line was ass in the run game, stats prove that, not sure how what I am posting is being contested. Go watch the clip yourself. A shitty DE who couldn't get on the field for us just abused our former 5 star right Guard.

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

So Dorbah did shoot the gap and went under Goosby. 

 

1 hour ago, Longhornlove said:

JFC dude, he didn't shoot the fucking gap. Can you read, do your eyes work? Campbell should wash him out of the fucking play. The play is designed to go right up Jake Majors ass. It didn't work because Conner got pushed into the play and Campbell couldn't move a 240#  weak side DE off his spot.  Our offensive line was ass in the run game, stats prove that, not sure how what I am posting is being contested. Go watch the clip yourself. A shitty DE who couldn't get on the field for us just abused our former 5 star right Guard.

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I think Goosby is supposed to double momentarily to help DJ secure his block and climb to the second level looking for work. What @Longhornlove is saying is Goosby doesn't do his job, but even still Campbell should be able to kick the block out and allow Wisner to hit the playside A-gap. Campbell struggles to move Dorbah at all with almost a 100lb advantage on him. If y'all are watching the running game there are three main culprits to our running game struggles as far as the line goes. Majors can't move people. Conner LOSES strength battles. Campbell lacks effort. That's why we can't run IZ or gap schemes vs most folks. Our skill position players aren't good blockers either. Last year's bunch were much better and therefore we were much more flexible. Longhornlove if you know the timestamp on this screen shot I can pull the clip for you later.

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Posted
1 hour ago, sith_horn said:

Exactly. ASU had us scouted like Georgia did. They were able to defeat our blocking schemes because of how well they were prepared to do it. Sark & Co. need to figure out a counter to this.

What you did there, I see it. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

 

I think Goosby is supposed to double momentarily to help DJ secure his block and climb to the second level looking for work. What @Longhornlove is saying is Goosby doesn't do his job, but even still Campbell should be able to kick the block out and allow Wisner to hit the playside A-gap. Campbell struggles to move Dorbah at all with almost a 100lb advantage on him. If y'all are watching the running game there are three main culprits to our running game struggles as far as the line goes. Majors can't move people. Conner LOSES strength battles. Campbell lacks effort. That's why we can't run IZ or gap schemes vs most folks. Our skill position players aren't good blockers either. Last year's bunch were much better and therefore we were much more flexible. Longhornlove if you know the timestamp on this screen shot I can pull the clip for you later.

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Posted
3 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Hell, he was there so early if he’d have tried I think he could have tackled him before he got the punt off. 

What he should have done. Him trying to stop or whatever he did caused the kicker to be able to get the kick off 

Posted
6 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

It wasn't speed, I will try to find and make a clip. He put his shoulder into Campbell, stopped him and moved upfield. He set the edge like a strong side DE should. Problem is he shouldn't be physically capable of doing that against Campbell. Below is a screenshot earlier in the play for reference. 74 did get his hands on him and he wasn't shooting a gap or perpendicular to Campbell, he just beat him.

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@Longhornlove

 

 

 

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Posted
8 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Can someone give me a good reason for Helm not being involved until late in the game? I have a hard time believing Sark can't scheme plays for him.  Felt like this happened in 2nd UGA game as well. 

 

 

 

asu had him covered up ?

Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

You think DJ Cambell not being able to move a 240 lb prince Dorbah off his spot has anything to do with game plan? These are the things I saw in the game. He has that dude by a hundred pounds and got completely stonewalled in OT. That should have been a 6-7 yard gain at minimum that we lost yards on eventually leading to 4th and 13. I agree, Quinn is better when we spread people out and let Quinn sling it. He is comfortable doing that. It wasn't ASUs game plan that stoned our run game as much as just getting whipped at the point of attack. That is the embarrassing part. Sark waited until the last moment to just abandon the run. It worked. Exhilarating game that resembled a roller coaster.

I think its funny that people who have come in here to ridicule Quinn Ewers are now calling for the offense to move to a spread offense throwing the ball all over the yard. Sounds like the complaining should have been focused on something other than Quinn to begin with.

I was probably one of the loudest this weekend saying air it out. I’m not in the “it’s all QE’s fault” camp.  He has his deficiencies and has been a disappointment in terms of improvement soph to junior years but I think he’s more than capable of winning the whole thing. My biggest problems are play design and play calling. After that it’s execution and QE is a major part of that but so is shitty WR blocking at times and lazy routes, backs not picking up the blitz, self sacking, tipped balls, poor footwork, penalties and more. But QE is more than good enough to hoist the NC trophy. 

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Posted
7 hours ago, Had Enough said:

There’s a hole for Wisner to cut up inside Campbell.  The biggest impediment on that run was from the backside.

It's both. Conner loses man battles consistently. Doesn't really matter who we play. If that dude is tasked with a 1v1 he will lose. Prince fires through the playside B-gap, but Campbell has the strength to wash him down and open up a huge hole in the A. We've seen him do this before but sometimes he is fucking around and not playing with full effort. This is one of those times. He is the old "Alfred Collins" of the O-line.

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7 hours ago, troph said:

I was probably one of the loudest this weekend saying air it out. I’m not in the “it’s all QE’s fault” camp.  He has his deficiencies and has been a disappointment in terms of improvement soph to junior years but I think he’s more than capable of winning the whole thing. My biggest problems are play design and play calling. After that it’s execution and QE is a major part of that but so is shitty WR blocking at times and lazy routes, backs not picking up the blitz, self sacking, tipped balls, poor footwork, penalties and more. But QE is more than good enough to hoist the NC trophy. 

The move Golden put on the secondary to create space on the 4th and 13 throw cannot be commended enough. Most of the receivers we have run lazy routes. Bond is one of those. We've had a couple interceptions where if you had switched him with Golden they wouldn't have happened. Bond also doesn't block either. Bond is the kind of player that would post in this thread. Lol

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Posted
2 hours ago, Thatguy said:

The move Golden put on the secondary to create space on the 4th and 13 throw cannot be commended enough. Most of the receivers we have run lazy routes. Bond is one of those. We've had a couple interceptions where if you had switched him with Golden they wouldn't have happened. Bond also doesn't block either. Bond is the kind of player that would post in this thread. Lol

Early season Bond ran great routes. I don't think he is lazy. I think he can't cut due to injury. 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

It's both. Conner loses man battles consistently. Doesn't really matter who we play. If that dude is tasked with a 1v1 he will lose. Prince fires through the playside B-gap, but Campbell has the strength to wash him down and open up a huge hole in the A. We've seen him do this before but sometimes he is fucking around and not playing with full effort. This is one of those times. He is the old "Alfred Collins" of the O-line.

The play is fucked, because the OL failed to handle the movement. Dorbah slants and shoots the gap. He beats Campbell to the spot. Campbell feet are behind him. He ends up knocking him down and moving him out, but he cannot stop the penetration. This screwed for 2 reasons. Goosby doesnt even put a hand on Dorbah and Campbell makes a bad first step (he stepping straight forward on a 45 degree angle). The DTs are running a stunt. Conner has a good step and walls off the slanting DT. He cant stop the penetration. That also knocks Banks off. He has no chance to get the looping DT, who makes the tackle. Majors whiffs on the ILB, he is there to make tackle if the DT does not. This is great example of how the OL was not prepared to handle movement up front from the ASU dline. This is was a technique and communication issue.

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Posted
3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

It's both. Conner loses man battles consistently. Doesn't really matter who we play. If that dude is tasked with a 1v1 he will lose. Prince fires through the playside B-gap, but Campbell has the strength to wash him down and open up a huge hole in the A. We've seen him do this before but sometimes he is fucking around and not playing with full effort. This is one of those times. He is the old "Alfred Collins" of the O-line.

Conner fucking sucks, we all know it but coaches value his pass pro.

 

He's played two really good games this year and that's it, Michigan and A&M. We'll need him to step up these next two games.

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Posted
13 hours ago, Thatguy said:

7 guys to block 6 in the box and I'm not sure anyone gets their block other. Quinn this, Quinn that, if you can't block ASU 7 v. 6 then your OL sucks. That's just an example of one play so maybe they don't ALL look that bad, but considering our rushing numbers I'd have to imagine this was one of the most embarrassing OL performances of the year given the opponent. That was a complete abortion of a game from them on the running side. At least they pulled their heads out of their asses long enough for Quinn to save the season.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, hook me said:

7 guys to block 6 in the box and I'm not sure anyone gets their block other. Quinn this, Quinn that, if you can't block ASU 7 v. 6 then your OL sucks. That's just an example of one play so maybe they don't ALL look that bad, but considering our rushing numbers I'd have to imagine this was one of the most embarrassing OL performances of the year given the opponent. That was a complete abortion of a game from them on the running side. At least they pulled their heads out of their asses long enough for Quinn to save the season.

Guys are hash. If was a poor game. From what I saw I put more of that in the feet of Sark and Flood for not having them prepared, but the OL has been nails in pass pro. Big reason for Quinn's success the last 2 games is he has had excellent protection.

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Posted
1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Conner fucking sucks, we all know it but coaches value his pass pro.

 

He's played two really good games this year and that's it, Michigan and A&M. We'll need him to step up these next two games.

Pass pro he's been solid. I have a theory about our line and that they are relatively good against size just not quickness. Our d line was the same.

Posted
40 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Guys are hash. If was a poor game. From what I saw I put more of that in the feet of Sark and Flood for not having them prepared, but the OL has been nails in pass pro. Big reason for Quinn's success the last 2 games is he has had excellent protection.

The normal poster reading our OL was asstastic & had an embarrassing game would naturally assume the blame can and should be shared with the coaches in their charge. That doesn't negate the fact that the players also got their asses whipped up and down the field in the run game. Hopefully they were just overlooking ASU and now that every has been saying how bad they suck they'll come out and have their best game of the season against OSU.

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Posted
23 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Pass pro he's been solid. I have a theory about our line and that they are relatively good against size just not quickness. Our d line was the same.

Its a bit of an odd match. "Big Humans, Big Humans!!" lets makes OZ the core concept. So the OL is big, but wants to block horizontally. That has oddly been the staple, because of the interior OL (mostly Conner and Majors). The OTs can straight up mash people downhill.

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Posted
1 minute ago, hook me said:

The normal poster reading our OL was asstastic & had an embarrassing game would naturally assume the blame can and should be shared with the coaches in their charge. That doesn't negate the fact that the players also got their asses whipped up and down the field in the run game. Hopefully they were just overlooking ASU and now that every has been saying how bad they suck they'll come out and have their best game of the season against OSU.

that seems to be the way of the 2024 Texas offense. When you give up on something, it comes back and makes you look stupid. When you believe, they come out and kick you in the nuts. Though I doubt that happens vs OSU. This is probably the best defense Texas has played. Their edges are very good.

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I'm dumbfounded, we've run the ball pretty well against everyone not named Georgia and WTF ASU? I'm really struggling to comprehend it. I get Georgia. Don't like it but I get it. ASU still baffles me. Hopefully they got that out of their system.

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4 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

I'm dumbfounded, we've run the ball pretty well against everyone not named Georgia and WTF ASU? I'm really struggling to comprehend it. I get Georgia. Don't like it but I get it. ASU still baffles me. Hopefully they got that out of their system.

The two teams that decided to shoot through gaps and disrupt OZ. 

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

I'm dumbfounded, we've run the ball pretty well against everyone not named Georgia and WTF ASU? I'm really struggling to comprehend it. I get Georgia. Don't like it but I get it. ASU still baffles me. Hopefully they got that out of their system.

Add Michigan to that list.  Wingo's 55 yard end around inflated the stats. The running game was effective enough, but we didn't run it particularly well. 

 

Posted
19 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

It’s a bit of an odd match. "Big Humans, Big Humans!!" lets makes OZ the core concept. So the OL is big, but wants to block horizontally. That has oddly been the staple, because of the interior OL (mostly Conner and Majors). The OTs can straight up mash people downhill.

I think OZ zone was chosen to fit what’s left in the RB room. We started the year with IZ as the base. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The two teams that decided to shoot through gaps and disrupt OZ. 

I didn't see people shooting a bunch of gaps, I saw a lot of slants. I haven't seen any analysis online showing how that was the Strat. If you have people shooting gaps, there is usually a risk, reward because it can cause gaping holes. That sure as hell wasn't the case. they strung everything out, filled gaps, tackled well and won a ton of 1v1 assignments.

 

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Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, Longhornlove said:

I didn't see people shooting a bunch of gaps, I saw a lot of slants. I haven't seen any analysis online showing how that was the Strat. If you have people shooting gaps, there is usually a risk, reward because it can cause gaping holes. That sure as hell wasn't the case. they strung everything out, filled gaps, tackled well and won a ton of 1v1 assignments.

 

slants/shooting, whatever term you feel like using but they were beating the fuck outta our guys to positions and blowing our OZ up. ASU and Georgia both took the risk because the reward pays off. If we break off the big runs etc then they have to switch it up. We never punished them for it so it is what it is....

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Posted
23 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

I think OZ zone was chosen to fit what’s left in the RB room. We started the year with IZ as the base. 

not to mention Texas ran it with Bijan and that really fit him. You never knew where he would end up. Playside D gap or backside A gap. It will be interesting to see if Texas reverts to the IZ next year.

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Posted
20 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Don’t attack a right footed punter’s left hip- attack the area in front of his right. 

This is what Banks was screaming about.

Posted
2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

No fucking shit. I'm pretty sure you could write that about every single player in college football. 

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

not to mention Texas ran it with Bijan and that really fit him. You never knew where he would end up. Playside D gap or backside A gap. It will be interesting to see if Texas reverts to the IZ next year.

My understanding is that Sark prefers IZ as the better RPO setup.

I think he also prefers a bigger back, so....

Posted

Quinn's Resume Pre Cotton Bowl

1 Big 12 Championship

1 Sec Championship Appearance (Bert owes him for this one)

Wins @ Michigan and Alabama 

27-8 Record

Top 3 in TDs and yards in Texas History

2 Top 4 finishes guaranteed

2-1 vs Oklahoma 

 

If Texas were to go runner runner and win a championship he would add the following. 

1 National Championship. The 5th QB is team history to achieve this

4 playoff wins. This will hopefully be passed by a future Texas QB

Wins against Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, and Oklahoma with a chance of Notre Dame. Not sure how many if any QBs could claim wins over 5/8 of the blue bloods. 

 

Where would a championship put him? My gut would say a soft #2 but it would likely appreciate very well over the next decade. 

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𝐁𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐊𝐈𝐍𝐆 𝐑𝐔𝐌𝐎𝐑:
There has been "whispers" around the internet that too many twitxers skipped middle school English class.

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Posted
28 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Where would a championship put him? My gut would say a soft #2 but it would likely appreciate very well over the next decade. 

Winning a championship makes Quinn #2 behind VY. Even if you think Colt was a better QB or Colt would have won in 2009 or would have had more chances to win with the CFP, Quinn has to be #2 with a championship. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Winning a championship makes Quinn #2 behind VY. Even if you think Colt was a better QB or Colt would have won in 2009 or would have had more chances to win with the CFP, Quinn has to be #2 with a championship. 

Where is Street on the list?

 

 

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Posted
30 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Where would a championship put him? My gut would say a soft #2 but it would likely appreciate very well over the next decade. 

Quinn needs to play well above his norm the next two games to win a title.  But to engage in the hypothetical and the QB debate, I assume your #2 ranking bumps him in front of Colt, and behind Vince.  So between Colt and Quinn, it really depends on how much weight someone in this debate puts on a championship.

Even if Quinn plays like Superman over the next two games, it's going to be hard for me to put him in front of Colt.  Yes, Colt has no titles, and Quinn would have one.  But Colt's overall body of work as a QB is much better than Quinn's.  We won a lot of games because of Colt.  We also won a few games in spite of Quinn.    

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Posted
2 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

I'm dumbfounded, we've run the ball pretty well against everyone not named Georgia and WTF ASU? I'm really struggling to comprehend it. I get Georgia. Don't like it but I get it. ASU still baffles me. Hopefully they got that out of their system.

I chopped up quite a few running plays and it's pretty interesting what is going on when you go through them. We should probably not do it here though as this is the QE thread. Too much sense being made around here lately and not enough arguing.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

𝐁𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐊𝐈𝐍𝐆 𝐑𝐔𝐌𝐎𝐑:
There has been "whispers" around the league that message board shitposter Bozo_Casanova would consider entering the NFL Draft if he was "certain" he would be a top 3 pick.

TBH I’d go if I was top 10

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I chopped up quite a few running plays and it's pretty interesting what is going on when you go through them. We should probably not do it here though as this is the QE thread. Too much sense being made around here lately and not enough arguing.

 

Posted
54 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Basically will Levi’s redux

Speaking of Will Levis, I have a hard time believing Quinn doesn’t get drafted in the first round when he did. Yes Levis has big arm, but Quinn is no slouch. Levis was 6’4” 229 at the combine. Quinn listed at 6’2” 210. So Levis does have him there. 
 

Levis career stats 

65% comp 5877yds 46TD 25INT

7.96 ypa 

his last season 

65% comp 2406yds 19TD 10INT

8.5 ypa

Quinn career stats

65% comp 8845yds 66TD 23INT

8.07 ypa

 

this season

66.5% comp 3189yds 29TD 11INT

7.85 ypa


I just don’t see how there aren’t some NFL coaches that see Quinn’s passing attributes and think they can polish up his decision making and his deep ball accuracy. 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, South Austin said:

Quinn needs to play well above his norm the next two games to win a title.  But to engage in the hypothetical and the QB debate, I assume your #2 ranking bumps him in front of Colt, and behind Vince.  So between Colt and Quinn, it really depends on how much weight someone in this debate puts on a championship.

Even if Quinn plays like Superman over the next two games, it's going to be hard for me to put him in front of Colt.  Yes, Colt has no titles, and Quinn would have one.  But Colt's overall body of work as a QB is much better than Quinn's.  We won a lot of games because of Colt.  We also won a few games in spite of Quinn.    

Let me give you a little insight into why Quinn seems to eat against stronger opponents such as Michigan, Bama, etc. 

Most teams that play Texas say.. "Fuck this, we need to keep everything in front of us." So Quinn has played against the three high safety look the majority of his career in Austin. Certainly the B12, but teams did it a bunch against us this year as well. However, when you find teams that say "We are good enough to guard them, we will play them in single or two high looks", then Quinn suddenly goes off. He is hitting worthy for moonshots all day against Bama, he is torching Michigan's secondary, etc.  When Quinn wasn't running for his life against Georgia, he started putting together some nice downfield throws. He has been far more accurate the last three games down the field and outside of the numbers. Now he just needs to not float the ball and we could see a true offensive explosion. 

I predict that he is going to hit some big plays down the field versus tOSU. Knowles is one of the better 3 high defensive coordinators out there, but he doesn't run that concept all the time because they have the athletes to cover in man. Once they go man, I expect Quinn to carve them up. When they roll back into a 3 high look, I expect us to try and run the ball with the wide zone. If Quinn breaks 300 yards against tOSU, I think we win that game. 

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