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3 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

hopefully we'll get to see what a POTUS in prison looks like. that would be hilarious.

He was just acquitted last night by the American electorate, who rejected these ridiculous political legal maneuvers. 

You come at the king, you best not miss.

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chirp chirp crickets crickets

I told you what was going to happen and yall ignoring this is the exact reason he was elected. You pretend to be in bubble where you suck each other off and are obvious to Americans.

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Wow, I was very wrong.

White privilege sure did bite me in the ass.

I had no idea brown people were so racist, nor the devastation that inflation inflicted on average people, nor that misogyny was alive and well.

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The shift from progressive (FDR) economic messaging to Thatcher/Reagan austerity helped usher in a Republican House in 2022 and a dismal Red Tide in 2024.

Courting Republicans doesn’t work. Punching down does not work. FDR economic policy may be distasteful for Establishment Dems to embrace. But austerity is a losing hand for Democrats. 

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4 hours ago, BearSchlong said:

Wow, I was very wrong.

White privilege sure did bite me in the ass.

I had no idea brown people were so racist, nor the devastation that inflation inflicted on average people, nor that misogyny was alive and well.

people arent racist, youre just a loser and this is how you sleep at night. you drunk.

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The US economy is in good shape overall. But austerity dramatically impacted those less well off. Trump capitalized on those impacted by Biden/Harris austerity. 
 

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So, given the Congress that Biden had starting in 2022, what exactly could have been done?

Further, I believe a lot of these programs were forced to end becuase of lawsuits, etc...

Laying all the blame on the Biden and Harris is disingenuous.

Also, if Biden were to try to use his executive order power, more than often than not, it would be blocked by useful idiot state AGs like Paxton, or the idiots in Oklahome or Missouri. 

So, given all those factors, what do you suggest be done?

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Election was stolen. I drove down my street and only 1 Trump sign. More Harris signs. Rigged.

People are saying the Russians invaded and voted using Elon’s starlink machines.

Trump faked the assassination. It’s why the gun he used was so wrong. And the other guy wasn’t an assassin, he was just a tourist.

Rigged. I demand a recount, and only I get to choose who is qualified to recount the votes.

(Am I doing this right?)

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There’s plenty of blame to go around.

First and foremost— Biden not making plans to step aside starting in 2022. He ran on being a one term president and he reneged on that idea. Whether it was arrogance, hubris, naivete or a combination of all three, this was the first major blunder that led to last night. 

Next, when it was obvious that Biden wasn’t up to task anymore, the rushed coronation of Kamala without the slightest amount of public discourse probably left a bad taste in the mouths of many Dems (and potentially independents). I get that a quick decision had to be made, so this is collateral damage to Biden not stepping aside sooner. 

I get that she’s the sitting VP and has impressive credentials, but she was one of the earliest dem primary candidates eliminated in 2020. She was extremely unpopular, so I’ll always question why they went to her with other options on the table like Shapiro and Beshear. Both are very well liked in their states and neither can be painted as a “coastal elite” like Kamala.  Again, if Biden had stepped aside sooner and there was a true primary earlier this year I think either of them would have blown Kamala out of the water during that process. 

Once Kamala was announced, not naming Shapiro or Beshear as VP was probably the second biggest blunder behind Biden not stepping aside. With Shapiro you lock down Pennsylvania in the must-win state for both candidates. I get that Walz is folksy and is popular, but when you see him on tv he doesn’t scream “National candidate”. Governor/congress, I totally get it. 

But the real nail in the coffin was not distancing herself from Biden once she started out on the trail. I get that she was not trying to shit on her boss and as VP it wasn’t her agenda, but the writing was on the wall that the electorate was not happy and she needed to show how she was going to be an agent of change. And she never did and she was blown out last night as a result. I think she had a good economic policy, but she was totally ineffective with her messaging strategy. 
 

Posted
6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Bill Clinton made it OK for Democrats to disregard poor people.

And then have his walking corpse show up 20 years later to claim poor people deserve it. (I know he was talking about Gazans still)

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9 minutes ago, Yev Kassem said:

There’s plenty of blame to go around.

First and foremost— Biden not making plans to step aside starting in 2022. He ran on being a one term president and he reneged on that idea. Whether it was arrogance, hubris, naivete or a combination of all three, this was the first major blunder that led to last night. 

Next, when it was obvious that Biden wasn’t up to task anymore, the rushed coronation of Kamala without the slightest amount of public discourse probably left a bad taste in the mouths of many Dems (and potentially independents). I get that a quick decision had to be made, so this is collateral damage to Biden not stepping aside sooner. 

I get that she’s the sitting VP and has impressive credentials, but she was one of the earliest dem primary candidates eliminated in 2020. She was extremely unpopular, so I’ll always question why they went to her with other options on the table like Shapiro and Beshear. Both are very well liked in their states and neither can be painted as a “coastal elite” like Kamala.  Again, if Biden had stepped aside sooner and there was a true primary earlier this year I think either of them would have blown Kamala out of the water during that process. 

Once Kamala was announced, not naming Shapiro or Beshear as VP was probably the second biggest blunder behind Biden not stepping aside. With Shapiro you lock down Pennsylvania in the must-win state for both candidates. I get that Walz is folksy and is popular, but when you see him on tv he doesn’t scream “National candidate”. Governor/congress, I totally get it. 

But the real nail in the coffin was not distancing herself from Biden once she started out on the trail. I get that she was not trying to shit on her boss and as VP it wasn’t her agenda, but the writing was on the wall that the electorate was not happy and she needed to show how she was going to be an agent of change. And she never did and she was blown out last night as a result. I think she had a good economic policy, but she was totally ineffective with her messaging strategy. 
 

She lost Wiscy and Michigan, picking Shapiro and saving Penn is a woopsy fucking do, I do agree that Biden wanting us to return to normalcy was a gicantic red flag we all saw comming, the new normal is rage, not civility, logic, or good governance tradition. Should have been working 24/7 to prevent what just happened right now, never ending handouts last year when inflation was dying would have helped, but he thought a graph number was more relevant than disposable income to pay for food. 

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43 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

So, given the Congress that Biden had starting in 2022, what exactly could have been done?

Further, I believe a lot of these programs were forced to end becuase of lawsuits, etc...

Laying all the blame on the Biden and Harris is disingenuous.

Also, if Biden were to try to use his executive order power, more than often than not, it would be blocked by useful idiot state AGs like Paxton, or the idiots in Oklahome or Missouri. 

So, given all those factors, what do you suggest be done?

Keep doing it, it is more about the news than about the money, make stunts like handing them out in DC and telling them to hurry before Republicans steal their money. So many creative ways to do this and it boggles the mind that only student loan forgiveness was tried twice.

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13 minutes ago, Yev Kassem said:

 But the real nail in the coffin was not distancing herself from Biden once she started out on the trail. I get that she was not trying to shit on her boss and as VP it wasn’t her agenda, but the writing was on the wall that the electorate was not happy and she needed to show how she was going to be an agent of change. And she never did and she was blown out last night as a result. I think she had a good economic policy, but she was totally ineffective with her messaging strategy. 
 

I don't really get this take.  If you look at who delivered the fatal blow to Harris in the decisive states, it was people who were NEVER going to vote for her no matter how she campaigned.  Her goose was cooked by her gender as unfair as it is.

Unless you think doing so would have juiced turnout for her, but how much juice was left to squeeze there?

If there are free and fair presidential elections in 28 I'm pretty sure Trump will do a fine enough hatchet job on the economy to hand the presidency to the democratic nominee, if it's a white male from the heartland.  We will have to endure a lot of pain in the interim.

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2 minutes ago, linux said:

She lost Wiscy and Michigan, picking Shapiro and saving Penn is a woopsy fucking do, I do agree that Biden wanting us to return to normalcy was a gicantic red flag we all saw comming, the new normal is rage, not civility, logic, or good governance tradition. Should have been working 24/7 to prevent what just happened right now, never ending handouts last year when inflation was dying would have helped, but he thought a graph number was more relevant than disposable income to pay for food. 

I get that, but I think Michigan/Wisconsin are much closer politically to Penn than Minnesota. I think Shapiro might have resonated better with those voters, especially if he had been at the top of the ticket. 

The problem with their economic message is that while the stock market is at an all time high and most all other indicators showed a strong economy most of those working class dem voters likely aren’t playing much in that space. All they saw was that their paychecks weren’t going as far as they used to and they blamed Biden/Kamala.  It was too tough story to overcome. 
 

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2 minutes ago, Yev Kassem said:

I get that, but I think Michigan/Wisconsin are much closer politically to Penn than Minnesota. I think Shapiro might have resonated better with those voters, especially if he had been at the top of the ticket. 

The problem with their economic message is that while the stock market is at an all time high and most all other indicators showed a strong economy most of those working class dem voters likely aren’t playing much in that space. All they saw was that their paychecks weren’t going as far as they used to and they blamed Biden/Kamala.  It was too tough story to overcome. 
 

But handouts would have greatly helped, I get it handouts drive inflation and Trump's handouts did just that, but enough about the number or pleasing wall st, its all irrelevant anyhow free elections are out the door.

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2 minutes ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

I don't really get this take.  If you look at who delivered the fatal blow to Harris in the decisive states, it was people who were NEVER going to vote for her no matter how she campaigned.  Her goose was cooked by her gender as unfair as it is.

Unless you think doing so would have juiced turnout for her, but how much juice was left to squeeze there?

If there are free and fair presidential elections in 28 I'm pretty sure Trump will do a fine enough hatchet job on the economy to hand the presidency to the democratic nominee, if it's a white male from the heartland.  We will have to endure a lot of pain in the interim.

I’m in total agreement with you on her gender being what probably cooked her overall.  That’s why I think Shapiro or Beshear at the top of the ticket kills two birds with one stone. You run a man who wasn’t connected to the current administration who could paint themselves differently. 

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I did really like the idea of Beshear, but he needed a populist message too, it is more than just distancing it should have been distancing and repeating over and over how he was going to help the working class.

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Just now, linux said:

I did really like the idea of Beshear, but he needed a populist message too, it is more than just distancing it should have been distancing and repeating over and over how he was going to help the working class.

Yeah I think Shapiro/Beshear makes a great ticket in 2028. Beshear being a blue gov in a red state is a great message of uniting both parties and how it’s still possible to work across the aisle. 

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1 minute ago, Yev Kassem said:

I’m in total agreement with you on her gender being what probably cooked her overall.  That’s why I think Shapiro or Beshear at the top of the ticket kills two birds with one stone. You run a man who wasn’t connected to the current administration who could paint themselves differently. 

In post-mortem I agree to that.  Beforehand, I was of the opinion that Beshear was woefully unqualified as a Democratic red state governor because he really is only that because of his dad and name recognition.  But I think I know now that the resume doesn't really matter to the decisive slice of the electorate.  Beshear probably would have beat Trump.  Agree 100% with your position.

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Right around Biden resigned almost no straight white men were considered though, It was Whitmore, Kamala, Pete, the identiy polititcs group was salivating about an all woman ticket as well, just fucking end me now! fuck.

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Maybe I'm also cynical in the aftermath, but I'm thinking that the campaign doesn't even matter anymore.  Just pick the right candidate in the primary for general election purposes.  Resume and credentials don't matter, male-ness, heartland or heartland adjacent, and white-ness, white-ness flexible in case of a powerful brilliant communicator, i.e. Wes Moore.

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Just now, Old Freak Nasty said:

Maybe I'm also cynical in the aftermath, but I'm thinking that the campaign doesn't even matter anymore.  Just pick the right candidate in the primary for general election purposes.  Resume and credentials don't matter, male-ness, heartland or heartland adjacent, and white-ness, white-ness flexible in case of a powerful brilliant communicator, i.e. Wes Moore.

Dumb down your messages to the populace. Nobody gives a shit about detailed policy in the populace especially in debates. Reel in your legacy media to drive your dumbed down message home and your attacks on the opponent. Quit trying to be fair and partial to both candidates and just be straight up attack mode. 

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At this point yes all there is is who can scream louder, we have the so called establishment group, the media, Goldman Sachs etc but they are told to fall in line because they don't fucking vote, its either him or trump, That said I don't know why I am wasting my time over something that will never happen again, free and fair elections.

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16 minutes ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

Maybe I'm also cynical in the aftermath, but I'm thinking that the campaign doesn't even matter anymore.  Just pick the right candidate in the primary for general election purposes.  Resume and credentials don't matter, male-ness, heartland or heartland adjacent, and white-ness, white-ness flexible in case of a powerful brilliant communicator, i.e. Wes Moore.

Totally agree. I think in 28 we have three great potential candidates in Shapiro/Beshear/Moore and then either one of them as VP or even Whitmer if any of those three need help drawing in women. 

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54 minutes ago, Yev Kassem said:

She was extremely unpopular, so I’ll always question why they went to her with other options on the table like Shapiro and Beshear. Both are very well liked in their states and neither can be painted as a “coastal elite” like Kamala.  

Shapiro is Jewish and from Philadelphia. That’s already too “coastal elite” for the middle america.

 

VP choice was moot in this election and ranks appropriately well below the other mistakes you highlighted.

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3 minutes ago, Texas Flood said:

Shapiro is Jewish and from Philadelphia. That’s already too “coastal elite” for the middle america.

 

VP choice was moot in this election and ranks appropriately well below the other mistakes you highlighted.

He was also way too Jewish for leftists this year.  

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They went with her because she was annoited by Biden,  he wanted to play kingmaker since 2020 and look where that got us, we ignored all the fundamentals (aka racism and misoginy) all because we wanted to make history.... MFer. She recovered most of her popularity but plateud at +1 and fell to -2 on election day. I was tracking this poll so hard because it would ignore LV tea leaf reading.

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6 minutes ago, linux said:

They went with her because she was annoited by Biden,  he wanted to play kingmaker since 2020 and look where that got us, we ignored all the fundamentals (aka racism and misoginy) all because we wanted to make history.... MFer. She recovered most of her popularity but plateud at +1 and fell to -2 on election day. I was tracking this poll so hard because it would ignore LV tea leaf reading.

She was the pick because:

1) connection to incumbency

2) the money already raised was only available to her

3) it was 107 or so days before the election

4) Trump was salivating over Dem disarray if Biden dropped out — Kamala was the only one that took that off table w/o shit-show of mini-primary at the Dem convention, which was like 30 days after Biden dropped

5) anybody with real POTUS ambitions on the Dem side wasn’t going to sign up for the sub-100 day sprint to the finish

 

All in all, she ran a great campaign all things considered. I won’t get into post-mortem theories on what happened. Y’all have done that to death already.

Buckle up — it’s gonna be a bumpy four years starting in Jan. Or Trump’s incompetence and laziness will prevail and Trump 2.0 will be a four-year penalty kill. I just hope he doesn’t destroy America before we re-rack this in 2028.

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We got a black guy named Hussein elected president twice, both times by convincing margins over well-rehearsed, well-known, extremely-experienced white guys. And Hussein did pretty damn well among blue collar white dudes considering he's a black guy named Hussein married to a black woman with broad shoulders and being born in Kenya and having gay sex in a limousine for money or something.

We don't need to lower ourselves profoundly to appeal to the base cretins unworthy of sharing our booth at Chili's; we need someone people like who speaks well about a broader vision of American greatness. Because our ideas are a lot better, a lot kinder, and a lot more full of love for humans, which most people actually like.

We ran Hillary, who a lot of people really liked and a lot of people really really really hated for a very long time, and lost.

We ran Biden, who a lot of people really liked and no one really hated all that much for very long (it doesn't count when its in the throes of the election itself, we always hate the other guy's candidate even if we didn't know them before), and won.

We ran Kamala, who had no base and no voter ID and who no one cared about until it was time to have to care about her (election-time), and lost.

So let's get someone that no one really hates, that at least SOME people really like already, and who presents well.

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Democratic Party today reminds me of the Republican Party after Obama won the first time: completely lost and directionless will no really compelling, winnable POTUS candidates or message.

Well, things change, Dotard came along for the Republicans, changed the game, and here we are today.

Things will change again and the Dems need to find a winning candidate/message to either create the change or take advantage of it. Would be good to start to see something resembling a winning message at the midterms as well. So for now though, I suppose we wait and see.

I’m probably going to sign off of this thread and CR in general for a while. Think it’s better for me to just go focus on the many positive aspects of my life for a bit. I need a break from wallowing in the concern, frustration, annoyance, outrage, whatever you want to call it.

Peace, and keep up the good work.

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2 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Democratic Party today reminds me of the Republican Party after Obama won the first time: completely lost and directionless will no really compelling, winnable POTUS candidates or message.

Well, things change, Dotard came along for the Republicans, changed the game, and here we are today.

Things will change again and the Dems need to find a winning candidate/message to either create the change or take advantage of it. Would be good to start to see something resembling a winning message at the midterms as well. So for now though, I suppose we wait and see.

I’m probably going to sign off of this thread and CR in general for a while. Think it’s better for me to just go focus on the many positive aspects of my life for a bit. I need a break from wallowing in the concern, frustration, annoyance, outrage, whatever you want to call it.

Peace, and keep up the good work.

It changed with a quickness. Democrats got their shit handed to them in the 2010 mid-terms.

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Democratic Party today reminds me of the Republican Party after Obama won the first time: completely lost and directionless will no really compelling, winnable POTUS candidates or message.

Well, things change, Dotard came along for the Republicans, changed the game, and here we are today.

Things will change again and the Dems need to find a winning candidate/message to either create the change or take advantage of it. Would be good to start to see something resembling a winning message at the midterms as well. So for now though, I suppose we wait and see.

I’m probably going to sign off of this thread and CR in general for a while. Think it’s better for me to just go focus on the many positive aspects of my life for a bit. I need a break from wallowing in the concern, frustration, annoyance, outrage, whatever you want to call it.

Peace, and keep up the good work.

Bush launched Dukakis into the sun in 1988 and then four years later lost to Clinton.
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17 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

Courting Republicans doesn’t work.

I said this repeatedly during and after the convention. The working class that flocked to MAGA hates neoconservativism and RINOs. And our solution to court them back was “Hey, what if we told you the neoconservatives are with us now?” 

Bernie or Warren would have been a better candidate. But then they would have turned off all the center-right converts who are now core to the Democratic base. And we can’t have that! 

Turns out relying on old guard Republican refugees hitched to losing ideologies isn’t a winning strategy. If you’re truly the left wing alternative to fascism, how about offering real solutions for the working class and maybe taking a stand against fascist genocide?

But to be honest, the goose is cooked at this point. Trump voters aren’t reluctant and they aren’t rational. It’s a cult full of angry dipshits voting to burn the world down. No amount of best interest policies are going to dissuade the moron mob.

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On 11/5/2024 at 12:07 PM, MissingInAction said:

I was with @Doc Holliday one night when he ordered 20 of those grease pockets. He ate them all.

I am pretty sure the lore has grown to 40 of them in some circles. 

Was one of the nastiest shits the next day with the only worse one being after a crawfish boil, wade boggs level lonestars, and before a shaggyberos softball practice where I nailed a now nurse perfectly in the back of the neck with a line drive after not hitting a DAMN thing prior.  I still feel bad for that hit.  

 

Edit: this is political thread.  I am here to shit on it.  #cheers

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I think the Democratic nominee will need to show some aggression and anger next time.  They will need to show, in simple, simple words, that policies to help the working class have been championed by the Democrats but cannot be implemented because of GQP grandstanding and THAT is who to blame for it.  The GQP has become experts at stonewalling everything Democrats want to do and then hanging the noose around us and getting the masses to believe it's the Democrats fault.

Fuck it, we need a communicator that will come out swinging and bludgeon these fuckers over and over and over and over again with that message.  Tap into the same rage space that's allowed this dipshit to come to office twice.

There's still room to be optimistic and hopeful around it but rage is a core way to connect with the voters you need to persuade.

It's a big ask, but ask for the voters to deliver the presidency, senate, and house so we can actually do something and not just talk the talk.  Normally I don't think that would be possible, but we are all going to be worse off, and the Trump voters especially worse off, after 4 years.  There will be a receptive audience for it in 2028.

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5 minutes ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

I think the Democratic nominee will need to show some aggression and anger next time.  They will need to show, in simple, simple words, that policies to help the working class have been championed by the Democrats but cannot be implemented because of GQP grandstanding and THAT is who to blame for it.  The GQP has become experts at stonewalling everything Democrats want to do and then hanging the noose around us and getting the masses to believe it's the Democrats fault.

Fuck it, we need a communicator that will come out swinging and bludgeon these fuckers over and over and over and over again with that message.  Tap into the same rage space that's allowed this dipshit to come to office twice.

There's still room to be optimistic and hopeful around it but rage is a core way to connect with the voters you need to persuade.

It's a big ask, but ask for the voters to deliver the presidency, senate, and house so we can actually do something and not just talk the talk.  Normally I don't think that would be possible, but we are all going to be worse off, and the Trump voters especially worse off, after 4 years.  There will be a receptive audience for it in 2028.

Now there’s a take. Not enough rage and vitriol from the Democrats this past cycle. 

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